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sunndoggy8
03-26-2002, 03:23 PM
This is taken from the "Fiar and Accuract in reporting" website. I was just curious as to what the board's thoughts were about this article.

<i>March 21, 2002
"The Liberal Media" -- A Poltergeist That Will Not Die
By Norman Solomon
You've probably heard a lot of spooky tales about "the liberal media."

Ever since Vice President Spiro Agnew denounced news outlets that were offending the Nixon administration in the autumn of 1969, the specter has been much more often cited than sighted. "The liberal media" is largely an apparition -- but the epithet serves as an effective weapon, brandished against journalists who might confront social inequities and imbalances of power.

During the last few months, former CBS correspondent Bernard Goldberg's new book "Bias" has stoked the "liberal media" canard. His anecdote-filled book continues to benefit from enormous media exposure.

In interviews on major networks, Goldberg has emphasized his book's charge that American media outlets are typically in step with the biased practices he noticed at CBS News -- where "we pointedly identified conservatives as conservatives, for example, but for some crazy reason didn't bother to identify liberals as liberals."

But do facts support Goldberg's undocumented generalization? To find out, linguist Geoffrey Nunberg searched a database of 30 large daily newspapers in the United States. He disclosed the results in an analysis that aired March 19 on the national radio program "Fresh Air."

Nunberg discovered "a big disparity in the way the press labels liberals and conservatives -- but not in the direction that Goldberg claims." Actually, the data showed, "the average liberal legislator has a 30 percent greater likelihood of being identified with a partisan label than the average conservative does."

When Nunberg narrowed his search to the New York Times, the Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times -- three dailies "routinely accused of having a liberal bias" -- he learned that "in those papers, too, liberals get partisan labels 30 percent more often than conservatives do, the same proportion as in the press at large."

And what about Goldberg's claim that media coverage is also slanted by unfairly pigeonholing stars of the entertainment industry? His book declares flatly: "If we do a Hollywood story, it's not unusual to identify certain actors, like Tom Selleck or Bruce Willis, as conservatives. But Barbra Streisand or Rob Reiner, no matter how active they are in liberal Democratic politics, are just Barbra Streisand and Rob Reiner."

Again, Nunberg found, the facts prove Goldberg wrong: "The press gives partisan labels to Streisand and Reiner almost five times as frequently as it does to Selleck and Willis. For that matter, Warren Beatty gets a partisan label twice as often as Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Norman Lear gets one more frequently than Charlton Heston does."

The results are especially striking because the word "liberal" has been widely stigmatized, observes Nunberg, a senior researcher at Stanford's Center for the Study of Language and Information. "It turns out that newspapers label liberals much more readily than they do conservatives."

So, while Goldberg hotly contends -- without statistical backup -- that conservatives get a raw deal because they're singled out for ideological labeling more than liberals are, Nunberg relies on empirical evidence to reach a very different conclusion: "If there is a bias here, in fact, the data suggests that it goes the other way -- that the media consider liberals to be farther from the mainstream than conservatives are."

It's unlikely that factual debunking will do much to slow the momentum of those who are intent on riding the "liberal media" poltergeist. It has already carried them a long way.

Not surprisingly, President Bush displayed Goldberg's book for photographers at the White House a couple of months ago. For a long time, GOP strategists have been "working the refs" -- crying foul about supposed media bias while benefitting greatly from the

NewYorkDragons80
03-26-2002, 08:11 PM
The media is very liberal. Ever since Vietnam it has been their goal to second-guess every American policy. Remember when the Gulf War was supposed to be another Vietnam? Or how about when the media thought our soldiers couldn't fight Al Qaeda just because it was cold out?

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Se7en
03-26-2002, 09:14 PM
It's not a myth. It exists.

EVERYONE is biased. "Unbiased" news reporting is the real myth. There doesn't exist a form of news media that is not biased towards one of the two parties.

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Pootertoot
03-27-2002, 06:09 AM
Ever since Vietnam it has been their goal to second-guess every American policy.


So following the government blindly without question is "conservative", I guess?

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Doogie
03-27-2002, 07:28 AM
Does liberal media though get mixed up with sensationalism??? That should be the quesion that many people ask themselves...

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The Blowhard
03-27-2002, 09:16 AM
What's the point of discussing this? We are all exploited by the Capitalist Imperialist Evil Corporate War Machine! And then we die.

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NewYorkDragons80
03-27-2002, 10:37 AM
Pootertoot, you missed the rest of my message. I said these are the same people that said we would not triumph in Afghanistan because we can't handle the cold. There are times when it is appropriate to question American policy and there are times when it is flat out stupid.

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sunndoggy8
03-27-2002, 07:26 PM
NEWYORKDRAGON. You yourself said the following in the Alec Baldwin thread:

Conservatives are lucky there is a Fox News, otherwise nobody would hear them.

I specifically remember Bill O'Reilly, Hannity and the other guy, and a few others questioning the success of a war in afganistan given the terrain, and upcoming(at the time) winter. Did they forget their conservativism there, or is that station secretly liberal too??

And was it really "stupid" to question it? Just about everyone involved in government spoke about worries involving terrain and weather there...were they being stupid just bringing it up? They were still confident in an eventual victory.

And considing terrain has been a major stopping point in finding Osama Bin Laden himself, don't you think the point about the terrain being a obstacle at least partially correct?

In terms of the Gulf War, I don't remmeber many comparisons of that to Vietnam, but I think when there are American soldiers lives at stake, it's kind of OK to question a war effort...it is war, after all.

If you're going to question campaign finance reform, war seems like it falls into the category of things that definitely should be questioned and studied too, in order to determine the best and most efficient course of action. It is war, after all.

To those of you who actually got the point and commented on the article, thanks.

For all of you who ignored it completely, and didn't comment on the stats given, but said you disagreed, you all suck. If you're going to disagree with it, at least criticise it, dispute the stats, something that shows you even read it. Uuuhg.

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Se7en
03-27-2002, 08:07 PM
Ah, to be young and liberal in America.

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sunndoggy8
03-27-2002, 08:12 PM
Just because I don't support the liberal media idea doesn't mean i'm liberal in nature. And the lead singer of Creed is supergay, in my opinion.

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Se7en
03-27-2002, 08:15 PM
And the lead singer of Creed is supergay, in my opinion.

Indeed.

But the sig is a joke, a tie-in to a bit that Ron and Fez did last week, explaining in detail about how Scott Stapp believes he's the next Messiah.

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The Blowhard
03-27-2002, 09:38 PM
Media=ELITEST.


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