Time To Deport ALL Illegal Arabs!

[The Blowhard]

I stress "illegal" here. You can call them "undocumented", but I say we round them up and send them back to the desert.
No? How would you like a "dirty bomb" or a "suicide bomber" up your arse?
It's true that they will strike again, it's only a matter of time, so why not lessen the odds and round them up?
Remember: "ILLEGAL". Last time I checked it was against the law for them to be here.



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[The Nature Boy]

I"m down with deporting the legal ones too.

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[A.J.]

There are a lot of illegal aliens that need to be deported -- not just Arabs. Al Qaeda has operatives from Africa and the Pacific Rim too.

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LINE 'EM UP. SHOOT 'EM DOWN. F*CK 'EM ALL.

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[DarkHippie]

the problem is, we can't discriminate here. I find racial profiling morally wrong (besides, who's to say that they don't just pay some other poor non-arab guy to do it) If we are going to start deporting, we have to do it across the board.

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[HordeKing1]

1. Way past time.
2. Not just the illegal ones
3. Deportation of living humans is second best. It would be far better to kill them first.

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[Yerdaddy]

I say we all get our pitchforks and torches and we chase them down to the old windmill where we can BUUURN EM ALIVE!!! Come on people stay in the paranoid mob now and watch those scythes!

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[mrbungle]

1. Way past time.
2. Not just the illegal ones
3. Deportation of living humans is second best. It would be far better to kill them first.

WOW! Horde King supporting mindless murder...I love it!

We really should just get rid of them all...I think it's fair to say 90% ar rude and nasty to us when not plotting our deaths, so screw 'em...but keep the Mexicans, my lawn will get out of hand.


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[Hawiian shirt craig]

Listen, forget RACIAL profileing, lets find the fucking
people who want to kill us for being jewish, white,
rich, christian, bah-hai, the wrong flavor of muslim
or even just AMERICAN!

bottom line: start carpet bombing at the isreali
border, and stop at the chinese border. super heat
the whole mother fucker to a nice big piece of glass.

they must all SNARFLE THE GARTHOG!!!!!!!

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[sunndoggy8]

Racism towards legal Arab US citizens...yeah that's progress.

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[The Blowhard]

Racism is wrong, but if the freaking Swedes were smashing planes into buildings I would keep an eye on them.
We are so concerned about hurting people's feelings these days, we have to get serious, this is WAR.
As for racial profiling, it must be done with good judgement and discretion.
Think about this: when the Feds were going after the mob did they or did they not racial profile Italians? They targeted Italians, not Mormons in Utah. It's reality, and it's a very useful method in law enforcement when it's not abused.


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[DarkHippie]

bottom line: start carpet bombing at the isreali
border, and stop at the chinese border. super heat
the whole mother fucker to a nice big piece of glass.
Yeah!! We'll leave Australia, don't wanna hurt no kangaroo. we'll make it an american theme park. they got surfin' too!!!

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[Garfield]

I agree with the idea that we shouldnt discriminate...deport all the illegal SOB's...if youre not allowed to be here then go where youre supposed to be.

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[Butters]

We can always get my millions of clone to do it....arg

Cause its butters

Well thats me

[furie]

Hey, I'm all for the deportation of
illeagal aliens, no matter the
country of origin. when i was in
INS, it was the only bright spot of
the job. Nothing like bringing
some filthy animal to the plane in
shakels. Warms the heart.

Now I said all illeagals, but for
obvious reasons we should focus
muslims(not just arab muslims)

The only problem with this, INS is
not up to the task right now.
Biggest problems: not enough
agents, too many well
entrenched aliens, & ACLU


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[sunndoggy8]

I'm not really willing to get into a racial profiling debate, because I have so in the racial profiling thread that resides in this forum.

But as always, my problem is that it perpetuates racism and racist ideologies in law enforcement, and that is never a good idea.

Under your logic, you would then have to agree to racial profiling of blacks and other minorities. Sure I'm sure some people will come up with statistics that show that it should be done.

But thats not the problem I have with it. The problem is that it never will stay as a controlled and well planned way to capture criminals. It will be abused, and will be taken too far. Policies like this always are, and that will lead to worse problems than good solutions.

Someone should probably bring up the racial profiling thread thats in this forum, because that is a pretty good representation of what I think about it, if you're interested to see that is.

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[NewYorkDragons80]

Sunnydogg not to be a dick, but you can't have a thread about this without talking about racial profiling.

HK, I think it's disgraceful that you say Arab-Americans should all be killed. There was a time when that was the sentiment towards your people and a time when it was my people. Perhaps my father, a Vietnam veteran, should hunt down all Asians for being communists. You must consider that people come to America because there are problems in their home country. Most Arab-Americans probably hate living in an absolute monarchies. For some reason you seem to think every single Arab in the world has nothing better to do than to plot how to kill Jews. And what's more, they have nothing better to do than to spread that plan to a nation halfway across the world.

Are there Arab-Americans who are hideously evil? Yes, but the same goes for Jewish-Americans. In November, members of a militant Jewish group were arrested for conspiracy to murder a congressman. WHY did they want to kill this congressman? Because he was of Arab descent.

You don't think I know of the presence of Al Qaeda? I had a deli in my town which was owned by Al Qaeda and used as a front. They are here, but do not persecute those in your midst unjustifiably.

That being said, all illegal immigrants should be deported. But if you have papers, you're more than welcome to join the party.

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[Hawiian shirt craig]

i have an idea.... lets just find CRAZY people and
execute them... simple enough. mass graves,
machine guns... you do the math. and by crazy i
mean what to kill us for being american. troubled is
a whole different thing......

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[Lulu]

1. Way past time.
2. Not just the illegal ones
3. Deportation of living humans is second best. It would be far better to kill them first.
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[sunndoggy8]

Sunnydogg not to be a dick, but you can't have a thread about this without talking about racial profiling.


NewYorkDragon, I wasn't in mod mode saying that this thread couldn't be about racial profiling.

All I was saying was that I (me personally) didn't feel like getting into that sort of debate about things because I've done it before. Feel free to if you'd like to though, because like you said, it is applicable here.

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[Yerdaddy]

When did murder become an American value? Deporting illegals is one thing, but advocating murdering innocents because of their race like Horde King and his follwers are doing is something that makes me sick. My grandfather did not fight in World War 2 and spend two years in a German prison camp so that this country can out-genocide the Nazis like you people are calling for. And if you ever expect me to be quiet while you advocate this for my country, you can think again.

You are the biggest threat to America. Your ideas are what takes us one step closer to becoming what we hate. What you want America to become is a country that would no longer be worth fighting for. You disgrace the memory of everyone who has ever fought or died for the United States. And you make me ashamed to have you as fellow American.

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[Garfield]

When did murder become an American value? Deporting illegals is one thing, but advocating murdering innocents because of their race like Horde King and his follwers are doing is something that makes me sick.
Not many people are aware of this but I have heard first hand accounts of what they did to Arabic people that were arrested on 9/11, they were (and some still are) being held in Passaic County Jail with no contact with the outside world, very little food, no lawyer no phone call, the guards were slipping sleeping pills into their food, I didnt believe it when I saw it on the news, but a buddy of mine works for Passaic County and he told me this stuff is all true, he saw some of them. Isnt it better to just round em up and ship em out, we dont have to torture them, we dont have to kill them, the people and goverment of the horrible country they were trying to escape in the first place will do that for us. Lets not lower ourselves down to their level.
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[DarkHippie]

technically, being a jew, i am also a semite, and of the same bloodline as the arabs that are now so hated (both can be traced to abraham). therefore, to satisfy the bloodlust of certain people, I will now execute myself. I do this not for myself, but for my country, for all arabs are bad arabs, right?

yes, it's ridiculous, but so is the idea of genocide.

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[furie]

All I was saying was that
I (me personally) didn't feel like
getting into that sort of debate
about things because I've done it
before.


then why did you bring it up?
No one was talking about racial
profiling till you mentioned it. INS
doesn't need to profile, they
know who's illegal because
the INS computer system NIIS
tracks peple's entries and the
time they were admitted for. If
they don't leave, they're a flag in
the system.
Simple.

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[HordeKing1]

As a Jew whose father's family was completely wiped out in the camps, the idea that a Jew can have such misplaced values as loving those who want to kill you is just sad.

A consortium of nations unified with for the sole and express purpose of assuring your complete annihilation is NOT something to twiddle your thumbs at and wait to be shoved into the oven.

That will never happen again. The Arabs declared war on Jews (not just Israel.) Make no mistake about it. The Jews will finish it. And if that means committing genocide to prevent your OWN genocide, so be it. There's not even an ethical dillema in my view.

Here's an article and tape you should probably see, but most likely the Keyes show will be broadcast once then pulled.

From WorldNetDaily.com

Monday, June 17, 2002
Arafat videos on MSNBC tonight

Keyes to show clips from documentaries available only at WND

Posted: June 17, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern

Ac 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

Stunning videos of Arab atrocities and violence training -- which are available only on WorldNetDaily.com -- will be featured tonight on MSNBC's "Alan Keyes is Making Sense." The entire first half-hour of Keyes' groundbreaking show, which begins at 10 p.m. Eastern, will feature clips from "Israel and the War of Images" and "The Trojan Horse."

These explosive tapes, made by French film maker Pierre Rehov, contain actual footage from Palestinian Authority television documenting Yasser Arafat's call for destruction of the Jewish people and annihilation of Israel. They also document the brainwashing of Arab children with attitudes of hatred and violence toward the Jewish people. Unique to these films is that they state no outside opinion, but merely show what is aired on Palestinian TV with translations in both French and English. Already, over 40,000 copies of these tapes have been distributed in France.


People, loving your enemy is misplaced, foolish and dangerous thinking. 50 years from now when the Arabs are but a fading memory, we can sit around, pass the peace pipe and debate morals. I can assure you that if WE aren't doing it in the future, the Arabs will be.

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[Knowledged_one]

I think the original idea of this thread was to support nationalism among americans. And all illegals should be deported we have enough trouble clothing, schooling, and finding jobs for americans without illegal aliens hurting the chances. And think of this a job an american would do for minimum wage an illegal alien will do for half that and hurts our economy. I think it is also a matter of trust--I'm an engineer and i know alot of my classes were taught by arabs especially my aerospace classes where there were plenty of groups of arab students--who are here on what is called a "student visa" which basically means come here get a world class education and then go back.
Maybe if there is another attack on U.S. soil more drastic measures will be taken perhaps inline with the concentration camps we had for the japaneese during WW II who knows, but do we really want a nation that resembles the movie "the Siege".
And one more thing if your grandfather fought in WW II while Japanesse were locked up in camps here and your ashamed of killing of innocents wouldnt your grandfather have been fighting a cause similar to Nazi soldiers? i.e. fighting without knowing everything that was going on

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[DarkHippie]

the idea that a Jew can have such misplaced values as loving those who want to kill you is just sad.
Yes, loving my fellow human being is morally reprehensible, and i should be ashamed.

You make it sound like your opinion is the opinion of all the Jewish people, while you are the only one I know of with this "kill em all, let Hashem sort 'em out" philosophy. Yes, murderers should be punished, but to kill people because of the color of their skin? No, Horde King, that, I would never do.

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[Yerdaddy]

HK - If you think that Israel is really at risk of suffering another genocide, then go to Israel and kill Arabs. But don't suggest that America should commit genocide, even to prevent one, (as if those were the only two options on the table). But the idea that Israel is under the threat of annihilation by the Arab world is stupid, and the fact that you cite a self-richeous ideologue like Alan Keyes and his anecdotal gibberish leads me to think that you don't even believe it yourself. Your sources of information have always been tainted by pro-Israel groups, (Alan Keyes, and the UN Watch - part of an Israeli lobbying group, for example), while you have dismissed the US State Department and the Mitchell Report as Arab propaganda. If you thought what you were saying might really be true, you'd consider other viewpoints. But you don't. I think you don't because you have decided this issue with your own hatred and fear, and not with reason.

Yes, there are extremists in all Islamic nations that would like to see Israel destroyed. And that extremism is the enemy of all peaceful peoples. However, the majority of Arabs just want the opportunity to live thier lives, and be left alone. Most Arab countries have governments that were not chosen by thier people, and serve the interests of the ruling class, and the oil-consuming nations that made them rich. The governments know that none of these countries would win a conventional war with Israel recieving $5 billion in military aid, credits and loan guarantees every year, and that doesn't take into consideration that Israel has had nuclear weapons since around 1970. A few extremists aside, they don't have any interests in seeing Israel destroyed becasue they have, in recent years, formed trade relationships with Israel that make them even richer. But they are under varying degrees of pressure from the extremists, which have learned, in this century, to exploit the poverty, repression, and lack of education and democracy to recriut followers and to commit acts of violence for thier cause. They even recieved help in fomenting extremism from the West in Afghanistan to defeat the Soviet Union.

Your enemy is extremism, not Arabs. It is the same extremism that also drives Israeli policy to be expansionist and to be so repressive of Palestinians. To make genocidal speeches on the floor of the Knesset is the same extremism as making speeches to Arabs about destroying Israel.

On a practical note, do you think it is possible to kill every Arab all at once? If not, what would you say to the rest to keep them from resorting to terrorism? We live in a time when small groups of people can wage war on superpowers. Conventional solutions like bombing them back to the stone
age will not solve the problem; it only breeds (and justifies) more hatred.

Your ideas are stupid, racist, and completely impractical. Your enemy, Horde King, is in your own heart. It's your own fear and hatred. Deal with it. But don't bring my country into it.

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Heckler,funny how you mentioned the"Swedes".They have been quiet for too long!They MUST be up to something.

What's the inside line?

[A.J.]

I'm an engineer and i know alot of my classes were taught by arabs especially my aerospace classes where there were plenty of groups of arab students--who are here on what is called a "student visa" which basically means come here get a world class education and then go back.


Knowledged One, you bring up a good point -- and one that gets overlooked by the general populous. This is a problem especially in regards to concerns about the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

Indeed, there are many foreign students that get a first-rate education in this country and return home to use it to benefit their native countries. Ideally, this can have tremendous benefits for Third World nations (particularly in "nation-building") but many of these students come from countries where such technological knowledge is often used to boost military capability. If they can't have their own people learn it, they will be more than happy to pay others for it.

This is not unique to Arab peoples either.

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[HordeKing1]

We've been over this many times before in many similar threads.

You know my opinion. I know yours. All I can say is that it reminds me of the old joke. Do you know what a liberal is? A liberal is a conservative before he gets mugged.

AJIMDC - The Iraquis have been going to the French for nuclear training litterally for decades. Fortunately Israel took out the Iraqui nuclear power plant with capabilities of making weapons grade plutonium about 20 years ago. They still haven't recovered from it.

Evil exists and it's just as evil to aid evil - more perhaps, b/c an abbetor is at least in theory capable of rational thought.


HIPPIE - "Let Hashem sort them out?" Don't you know by now that I'm atheist? I find that while religion isn't the root of all evil, it is used to justify all evil. Religion to me is indicative of psychosis - a break from reality. Any religion. And no, I'm not saying that religious people are psychotic. I think we're still a good many years away before humanity is ready for that little revelation. In the meantime, it's a crutch for individuals, it's a means of social and political and mind control.

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[Yerdaddy]

And one more thing if your grandfather fought in WW II while Japanesse were locked up in camps here and your ashamed of killing of innocents wouldnt your grandfather have been fighting a cause similar to Nazi soldiers? i.e. fighting without knowing everything that was going on
I have no idea what you're talking about.

HK - we have gone over this too often. And I'm tired of it, as I think you are. I think it's a waste of my time to keep it up. I ususally don't bother responding to the posts of simpletons ranting about Arabs, but I think you are more dangerous. Take that as flattery, or take it as an appeal to do some soul searching before you advocate the ultimate crime. Either way, I quit when you quit.

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[HordeKing1]

YERDADDY - That's the problem. You find a need to tell me to search my "soul." There is no such thing - it's a fairy tale, a fabrication.

Similarly, your definition of the "ultimate crime" is completely off target.

The ultimate crime, is presenting your throat to your executioner and going forth like lambs to the slaughter.

That, my friend is what you advocate for Jews and Americans, and eventually every religious nut who doesn't follow the teachings of the others god or gods.

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[Yerdaddy]

You find a need to tell me to search my "soul." There is no such thing - it's a fairy tale, a fabrication.
I'm an atheist too. You know what I meant.
The ultimate crime, is presenting your throat to your executioner and going forth like lambs to the slaughter.
That, my friend is what you advocate for Jews and Americans, and eventually every religious nut who doesn't follow the teachings of the others god or gods.
it's silly, but you can have the last word

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[The Blowhard]

NewYorkDragon, I wasn't in mod mode


NOW that's funny. What exactly is "mod mode". Oh wait, I know, you have super powers! :)
As for what is being said in this thread, all I suggested was a major deportation of ILLEGAL Arabs, and somehow it ended up being a discussion about genocide.
Genocide is NOT the asnwer, but neither is rewarding terrorism by creating a Palestinian state.
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[The Blowhard]

BALATA REFUGEE CAMP, West Bank ƒ?? Fourteen-year-old Saleh Attiti has replaced his once-precious PokAcmon cards with a less innocent craze that has swept up children in this violence-torn camp.

On a plastic coffee table in his cinder-block home, Saleh proudly displays part of his growing collection of necklaces with pictures of "martyrs" of the Palestinian uprising against Israeli occupation.

"I used to have plenty of PokAcmons ƒ?? my school bag was half full of them," Saleh said. "I threw them all away. They're not important now. The pictures of martyrs are important. They're our idols."

It's difficult to find a child in this teeming camp of 20,000 people who isn't wearing at least one necklace with a picture of a shahid, or "martyr" ƒ?? mostly militant gunmen killed or suicide bombers blown up during the 20-month-old uprising.

The children use them the way they once used cards of PokAcmon or sports heroes. They spend their meagre allowances to collect and trade them, constantly hunting for prized shahid pictures that excite like a vintage baseball card.

For Palestinian teachers, the craze in "martyr" necklaces is the latest example of children poised to become the next generation of fighters against Israeli occupation. Growing up in a culture of violence fuelled by both sides in the conflict, Palestinian children are adopting the uprising's militia fighters as role models.

"These children are convinced that martyrdom is a holy thing, something worthy of the ultimate respect," said Munir Jabal, head of a Balata teachers association. "They worship these pictures. I think it will lead them in the future to go out and do the same thing."

In Balata, a stronghold of the Fatah-linked Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades militia, the most highly sought after necklaces have pictures of Mahmoud Attiti, Raed Karmi, and Yasser Badawi, militia leaders assassinated by the Israeli army during the conflict.

The most recent hot item is a pendant of Jihad Attiti, the 18-year-old who became the camp's first suicide bomber two weeks ago by blowing himself up and killing two Israelis ƒ?? an 18-month-old baby and her grandmother ƒ?? in a Tel Aviv suburb.

"It works like this," says 12-year-old Assam Kandil, who boasts of having 30 necklaces. "If I have an extra one of Mahmoud Attiti, I will trade one for Yasser Badawi."

Added Saleh, a nephew of bomber Attiti: "We love them and we want to be like them."

The trend first appeared last November. A shopkeeper in the adjacent city of Nablus, Assam Kanaza, was producing plaques of civilians and militants killed in the fighting when a family asked him to produce a plastic medallion of their son.

Kanaza, 29, said the work was noticed by other families who lost loved ones, and new orders came in until the medallions snowballed into a popular phenomenon. Kanaza said he's produced more than 5,000 of them, and another 6,000 plaques and key chains ƒ?? all with the pictures of "martyrs."

The medallions are shipped to other parts of the Israeli-occupied West Bank, but the phenomenon is most evident in Balata and Nablus.

Kanaza's plastic medallions are the top end of the necklace craze and sell for 10 shekels a piece, about $3.30.

"Sometimes a child will say, `Don't you think that's too much,'" said Kanaza. "I say, `If you bring me half that much I will give it to you.' He comes back in a week with five shekels and he's very, very happy."

With Palestinian civilians or fighters killed on almost a daily basis, Kanaza's business is booming. Other merchants have jumped on the craze with a cheaper alternative to Kanaza's medallions. They mass-produce passport-size photos of the militants and slip them into transparent pendants. Those sell for just 65 cents.

At Balata, the craze is a by-product of a community that has seen some of the worst fighting in the uprising.

Since last February, the camp has been completely invaded three times by Israeli soldiers in search of militants and bomb-making workshops.

At the camps' school for boys, run by the United Nations' agency re

[DarkHippie]

Don't you know by now that I'm atheist?
Perhaps, hk, instead of arguing semantics, you actually listen to what other people have to say. i was using that play on a common theme (kill 'em all, let god sort them out) to show how your way of thinking is very common . . . in alabama trailer parks. Next time, instead of dissecting a post to use as ammo for your next attack, why don't you try to learn from it?

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[NewYorkDragons80]

You can sit here and attack Arafat all you want. Most people on this board will agree with you. But you are talking about killing every Arab living in America which is simply wrong any way you slice it. Arafat is not the best guy in the world, but he has nothing to do with what we are talking about. You can shield your comments with Arafat's actions, but it doesn't change what you said.

So far, your biggest argument is that the Palestinians want to destroy all Jews. And you in turn want to destroy all Palestinians. Are we supposed to side with either of you bloodthirsty animals?

Once again, there are some really bad Arabs out there and you should keep your eye out for them. But not all of them are like that.

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[Jackie Sloan]

Muslim extremists want to kill all Jews and all Americans, period. If those scumbags could've dropped 260 million fully fueled jets instead of 3, they would have. Oh wait, this is America so we should worry about their human rights. Bullshit - fuck 'em - they WILL kill you (are you in America? Yeah you!) given the chance. Never forget that. Personally I could care less how they feel because THEY'VE SHOWN EVERYONE WHAT THEIR GOAL IS: ANNILIHATION OF ISRAEL AND ALL OF HER ALLIES.

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[furie]

Once again we have gotten off topic. This thread is turning into the "Crash course" thread where people state their opionons, HK refutes them, and everyone then tries to combat HK.
Let's work together on the topic at hand, deportation


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[HordeKing1]

HIPPIE - How ironic that a man who incorrectly twisted the meaning of the word anti-Semite would now question my use of sematics

For your edification, Websters (and common usage) defines anti-Semitism as "hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group."

Not Arabs. Jews. Silly.

Oh and I would be greatful to see you post something I or others could learn from instead of your knee jerk misplaced anti american, anti jewish liberal ideas. The saddest part is that you don't even realize it.

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[DarkHippie]

knee jerk reaction? wouldn't the mass extermination of an entrie race be far more "knee jerk" than to show compassion?

As for un-american, i suggest you read the poem "the new colossus" it's pretty easy to find, it's on the base of the statue of liberty :

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame,
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

nowhere does it say "welcome to our land, unless you are a color we don't like, then we will butcher every member of you family. Give me your children, your wives, your pathetic refuse of society, so that we can destroy them, because we have lost all compassion, we only know hate.

now tell me again which is the knee jerk reaction

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[sunndoggy8]

Furie, if youre going to quote me, at least say something that makes sense if youre going to attempt to call me out on my opinions, or anything that Ive said. You said the following after quoting me:

then why did you bring it up? No one was talking about racial profiling till you mentioned it.

Furiie, I refer you to the following direct comments in posts that preceded mine:

Darkhippie: the problem is, we can't discriminate here. I find racial profiling morally wrong (besides, who's to say that they don't just pay some other poor non-arab guy to do it) If we are going to start deporting, we have to do it across the board.

Heckler: As for racial profiling, it must be done with good judgement and discretion.
Think about this: when the Feds were going after the mob did they or did they not racial profile Italians? They targeted Italians, not Mormons in Utah. It's reality, and it's a very useful method in law enforcement when it's not abused.

And a quote from YOU YOURSELF:

FURIE: Now I said all illeagals, but for obvious reasons we should focus muslims(not just arab muslims

My first post was pointing out that it was a little bit on the racist side to say to deport all legal arabs. To that, Darkhippie addressed racial profiling, HK addressed deporting all legal arabs, and Heckler made a comment after my comment on racism that I would take was partially in response to me saying previous comments were racist.

You said No one was talking about racial profiling till I mentioned it. Well YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG. COMPLETELY WRONG! OTHER PEOPLE BROUGHT UP RACIAL PROFILING!

I dont at all mind being called out on my opinions or comments, but if youre going to do so, at least say something that makes sense. Is that too much to ask?

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[Gvac]

Once upon a time, this great nation of ours operated under the rule of law, as outlined in the Constitution.

Activist judges in recent history have taken in upon themselves to write new laws from the bench, subverting (and perverting) the Constitution along the way.

NOWHERE in that document does it say we have to make exceptions for law breakers and enemies of our nation...the very idea of it is ludicrious. Heckler's original post said "...all ILLEGAL Arabs", and yes, they should be deported PRONTO. They are, after all, law breakers.

Liberal lawyers are now arguing that this Padilla scumbag (the dirty bomb suspect with Al Qaeda ties) has a First Amendment right to associate with whomever he wants. Ludicrous. It's treason, plain and simple. The First Amendment does not give anyone the right to associate with an orginazation whose sole purpose is to murder as many innocents as possible.

The founding fathers must have thought it was obvious that anyone who is a sworn enemy of the Constitution of the United States is not welcomed here. Unfortunately, it is not so obvious for some. Perhaps it's time for an Amendment stating it once and for all.

PS - Hippie, FYI, "The New Colossus" was a poem written by a private citizen. To site that as American law is faulty logic indeed. Did ANYBODY from this younger generation study the Constitution, or were the teachers too busy teaching you about "earth day" and other such nonsense?




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[NewYorkDragons80]

Saying Arabs want to kill all Americans simply is not true. If they were able to destroy all Jews as they wish to, why would they want to go after us?

I'm not advocating the destruction of Israel, but if it did happen, terrorists would have no reason to target America.

Arabs are very tolerant of most other religions, they just happen to hate those who cage them in and enslave them. Palestine is about 10% Christian. What's more, Arafat's wife and daughter are both Christian.

Hordeking's only defense in his declaration of jihad against Arabs was that Arabs do bad things halfway across the world. He still has no justification for genocide.

Gvac, I've found the whole dirty bomb story fishy from day 1. First of all, what do you charge him with? It will be tough to prove that someone without materials or plans was plotting to detonate a bomb. Second, why would a guy who spent the better part of his life in the USA, need to scout out areas to detonate a bomb?

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[Gvac]

Dragon, you just don't understand the hatred for ALL things Western that many Arabs harbor.

They despise us for our culture, our morals, our wealth, and our successes. When was the last time you heard of a great Arab scientist, doctor, writer, actor, comedian, musician, etc.? At one time, they ruled the world, but have become 2nd and 3rd world nations and they despise us for it, as if it is somehow our fault.

They should get down on their hands and knees and kiss their God forsaken sand every day that we pump BILLIONS of dollars into their economy by purchasing oil from them, but instead, they hate us.

And instead of seeking alternate sources of fuel right here in our land (most notably Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico off Florida's coast) so we wouldn't be giving huge sums of cash to people who have vowed to destroy us, we are told we can't because we might kill a few fish or caribou.

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[sunndoggy8]

So gvac, it's all the liberals and activist judges fault? You've gotta switch off Fox News, my friend. ;)

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[Gvac]

Sunny, I really wish you'd take the time to actually read my posts once in a while.

I merely stated that many judges do not uphold the law of the land, but instead take it upon themselves to make new laws. I never said it's all their fault, but if they refuse to prosecute illegal aliens, who else is to blame?

And maybe you should turn ON FoxNews once in a while; while I don't watch it too often, I like it a whole lot better than the rest of the crap the other networks put out.

Just remember one thing, my friends...the easiest thing to be in this world is a liberal. All you have to do is say "I care about everyone and want to help everyone and want everyone to be happy." You aren't required to come up with any logical way to make it happen, you just say it. Politicians are actually elected because of this (Bill Clinton's famous "I feel your pain" comes to mind) and it's pure idiocy.

Hopefully you'll one day see the folly in thinking the almighty government can make everybody equal and happy and make everything peachy keen. You might also come to see that pacifism is a fancy word for cowardice.

Until then, we'll never change each other's minds, but that's what makes talking politics so interesting.




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[Se7en]

Hopefully you'll one day see the folly in thinking the almighty government can make everybody equal and happy and make everything peachy keen. You might also come to see that pacifism is a fancy word for cowardice.

Some good words, brother Gvac.

But not enough! I'm brutally honest with people - I'm evil and bitter and cynical and thus, conservative. And DAMN proud of it.

Join us. Join the dark madness that is Republican politics!

To be fair, though, there are quite a few liberals who want to get rid of the Arab problem in rather hawkish manners. Like HordeKing!

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[A.J.]

Just remember one thing, my friends...the easiest thing to be in this world is a liberal. All you have to do is say "I care about everyone and want to help everyone and want everyone to be happy." You aren't required to come up with any logical way to make it happen, you just say it.


And then you keep throwing money at it.

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[Yerdaddy]

the easiest thing to be in this world is a liberal.
OK let's test this theory:
LIBERAL =
say: "I care about everyone and want to help everyone and want everyone to be happy." = 15 words

do: throw money

CONSERVATIVE =
say: "It's the liberals' fault." = 4 words

RESULTS: We have to say 11 more words AND throw all that goddamn money, which is murder on the shoulders. It's harder to be a liberal.

And I hear you can't be a true conservative unless you've been mugged, so if you haven't been mugged you're a poser.

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[HordeKing1]

JACKIE and GVAC - Well said.

HIPPIE - Your glib response and quotation of a poem you obviously don't understand is proof enough of your knee jerk response.

Your foolish albiet idelistic notion of having everyone join hands and figuratively sing Kumbaya does not relect the realities of the world. I know you're young - part of the misplaced feelings for terrorists may have something to do with that.

Genocide is a well thought out and much anguished over reaction to an intolerable situation where it is a matter of survival of one side or the other. Ideally, we would never be in a situation like this.

Ideally another fucking arab suicide bomber wouldn't have killed 19 kids today in Israel.

This is the real world. And in the real world real decisions have to be made. Conservatives and liberals must live with the consequence of their decisions. Ah, but your decision would leave only the terrorists alive.

You call your feelings "compassion." I call it reckless, knee jerk, unthinking, callous, depraved and lacking the understanding of one's actions.

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[Yerdaddy]

So somehow the idea of killing a billion Arabs while preserving Israel intact isn't idealistic? I'd say a plan for peace based on principles is pretty fucking pragmatic. The fact that Israel has come close to that before Sharon and the suicide bombings stopped is proof. But you're too busy satisfying your own blood lust and fear-mongering to even look at that.

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[DarkHippie]

GVAC: i was not using The New Colossus as Constitutuional law, i was using it as an example of the american spirit, as in his post before, Horde king had called me Un-American,

HK: i can't believe you just referred to genocide as well thought out. Punish people because of their crimes, not because of their skin. Would you have killed all of the Irish because of the IRA? For years (and even today) all they knew was to hate the English. What would your reaction have been if the english killed every last Irishmen?

If you are speaking from your emotions, that's fine, but what good are emotions without logic? Yes, there are arabs terrorists. But why must we resort to genocide? Just because we have the power to do something, and the anger to do it, does not mean that we should. Think about the ramifications of destroying several million people. How many friends will that make us? Will we deserve any at all?

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[Yerdaddy]

HIPPIE - We don't have the power to carry out HK's final solution, and neither does Israel. First of all, we have chosen to be dependent on oil. There are no sources of oil outside of the Middle East that could replace it's oil completely. ANWR has enough oil to replace a tiny fraction, and it would'nt even hit the market for 7 to 10 years. It's also of much poorer quality than Middle Eastern oil, which is why oil companies would prefer to sell it overseas for a profit than have to refine it themselves. The rest of the world's supplies couldn't supply our needs either. The idea that we could occupy Saudi Arabia and operate its oil pumps, pipelines and refineries is ridiculous. American soldiers would be under constant attack, costing thousands of US lives and would never reach the current outputs.

We would become pariahs of the world, and rightly so, and lose the support of Europe, Japan, Russia, Turkey, Latin America, Canada, Pakistan, Australia, etc. NATO would disband, and we would come under the type of economic sanctions that has destroyed Iraq and killed over a million Iraqi civillians.

Unlike Afghanistan, the Arab nations have recieved billions of dollars in top-of-the-line US weapons every year since the Nixon administration. I won't try to imagine how many American soldiers HK is condemming along with the Arabs. And keep in mind there are plenty of Muslims that aren't Arab. Indonesia is the largest Muslim country with 211 million people on 15,000 islands. Plus we'd have domestic terrorism worse than Israel ever imagined from Americans who would never tolerate thier country becoming a genocidal nation.

I'm not going to go on, because it's stupid just to suggest this whole thing. Horde King's ideas would mean the destruction of Israel and damage the US in a way we would never recover from. I'm sure Horde King has some fantasy about how it could be pulled off, but it will be as ridiculous as the patent racism he espouses. Just the fact that this discussion is taking place is embarrasing. It's not the kind of country we are, and anyone who suggests we could or would become like that is pandering to fear, ignorance, and hatred.

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[DC Reed]

yeah, the arab people that come to my store (KB Toys) always knock over the toys off the shelves, and let thier kids run wild in the store. Im seriously gonna check those kids for bombs, cause god knows the arabs are gonna put bombs on kids and have em run loose in malls and shit.

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[furie]

Im seriously gonna check those kids for bombs, cause god knows the arabs are gonna put bombs on kids and have em run loose in malls and shit.


Now, are you checking those kids because you're a patriot or a pedophile?

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[NewYorkDragons80]

Wasn't this supposed to be about Arabs within our borders? What happened?

Somehow every thread pertaining to anyone in that region goes back to the same pattern; Hordeking making some blatantly racist comment, everyone attacks him, then he blames Arafat and shows us an article. It's a rather vicious cycle.

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[Jackie Sloan]

Horde King rules.

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[Yerdaddy]

What happened?

As usual, Horde King and his Dumb-Dumb Squad can't find a political topic that they can't turn into a forum for hatred and stupidity. It's extremism. And its wee wee wee wee boring.

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[ShelleBink]

I dont want to kill
I dont want to die
I dont want to be afraid
Of things in the sky

I dont want to hate
I dont want to hurt
I dont want to discriminate
Based on country of birth

I dont want to sit idle
And wait for the job to be done
I dont want to be wrong
I dont want to have to run

I dont want to be killed
I dont want my friends to die
Sadly that's the way it is now
Should I fight, cry, or sigh...
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[sunndoggy8]

Sunny, I really wish you'd take the time to actually read my posts once in a while.

Gvac, of all people to accuse something like that to, you choose me? I have posted countless times on countless numbers of topics of this particular subject, and have rarely ever been listened to. I've replied to specific quotes that not only other members have said, but you yourself have said (i refer you to the liberal media thread...it's somewhere, but i'll find it), and recieved nothing in return. No return on argument, just, in the case of yourself, you continuing on with your argument without comment.

I've constantly attempted to listen to others opinions and comment specifically on what they've said. That thread I mentioned is an example of this. So for you to accuse me of ignoring your posts is simply not true. If anyone's guitly of doing that, it's yourself. Check that post and see.

My problem with your references to activist judges and liberal lawyers is this...whenever someone starts out with saying "Liberal lawyers" this or "Conservative's" that makes me immediately sick to my stomach. I'm sick of the party divisions and the way people try to make everything black and white depending on party affiliation. It's just not that simple, and blaming liberals or conservatives alone in the world's problems doesn't hold up in my book. Both are to blame.

And maybe you should turn ON FoxNews once in a while: while I don't watch it too often, I like it a whole lot better than the rest of the crap the other networks put out.


I despise Fox news, because all I see it as is a wildly conservative talking forum with no room, or even respect for other parties. THe hosts there want to be a bigger part of the news than the story, and many of them revel in just insulting guests who come on their shows.

I'll reference the liberal media thread once i find it, if you'd like to know more in depth why i hate fox news.


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[HordeKing1]

Only true fools can take their rascism, and turn it into ethics! And this means you in this issue, HIPPIE, YERDADDY and DRAGON.

If you truly don't see the ethics of the situation only look at numbers, and not justice and display your limitless ignorance of history and reality and pragmatism I can only conclude that your school district greatly let you down.

When will you listen. This isn't about the skin color or the disgusting Moslem religion (or the almost equally reprehensible Jewish and Christian and Buddist and Aztec, etc religions - all created by mans as primary tools of oppression)

This is about something very simple. The arabs by thier actions have removed themselves from humanity. BY THEIR ACTIONS. Apparantly despite having repeated this is about 40 posts, you still don't get it.

Apparantly that isn't an unfamiliar feeling for you guys, but your ignorance and racism and pure foolishness and hatred of justice and your pitiful belief in your rightousness (!) is almost unbelievable.

Reminds me of an insight of George Carlin into the frightening number of truly stupid people in the world.

Grow up, get a grasp on reality, educate yourself, and consider that your present thoughts, forged in youth, ignorance and your innate and learned prejudices is something you can overcome if you have the intelligence and motivation to do so. I won't be holding my breath.

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[HordeKing1]

SUNNY - Remember that even the most conservative person is on occasion liberal, and the most liberal person conservative.

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[DarkHippie]

YERDADDY: you're absolutely correct. I guess Horde King is just delusional, sitting alone at a computer with his bloodlust and his hate thinking "someday I willing reap a terrible vengence upon you all!!! muah hahahahahahahaha!!!" like a super villian from a comic book.

Seriously, isn't this how Magneto started out in the X-men Movie?

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[HordeKing1]

HIPPIE - As I've come to expect from you on this issue your best is sorely lacking.

FYI - Dellusional refers to not only to seeing or hearing things that aren't there but also to not seeing what is. You seem to be guilty of both.

However, you are not delusional, just naive, ill-informed and not well thought out on this particular topic.

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[Gvac]

It's nice to think that everyone can get along, and love is all you need, and what's so funny about peace love and understanding, but sooner or later you'll realize it's just not possible.

The fact is, freedom and liberty ARE morally (and economically) superior to other schools of thought throughout the world, and we should feel no shame in being the best. We should also give no quarter to those who seek to destroy us because of it.

And Sunny, as I've stated in the past, if you can't see that Dan Rather and Peter Jennings (as well as the majority of network anchors) are so far left they're practically out of view, then I'll never convince you.




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[Yerdaddy]

And Sunny, as I've stated in the past, if you can't see that Dan Rather and Peter Jennings (as well as the majority of network anchors) are so far left they're practically out of view, then I'll never convince you.
I never udnerstood how these clowns became annointed as leaders of liberalism. I know alot of liberals, and not one gives a rat's ass what Dan Rather or Peter Jennings has to say about anything. If anything, liberals generally don't trust anyone in TV news. It's too profit-driven and thus lacks substance, and only seems to be getting worse.

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[DarkHippie]

HORDE: But you are delusional, delusional if you believe that the destruction of millions of people will bring you the protection that you want.

let's look at history for a moment: before the arabs, there were the germans, before the germans, there were the cossacks and russians, before that, there were the spaniards, the english and the french. before that . . . i can go all the way back to the romans, the persians, the egyptians, and so on .

do you understand my point. Times change, but persecution does not. You can destroy the arabs, but they'll be someone else to take their place, most likey even worse because of the destruction that we just reaped.

this isn't unique to the jews either. every ethnic group is persecuted. they all have their story, though not every one is as long as ours. Even the arabs know what its like to be persecuted. In fact, that is why they attack us. they see us as the aggressor, while we see them as the aggressor.

How ironic then, that we can be talking about taking aggression to its highest level

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[HordeKing1]

Lets just agree then to completely disagree on every point. But that's ok. You're entitled to your opinon.

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[ADF]

Genocide is a well thought out and much anguished over reaction to an intolerable situation where it is a matter of survival of one side or the other. Ideally, we would never be in a situation like this.


Wha wha what? Genocide, as dictionary.com defines it, is "The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group." Advocating the extinction of any race for any reason cannot be based on any sort of supposition with merit. Hitler was a tremendous threat the the survival of Jews, but I don't hear anyone claiming for the total annhilation of Germans nowadays. Why? Because wars can be won, attitudes can be changed, and evil leaders can be replaced. If you're so adamant about killing Arabs, why don't you kill the next Arab you see walking down the street? Clearly, that would be insane. If you were advocating the removal of leaders (political, religious, or civil) who brainwash their followers, I'd be behind you. And by "removal," I mean by whatever means necessary using an escalating method (although some deserve instant death). Genocide, however, includes killing innocent women, children, and men who have no malice in their heart or maybe just don't know any better and could be easily dissuaded of their poor reasoning. And before you go and bring up some example of a child or woman who planted a bomb on a bus, that does not automatically mean that every single Arab would do the same. Perhaps I have a little more faith in humanity, but I feel that the majority of Arabs who harbor these feelings or who have been brainwashed can have their attitudes changed. Certainly, this can't happen overnight, but spouting reactionary calls for genocide will never help the matter.

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[NewYorkDragons80]

What did I say that made me racist? Was it the part where I proposed the systematic killing of American citizens? Oh wait, that was you.

I think my track record on this board speaks for itself. I never called for genocide, you did. I never dared put the value of my own life above anone else's, regardless of what their countrymen do. I have done nothing but call for understanding on both sides. Naturally, this course of action makes me a racist.

Hateking, I am positive that you have called Arabs sub-human more than 40 times, but that doesn't make it any more true than it was the first time you said it.

On the issue of this conflict, I am a neutral party. I have looked at this issue from both sides; something Hordeking has never done, nor will he ever do. For examining the issue rather than giving into propaganda of either side, I represent everything he hates and can never understand. All he cares about are his own ideas and is a closed mind. I understand why he hates Muslims, and subsequently humanity at large.

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[HordeKing1]

DRAGON - Child, you wrote "I think my track record on this board speaks for itself."

I couldn't agree more.

You and about 3 or 4 cronies suffering from extraordinarily deficient thought process have constantly proven yourself biased against Israel, against Jews, against Americans andagainst justice.

Clearly you are not able to comprehend issues of this magnitude. Why don't you run along and play and let people who have more than one working brain cell discuss matters you do not have an inkling of. In fact I don't know how you can type with your head so far up your ass.

You're ignorance is overwhelming. Your desire to pervert the truth alarming. That you don't feel moral outrage for your actions puts you in very poor company indeed.

Since the three of you have not added anything constructive whatsover to this thread (besides giving those with a modicrum of intelligence a few laughs at your expense) I'm going to close this thread. If anyone wants to read more of this drivel check out the David Dukes home page or see the comments made in the 10 or 20 other threads of this type.

Children rest on your track record. Enjoy your intellectual isolation. It must be hard to get such great thinkers all together. Do you have a secret handshake or is the burning cross all you need? I'm picturing you reading this thinking to yourself "I'm against the klan." That may or may not be so. Your views are remarkably similar. You probably don't understand that as well.

Yes, you rest on your record of hatred and intollerance and the inability to view the global picture. Maybe if you try really hard you can convince yourself that your twisted view of reality is real and not of your own making.

Rest on your record. Rest on your misrepresentations and lies and faulty reasoning and lack of insight and knowledge. The three of you are such misanthropes (look up the big word) that you project and attribute your own hatreds onto others.




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