CONGRESS IS ANTI SEX-EDUCATION

[HordeKing1]

Backed by the ultraconservative Bush administration, Congress has voted to replace medically acurate sex education with "abstinence only" programs.

Fools.

Tell Congress that kids need to be taught sex facts not the science fiction of abstinence.

Visit the Planned Parenthood website or go directly to the page set up on this topic: WWW.getthefacts.org

Click "Action" and fill out a VERY SHORT form that will be sent to your Congressman or Congresswoman. Of course, it's good to educate yourself further on the issue and the site has good helpful summations.

http://getthefacts.org/

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[A.J.]

They're still getting free condoms though.

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[DarkHippie]

a republican's idea of sex education in school is called "recess"

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[NewYorkDragons80]

I have a couple of friends that work at a Planned Parenthood giving speeches. The speeches rarely if ever teach abstinence. Instead, they throw condoms at the kids and focus more on the science of intercourse than the emotions involved. In today's world, the kids know about the science of sex well before they show up to the class. The Education might as well give some guidance to these kids rather than toss some rubbers their way.

Hordeking, I know you value abstinence so what is the problem?

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[HordeKing1]

NYDRAGON - The programs cut by Congress are the medically accurate sex education programs taught in public schools, as part of the curriculum, not the occasional speeches given at schools by Planned Parenthood.

These are the programs that teach kids the basic facts such as how pregnancy occurs and how to prevent pregnancy.

It is absolutely appalling how little accurate information the vast majority of kids have about sex. For better or worse, (since most parents are uninvovled in teaching their kids about sex) school is the primary source of accurate information.

You would not believe some of the otherwise intelligent women who get pregnant and tell me things like "I didn't think I could get pregnant standing up, or the first time, or facing north, etc." Yet this is the bullshit they hear from their boyfriends or girlfriends or from other less than reliable sources.

Congress approved a plan to substitute the school sex education program with a program that teaches kids to just abstain from sex.

It has been noted in American Psychologist (2001) that "telling kids to abstain from sex or to just say no to drugs is as effective as treating clinical depressives by telling them to have a happy day."

Teaching abstinence doesn't work on ANY level. Kids are going to have sex. Given this, it's infinitely better that they do so with knoweldge about birth control and STD prevention than if they just have sex w/o understanding the consequences.

Studies show that abstinence is ineffective at reducing teenage pregnancy and STD transmission.

I think you're under the wrong impression about Planned Parenthood. They do not teach or promote abstinence. They know it does not and can not work. They actively promote sex education including access to birth control and women's rights to control their own body.

My own expereince has confirmed the national studies that show that kids know very little scientific facts about sex, and most men cannot even identify the parts of the female sex organs. Planned Parenthood and sex education is not about tossing condoms at the kids and telling them to get to it - it's providing them with the information they need to make more informed choices.

I don't value abstinence in particular, nor do I devalue it. I value people doing what they are comfortable with in all things including the sexual arena. If abstinence works for a particular person more power to them. But that makes them neither better or worse than a person who is sexually active.


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[A.J.]

These are the programs that teach kids the basic facts such as how pregnancy occurs and how to prevent pregnancy.


How to prevent pregnancy? Use birth control and/or don't have sex.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm not "anti-sex education" but shouldn't parents play a role here? Sure it's awkward and uncomfortable having a "sex talk" with your parents but it's no worse than having a gym teacher teach a health class.

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[fatylvr20]

Horde King: Your majesty I myself am an example of a young man who has managed to stay out of the world of sex. It's not a lack of not being able to aquire any ass its simply been my choice to withdraw myself from the arena. I personally give thanks to the sex education and really biology to help me realize how serious it is when one is ready to embark in sexual adventures. Serious in terms of the results of what may come out of a night of pleasure. Shit if not for the govt funded classes i wouldnt have known crap. My folks ever so rarely spoke of the matter...i quitely learned on my own and came to my own conclusions to stay pure..however when the time comes i will at least know what to expect i have been well prepared for the outcomes of my actions. abstinence has worked for me...however for govt funds to be implemented to simply tell all our children to simply not do it is utterly dumb. Perhaps they believe the past programs were a failure...im proof they're not...this step they're presently taking is going to end up squandering money. Basically just teach them how to use the tools and identify and familarize themselves with the various organs...man this is truly bizzare...i think i've said enough your majesty.


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[HordeKing1]

AJINDC - You bring up two good points that seem obvious.

1. Pregnancy can be prevented through birth control or abstinence. However, the sad fact is that many many kids don't get this. Even those who heard of birth control have no idea how to use it. As an example, a woman I spoke to recently expressed shock that she was pregnant. She had unprotected sex THEN took ONE of her mom's birth control pills. As you know, birth control pills must be taken daily for a few months before they are effective and then they must be taken daily. Even missing one (non-placebo dose) can require supplemental birth control for a month.

2. YES! Of course parents should play a role. But even among the well educated there is a huge awkwardness many parents expereince in talking about sex with their kids. As a result THEY DON"T DO IT. As a parent, I don't get this, but the fact remains that parents are among the last sources from which kids learn anything about sex. Therefore sex education is a necessity.


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[HordeKing1]

FATYLVR20 - I hope I didn't give the impression that people who choose abstinence do so b/c they can't have sex if they want to. That's not the case. It's a choice that's just as legitimate as choosing to have sex. The point is that it's a choice that works for some and not others and it's wonderful and proper that the choice exists.

Even among those who practice abstinence, sex education is a necessity. You are a perfect example of this. The medical information and education you received on this topic, brought you to the conclusion that sex was something serious with consequences (both physcial and emotional) that you wanted to wait for.

Sex education works. Abstinence programs have consistently shown to be ineffective in preventing sex, intercourse and STD's.


I do have to object to your use of the phrase "stay pure" to describe your decision to choose abstinence. I object because the implication is that sex (or the people that have it) are "dirty" or doing something improper.

Consensual sex is a wonderful, beuatiful, enjoyable thing and there is nothing dirty about it. The choice to have sex or not to have sex is one of personal choice.


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[DarkHippie]

but everybody knows that you can't get pregnant if you face North :)

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[fatty]

2. YES! Of course parents should play a role. But even among the well educated there is a huge awkwardness many parents expereince in talking about sex with their kids. As a result THEY DON"T DO IT. As a parent, I don't get this, but the fact remains that parents are among the last sources from which kids learn anything about sex. Therefore sex education is a necessity.


just because it is true that parents don't teach their kids doesn't make it right. i dont' think the school should have anything to do with sex education, except maybe teach of the consequences of having a child and raising one and the morals behind it.

as for sex itself, it should be up to the parents to teach the kids. parents keep pushing more and more responsibility on the schools and it's bullshit. if the parents want their kids to have morals about sex then fucking teach it to them, stop passing the buck to schools to make up for thier horrible parenting.

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[HordeKing1]

FATTY - I advocate parents getting involved in sex-education. I think kids would be better off if more parents demonstrated interest in their lives in general, but that's another topic.

I wonder why some people find it acceptable for schools to teach kids about math and chemistry and litterature but not about their bodies? Why is math for instance within the pnenumbera of the educational system but not sex ed. Parents should be teaching their kids math too!


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[Ryan the Great]

Don't they know that when you tell kids not to do something, of course their gonna do it.

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[Gvac]

Sorry, but I have to agree with Congress on this one. This is still the United States of America, and if parents want to raise their children in a certain way, they should be able to.

Having sexual discussions in the classroom is something many people may frown upon, and I respect their right to do so.

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[fatylvr20]

Horde King: you're right hk the phrase "stay pure" was something i threw in without thinking it was almost 1 in the morning when i typed it. Thank you for catching that...it just so happens that you touched a topic forced me to say something. Truthfully I had a little time to think about the whole issue and another reason for me not having sex is fear. Despite watching porn at like 13 or so I wasn't so excited to jump in the sac. When as a child you hear and read all this news of AIDS and other such results of unprotected sex and even the possibility of getting a girl pregnant scared the shit out of me. Till this day I say someday I want kids...even then im afraid..maybe i just worry of badluck i think of shit that have small chances of happening...hmm I know im only 20yrs old but it does pop into the mind. Again thank you for the information majesty.

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[ShelleBink]

k, my parents totally kept me in the dark about sex and stuff like that...

...and the turnout was not good. im glad i learned in school the stuff they taught. im not pregnant, and am clean, so they must have dont something right.

and its ironic that congress is against it when they're fucking every intern in sight.

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[fatylvr20]

Shellebink i can understand to an extent where you're coming from. Most of what i know..maybe a huge portion is due to education in school not my folks. In terms of pregancy I can look across the street at these 3sisters that i've known since i was 5 and 2 out of the 3 became pregnant under 18yrs of age. Which is a shame because it destroys any time you would want to spend as a "normal teen" you are forced to become an adult much faster and take charge for the results of involving yourself in sexual activities. For the govt to spend funds on preventing any sex between teens at all is foolish. Its like a parent when he/she tells the child not to do something once and the child does it again. There's the classic defiance that occurs with teens especially in the mid-teens. As was said before parental intervention is crucial along with enlightenment of sex as a whole as well as broken down into subject areas. Mutual agreement between the partners of the proper protection to be used. Perhaps im going out on a limb but a message to any youngens taking on this challenge...1st learn what you're up against..2nd aquire and learn the proper tools to use and just plain be safe. Or if you choose shit..dont do it at all! As hk said you have a choice.

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[HordeKing1]

GVAC - If extended to its logical conclusion your arrrgument would posit that in the US, parents are free to raise their kids anyway they want. This condones child abuse, witholding medical treatment, etc. Clearly you don't advocate that.

"Rights" are not absolute. The SC ruled very early on that the first ammendment doesn't give one the right to yell fire in a crowded theatre b/c doing so puts others in danger.

A parent's failure to inform his or her kids about the full facts about sex puts them in immediate danger of death or in lucky, lifelong health problems.

The choice is then to either educate the kids to correct the parents failure to do so, or shrug our shoulders and say that parent's have the right to allow their kid to get AIDS (and pregnant, etc) because they feel uncomfortable talking about sex with them.



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[Gvac]

HK - I think you know I understand rights aren't absolute, but there are people who have no desire to have their children be taught about oral, anal, and homosexual sex, and this is the kind of things that have been spoken about in many sex education classes across the country, particularly California.

There always seems to be a further agenda with these liberal programs, and many people don't want what they consider "deviant" being taught to their children. I don't say I agree, I say it's their right to raise their child in the way they see morally fit.

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[Gvac]

PS - Trust me, Bush is no "ultra-conservative." As a proud conservative myself, I can tell you he's let me down more times than I care to count. Had I known his definition of "compassionate conservatism" meant being a liberal, I never would have voted for him.

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[DC Reed]

They're still getting free condoms though.


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[Coco]

I have to agree with GVAC

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[SeeYouNextTuesday]

So if Congress had it's druthers, the United States population would dwindle to nothing within 90 years? Good times.

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[HordeKing1]

Yes, but the last American would be pure in the eyes of god and congress. :)

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