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Poison Ivy

04-03-2002, 07:38 PM

Pro choice for sure. You have no idea how much I despise those pro-life assholes that sit there and preach about how abortion is a sin and spew crap about adoption and how there are people that can help you. It's such bullshit. I am sorry but these hypocrites sit there and tell you what to do with your body but are they gonna personally help you with medical bills, etc. if you decide not to "kill" your fetus? Ummm no. Fuck that. And as for the ones who preach how adoption is better and there are loving families out there to take your baby in.. that's bullshit too. How do they know the baby won't go to some psycho drug abusers or worse? As long as it's my body I will do what I want with it. Don't like it? Too bad

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angrymissy

04-03-2002, 07:41 PM

pro-choice hardcore. Its my fucking body. I feel more strongly about this issue than anything else, and debate it quite frequently.

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NurseMira

04-03-2002, 07:53 PM

I know what you mean....I am not Pro-Abortion but I respect a what a woman wants at anytime. The train station by my house had an Abortion Clinic next to it and their were lifers protesting every morning. I would always give them the finger when I drove by. Their signs were awful...they would say

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04-03-2002, 08:59 PM

ok ok ok
well lets see I think it is a womans right to choose what she does with her body, i dont like it but a woman has the right I believe, number 2 i dont believe it should be used as a means of birth control in a mulitple sense...what i mean by that is if you have gotten pregnant 5 times and aborted all five times then there is something wrong there...did that make sense?
but i do believe its a womans right to choose,

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PortugueseMark

04-03-2002, 11:48 PM

Pro-Choice. If you don't like abortions, don't have one. (it's not required by law)

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Doogie

04-04-2002, 12:24 AM

Pro choice for the simple reason that I am not a woman, it is not my body...Guys look at it this way. If you wanted to get a vasectomy would you want somebody telling you that you should/should not be doing so??? Should the government be doing so in deciding if you should or not??? Think in terms for the ladies on this one please fellas...

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04-04-2002, 04:30 AM

I don't condone abortion in ANY fashion, but here's my take on it: If a woman wants an abortion she's gonna get an abortion; legal or not. That's just the way it is. So if this woman is going to have an abortion I'd rather she have it in a clinic or a hospital with a professional than to have it with a butcher or take a chance on doing it herself with a hanger and taking a chance on killing herself also. So I guess that makes me pro choice but not BY choice.....what a lame assed attempt to be witty.

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04-04-2002, 05:13 AM

pro-choice

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irishkb

04-04-2002, 05:15 AM

Ok so choice or life? there are problems with both sides of the issue. sitting in college being i was crim major i heard this arguement so many times.. now the problem i have with the pro-life people(i use that lightly cause there is a better word for some of them) is they want a woman to keep the baby no matter what. OK so fuck that.. in this world women get raped, molested, and sodomised by men(again used lightly). Asking a women to one deal with all the emotional issue that come with those situations is hard enough. Now you want them to keep a baby that was literally forced on them... Fuck that shit.. No way in hell.. And because of those people you have states that have a no abortion law forcing back alley doctors. that is just too dangerous for women and it is just not fair... Now i am for pro choice but there are things i worry about with it. I know that there are women who use it as a form of birth control. People must remember that you if don't want kids put on a condom if your a guy and if your a girl go to planned parenthood and try to get on birth control. be safe now and no worries for later.. 

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zathrus

04-04-2002, 05:25 AM

it seems that most of us are pro-choice. this is not something that i would personally do. it's against my religion and personal beliefs. but i do understand that there are times when abortion may be the best answer. my big problem is people who have abortions, just because the don't want to have a child. there are lots of families that would be more than willing to adopt that child. If the abortion is done because of rape, incest or the mother's life would be in danger if she carried the child, then i understand. sometimes, it seems that abortion is too easy of a way out. your young, you get pregant and don't want to tell you parent, you have an abortion. what does that teach the young girls of today. don't worry if you get pregnant, you can have an abortion and don't have to tell anyone. but i guess that is better than the young girls leaving the infants outside to face the elements or throwing then in a dumpster. this is such a touchy subject

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TomPoo

04-04-2002, 05:50 AM

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A.J.

04-04-2002, 05:57 AM

Pro-choice.

angrymissy

04-04-2002, 06:01 AM

Pro choice for the simple reason that I am not a woman, it is not my body...Guys look at it this way. If you wanted to get a vasectomy would you want somebody telling you that you should/should not be doing so???

you are a good man! that is the way I wish all men would look at it.

I've scrapped with pro-lifers holding up signs of "aborted" (they are almost always pictures of stillborn babies) fetus'. There is a medical group in my town that performs abortions, and they protest there every once in a while, even though small children go into the same medical group for doctors visits. There screaming and waving their signs around. One day I actually stopped the car and got out and screamed at them. Its sick. Its my body! I've been in this situation (more than once), and it is not fun, and no one can understand it until they've been there.

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windowlck

04-04-2002, 06:12 AM

i dont believe it should be used as a means of birth control in a mulitple sense...what i mean by that is if you have gotten pregnant 5 times and aborted all five times then there is something wrong there...did that make sense?
but i do believe its a womans right to choose,

I'm Pro-Choice....I've known some girls who have had multiple abortions(in the 3's and up)... and you know what? It is all for the better... We do not need a girl who is this screwed up bringing multiple children into this world, thats she's unable to take care of.

The thing that pisses me off the most are the Pro-Lifer's who feel that in cases of Rape & insest that Abortion is still wrong

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DarkHippie

04-04-2002, 06:24 AM

I'm Pro-Choice. There is no more precious gift than free will, and no one has the right to take that away!

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04-04-2002, 06:27 AM

Choice. Period.

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dicAMan

04-04-2002, 06:48 AM

I am pro-life. Except for cases of rape or incest. I don't think I should be paying for people to kill their babies. Women should have to take responsibility for their actions, there are plenty of people that want kids that can't have one. Useing abortion as a way of birth control is not right. If you didn't want to get all fat then you should have thought about that before you decided to screw unprotected. I respect other peoples views, these are just my own. So, besides in certain cases abortions are wrong.

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Se7en

04-04-2002, 06:53 AM

I'm in the minority here, I guess.

I'm pro-life. Unrepentantly so.

But don't worry, I won't preach to you, or hold up signs, or try to blow up a clinic or anything.

Here's the odd thing - I'm pro-life, but I love a good abortion joke. Is that wrong?

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angrymissy

04-04-2002, 06:58 AM

I don't think I should be paying for people to kill their babies

And just how are you paying for it?

If you didn't want to get all fat then you should have thought about that before you decided to screw unprotected

I don't think that this is the reason most women get abortions. Some men seem to think that getting an abortion is something a woman will just up and do an a whim. Thats not true. Its a hard decision, and a lot of thought and pain goes into it.

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FUNKMAN

04-04-2002, 08:27 AM

pro-choice...

compelling arguments sometimes...

you have to admit that you are making the decision for another life on whether that life lives or dies...

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windowlck

04-04-2002, 08:34 AM

paying for people to kill their babies

What about paying for the welfare that that single mother might be forced to live on...or how about the cost to keep that child in the correctional facility that it will most likely wind up after living its turbulent sad life....

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dicAMan

04-04-2002, 08:41 AM

who says the woman has to keep the child, there is a thing called adoption. And our tax money goes for subsidsed baby killing, that is how i'm paying for it. Don't get me wrong I respect other peoples view, even if they are the wrong ones.

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JerryTaker

04-04-2002, 09:04 AM

What about paying for the welfare that that single mother might be forced to live on...or how about the cost to keep that child in the correctional facility that it will most likely wind up after living its turbulent sad life....

Amen to that....
I'd much rather my taxes went into "any" kind of medical research or procedure, including abortion, than into some crackhead on welfare's pocket....

I'm pro abortion. There's too many people in the world as is, and it's ridiculous that any old moron that can fire a syanapse can have a child. Unwanted children are the bane of society, be it in the form of welfare or Columbine.
Population control? maybe, but hey, if we had it before, I wouldn't be here, so you can't argue with that...

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ROMEO

04-04-2002, 09:24 AM

I'm on the fence on this one, I see good points on both sides. I've been faced with it once and I told her not to,but she went on with it anyway,it was her right. But when she went to the clinic she found out she was further along than she thought. So she couldn't have the abortion anyway.She now has a great little girl. 
If it came down to a vote I would vote Pro-choice,b/c as Hippie said free will is our right. 

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04-04-2002, 09:34 AM

Pro choice.

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04-04-2002, 12:23 PM

I am most certainly Pro Choice. Nobody should take that right away from us.

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Heavy

04-04-2002, 12:24 PM

Pro-coice
there is a thing called adoption.

How many kids have you adopted? That' what I thought......

One thing I don't agee with is this whole " It's my body" thing. The reason for an abortion is to not have the child you're pregnent with.....last tme I checked that child belonged to 2 people, not just the mother. If both parents decide they want to abort then fine, but if the father wants it and the mother does'nt..........that's when the theory of "You should've thought about it before you got pregnent" comes into effect as far as I'm concened

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Lulu

04-04-2002, 01:15 PM

pro-choice

Se7en

04-04-2002, 02:04 PM

The reason for an abortion is to not have the child you're pregnent with.....last tme I checked that child belonged to 2 people, not just the mother. If both parents decide they want to abort then fine, but if the father wants it and the mother does'nt.........

Johnee brought up a very interesting point.

Do those of you who are pro-choice feel that the father has any say at all in the child?

Before you automatically answer "it's a woman's body", think about this and please, let's have a real, articulate discussion about this one particular point.

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legroommusic

04-04-2002, 02:15 PM

I'm pro-life. I like life no matter how much it sucks. I like to experience things and I think that it's cool to run into suprises once in a while. I know everyone on the board has issues, but I would rather go out in a different way than as an aborted fetus.

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Lulu

04-04-2002, 02:22 PM

Do those of you who are pro-choice feel that the father has any say at all in the child?
i have never thought of it that way. but i'm sure if a woman doesn't want the baby but the man does there is some comprmise the can make. such as adoption or a surrogate mother.

ryno

04-04-2002, 02:34 PM

pro-chioce////but guys get profession F'd

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TrailerTrash

04-04-2002, 02:50 PM

being pro-choice as a whole is definitely better. at least being governmentally-backed, women won't need to go to some alleyway and have it done in an unsterile environment like they used to have to do years ago. also, when a situation arises where this decision has to be made, it is definitely something both the mother and the father need to discuss and think about together. i think it's quite selfish for a woman not to take into account the feelings and beliefs of what the father wishes.

on that note, i'm pro-choice, but personally, i'm pro-life. i just want the right to be able to choose.

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seagullbeagle

04-04-2002, 03:24 PM

This is an issue that touches me very deeply.... i have a sister.She became pregnant very young(18 is real young right?) and scheduled an abortion. When she went to get the abortion the doctors realized she was too far along and her previous physician had made a huge mistake. She left crying and i drove her home. Today i have a beautiful nephew who i could not live without. With that said I am still pro-choice, but urge women to look past selfish motives for abortion. The I'm not ready excuses wont work for me. Selfishness like that makes me sick. Abortion is a last resort, and should be viewed as such. 

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jafter

04-04-2002, 03:31 PM

Pro - Choice.

I think abortions should be used as a last resort, but it should definitely be kept legal and in a safe environment. To the pro-lifers if you don't want to have an abortion don't have one. (even though I wish we could have retro active abortions) only kidding.

Se7en you do bring up a good point about the father, most of the time the father is not in the picture. But until a man can carry a baby it will always be a womans choice.
I think it is wrong when a 3rd party gets involved in keeping a fetus alive. Mind your own business.

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angrymissy

04-04-2002, 03:50 PM

Do those of you who are pro-choice feel that the father has any say at all in the child?

I don't believe he does, he's not the one who will have to carry the baby for 9 months and ultimately give birth. I know abusive men who TRY to get their girlfriends pregnant to trap them into staying too (holes in condoms, etc.). It's horrible, one of the reasons why women need to be in control of their bodies.

I had an abortion the week after I turned 15 (everyone basically knows about it anyway) I am glad that I live in a country where it was legal, because if it wasn't, I would have found some other way.

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seagullbeagle

04-04-2002, 03:55 PM

Missy brings up a point and further complicates and already complicated issue.I had an abortion the week after I turned 15 Do minors have the right to get abortions without parental or a guardians' consent? 

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04-04-2002, 04:14 PM

I don't believe he does, he's not the one who will have to carry the baby for 9 months and ultimately give birth. I know abusive men who TRY to get their girlfriends pregnant to trap them into staying too (holes in condoms, etc.). It's horrible, one of the reasons why women need to be in control of their bodies. but in the same regard there are women that get pregnant to keep guys around.. the father should have some say because he will be involved in the raising.. granted a man does not and can not carry a child but he can care for the child as much as the mother. situation where a guy has a say- if it is a relationship that is over 6 month time frame where he displays true maturity. where a guy does not have a say- one night stands, bad relationships-hitting, and very bad fighting. 

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NewYorkDragons80

04-04-2002, 04:23 PM

I'm unshakably Pro-Life.

Forget sin, religion, morals, etc in these arguments. This should be a completely secular debate.

I understand the position of those who are pro-choice. They think it is the woman's right to choose, and it is her body. I happen to think that by having an abortion, you infringe on the civil liberty of the unborn child.

I don't think anybody is pro-abortion. It's just your particular point of view, and when you think life begins and what your view of one's rights are.

Adoption is easily one of the best contributions you can make to society. If more unwed mothers had their babies and put them up for adoption, it would improve the adoption process and help homosexual couples have children. I have an adopted sister as well as several close friends who are adopted and they could not have found better homes. I stongly encourage anyone on the fence to put serious thought into the adoption process.

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NewYorkDragons80

04-04-2002, 04:38 PM

I'm pro abortion. There's too many people in the world as is, and it's ridiculous that any old moron that can fire a syanapse can have a child.

I would like to be the first to welcome Pat Buchanan to the board

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angrymissy

04-04-2002, 05:04 PM

Do minors have the right to get abortions without parental or a guardians' consent?

legally they do, at least in new york state - in the stats where you need parental consent, minors will travel to another state to have to abortion, usually waiting longer, and having the abortion later, which presents more medical and moral issues. i belive minors have the right to get medical care without notifying their parents

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Heavy

04-04-2002, 05:29 PM

I don't believe he does, he's not the one who will have to carry the baby for 9 months and ultimately give birth.
Just because the women are the one's that carry and give birth to the child does'nt mean they're more of a parent then the father.....
I know abusive men who TRY to get their girlfriends pregnant to trap them into staying too (holes in condoms, etc.
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So tell the women to stop having sex with those guys

It's horrible, one of the reasons why women need to be in control of their bodies.
Right, and for the record women are allowed to have control of thier bodies before it gets to the point of having an aborion, like as in having safe sex, or no sex (unless i'ts rape)

I happen to think that by having an abortion, you infringe on the civil liberty of the unborn child.
This is true but unfortunatly newbrns can't support or raise themselves and if they're not wanted by either parent...........

it would improve the adoption process and help homosexual couples have children.

It would improve the adoption process......I guess by giving a larger choice of children to pick from?????? And I'm going to assume that homosexual remark was a joke or something.........no actually I'm going to get my girlfriend pregnent and we're gonna put the kid up for adoption and keep our fingers crossed that a homo couple gets it....

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wilee

04-04-2002, 05:34 PM

Hmmm... Devil's Advocate time

It's my body, I will do what I want with itRight now, it's illegal to attempt suicide- "but it's my body". If someone wants to try self-immolation, why should the government stop him/her?

Good point about the father having a part in the creation of the child. If you get married and buy a home, you both have legal rights to it. If you both make a child, why is it only one person has a say?

Missy- you said you have no problem with minors getting medical procedures without parental consent. Would you have no problem if it were your children keeping you in the dark?

I was an unplanned pregnancy. My parents had my sister and I was conceived 6 months later. They used birth control, and didn't feel that they were in the best situtation to have 2 kids at the time. Fortunately for me, my mother did not have an abortion, and circumstances took care of themselves to help them out.

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EffMeBoobs

04-04-2002, 05:46 PM

Pro Choice

I like life no matter how much it sucks.

Hey don't knock death until you try it. ;) Sorry just having a laugh since everyone seems tense over this discussion.

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04-04-2002, 05:51 PM

Hey don't knock death until you try it.

hey if you don't like death can you exchange it for something else like nice pair of shoes or something?

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FUNKMAN

04-04-2002, 08:06 PM

Do those of you who are pro-choice feel that the father has any say at all in the child?

he should have half ownership of the life that they created and be able to take full ownership if she does not want the child...

probably wouldn't hold up in court though...

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04-04-2002, 09:01 PM

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04-04-2002, 09:42 PM

eff me boobs- are you telling me to kill myself?

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Cardinal Adam

04-04-2002, 10:16 PM

Hi Folks- 
As most of you probably guessed, I'm not a Cardinal. However, I am a Catholic Priest. So, you probably know my feeling on this issue. 
I understand life presents consequences that are less than desirable, but really, what did the Child wrong. You call it pro-choice, but where is the choice for the child? The child didn't rape anyone, or choose to conceive himself in incest, why should he be killed? 
Oh, and before the jokes start, I have NEVER, nor will I EVER molest ANYONE. I am SO SICK of hearing about that. I didn't do anything wrong.....SHEESH!!!!! 

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Jobberific

04-04-2002, 11:26 PM

As I am a man, and will therefore never have an abortion, I don't particularly care. I am pro- choice simply because its hard enough to find a parking space as it is. :)
Seriously, I am pro-choice, simply because I pro-free will in every debate. What I will say bothers me is the whole "The child didn't have a choice" arguement. Its not a child. Its a bunch of congregated cells, there is no child there yet.

And this question is directed towards Cardinal Adam. What is the churches postion on the morning after pill? I really am just curious to know.

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Yerdaddy

04-05-2002, 12:43 AM

I'm an atheist, so my choice should be obvious. I do respect what rational debate there is on the issue, but it ultimately boils down to a religious issue. As long as we live in a secular state that respects religious faith, this issue will rage on. In fact, if I did believe in god, I believe I'd be pro-life. But then I'd probably have a long beard and drive a buggy. No disrespect to the Cardinal.

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TomPoo

04-05-2002, 05:22 AM

I have a question to the board
When do you believe life begins???

Do you believe it is at the moment of conception???

after the first trimester?? 2nd??? 3rd???

at actual birth???

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YueStarlight390

04-05-2002, 05:33 AM

k i will not agrue but what about baby pyscho cereal killers choice to live... he'll never get to kill and maim
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angrymissy

04-05-2002, 05:59 AM

I have a question to the board
When do you believe life begins???

Do you believe it is at the moment of conception???

after the first trimester?? 2nd??? 3rd???

at actual birth???

As soon as the fetus can live outside the womb on its own, generally the third trimester.

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dicAMan

04-05-2002, 06:54 AM

you ask how many kids have I adopted? None yet but I will when I am old enough. I am adopted and I would have not been here if my birth mother decided to kill me. It is not all about the woman, your pretty much telling the child, hey I don't want to have you burden me so I'm gunna kill you and you wont be able to experience anything life has to offer. And hey you might have found the cure for aids. but I don't like throwing up or getting fat so I decided to kill you and throw you in to a dumpster. Not all women do it for that reason but far more do than do it for a legitimite reason. If you didn't want to get pregnant there is a new invention called a condom, look into it.

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JerryTaker

04-05-2002, 06:58 AM

Do minors have the right to get abortions without parental or a guardians' consent?

The right? geez, it should be mandatory....
a minor cannot raise a child in this society, I don't care how mature/resposible/etc.. she may be.
And it doesn't just ruin the teen's life financially and emotionally, it ruin's the childs life. Who wants to be born with 2 1/2 strikes against you?
Plus there's the societal burden: welfare, the school system having to act as the parents, and who knows how a child can grow up knowing that his/her parents "resent" their whole existance?
Imagine living every day knowing that your parents would be living so much better lives without you, try dealing with that...

I know I should have been aborted. My parents never should have stayed together when they had me at 19, and they should have been able to mature past that point. but not aborting me stunted their mental and emotional growth, and for what? me? I'm not worth that, not by a long shot....

Hey, maybe I can be the poster boy for abortion, where do I sign up? :-)

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angrymissy

04-05-2002, 07:05 AM

If you didn't want to get pregnant there is a new invention called a condom, look into it.

Its pretty fucking easy to get pregnant even when using a condom. They break and rip, so its not always 100% I did not have an abortion (i've had 2 btw) becuase I didn't want to get fat or throw up. I had it because I was too young to have a baby phsyically and mentally. Adoption was not an option, I would have killed myself before carrying that fetus to term at age 15. Don't get me wrong, I admire people who give children up for adoption, I think its great. But I'm incredibly insulted that you think women have abortions becuase they don't want to throw up or get fat. Thats simply not the case.

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angrymissy

04-05-2002, 07:11 AM

Just some facts about abortion that I had posted a few months ago when this topic came up.

--- Most abortions (89%) are obtained in the first trimester of pregnancy. In fact, over half of all abortions are obtained within the first 8 weeks. Fewer than 1% occur after 21 weeks, and almost all of these are done before 23 weeks.

--- Despite the claims of some anti-abortion activists, women have access to abortion in the third trimester only in extreme circumstances. Fewer than 1% of abortions are performed after 20 weeks, and they are extremely rare after 26 weeks of pregnancy. Very few abortions are provided in the third trimester, and they are limited to cases of severe fetal abnormalities or situations when the life or health of the pregnant woman is seriously threatened.

--- Young women between the ages of 11 and 19 account for about 21% of all abortions: women 20 to 24 account for another 34%: and about 22% of abortions are obtained by women who are 30 or older. Calculating abortion rates, older teenagers and young adults have the highest abortion rates, while women younger than 15 and older than 35 have the lowest.

--- Anti-abortion activists claim that having an abortion increases the risk of developing breast cancer and endangers future childbearing. They claim that women who have abortions without complications will still have difficulty conceiving or carrying a pregnancy, will develop ectopic (outside of the uterus) pregnancies, will deliver stillborn babies, or will become sterile. However, these claims have been refuted by a significant body of medical research . Furthermore, they are not considered warranted by organizations such as the American Cancer Society, the National Cancer Institute, or National Breast Cancer Coalition.

Please do not let anyone tell you that all abortions invlove "ripping apart the fetus". They do not. The abortion procedure that uses forceps to remove parts of the fetus that are too large to be removed via suction is only performed after 20 weeks. If you look at my stats above, less than 1% of abortions are performed after 20 weeks. These are facts. If you have ever had the experience of driving where there are pro-life protestors holding signs of "aborted babies", those pictures are usually of stillborn babies.

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nellie

04-05-2002, 07:15 AM

pro-choice, it's a woman's right to choose, it's her body; however i don't support abortion as a means of birth control.

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NurseMira

04-05-2002, 07:44 AM

I'm sorry but I think it's totally up to the woman when it comes to having the baby or not. You're trying to tell me that some man is going to convince me to carry the baby full term and he will take care of it from there? That means 9 months worth of my body changing 50 times over just so I can never see the baby again. I don't think I would be able to do it. 
Also, even if a woman does use abortion as a form of birth control...guess what?? She can do whatever she pleases if she can afford it. Imagine telling a woman she has to have her baby because it's wrong to have an abortion and she raises the child hungry, unloved, abused and then lost in the system. We all know you can give up your child when you're unable to raise it but how many people actually do that? 
Abortion is a very hard thing to do. But, it's still something that has to be thought out very carefully. I would also like to point out that married couples have abortions too because they can't afford it financially or are just not ready to have a child at that certain point in their life. I know it's harsh when you think about what we're really talking about. Murder is murder and it's illegal when you do it in the living world but it's okay when it hasn't seen the light of day...it's very contradicting. I guess that's when the whole,

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nellie

04-05-2002, 09:11 AM

Also, even if a woman does use abortion as a form of birth control...guess what?? She can do whatever she pleases if she can afford it.

so you're saying if the woman is irresonsible, and doesn't take that proper precautions, and gets pregnant just bout everytime she does it, she should be able to abort it.

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NewYorkDragons80

04-05-2002, 10:10 AM

Johneewad, I was completely serious. I think the wait to adopt an infant is 4 years, but I may be off. If every terminated pregnancy went through, it would be a considerably shorter wait.

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NurseMira

04-05-2002, 10:28 AM

so you're saying if the woman is irresonsible, and doesn't take that proper precautions, and gets pregnant just bout everytime she does it, she should be able to abort it. 
I am not saying that's the smartest thing in the world ...I'm just saying that she has every right to do that if she wants. 

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angrymissy

04-05-2002, 10:34 AM

think the wait to adopt an infant is 4 years

That would be for a healthy white baby.

Think of all of the other unwated babies that would be popped out and unwanted.

And I don't think if there were more babies the wait to adopt would be shorter.

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NewYorkDragons80

04-05-2002, 01:09 PM

I didn't know parents even knew the color of the child's skin until they adopted it.

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TomPoo

04-05-2002, 02:14 PM

--- Most abortions (89%) are obtained in the first trimester of pregnancy. In fact, over half of all abortions are obtained within the first 8 weeks. Fewer than 1% occur after 21 weeks, and almost all of these are done before 23 weeks.
Missy, that is really a null point to pro-lifers. Pro-lifers believe life begins at the moment of conception.

You're trying to tell me that some man is going to convince me to carry the baby full term and he will take care of it from there? That means 9 months worth of my body changing 50 times over just so I can never see the baby again. I don't think I would be able to do it.
Mira, asking a woman to carry a baby for nine months seems pretty insignificant when you consider the father is offering to take responsibility for at least the next 18 years

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Doogie

04-05-2002, 02:46 PM

There are some real questions to ask in the abortion debate. Do the real debates over abortion start over when life begins questions?? Or is it cause of government attempts to control/limit/allowance of abortions??

Personally I feel that many religions are quick to say that life must be preserved. They ask a woman to go through the difficulties of pregnancy, despite the age and the damage that occur as a result. (I am speaking for teens mainly here, but older woman do apply here too). But the worst part is that they will also be quick to brand a young woman "slut" or "whore". What is funny is these religious people (priests most especially) oppose pre-marital sex, yet these are the same people being indicted for pedophelia. Curious to say the least and hypocritical...

These religious people also oppose the use of birth control...I mean wouldnt using the birth controls eliminate a lot of these problems??

And to the person that made the wise comment about using a condom, they are not 100 percent effective...we all know that. There are other options such as the pill in combination with the condom would reduce the chance for pregnancy...we all make our own decisions in life, and NO ONE I repeat NO ONE should ever take away someones right to make there own decisions...a person will take responsibility and learn both sides of an argument and make there own decisions...

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WintersEmbers

04-05-2002, 02:52 PM

pro choice all the way. a womans buddy is her own choice.

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04-05-2002, 03:57 PM

Pro-choice.

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04-05-2002, 04:03 PM

i am pro-choice...everyone makes mistakes so they should not be judged for their actions...but i also feel that the option of abortion should not be abused.

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Yerdaddy

04-05-2002, 05:46 PM

That would be for a healthy white baby.

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Captain Stubing

04-05-2002, 07:13 PM

Well I'm pro-life, but it's based on an arcane point. IMO the Roe v. Wade case represented a judicial usurptation of legislative authority. This was a not uncommon occurence for the Supreme court starting with the Warren Court in the 1950's, and is often referred to as 'judicial activism'. I'm not a constitutional scholar but I agree with those who state that the 14th amendment (which gave citzenship rights to former slaves, and is the linchpin of the Roe v. Wade case) has been stretched to cover lots of issues that it was not intended to relate to. I believe that the issue of abortion should be decided by Congress, not the executive or judicial branch. As a congressional issue, I would not support its legality...I think that as a public policy it sends the wrong message regarding the balance of individual rights vs. responsibilities (i.e. too 'much' rights, too little responsibility). That's my take, I understand that good arguements exist in support of legal abortion. I think that those people who worry about a conservative court overturning Roe v. Wade have little to worry about. True conservatives (think Scalia, Thomas) put a heavy emphasis on precedent and are pretty reluctant to change laws (especially the Constitution) to suit their individual belief systems. 

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Heavy

04-05-2002, 07:13 PM

That means 9 months worth of my body changing 50 times over

That has to be he most selfish Godamn thing I've ever heard

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jamesdiggy

04-05-2002, 07:22 PM

I think this thread has opened up a dialogue, that is both informative and interesting. To Capatain Stubing - do you really wan't Congress deciding the issue. To me, Congress or Government, has no Constitutional right to legislate over the human body. That prospect actually sounds a bit Orwellian. And what pro-life advocates have to remember is that Roe V. Wade was decided as a question of law, not morals. In our democratic-republic we have this distinction between church and state. That's what makes the abortion issue so controversial. There will never be a definitive answer to this question, but I find the diverse opinions, the respect payed to them and the healthy debate encouraging.

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Doogie

04-05-2002, 07:50 PM

That has to be he most selfish Godamn thing I've ever heard

That is very easy to say from the outside. From a guys point of view...she obviously didnt mean it to sound selfish. Is just the fact that if she is pregnant from any sort of situation, should she have to burden herself with a child?? Perhaps the girl is in no situation to bring a child into this world, lets say either monatarily or what not...you mean she shouldnt have a right to choose if she wants to keep or not?!?! Or that the government should decide that??

Regardless, as a guy it is so easy for other men to knock at abortion as a "great evil". All we have to do is drop the seed. The girl has to suffer the consequences of that seed for 9 months after that. And what if she is new at a career, or is in school, or is between jobs. Shouldnt she have the right to choose what is right for her??!!

I only tell this cause I want you to see from the other side what it is that women go through with this whole argument. You really think it is easy for a woman to go through a decision like this?? Not in the least bit...the decision alone is a killer...then she has to face all these right wing jerk offs on the way in screaming "murderer" and "slut and "whore". You think that is fair??!! And keep in mind most of rthese people are the most hypocritical of all...they scream to save a life at the abortion clinic, but tend to be pro death penalty...curious situation we have there ehhhh chief

Fact is, you cant really be so quick to judge when you dont know what the shoes are like...

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Captain Stubing

04-05-2002, 08:11 PM

jdiggy, the government already legislates all over the human body. What are seat belt laws about? How about smoking laws (i.e. kids + 'sin' tax to discourage use)? Regulation of tatoo's/piercings? Drug use? Prostitution? Suicide laws/euthanasia? Remember, I'm not commenting on these issues except to say that the governement already legislates on issues involving the human body/individual choices. 
The question then becomes is this a constitutional issue? If so, does the 14th amendment cover it? Or is it an issue to be decided by elected representatives? I believe in the latter even though I understand that the end result may not be what I desire. For those who say it's a social justice issue and it doesn't matter how it's packgaged, I say if the process to get the policy you desire doesn't matter, then the end justifies the means (see also, 'slippery slope'). 

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NurseMira

04-06-2002, 10:01 AM

That has to be he most selfish Godamn thing I've ever heard 

Johnee, 
It sure is selfish when I don't want to have a baby. I find it so great how a man is going to tell me that pregnancy is an easy thing and giving up your baby is a piece of cake too. How many mothers out there change their minds on adoption after giving birth to a child? Does anyone understand the chemistry of this all? Having a fetus grow inside of you, having your body change 50 times over , and then giving up that extension of yourself is a very hard thing to do when it comes to mother and child. Please, don't tell me a man will ever understand that. Also, before the men on the board kill me, I understand that you guys will love the child unconditionally as well...please don't get me wrong. But, there is no way that you can come close to understand what happens to a woman through pregnancy and abortion. 

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04-06-2002, 10:05 AM

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Cybersoldier

04-06-2002, 10:50 AM

A woman has the right to get an abortion. I'm Pro-choice

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fatty

04-06-2002, 11:06 AM

just the fact that are different opinions on the matter proves there should be a choice. there are good argments on both sides, only leading to the point that one should be able to choose which point they believe in.

as for life beginning at conception, i will quote george carlin:

if it is alive at conception how come a mother will say i have 2 kids with one on the way instead of saying she has 3 kids?

how come stillborn babies aren't given a funeral if they are considered a child already?

how come people against abortion are people you wouldn't want to fuck in the first place?

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fatty

04-06-2002, 11:13 AM

2 additional points:

1. Women will get abortions if it is illegal or not, so we might as well make it safe for them rather them do it in a way where they will get hurt.

2. if men were the ones who had to go through childbirth you'd better believe that abortions would be legal, they would be availabe at the local malls for christ's sake.

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seagullbeagle

04-06-2002, 03:09 PM

i belive minors have the right to get medical care without notifying their parents I dont know if i can flat out agree with that. Abortion provides an interesting example.But i would not agree that a minor should be able to get a sex change without parental consent,or plastic or body altering surgery. A person under 18 cannot legally get a tattoo on their body but can get an abortion with the consent of ny state. 

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Heavy

04-06-2002, 05:40 PM

should she have to burden herself with a child??

No she should'nt have to "burden" herself with a child and she wouldnt have to if the father is taking the chld after birth......
Somehow I turned out looking pro-life to some people here......I say if you have a one night stand and get pregnent, have an abortion. If you get raped, have an abortion. If it's incest, have an abortion. If you're 15, 16, 17 or any other age, have an abortion. If you're happilly married and don't want a kid, have an abortion.
And no,I don't think it would be easy for any pregnent woman to do this.
I think the only person on earth that should be able to stop any woman from having an abortion, is the childs father.....and that's where this "It's my body" thing always seems to pop up. As in the fathers not going to have to carry the baby and give birth, which seems to be what justifies excluding the father from the decision. Yes a great amount of fathers will not try to stop someone they got pregnent from having an abortion and many of them will dissapear and try not to pay child support, etc if the child is born.
Only the most mature, responsible man would ever take serious action as to stop the woman from having the abortion. I believe these men should have every right to stop it.

And please don't say yet again that the body goes through changes and it would be easier on you to abort then give away your baby after seeing it and holding it......That would be pretty hard huh? Always thinking about the child for the rest of your life, wondering what he/she is like etc. In the cases I'm talking about you would still be able to see the kid as long as youre not stopped for some legal reason.....anyway just get your tubes tied and forget about it :)

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Justice4all

04-06-2002, 08:56 PM

I am Pro-choice. God gave me and everyone on this earth free will and that also means the right to choose.
Pro choice does not tell you to have the abortion...it says you have the CHOICE to have one or not...Pro life does not even give you the right to choose. I was not put on the planet to be controlled by small minded people. And on a smiliar note...I was behind a woman who was Pro life and also a NRA member...weird huh? I guess to her it was all in the timing.

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04-06-2002, 09:26 PM

Ok belive it or not I am actually less cynical than I was a few years ago, thanks to the works of joseph campell and a new found appreciation for cannibis. So I have to say That I am pro evrything that I am pro everything that thins out humanity. Simply put we Humans are living way too long. Due to advancements in medical technology. So in order to balance out the scales via technology we now have safe and effective ways to shed the mortal coil. So because of respirators, we balance the scales with abortion. For organ transplants we have Capitol Punishment. And for chemotherapy and radiation we have euthanasia. But as I was saying I'm not being cynical im talking more along the lines of univesal balance. I'm also someone who put his dog to sleep today so needless to say i'm high as a giraffes ass. 

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BoxerAF

04-06-2002, 09:37 PM

I'm Pro-Choice. There is no more precious gift than free will, and no one has the right to take that away!

Well said Darkone.

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Take it easy Clarkey,

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NewYorkDragons80

04-07-2002, 03:42 AM

But the worst part is that they will also be quick to brand a young woman "slut" or "whore". What is funny is these religious people (priests most especially) oppose pre-marital sex, yet these are the same people being indicted for pedophelia
So you will classify all religions by the small minority of priests. Sounds more than fair to me. I've never heard a priest call anyone a slut. In fact, when teenage girls decide to have their baby in my parish they are wholeheartedly supported, sometimes financially.

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Knocked

04-07-2002, 04:55 AM

This thread should be killed----it will only lead to trouble

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angrymissy

04-07-2002, 03:41 PM

anyway just get your tubes tied and forget about it

Did you know that most doctors won't tie your tubes unless you already have a child, or are over 30? I looked into it when I was 21 and they wouldn't do it

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NurseMira

04-07-2002, 03:56 PM

I would never get my tubes tied. I have a feeling that my maternal side will come out one day and I would regret it. I don't have anything against anyone who does it but I personally would never do it.

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04-07-2002, 06:58 PM

eff me boobs- Well if you're telling me this, I hope your piercings get infected.

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Heavy

04-08-2002, 01:52 PM

Mira my intent is not to give you a hard time about this but..........
I would never get my tubes tied. I have a feeling that my maternal side will come out one day and I would regret it.
I just think it's odd that you don't feel the same was towards having an abortion.....
This is the situation where yourit's my body damn it! line should come into effect. The focus of that proceedure would be on "your" body. In an abortion, the focus is on the child, not you. And if you disagree with me on that then "your" body is'nt "your" body at all...it's your mothers........
And I do know it's hard to get your tubes tied if your young or don't have several kids already or a medical issue........The same applies to men from what I understand......So why don't I ever hear people bitching about not having the right to do that????? It's your body right?

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NurseMira

04-08-2002, 02:23 PM

Yes Johnee...exactly...it's my body and my mothers...I guess. But, it sure isn't yours or your mothers. And, if I choose to have an abortion now, I think I should have the right to do so. I just said I would never get my tubes tied because I may want to have a child in the future. If I get pregnant and didn't plan it then why should I have it now if I am not mentally or financially prepared for it? 

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NurseMira

04-08-2002, 02:24 PM

In an abortion, the focus is on the child, not you.

Last time I checked....the fetus would be in MY womb :-)

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Poo Dukes

04-08-2002, 02:28 PM

Definitley pro-choice...everybody has the right to make their own decisions about their own bodies. This does not mean im pro-abortion, it just means everybody has a right to choose what they feel is best for them.

Heavy

04-08-2002, 02:30 PM

Last time I checked....the fetus would be in MY womb

Not for long.

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Lulu

04-08-2002, 02:54 PM

Not for long.
why? are you trying to say your having a baby, johnny?

NurseMira

04-08-2002, 03:03 PM

I think what he meant was that the fetus wouldn't be in my womb for long if I was having an abortion. 

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Heavy

04-09-2002, 01:16 PM

NurseMira

04-09-2002, 05:58 PM

No, I actually meant that it would'nt be in there for long if you carried it full term.
Mira everytime you respond to something i said, It's like you did'nt even read my words from the other posts......You just asked once again why you should have to have a kid if you're not ready.....I answered that about 3 days ago. #1 dont get pregnent #2 if the father wants full responsibility you can move away and not burden yourself and #3 If dad doesnt want it either, then abort...

#1: Telling me NOT to get pregnant is just silly. If I can help it then I am sure I wouldn't be in any sort of situation

#2: I would never go through pregnancy, give up the child, and then have to move so I can be away from the baby. That is just something that I can't see myself doing.

#3: If I don't want to have the baby and the father doesn't want it then, yes, I sure has hell going to abort.

So, what I am trying to say is that it is still my choice when it comes to what I want to do in my life....therefore...I am PRO-CHOICE

There...I read your post.

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Heavy

04-09-2002, 06:21 PM

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04-09-2002, 06:31 PM

Pro-choice all the way.

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NurseMira

04-09-2002, 06:39 PM

Mira like I said you did'nt read my posts from days ago but anyway you're gonna think what you want and ignore anything I say that you actually agree with just because ....... Listen I have no problem with this abortion issue anyway untill you try to kill MY son or daughter so let's make sure you don't get pregnent with my kid Mira, and I'll never have any problems with you BTW some people here speak of this abortion thing almost like it's a cosmetic surgery which is alittle disturbing 

I read your posts and I don't ignore anything. I just broke down your last post but I think you're the one who is ignoring me. Just because I am arguing your point and not agreeing with it....now you'd rather accuse me of ignoring you. 
Also, how in the world do you dare to say that until I decided to KILL YOUR SON...I shouldn't get pregnant with your child? Might as well call me a babykiller... 

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04-09-2002, 06:45 PM

pro choice...there are too many kids who are neglected in this world.
IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE THEM, DON'T HAVE THEM!!!

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Heavy

04-09-2002, 06:47 PM

I read your posts and I don't ignore anything.

You didnt have shit to say a few days ago except that you would'nt tie your tubes, which was not atall the point of what I was making at the time...
I shouldn't get pregnant with your child?

Not if you're gonna do something to harm it..
Might as well call me a babykiller...

Well like I've said the whole time, I only have a problem when it' MY kid that's involved and babykiller probally would'nt be the worse thing I would call you BUT if you were someone I knew and If it wasnt my kid, I would hug you and help you through it and would never tell you it's wrong so....

Tell them Johnny Wadd was here

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NurseMira

04-09-2002, 07:04 PM

You didnt have shit to say a few days accept that you would'nt tie yur tubes, which was not atall the point of what I was saying at the time...

Can you bring up the post that you're accusing me of ignoring...

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angrymissy

04-09-2002, 07:08 PM

jonewadd - YOURE MALE - YOU'LL NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING PREGNANT, THEREFORE YOUR OPINION IS NULL AND VOID TO ME

And babykiller is a fucking awful, hurtful thing to say... try and present your point in a more adult manner

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04-09-2002, 07:14 PM

im pro...not haveing kids at all. ..kids suck...they take way from adults........you should have to get a permit to have them...there are more unwated babies..then unwanted cats and dogs

BoxerAF

04-09-2002, 07:14 PM

Angry missy, while i disagree with Mr. Wadds position, Ibelive that he does have a right to voice his opinion, and to dismiss someone by gender is wrong. Abortion is a moral issue. To dismiss someone on the basis of gender is too simplistic and contarian for a message board.

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spound

04-09-2002, 07:31 PM

It seems like it is really hard to assume what others have and haven't read over the board.

pro-choice

and to all the anti-abortioners aout there, what about a rape scenario.

Heavy

04-09-2002, 08:36 PM

Mira,

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should she have to burden herself with a child??
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No she should'nt have to "burden" herself with a child and she wouldnt have to if the father is taking the chld after birth......
Somehow I turned out looking pro-life to some people here......I say if you have a one night stand and get pregnent, have an abortion. If you get raped, have an abortion. If it's incest, have an abortion. If you're 15, 16, 17 or any other age, have an abortion. If you're happilly married and don't want a kid, have an abortion.
And no,I don't think it would be easy for any pregnent woman to do this.
I think the only person on earth that should be able to stop any woman from having an abortion, is the childs father.....and that's where this "It's my body" thing always seems to pop up. As in the fathers not going to have to carry the baby and give birth, which seems to be what justifies excluding the father from the decision. Yes a great amount of fathers will not try to stop someone they got pregnent from having an abortion and many of them will dissapear and try not to pay child support, etc if the child is born.
Only the most mature, responsible man would ever take serious action as to stop the woman from having the abortion. I believe these men should have every right to stop it.

And please don't say yet again that the body goes through changes and it would be easier on you to abort then give away your baby after seeing it and holding it......That would be pretty hard huh? Always thinking about the child for the rest of your life, wondering what he/she is like etc. In the cases I'm talking about you would still be able to see the kid as long as youre not stopped for some legal reason.....anyway just get your tubes tied and forget about it

The only thing you ha to say to all that was you don't want your tubes tied. I think all your questin and points are answered/responded to in that post.
And Missy,
jonewadd - YOURE MALE - YOU'LL NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING PREGNANT, THEREFORE YOUR OPINION IS NULL AND VOID TO ME

And babykiller is a fucking awful, hurtful thing to say... try and present your point in a more adult manner

I dont thinkn I'm the one presenting myself in an unadult manner. First off I never even brought up he baby killer thing, Mira did and I just responded to it. And it might be you that needs you act like an adult....To tell me I have no right because I can't get pregnent is ridiculous...Before and after the birth the child is as much mine as it would be yours but you wont admit that because then you're entire point is shot down if you admit it to yourself. You will not allow yourself to consider anything besides "it's your body" because you would have to address the real issue which is the child.....please read my post that i pasted above and you will see I am very pro-choice......I will go so far as to say abortions should be mandatory in certain situations.....But anyway I don't think you're wrong for the abortions you've had and I don't tink you're bad person either....
I think my most important statemnt was this
Only the most mature, responsible man would ever take serious action as to stop the woman from having the abortion. I believe these men should have every right to stop it.

All I'm saying is don't do "you know what" to MY kid and we're fine

Tell them Johnny Wadd was here

angrymissy

04-10-2002, 04:21 AM

you have the right to belive whatever you want, but MY belief is that a man has no right telling me what to do about abortion... becuase he can't have a baby. If there was some way where if i didn't want to carry the baby and the man did, and i could magically transport the fetus and HE could carry it for 9 months, then that would be different. Thats my view. And I have no regret or shame for having abortions in the past. It was a choice I had to make, and I'm GLAD I made. Letting a man decide that he wants to keep the baby when the woman doesn't, a man could use that as a means to trap the woman into having a relationship with him, even if HE doesn't want to really keep the baby. I don't know if i'm making sense becuase its too early and im half awake :)

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04-10-2002, 06:24 PM

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I think the only person on earth that should be able to stop any woman from having an abortion, is the childs father.....

Yes, but how many fathers out there can guarantee that they will be there after the baby is born? I have several friends who said that they would be there, they would stick around and then leave the woman with the baby. That is so cliche these days that you can't say that it's unheard of. So please...spare me.

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Heavy

04-10-2002, 07:06 PM

Mira,
Apparentlly you once again only picked the part that is easy for you to respond to.....did you not notice when I said
Yes a great amount of fathers will not try to stop someone they got pregnent from having an abortion and many of them will dissapear and try not to pay child support, etc if the child is born.

I guess you missed that line and skipped to he next one......I think it should be set up so that when a woman goes for an abortion she should need the fathers consent......I could care less about her parents consent if she's underage......but I mean to say that if the father does'nt give his consent it should become a legal issue where the guy would have to.....I guess I cn compare it to filing for costody of the unborn child. In this case he would waive any right to childsupport and it wold be understood that the mother will not be involved in anyway, if thats what it takes. I'm not talking aout some dickhead that say's he wants t be involved just because he likes the girl, it would take alot more than just his word.....He would have to go to court just like someone gettng divorced or seeking child support.....
I believe the father should have this right

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angrymissy

04-11-2002, 05:09 AM

I think it should be set up so that when a woman goes for an abortion she should need the fathers consent......

That has too many opportunities for men to use pregnancy to control women - think your girlfriend is going to leave you? Get her pregnant and MAKE her have the baby, then she'll be stuck with you forever - I've SEEN men do this to women, and making it mandatory to get a fathers consent before abortion just makes it easier for men to abuse women... also what would you do if the woman didn't know who the father was?

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fatty

04-11-2002, 06:11 AM

it comes down to this. if a father wants the baby and the mother doesn't, there are 2 differening opinions. but since the mother HAS to carry the baby, HER decision is the ultimate one.

by your rational johneewald, there are 2 people who disagree but you are automaticaly giving the end decision to the man, even though he doesn't have to carry the child. how does that make sense? fine, you're arguement is the man is just as much a parent, so they are 50-50. but if 50% wants it and 50% doesn't, how do you go to the side that doesn't actually have the baby? that is giving the man more of a choice, even though they do not give birth.

what i'm wondering, if the man wants an abortion and the woman doesn't, does she have to get once since he is just as much the parent? going by your rationale she would have to get an abortion because it's his child too. just looking for a little consistency.

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Heavy

04-11-2002, 02:26 PM

. just looking for a little consistency.

Both parents want child=have child. Niether parent wants child= abort. Mother OR Father wants chld= have child

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fatty

04-12-2002, 10:38 AM

if the decision is split 50-50, why must the choice be to keep the baby? what is the rationale that keeping the baby is more prominent than not keeping it? sure that may be your opinion, but there is nothing that makes that opinion a fact.

it maybe what you believe, but when a decision is 50-50 one cannot simply go to the choice of having the baby because one says so. that is based on an opinon, not a fact.

however, if it is 50-50, the only person who should have anymore say is the person carrying the baby, for even though there is a split opinion, it is a fact that the baby HAS to be carried by the woman, therefore her decision should be weighed more. it is a fact that she carries the baby for 9 months, not an opinion. if i'm missing any of your previous points i apologize, i read them before but i can't go through all of them again.

but, in a 50-50 split decision, there is no fact saying the baby should be born, only an opinion.

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08-03-2002, 11:33 PM

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Tall_James

08-04-2002, 03:42 AM

I am of two minds on this topic.

The first is that I truly believe that abortion should be legal in the cases of rape or incest. No question. No woman should be made to carry a baby that she could not prevent resulting from an act of violence.

However, I also believe that abortion is too easy of an answer for many irresponsible people that I have met. What I call "serial abortionists", women who have had 4 or more abortions, should not be allowed to be doing this. Get your tubes tied if you do not want the first baby and aren't planning to have one in the future. If you are planning to have a baby in the future, the man and woman will hopefully use contraception and not be idiots and fall into the same trap again.

Am I proposing the "Federal Bureau of Pregnancy"? No, of course not. I don't have the answer. No one truly does because this argument is always raging.

I believe that life starts at conception. And I also believe that the government should not be paying for abortions (except in cases of rape or incest).

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blakjeezis

08-04-2002, 09:50 AM

Do I think abortion is the killing of, not neccessarily a child, but the potential of a life? Yes.
Do I think it's right? Not really.
Should it be illegal? No.

I know that not everyone shares my opinion on this. That is exactly why the government should stay out of it. I know that it is an intensely, intensely personal choice, and that's why it is impossible to legislate.

The only issue I take is the marginalizing of men when it comes to it. Now, I understand that there are low-life, scumbag, deadbeats out there that should have no say in the matter. They deserve nothin short of castration. But that ain't me. If a woman I was with became pregnant (touch wood), and decided to keep the baby, I would be expected to help, raise, nurture and provide for that baby. A responsibility I would gladly accept. Just because I don't carry the baby for nine months or give birth to him, doesn't mean my life is not irrevocably changed by his existence. The decision to abort or not should be as much my decision as hers.

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08-04-2002, 04:32 PM

Pro-choice. I've got a daughter, a wife, and a sister. It's their lives, their bodies. And given the way the way we are risking fucking the whole world up
in a few decades do to rampent overpopulation, I don't buy the "life is sacred" argument.
Humans are at this point simply too much of a good thing.

erole

08-04-2002, 06:55 PM

Either way, I'm glad that my mother, who was 22 when she had me out of wedlock, didn't abort me. My aunt told me she thought about it, and we'll just say that it was a situation where she did not choose to be pregnant.
I'm glad she chose the road that led to me breathing.
No one here knows me well enough to know what I've been through, but I will say, as a male even, I know all there is about this issue.
I know enough to know that some people will not budge. That pride, or enlightened morality, or acute humanism, or fear will never truly hear this argument for what it truly is. That some people will just leave you alone in what you believe is true, as long as you do the same for them.
I said enough. I'm pro-life. I believe that being pro-choice is wrong. My faith does determine my beliefs, just as truth determines right or wrong. Before anyone thinks I'm some abortion clinic bomber, or a pig-headed pompous dingleberry with flies on the side - What I have been through in life justifies me explaining myself now. That I love all people regardless of what they "feel" or what they choose. That a friend of mine will always find my door open no matter what they choose. That I will help anyone in need, and do what I can to help them to any lengths. And I'd still help them even if they did something that went against my beliefs. Love, forgiveness, and sacrifice. I call it a life.
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03-01-2003, 02:39 AM

What a great series of arguments here, yet heated. I hate to do this to the mods and revive a "dead topic" but bring up one that is lively and hot. And see how people have changed on this discussion. The follwing quote I use comes directly from a quote I wrote less than a year ago:

The girl has to suffer the consequences of that seed for 9 months after that.

It is easy for men to take the pro-choice/pro-life debate. And what I say to this is think of the women/woman you get pregnant. Yes is the good lord blessing you with a miracle, yet that miracle may come at the wrong time in your life. I mean look at the statistics for Christs sakes (And personally I hate looking at statistics) but people making less than 25K a year tended to have larger families. Why? Cause all they have to do with their time is fucking.

I know from experience that I had a girl who went through a decision to abort a child. And I must admit that it is a decision that isnt an easy one to live with. I am not pro-claiming pro-life doctrine either, just the fact I couldnt feed myself and her let alone a child. So that is a conscious and good decision for myself and my personal aspect. Im sure many will deplore me, but sometimes the human mind needs only something that is relatable to other men. I bring this up now more so then ever before cause of Bush's very conservative (I miss Yerdaddy to back me up on this, free that mofo MODS) views to do away with abortion in his own subtle ways.

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03-01-2003, 06:27 AM

I was brought up pro abortion but after time my views have changed. I've become anti-death penalty and to be consistant with that thinking, I've become more pro life(but not the religious fanatic type) I just think there are alternatives to scrambling the eggs. The hospital dropoff for infants is a great idea. Maybe even payment for going full term with a baby. (The Catholic Church could cough up a few bucks to save lives)

It's easy for us to say kill it because we are here already. I sure didn't want to be aborted and although my life isn't all that great, I'm still happy to be here.

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03-01-2003, 08:54 AM

pro abortion

Pro choice, you mean?

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03-01-2003, 09:52 AM

pro abortion

Being Pro-choice doesn't mean you're pro-abortion.

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03-01-2003, 05:46 PM

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03-01-2003, 06:01 PM

I had an abortion six year ago on April 7th. I think about it everyday. At the time, I didn't even think twice about going through with the pregnancy because the "father" was a drug addict. I know it was the best thing that I can do at the time but not a single day goes by that I don't think about it.

I am not saying that I am "pro-life" or anything like that. I just want to make it clear that what I did wasn't a method of birth control just so I can continue with my life without any burdens...it was something I had to do at the time.

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shamus mcfitzy

03-01-2003, 06:17 PM

i'm pro-choice. If killing a fetus is a sin, then those who get abortions will go to hell. So really i'm pro-choice-to-go-to-hell

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03-01-2003, 06:47 PM

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03-01-2003, 07:00 PM

i was thinking more about liek mojo from the x-men comics ironically. So i view that fetus as an evil mastermind

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03-01-2003, 09:42 PM

I was temped to engage here but I'll just leave it at I'm Pro-Life 100%.

Everything else.....2%

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03-01-2003, 10:25 PM

Pro-choice

I had an abortion 18 years ago. The father was a loser and no longer in my life. He never knew and I am glad I dont have a 17 year old loser in my life.

clubberlang

03-02-2003, 12:28 AM

ChickenHawk, that ugly ass kid should've been scraped.

i pitty the fool that don't eat my cereal!

NewYorkDragons80

03-02-2003, 05:48 AM

Being Pro-choice doesn't mean you're pro-abortion.
And being pro-life doesn't make you anti-choice. I respect your views and have never referred to the other side as pro-abortion, because they obviously are not.

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TooCute

03-02-2003, 08:31 AM

And being pro-life doesn't make you anti-choice

Yes it does. Otherwise you'd be pro-choice.

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03-02-2003, 09:31 AM

If you personally believe that abortion is wrong, yet think that other women have the right to make their own decisions regarding abortion, than you are pro-choice.

You would be anti-choice if you thought other women were wrong for having abortions, and wanted abortion criminalized.

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03-02-2003, 02:21 PM

You would be anti-choice if you thought other women were wrong for having abortions, and wanted abortion criminalized.

What do you call a person, like me, who thinks abortion should be safe, legal, and very rare, therefore does not think abortion should be criminalized, yet is "pro-life"?

Criminalizing abortion would just drive many women underground, and would result in more deaths (the unborn child and the mother as a result of an increase in botched abortions or suicide.) There are also cases, such as when the mother's life is in danger, or in the case of rape or incest, where abortion should be an option.

I think Nurse Mira's original question was whether each respondent was "pro-choice" or "pro-life." I have a problem with the term pro-choice, because it is geared towards the woman, and is always associated with "her right to choose." What about the guy? He is 50% responsible for the pregnancy, but it always seems that when it comes down to it, he has 0% say in the matter, just because it is the woman who is carrying the unborn child. I would have a child now if an ex-girlfriend did not decide to end the pregnancy, and although I did the right thing by her, I had absolutely no say in the decision to terminate. If science allowed it, I would have gladly endured the labor pains, morning sickness, labor, whatever, so a child could have been born to this world to at least one loving parent. I find it interesting that many women look at this as a women's rights issue, i.e. control of their own bodies. What about the unborn child? Who protects their rights? As a man of science, biology and medicine, I believe that life begins at conception.

So what is the flaw in my position? That it is morally ambiguous for me to espouse a belief that abortion is murder, but for me to still feel that it should be legal. But murder happens every day, and I don't feel laws can prevent it. Consistent with my views on the sanctity of life, I am also against the death penalty, in ALL cases, as I find it arbitrary and in many cases capriciously meted out. A civilized society should not stoop down to the level of the crime committed.

But these, of course, are my personal views, and I do not judge individuals on theirs. As an agnostic my views are also not clouded by any religious dogma.

Bottom line men: take an active role in using birth control. It can happen to you. And if it does, your opinion means jack shit. You will be blamed, you will be held responsible, yet you will be powerless. If that does happen, take the high road and do the right thing by the woman, you need not make matters worse for her. But you are better off avoiding the dilemma all together and to wear a jimmy cap until you and your partner plan on a pregnancy. Don't trust chance or her. If more people did this, this entire topic would be moot.

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shamus mcfitzy

03-02-2003, 02:27 PM

I had an abortion 18 years ago. The father was a loser and no longer in my life. He never knew and I am glad I dont have a 17 year old loser in my life.

you're almost definietly not, but are you calling your "child" a loser. That was just the first thing that I thought. If not, the guy would be much older now, unless you......you screwed a baby didn't you? You monster........

LilLibra

03-02-2003, 02:30 PM

Being a woman myself, I am definitely pro-choice. I would not push my beliefs on anyone else. Pro-life supporters are trying to get their point of view across but they've been doing it the wrong way. They've gone from pulling out the bible belt to holding demonstrations in front of abortion clinics. However, because I and all women have the right to choose what we want to do, I support the right to continue having that choice.

If a woman decides to have an abortion, I'd rather it be somewhere with a physician who knows what they're doing and can ensure her safety, as opposed to her being forced to go to great lengths on her own. I've heard some horrible stories of what women have done to terminate their pregnancies because abortion is illegal where they live. In the U.S. where we supposedly fight to the death for freedom, we shouldn't fight amongst each other about which freedoms we can have.

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03-02-2003, 02:43 PM

In the U.S. where we supposedly fight to the death for freedom, we shouldn't fight amongst each other about which freedoms we can have.

Yeah, like the freedom to kill innocent people.

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NewYorkDragons80

03-02-2003, 03:32 PM

You would be anti-choice if you thought other women were wrong for having abortions, and wanted abortion criminalized.

I am also anti-choice when it comes to state's rights in allowing certain people to choose slavery.

Of course, no one is pro-slavery. Some just believe in the right to allow people to take command of a cluster of cells, whether those cells are that of a fetus or an African.

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RapeFantasizer

03-02-2003, 06:14 PM

Maybe even payment for going full term with a baby
That would just prompt more people who don't want babies to get pregnant so they could get the money.

I'm most definitely pro-choice. The thing I hate most is when people say that women who get abortions are being selfish. Granted most of it has to do with where she is in her life and whether she could handle it, but some of it is her thinking about the baby. If she can't afford to raise it, the child will grow up in poverty, possibly without even healthcare, etc.

The logical argument is to then carry the fetus full term, and give it up for adoption, but anyone who has not given birth cannt tell someone to do that. I do not have a child, but I can imagine that giving one up after you had it grow inside of you for 9 months is not the easiest thing to do.

LiquidCourage

03-02-2003, 06:43 PM

These people aren't "Pro Choice", they're pro- abortion.

That's got to be the most ridiculious thing I've ever heard.

I'm pro abortion, actually.

Doogie

03-02-2003, 07:05 PM

These people aren't "Pro Choice", they're pro- abortion.

That's got to be the most ridiculious thing I've ever heard

It is not sooo much that people are for abortions. But they should have the right to choose if they want to give the child up for adoption, have an abortion, or keep the child. No one should impede on that, and that is the fundamental issue with the pro-life, pro-choice arguments. A woman, and her significant other should have the right to choose. You will hear people argue all the fundamental issues of rape, incest, etc. These are the extremes, yet they are part of the reasons for 'choice'. However it is important to note that people are missing the key argument is choice. I said it once, Ill say it again, Ill say it a third time. As a man I personally feel that it is no right for me to decide on how a woman treats her body. And I can not decide on how she should handle her reproductive organs, and no other man should make a decision like that either.

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LiquidCourage

03-02-2003, 07:30 PM

I understand it, but it makes it sound like they want choice for other things. They don't want you to have a choice, just what they want you to have.

It goes for the so called pro life people. They're not pro life, considering most support the death penalty.

It should be simply "pro abortion" and "anti abortion".

angrymissy

03-02-2003, 08:53 PM

Being pro-choice does NOT in any way mean I want women to go out and have abortions. It also does not mean I think abortion is always the right answer.

It means that I believe a woman, when pregnant, should be able to make her own choice on whether or not to continue her pregnancy.

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03-02-2003, 09:07 PM

I think the fact of the matter is that even though we were all put on this planet seperately the kind of world we have forged is that of striving unoriginality and the only way to achieve that is to conform to the same belief systems such as (religion, politcs, etc.). The Problem begins when people start to realize how strong their own willpower is then everything goes to shit. And thats what makes the world go round, dont conform you ideas for anything bc nothing is worth more and dont consent to any ideas that would change what you think is right in your own mind.Every opinion should be respected bc without one another there would be no truth.

i am personally pro-choice.

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03-03-2003, 06:37 AM

Pro-choice

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03-03-2003, 07:39 AM

I dont think we would have to worry about abortions once the RU-486 pill is available in every pharmacy.

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TooCute

03-03-2003, 07:43 AM

I dont think we would have to worry about abortions once the RU-486 pill is available in every pharmacy.

RU-486 causes abortion.

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03-03-2003, 07:46 AM

Pro-choice. We have the right to choose.

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03-03-2003, 08:34 AM

Pro-choice but I get increasingly uncomfortable with the concept of abortions after 8 weeks conception. I guess because I have kids and I know what was happening at each stage of gestation. I really get horrified by those late abortion procedures. I think they are wrong. It is your body but if you decide to end the pregnancy, the earlier you can do it the better. Later on it just gets into more and more morally ambiguous territory.

The Chairman

03-03-2003, 12:49 PM

As a man I personally feel that it is no right for me to decide on how a woman treats her body. And I can not decide on how she should handle her reproductive organs, and no other man should make a decision like that either.

Use this line on most women. It will definitely get you laid. Just use protection. Then again you're pro-choice, so who cares, you and the woman can always abort the child if she gets pregnant.

I could be called pro-choice if that means I believe abortion should be legal. But I'm a man. There lies the problem. Where's my choice? There is none for me.

I just don't buy the argument that the unborn child is in the woman's body, therefore she "controls" it. I don't think government should. Nor, as I stated in a previous post, do I think abortion should be outlawed. I just clearly believe that life begins at conception, therefore abortion is murder. And I therefore am stating that I believe murder should be legal in some cases (abortion), albeit very rare, because overturning Roe vs. Wade will just cause more deaths.

As long as the pro-choice people associate us pro-lifers with little old ladies who go to church everyday and are told what to do by pedophile priests or militant crazy uneducated fanatics, you're going to be fine. Your worst nightmare is going to be when you have to debate educated pro-life scientists, who unfortunately are either too liberal or too busy on other things to join the debate on the side of the more vociferous pro-lifers.

I was pro choice until the situation happened to me. My girlfriend was pro-life. Her position before getting pregnant was "I won't judge anyone and am pro-choice for other people but I could never do it." Then, when it happened to her, a 30 year old woman in a long term healthy relationship with a loving and supportive man, she decided in less than 5 minutes to terminate because "it was unexpected and does not fit in to my 5-year plan." I paid for everything, got her the best doctor, was extremely supportive. The relationship did not survive. The only good to come out of it was that the experience changed me into being pro-life, and that I now know I am not special and it could happen to me (again).

So I again ask the question...what do you call a person like me who thinks abortion should be legal, safe, and rare, but does not want to be associated with the term "pro-choice" because it implies a choice always for the woman....because I know form experience the man's opinion means jack shit.

I guess my view does not fit neatly in a soundbite term, but I would guess I would be pro-life personally but for keeping abortion legal, if that makes sense.

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LiquidCourage

03-03-2003, 01:56 PM

I believe RU 486 prevents the egg from sticking to the wall, technically not an abortion.

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03-03-2003, 02:05 PM

pro-choice here. it's her body.

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03-03-2003, 02:14 PM

I'm Pro- Choice, my take is one DICK NO vote!

NewYorkDragons80

03-03-2003, 03:59 PM

They're not pro life, considering most support the death penalty.
Personally, I am pro-life and against the death penalty. I have no scientific evidence, but a lot of people I post with at LIPolitics.com who are pro-life tend to be against the death penalty. Maybe somebody can find a poll. The Catholic Church has a lot of "propaganda" against both abortion and the death penalty, but the abortion pamphlets far outweigh the death penalty. Maybe that's a gap they should fill.

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