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sunndoggy8
03-26-2002, 03:02 PM
Sorry that this is kind of long, but worth the read.
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Tuesday March 26, 4:09 pm Eastern Time
Reparations sought from U.S. firms for slavery
(UPDATE: Adds further details on lawsuit, class members)

By Christian Wiessner

NEW YORK, March 26 (Reuters) - Three large U.S. companies were named in a lawsuit on Tuesday filed on behalf of black Americans descended from slaves, the first-ever class action seeking reparations from firms for profiting from slavery.

Aetna Inc. (NYSE:AET - news), CSX Corp. (NYSE:CSX - news), and FleetBoston Financial Corp. (NYSE:FBF - news) were named in the lawsuit filed in Brooklyn federal court by 36-year-old black activist Deadria Farmer-Paellmann in the latest step by some blacks to get compensation for what their ancestors suffered as slaves.

``The practice of slavery constituted an 'immoral and inhumane deprivation of Africans' life, liberty, African citizenship rights, cultural heritage' and it further deprived them of the fruits of their own labor,'' the 21-page suit said.

Both Aetna and CSX said slavery was a regrettable chapter in U.S. history but the events in question occurred so long ago that a courtroom was not the proper venue to decide on reparations.

Plaintiff attorneys said 12 other companies would be getting letters in the coming days requesting a dialogue on a settlement. The other companies were not named.

The suit said yet-to-be-named corporate defendants from the industrial, manufacturing, financial and other sectors would be named in subsequent actions once they were identified.

The complaint did not contain a monetary damage figure, but did estimate the current value of slaves' unpaid labor as $1.4 trillion. The gross domestic product of the United States at the end of 2001 was $10.25 trillion.

BANK CONNECTION TO SLAVERY

``This is a case about wealth built on the back and from the sweat of African slaves,'' said plaintiff attorney Roger Wareham at a news conference. ``We expect those companies that are targeted to stand up.''

Advocates of reparations for slavery argue that the descendants of slaves are still being hurt economically and sociologically by their ancestors' bondage. Those who argue against compensation say, among other things, that it happened so long ago that reparations would be punishing people who had nothing to do with the practice of slavery.

According to the lawsuit, FleetBoston is the successor to Providence Bank, which was founded by Rhode Island businessman John Brown. Brown owned ships that embarked on several slaving voyages and the suit says FleetBoston lent substantial sums to Brown, thus financing and profiting from Brown's slave trade.

FleetBoston also collected customs fees due from ships transporting slaves, thus further profiting, the suit said.

FleetBoston did not return a call seeking comment.

The suit alleges Aetna's predecessor actually insured slaveholders against the loss of their human chattel. Aetna knew the horrors of slave life as is evident in a rider through which the company declined to make payments on slaves who were lynched, worked to death, or committed suicide.

Aetna, the No. 1 U.S. life and health insurer, said in early March it was considering making an unprecedented public apology and restitution payment over profits it made from insuring slaves in America 150 years ago.

COURTROOM 'WRONG SETTING'

On Tuesday, an Aetna spokesman said: ``We have not been served with a lawsuit. We do not believe a court would permit a lawsuit over events which, however regrettable, occurred hundreds of years ago.''

CSX is a successor in interest to numerous predecessor railroad lines that were constructed or run, at least in part, by slave labor, according to the suit.

CSX said in a statement that while slavery was a tragic chapter in U.S. history, the lawsuit was wholly without merit.

``The claimants named CSX because slave labor was used to construct portions of some U.S. rail lines under the political and legal system in place more than a century before CSX was formed in

HordeKing1
03-26-2002, 03:10 PM
This is utter nonsense.

Imagine someone informing you that you faced civil penalties for actions that may have been committed by your great great grandfather, who you never met, and whose actions didn't enrich you. Insanity.

I'm sure those seeking reparations would agree that holding THEM pesonally and criminally liable for the alleged actions of distant relatives unconscionable.

Unless there is currently clear and present discrimination, this lawsuit has no merit. Instead it will continue to foster annimosity between the white and black races.

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cheezeemee
03-26-2002, 07:54 PM
I wonder if this Deadria Farmer-Paellmann has ever been to Africa. At 36 years old she still has allot to learn.

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irishkb
03-27-2002, 04:05 AM
Ok so according to history slavery was around since ancient times.. the greeks and romans got slaves from african from tribes that would conquer other tribes.. slavery did not start with the english bringing slaves to the colonies. so lets see, if someone in america is sued(i don't know with could stand up in court), they should counter sue some company in England, then they can try and sue some company or group in either africa, greece or italy... this is just another trumped up suit happy person.. hey but if i am wrong, sue me.. oh yeah don't forget those who have a blood time to the once kings and queens of Egypt.. cause the pyramids were built by slaves and we all know how much tourism the egypt gets because of them... <P>

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Pootertoot
03-27-2002, 06:01 AM
Are they suing Hanes for their 100% Cotton Briefs?

Planters for George Washington Carver?

What's next, hispanics sue the fruit picking industry? Maytag for taking away their jobs?

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The Blowhard
03-27-2002, 09:19 AM
Those behind this "lawsuit" are fully aware that it will NEVER pass. They are looking to promote their cause, and create even more "White guilt".
It's all part of today's "I am a victim" culture. We are doomed.

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furie
03-27-2002, 11:33 AM
If they win, the companies pay, which means higher rates for us, wheich means we pay. My ancestors weren't here during slavery. They didn't come over on the Mayflower, They came on TWA. I shouldn't be made to pay, even if it's in a roundabout way, and neither should any of you.



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wilee
03-28-2002, 06:18 AM
Yet another person preying on companies and people to bring press to their "cause". I think that the whole thing is ridiculous. As HK said, if any of us were to bring lawsuits against any of the so named "plaintiffs" for what their ancestors did, we'd be laughed at.

Egyptians were black and had slaves building pyramids. Will they be suing someone there next? Railroads were also built by Irish immigrant workers in the early 1800's. They were treated poorly and many of them died of malnutrition and disease while working on the railroad. Shouldn't they be part of the suit as it pertains to CSX?

I hate these "Sins of the Father" lawsuits.

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Knowledged_one
03-28-2002, 11:45 AM
Hey if this lawsuit works, im filing a suit against Boston, New York, Philli, and D.C. on behalf of all irish people who were discriminated because we were irish and couldnt get jobs during the depression because of it. Thats right check the books signs that read Irish need not apply is prevalent in many depression photos. So since we have been oppressed i want money for it, and all those irish should join with me.

Oh yeah thats right, the irish fought and overcame adversity with 60 less years of equality then former slaves from the 1860's. The irish spirit does not quit that is why you dont see irish people filing frivilous lawsuits like the above. which is totally ridiculous.

One more thing on the same subject: Is it rascist for college scholarships to say whites only apply...my answer is yes, however african americans routinely have scholarships open only to them, now how is that not racist

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WintersEmbers
03-28-2002, 11:52 AM
if you ask me, and i know that no one did, id say that this is ridiculous just based on the facts that these people werent slaves themselves they were decendents of slaves. when someone chains them up then they have there lil lawsuit.

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furie
03-28-2002, 12:23 PM
The irish spirit does not quit that is why you dont see irish people filing frivilous lawsuits like the above. which is totally ridiculous.


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