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Why isn't the world stepping in and providing drugs for AIDS victims in Africa? I wonder if they would react the same if it was an "all white country" like England or another European country!
Here's a clip:
"The international community has not given what it should have," Piot said. "They have considered it a marginal problem."
"It's still an enormous scandal," Piot said, pointing out that just 4 percent of infected people in developing countries have access to the latest antiretroviral drugs, as opposed to about half in North America.
In rich countries, where 500,000 are receiving antiretroviral drugs, 25,000 people died of AIDS last year. In Africa, where only 30,000 are receiving these drugs, 2.2 million died of AIDS.
Although the price of antiretroviral AIDS drugs dropped recently to about $1 a day, Piot said, the cost of treatment had to fall even more to save lives in Africa.
AIDS killed a record 3 million people last year -- 2.2 million in Africa alone -- and HIV infected another 5 million worldwide. The disease, which has killed more than 20 million since its discovery in 1981, has so far created 14 million orphans. Three million of the 40 million people now infected are children under 15 years of age.
AFRICA IN LINE OF FIRE
Although the disease has slipped from the public eye in developed countries after awareness campaigns in the 1980s, the AIDS epidemic is wreaking havoc in sub-Saharan Africa, where 28.5 million people have HIV or AIDS -- more than 70 percent of those infected worldwide.
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Knowledged_one
07-03-2002, 03:40 PM
You mean helping other then providing the medicine at low costs, or sending our experts to help them with treatment or setting up confrences with African leaders to how best treat the problem. Is that what you mean by not helping.
What the article you quote doesnt say is the following: 1. The medication needs to be taken at specific times daily most Africans cant afford clocks
2. African heads of state dont believe that AIDS is a real disease because there are no symptoms to it and people do not die of it rather they die from the infections or pneumonia that comes with it. So basically the heads of these countries refuse to believe there is a disease and do not educate their own people about it.
3. Women have little to no rights and Africa and can be raped and beaten by men which helps spread the disease because women can simply be passed around and around as if she was cattle.
And please dont make this out to be a race issue, because China is in dire straits with AIDS as well but suffer the same thing as most African countries except you include the overpopulation which will cause the spread.
The fault does not lie with the U.S. or any European or "white" country but to the idiotic leaders of backward thinking countries who are more concerned with amassing wealth then helping their people. Look inward before placing the blame outwards, or at the very least get your facts straight
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furie
07-03-2002, 04:44 PM
Why isn't the world
stepping in and providing drugs
for AIDS victims in Africa? I
wonder if they would react the
same if it was an "all white
country" like England or another
European country!
Even though I'm not english or
from another european country, i
resent the implication.
I think you're understating the
problem. we're not talking about
A country. We're talking
about 30+ countries. AIDS is
rampant in most sub-sahairan
countries. it's a daunting task.
And perhaps you should read the
recent reports on "The Group of 8
" where they pledged Billions
to countries where those
governments are down right
hostile to the west. Giving these
countries billions won't improve
relations since the majority have
been recieving aid from the west
for decades.
So why pledge billions? Because
they still need our help,
regardless if their government
appreciate it.
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erole
07-03-2002, 05:12 PM
im agreeing with some of yous on this one. it is a continent, not just one country - great point. and some of these countries are a little backwards from our own social and moral perspectives. we do a ton for people in need. i think we give to the limit, cause we are helping out more problems than just this one issue. and at the end of the day, with the enemies we have, and the responsibility we have in this time of the world - we have to spend on ourselves too. we have to make sure we can always help others by keeping ourselves strong.
i will add this...these countries we give tons of money to, sometimes it gets eaten up by corrupt governments or taken by a feuding faction within the country. a similar senario lies in the countries we give food and supplies to for famine.
but keep your minds open to this last point. the US does have this habit of helping those countries with which we have an economic interest in. we don't rely on most of the countries in Africa. and don't say we rely on medicine plants. medical companies are crafty at getting what they want, and they know all the backdoors.
no economic interest, less flashy move to help out. if England all of a sudden had a huge outbreak, we would help them out in an enormous way. if Saudi oil shieks all of a sudden had a problem, you know we'd be in there helping out in a second.
i am proud of my country. we aren't perfect. but who in this world is? our intentions strive to be perfect and i think that's a damn good thing. We do help this small world of ours out more than anyone else. i think god does bless this country, and we do the right thing by spreading those blessing to others who need it.
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irishkb
07-03-2002, 05:34 PM
I think that the United States needs to actually be a little selfish and try to fix the problems we have.. and not the problems of a whole continent.. we try to be the big brother to the world at times and forget to help our own people....
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seagullbeagle
07-03-2002, 07:15 PM
we're not helping because there is no money in africa. <P>
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Take it from this white devil, fully support doing nothing for other countries. America has to stop being the world's police/nurse/wallet/den mother.
There are sick people here. There are impoverished people here. Especially after this past year we have to look out for ourselves and let everyone else worry about their problems. If you as an individual have the spare money or time to help then god bless you, but it's not for me right now.
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07-03-2002, 07:17 PM
Africa could have helped itself, by using the money the world bank gave it for industry, not weapons.
The clan wars of the early 90's are a cause of this epidemic, and the US is trying all it can to help.
Unfourtunatley, the battle against AIDS is futile, with no cure. If we all decided to pay more in our taxes to help Africa, im sure we could do more, but thats not in the best intrest of the country.
I wish we could help, but its harder than we all think.
We are not helping because there is no cure for AIDS.
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seagullbeagle
07-03-2002, 07:41 PM
oh i thought the thread started with the idea that we were just not giving the africans the cure... this is about medicine.Prolonging life. Expanding modern healthcare throughout the world. Not letting economic factors decide who lives the longest.<P>
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furie
07-04-2002, 05:50 AM
we're not helping because there is no money in africa.
We are not helping because there is no cure for AIDS.
We ARE helping.
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sunndoggy8
07-04-2002, 09:30 AM
We're not helping as much as we could because it's supposedly backward blacks being killed, and that is never something that the american publicseem to care all that much about....same reason why when the eembassies were bombed, it wasn't a big deal...only black burned up bloodied bodies coming out after all, right?
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blakjeezis
07-04-2002, 09:38 AM
The most fucked up thing is this. There is fable going around over there that if you hjave sex with a virgin it will cure you of the disease, so you have all these backwards ass Africans fucking babies trying to cure themselves and just spreaqding the disease like wildfire.
The reason the peopel aren't getting the aid we do send is the rulers of the countries won't allow it. they keep it for themselves. it's the same thing that happened when we sent
food and money over there. These tyrants are using the aid to hold their power. It's disgusting and if it keeps up this way in 20 years the continent will be devoid of human life and we can all go there for safari vacations.
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furie
07-04-2002, 10:59 AM
We're not helping as much as we could because it's supposedly backward blacks being killed, and that is never something that the american publicseem to care all that much about
Or how about because we have other priorities, like a war on, a massive restructuring of the government and public facilities, and not to mention enough poverty and disease here that we can't get rid of.
What excatly is your point with the embassy bombings anyway?
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erole
07-04-2002, 02:08 PM
We're not helping as much as we could because it's supposedly backward blacks being killed, and that is never something that the american publicseem to care all that much about....same reason why when the eembassies were bombed, it wasn't a big deal...only black burned up bloodied bodies coming out after all, right? wow. well, i for one am not part of that american publicseem faction. sweet lord sunny, i'd like to keep a little American pride, especially on this day.
~ You want medicine and reform in Africa, then the American people should be informed about it. Let's not foget the media people. If it's not riveting, then it's not news. Where are the ratings points, the drama, the pop culture for the media in African countries?
~ The media shapes our perceptions in a cold and calculating way - whether big media knows it or not. The American people sold the telecommunications act for nothing to big media. I bet none of you heard about it...and why? Because the media didn't want you to know all the facts. The media will clam up at will if it is either in their best interest, or not a dramatic ratings grabber. Well, the news you can use for all of yous isn't all the news. We get our info on African crisis' through the media. We don't watch C-span 24/7 about it.
~ Princess Diana dies and the media makes a big stink. Mother Theresa dies, and she got nothing compared to that bug eyed freak. Point? Drama. Ratings.
~ The media should be completly impartial and tell us of the horror going on in African conuntries during primetime. There are millions of stories that we need to know about coming out of there. Media will not touch it because they feel we won't watch it. They feel that a Hollywood actor would never play a role based on it. Where's the popularity? They SHOULD SHOW IT! It is as important as anything else. The only way we'll be informed is if African terrorists start doing AIDS fuck bombings. Oh, then there's drama. You can easily make that into a prime time TV event.
~ We need to be informed by the media on everything that is going on. Reports on the horror and brutality that goes on there is needed, daily. This would give the public the awareness, and thus, create opinions that we would send to our representatives. So, start bugging big media. Show Rupert Murdock a dead AIDS baby from Africa, and then maybe we can sway American perception.
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07-04-2002, 02:25 PM
we wont help due to no political gain. Nothing for the united states to gain, no resources that are needed, and since the world is so overpopulated, not gonna help until soemthing is to gain.
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Perhaps because the corrupt and inept regimes in Africa aren't using the money the U.S. anually gives them to improve their nations' infrastructures. Now we have Bono making appeals for the U.S. to forgive their debts because they need that money to address the same problems!
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sunndoggy8
07-04-2002, 07:18 PM
Or how about because we have other priorities, like a war on, a massive restructuring of the government and public facilities .
AIDS decimating the people of Africa was happening prior to September 11th, so those first two priorities aren't all that valid in regard to what was happening prior to 9/11. They're valid arguments now, but not before.
enough poverty and disease here that we can't get rid of.
Very true. But not as bad as what AIDS specifically is doing to the country of Africa, IMO. There are plenty of other valid reasons as mentioned.corrupt governments, greedy politicians, you name it.there are a lot of reasons things are the way they are there today.
What exactly is your point with the embassy bombings anyway?
If there were Americans overseas who were being destroyed by AIDS, it would be a bigger deal to people here in the US. I'm comparing that to the fact that if those were American bodies being pulled out of those buildings, it would have been a bigger deal to people here. If those were white bodies being pulled out of those buildings, again, I think it would be a bigger deal to people in America. I know someone mentioned not wanting to bring race into the issue being discussed, but I feel it is a part of it. Not a huge part, but definitely a part of the ignorance to what's happening not only in Africa, but in many countries abroad.
Sure it's valid to say that American's aren't going to be concerned with things happening around the globe when they've got their own problems. I'm not any better than the rest of you.I've got my own life and problems to deal with.but it seems to me that very few people seem to even want to begin caring about what goes on around the world unless it's directly related to 9/11.I just want to see someone giving a shit about the rest of the world, because there is a huge interdependency in the world in terms of the events in one place affecting the events in another.
My problem isn't with American policy(although that needs to be strongly improved, but nothings perfect). I love this country for everything it's done for my family, myself, my friends, and all of you. Would anyone rather live anywhere else? NO! It's the best country in the world.duh, that's obvious, and as many times as I have issues with American policy, I also have pride and admiration for it and it's people just as much.
My problem is that nobody in society seems to give a shit about anything else in the world unless it directly affects their lives. Terrorism in the Middle East, Africa, Kashmir.disease and poverty around the world that would make poverty here look like a day on the beach.
I don't see much of a change in people caring about anything besides their own lives. Sure America has it's problems. But you can't have an isolationist policy on foreign affairs when it's obvious, at least to me, that the events in other countries are interdependently linked to the events in ours.
That's my point in the embassy bombings and how it relates to the perception of Africa being decimated by AIDS.
wow. well, i for one am not part of that american publicseem faction. sweet lord sunny, i'd like to keep a little American pride, especially on this day.
Erole, Its great to know that you're not among that American public, and I see your good point about the media. But while they are partly at fault, so is the American public as a whole. They have to care to want to see it in order for the media to put some consideration of their own into showing us and reporting to us whats happening in other countries. As much as the media shapes our perceptions, we have let them represent what we want to see and hear in the news. If they're at fault, so are we.
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FMJeff
07-05-2002, 06:57 AM
I'm all for population control. This is nature saying to the African nation: STOP FUCKING.
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LiquidMetal
07-05-2002, 07:23 AM
i was just in South Africa and its alot like here.. you think omg every1 has aids and is sick, but.... from being around there its not bad execpt for the guy fire.. the people are friendly and you can get a Mcdonalds value meal for around 1.40 $$$ and get totally wasted for about 5 dollars..
furie
07-05-2002, 07:23 AM
My problem is that nobody in society seems to give a shit about anything else in the world unless it directly affects their lives.
And how much do you think the average African cares about us or our lives and problems? Even before AIDS became an issue in Africa, they didn't give a shit about us.
Now you could argue that our problems aren't as big as theirs and you'd be correct, but how about Southeast Asia, or India. Civil war, disease and poverty. Why aren't you criticizing them for not caring for the plight of Asia? Is apathy only a sin when it concerns us?
And if I may remind you, the 2 embassy bombs, in which mostly non-Americans were killed, was the only terrorist act to get a responce from the Clinton administration. Far more of a responce than the first WTC bombing.
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Death Metal Moe
07-05-2002, 08:24 AM
Well Coco, if you care so much, join the peace Corps or become a Missionary.
And the rest of us are horrible, horrible people who don't care about the dying and suffering.
Thank you for pointing that out.
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sunndoggy8
07-05-2002, 12:22 PM
And how much do you think the average African cares about us or our lives and problems? Even before AIDS became an issue in Africa, they didn't give a shit about us.
Furie, I think measuring up situations here to those in Africa is an incredibly unfair comparison, as you yourself later say.and since you said that yourself, why did you even make this comparision if you say yourself that their problems are much bigger than ours? I think having MUCH BIGGER PROBLEMS is a valid excuse.
If you think that things are worse here or equal to how bad things are in Africa, you're completely crazy.
You say that they didn't give a shit about us. Do you honestly think that people dying from mass starvation and disease even have the time to think about us? I think they have bigger concerns.like perhaps trying to find a crumb to use as a meal for themselves! It's a completely different world there, and comparing it to us or holding them up to some imaginary standard of caring about our lives is ridiculous. It's a different world.
Now you could argue that our problems aren't as big as theirs and you'd be correct, but how about Southeast Asia, or India. Civil war, disease and poverty. Why aren't you criticizing them for not caring for the plight of Asia? Is apathy only a sin when it concerns us?
Who said that I wasn't criticizing them? Way to go in assuming that. No one is blameless here. Of course other countries have responsibility to help places that are going through these horrible plights, but when it comes to criticism of global policy, the US is always going to come first. Sorry, but that's just the way it is when you're the biggest, strongest, most prosperous country in the world. If we're not going to step up to help, most countries won't. It sucks that its often a no win situation.help a country and they want more or don't use it well, don't help and you get criticized for it. But that's what you have to deal with when you the best and strongest and wealthiest country in the world.
And if I may remind you, the 2 embassy bombs, in which mostly non-Americans were killed, was the only terrorist act to get a responce from the Clinton administration. Far more of a responce than the first WTC bombing.
Thanks for reminding me. Now it's my turn to remind you that I wasn't talking about the administration, so thanks for not paying attention. I was talking about how the average American, now in this case, didn't care about the embassy bombing as much as they did the first WTC bombing. Of course the administration is going to care about it. My whole point was that SOCIETY doesn't care. People don't care as much as THEY SHOULD, and I think that's a problem.
And sure there are people who are going to say, oh I shouldn't have to care about anything just cause you say I should. I've got my own problems. That sucks people are starving and suffering and dying, but I got my own problems.
And as I said, I'm just as guilty as the next person of having their own petty priorities come far ahead of global events and poverty. One of my main concerns is whether I should buy a new TV or not.sure I could donate that money.but I'd really like a new Flat screen.or at least picture in picture.I've never had that and I think it kicks ass.
But when you think about all the people dying, those people with flies sitting on them and those people who can't find a decent meal and those people who are being completely ravaged and destroyed by all sorts of diseases all over the world and those people who are in constant fear of someone blowing up next to them, you gotta sort of say hey.maybe I should care a tad more about what's going on in the world.
And the rest of us are horrible, horrible people who don't care about the dying and suffering.
No one said you were a horrible person for not caring. Just wish the majority of people would put some thought into it once and awhile and maybe rethink their priorities.
I gotta get my tv.
Death Metal Moe
07-05-2002, 06:25 PM
I don't want to shoot anyone Coco. I'm just saying that if we're wrong for not doing anything, what are you doing about it?
I hate it when people just point out problems, and then feel better about themselves just because they care about it.
You can NEVER do away with suffering in the world, and a lot of these posters pointed out problems that must be tackled BEFORE Aids can me helped. The problem of corrupt leaders taking the money we and other countries send is a big problem too.
So that's your reasons.
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The "only best interest of our country" I, believe, has already happened. The strain of AIDS in Africa has so mutated that it now easily infects women as well, and these strains, of course, easily come overseas. Also the Tuberculosis strain has become more resistant. I am not sure what it will take to make our govenrment open its eyes and start financially helping these people.
Just a coincidence - the other day I was in a bookstore and a white married couple had two black newborne babies that they were carrying around. I automatically thought of all the orphans from Africa, and thought it may have been perhaps one of them.
What a sad situation!
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erole
07-07-2002, 02:36 PM
Submitted for the increase of knowledge.
Exerpt from MSNBC news article:
<a href="http://msnbc.com/news/776679.asp?0dm=H15MH"> Full Article <a/>
Support for AIDS fight in Africa
Poll shows Americans want to help, but are cautious
By Richard Morin and Claudia Deane
THE WASHINGTON POST
July 6 - Most Americans favor modest and targeted increases in spending on the global AIDS crisis but many believe any additional money likely will do little to slow the spread of AIDS in Africa and elsewhere in the developing world, according to a survey by The Washington Post, the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation and Harvard University.
NEARLY THREE in four - 74 percent - members of the public support a proposal by President Bush to spend an additional $500 million mostly in Africa over the next three years to help combat the transmission of the AIDS virus from mothers to their unborn children.
But this compassion is tempered by caution. Other poll findings and interviews with survey participants suggest that few Americans believe that inadequate funding is the major problem. Instead, the public blames the deepening AIDS emergency in the region on factors it feels are largely immune to a quick financial fix: The stubborn reluctance of many Africans to abandon unsafe sex practices, crippling poverty and governments that are either too corrupt, too incompetent or too overwhelmed to deal effectively with the disease.
...Not even a third - 31 percent of those polled - believes the U.S. is spending "too little" to deal with AIDS in developing countries. Half of those interviewed said this country was spending the "right amount" (34 percent) or "too much" (16 percent) and the remainder were unsure.
And twice as many respondents opposed increasing U.S. support to $2 billion as favored it. But a clear majority - 59 percent - acknowledged that they needed to know more before making up their minds, suggesting that many Americans have not yet ruled out a more generous U.S. assistance package. And Americans are far less likely to oppose U.S. assistance to fight global AIDS than they are to object to foreign aid in general...
Please read the article in full
Also, these links can give you extra awareness of a possible increase in AIDS cases in the US, and the new resistance to our current drugs.
<a href="http://msnbc.com/news/775413.asp?0dm=H11MH"> AIDS increases <a/>
<a href="http://msnbc.com/news/775412.asp?0dm=H12MH"> Drug Resistance <a/>
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NewYorkDragons80
07-07-2002, 03:04 PM
If you want to help, take your life savings, buy a plane ticket and go there to help.
As is, the United States gives more money to Africa than any other country. Considering the hostility of some African governments towards the US and their downright refusal to deal with AIDS themselves, we are being more than generous in our aid as it is. As for the African countries that we consider "friendly," they piss away the money we give them on thigs unrelated to the health of their own people. Very little of the aid we send to Africa actually helps anyone. With the current situation, the only way they can actually get aid is if we have our military personally overseeing the operation. Judging from your post, I'm willing to bet that you were the type of liberal that was against US involvement in Somalia. We give everything and you want more.
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FMJeff
07-07-2002, 04:48 PM
There is a cure for AIDS and we will find it. In the meantime, let AIDS do its job. It's nature's way of saying "there's too many fucking people in this world, and we need to thin the herd". It's evil, but a necessary evil for the survival of the species. Could you imagine the horror our world would be if we had a cure for every disease?
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