BUSH - An outright misogynist

[HordeKing1]

President Bush's decision to de-fund the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) is further evidence that his alleged support for women's rights is shallow and insincere. This administration has consistently denied women access to life-saving reproductive health services, like birth control, check ups and HIV education and prevention.

International family planning assistance is the most crucial and cost-effective health intervention for women and their families, and yet this administration is willing to use it as a political toy.

The UNFPA program in China has been reviewed by 145 diplomats on 60 separate occasions in the last three years. The United States has monitored the program continually during the same time period, never once finding human rights violations. In fact, the government has praised the program for improving the status of human rights in the countries where it works.

IF YOU CARE ABOUT WOMEN'S RIGHTS, please take a moment to speak out and tell President Bush to honor the rights of women, value their lives and support the life-saving programs sponsored by the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA).

Here's how you can send your message:

E-mail President Bush at president@whitehouse.gov

Call the White House Comment Line at (202) 456-1111 (between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m. Eastern).


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[A.J.]

Good! It's a UN program -- let other nations foot the bill for a change.

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[nickeye]

The <a href="http://www.ppacca.org/news/read.asp?ID=155">PPAC (Planned Parenthood Affiliates of California)</a> gives some other reasons behind Bush's decision:

...in response to reports from certain abortion-rights opponents and lawmakers that UNFPA tacitly supports China's "coercive" population control methods, which reportedly include forced sterilizations and abortions, President Bush in January placed a "temporary hold" on the $34 million until he could decide whether to set aside the money altogether (Kaiser Daily Reproductive Health Report, 1/14).

Josephine Guy, who traveled to China on a Population Research Institute-funded trip last year, repeated her findings that "coercive practices" still occur in places where UNFPA has said that the practices have ended, and she stated that UNFPA is "complicit in the coercion" because the fund "had a desk in the local family planning office" (Reuters Health, 2/28).

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[The Blowhard]

I agree HK, he's not like Bill Clinton, who loved and respected women.
And by the way, GW has a black woman, Condelezza Rice, as his National Security Advisor. He also had a woman run his campaign, Karen Hughes.
He must really hate women!
Why the obsession with abortion and birth control? Just curious.

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[ADF]

Putting women on your staff doesn't make you pro-women any more than saying "I have lots of black friends" prevent you from being a racist. You mentioned two women, which is not a lot.. sure, there are more out there, but how many have a position of prominence? Imagine if Bush had no women at all on his staff.. there'd be a tremendous outcry. Bush's uninformed anti-abortion and anti-sex education stance is harmful.

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[Cybersoldier]

Perhap instead of giving back so much money back to the american, he could have cuts taxes. Bust is a BS artist who only cares about big business and nothing else not the environment,women's right (as you indictae horde king), and other issues bush has so far failed to either commit to or has not even tried. Bush is going to end up like his father and 1 term president, forgot about reelected people are mostly going to look at the economy and the irregular accounting problems of big business. What happened after 9/11 was an automatic response,if he sat on his ass, his vice-president would be incharge.

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[DC Reed]

HORDEKING1 - I agree with you, although im not big on womens rights, it does show that Bush's word is worth jackshit.

[The Blowhard]

Main Entry: miúsogúyúny
Pronunciation: m&-'s„-j&-nE
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek misogynia, from misein to hate + gynE woman -more at QUEEN
Date: circa 1656
: a hatred of women

I think some of you would blame GW for the Kennedy assasination.
I'm not a fan of GW, but come on, get real.
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For the first time in 10 years, we may actually be protected from the real-world threats that we are facing.

Fuck Iraq
Fuck the Palestinian Terrorists
Fuck Osama and his black, turban wearing, tool followers

I don't buy the BS that that Bush is the cause of the economic crisis.

He is a man that has walked into a shit-storm and has done a great job keeping this country afloat.


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[Gvac]

Just in case no one has noticed, our country is presently at war. I, for one, can think of better uses for our tax dollars than funding abortions in other countries.

Bush has also named more women to cabinet positions than any President in U.S. history. To the best of my knowledge, he hasn't shoved cigars up his interns' twat or cheated on his wife repeatedly, either. To call him a misongynist is absurd.

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[HordeKing1]

I call him a msiogynist b/c he hates women and would love to set their progress back to the 1920's when birth control wasn't even allowed (for women).

The appointment of a few women is called tolkenism and is for purposes of political expediency.

Remember what Bush's first act was as president? He cut all federal funding to any program that permitted abortions, even if the "permission" was just in the form of being covered by medical insurance. That's misogynistic.

Regarding the intern comment, surely you don't believe that he's not screwing around. As a general rule, the more repressed the individual (and the more religious trappings he claims) the deeper and more skeletons in the closet.

The point of this thread isn't whether the US should spend the most triffling sum (relatively of course) on international birth control, a proven program that works and is responsible for progress and human rights in every country it's been instituted in, the point is to again show how Bush will not miss an opportunity to deny women their reproductive rights.

I can recomend some great books on the subject of the international birth control movement in various countries and the liberation of the population from poverty, disease and oppression of women. The most well known example is Japan, whose emperor gave the first govt service medal to a foreigner for her work on establishing birth control centers in Japan.

The practice of infantacide in China has been going on for many hundreds of years. Birth control has made it possible to prevent the pregnancies in the first place which reduces abortion and infantacide. It is incomprehensible how any intelligent person can not see the vast benefits that international planned parenthood has brought to every country it has touched.

BTW, birth control is not the same as abortion. Abortion is but one facet of a much greater program with the express design of giving women and men control over when they will have children - unless you're Catholic. Then it's pure luck that you don't have 20 kids, b/c you couldn't be wearing a rubber (wink, wink, nudge, nudge).

NY DRAGON - There is no UN or other conspiracy against Israel. It's very much out in the open and blatant.

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[DC Reed]

Hordeking, Bush is pro-life, but how could pro-life supporters not realize that they may be RUINING LIVES!We all make decisions every day, so why should a womens decision to abort a child be any different than choosing say to drive, rather than take the bus? The people getting abortions, cant afford the child in most cases. So why do the pro-life people want a baby to possibly grow up in a poor family, that wll not be able to support it? Why would they want that child to suffer, and cause even more pain to thier parents, who may have to leave school or thier jobs to watch thier child. I would never want a family to suffer like that, having to give up hopes and dreams because you aren't allowed to abort a child if your not ready.

And of course the churches are behind the whole pro-life movement, but why should i listen to the RCC when they cant ever keep thier priests under control.

But seriously, everyone, would you want to see a teenager who got knocked up and pregnant, have to leave school, give up all her hopes and dreams, just to raise a child, that will only cause her more problems, because she cant support it. And what if she was raped? Thats a fatherless child, and one that was not wanted. Prolife sickens me.

Bush may be protecting our country, but i dont want him taking away our right to choose how to live.

I figured since this thread is about womens right, this was the right place to post my question and opinion.


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This message was edited by DC Reed on 7-25-02 @ 1:17 AM

[Se7en]

I was under the impression that the UN was part of the anti-Semitic conspiracy bent on the destruction of Israel and the Jewish race.


Oh, it is.

But that won't stop Horde King from using them to attack Bush, or any conservative......or anyone who has a viewpoint other than his own.



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[TastelessGinny]

I agree HK, he's not like Bill Clinton, who loved and respected women


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[Aggie]

So why do the pro-life people want a baby to possibly grow up in a poor family, that wll not be able to support it?
MANY women can not have children and would lovingly take any child they can. Adoption is a choice too. No one seems to remember this.

And HK, does the Jewish religion not beielve that abortion is murder? Just curious.

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[Death Metal Moe]

Sorry Horde, but I gotta differ with you on this one. I trust Bush, and I'm sure that he probably did this because he thought it was right. I vote Republican, and am much more Conservative than Liberal on many issues. So if he pulled funding, it was because of some new problem that came up. We will never know the whole story behind things, just like all other topics. We jsut have to trust our leaders to a certian point.

and BILL CLINTON FUCKING SUCKED!!

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[legroommusic]

I don't hate women, but I don't think that my money, as a taxpayer, should go to abortion and much less foreign abortion.

I think using a phrase such as "Bush hates women" is kind of silly. that's almost a contradiction in terms.

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[sunndoggy8]

...otherwise just change the forum to ask the Horde Kings Opinion


Um that's funny...call me crazy, but isn't the name of the forum ASK THE HORDE KING? I think that generally means geting his opinion, don't you think?

READ THE NAME OF THE FORUM! Generally, HK is asked a question and he gives his opinion. Thus the name of the forum, "ASK THE HORDE KING" Following the concept? It's not all that complicated.

It's not ASK THE HORDE KIND FOR AN UNBIASED OPINION THAT YOU WILL AGREE WITH ALWAYS, because no human being is unbiased. Everyone has sides that they lean to, and everyone has a right to have them.

But criticizing HK for posting his own opinion in a forum called "ASK THE HORDE KING" is just plain dumb.



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[HordeKing1]

NYDRAGON - You're posts are always delightfully amusing.

YOU'RE NOTHING MIRE THAN AN ANTI-ABORTION NUT (no surprise there).

Why don't you blow up a few clinics or shoot some abortion doctors? That will keep those lumps of tissue safe, WHILE PRESERVING YOUR HORRIBLE OPPRESSIVE BELIEF SYSTEM.

An embryo or fetus is not innocent. It isn't a person. It's not alive until (at the very very very least, viability - the point where it can survive unaided outside the womb.)

You have no respect for beliefs other than your own. You attack me for disagreing with you. I don't care, how stupid your beliefs are. If you were at all compassionate, or possessed a modicrum of intelligence you'd see the need to do whatever silly thing you want to without interfering with anyone else's right to do the same thing.

Yes adoption is an option. So is birth control. So is abortion. It's not your responsibility to decide for anyone other than yourself what's right for anyone other than you.

OF COURSE YOU'LL COMPLETELY MISS THIS POINT AS WELL.

Someone asked about the Jewish position on abortion. It's acceptable only when the health of the mother is at risk. Like all religions it is horribly offensive to women and the men who care for them.

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[sunndoggy8]

Ahhhh I see. I think you may be taking the definition of roles on this message board a tad bit too seriously. Just to remind you, IT'S A MESSAGE BOARD! PEOPLE STATE THEIR OPINIONS! YOU'RE TAKING IT FAR TOO SERIOUSLY! I don't think you need to start quoting the dictionary to understand that concept.

Furthermore, you yourself post a definition stating that an Oracle as "a person giving wise or authoritative decisions; an authoritative or wise expression or answer".

Who are you to decide whether an opinion is wise or not? Are you the authority on opinions and whether they're worthy of being considered wise? It's absolutely your right to agree/disagree on anything, but for you to independently decide that his opinion violates some message board rule on his role is kind of taking a post on a message board about a radio show on the internet a little bit too seriously.

And funny that in a ask the Horde King section. Not one person asked his opinion, he merely stated it, it seems to me that this post should have been moved to a more proper area such as off topic.

Again, if you have a problem with people stating their opinions, you're on the wrong internet..maybe you should head to that one where they don't do that sort of thing. Where does it say that Horde King cannot post unless someone asks him a question specifically? Is that your rule?

I don't understand your argument. You're defending your statement regarding how Horde King shouldn't give his opinion in a forum called "asked the horde king" by saying that it should be moved to another forum? Well think about it. HK posts his opinion, people post about it and ask him questions about his opinion.doesn't that go along with the whole concept of "asking the horde king"? If he posted it in offtopic, don't you think if people suddenly started asking him lots of questions about his opinion, it would then be moved to ask the horde king? See what I'm saying here?

If he is posting an answer or anything fine, but to give a biased opionion in the forum where he is the "oracle" he is dead off in doing that.

Ahh so you are the authority on whether his opinion is biased or not, huh? Everyone in the world has a biased opinion one way or the other, based on their own experiences or opinions. If someone asked Horde King what the best flavor of ice cream was, and he said chocolate, wouldn't all the vanilla ice cream lovers call him biased? Would they all say that giving his biased opinion was, to quote you, "dead off"? No probably not, because they would understand that he has his own reasons for his opinions.

Again im not criticizing him for having opinion but to be portrayed as a know it all its pretty shallow to post his obviously biased opinion, and then to pass it off as if it was law

When did he try to pass it off as law? Once again, a major point here is that IT'S A MESSAGE BOARD! PEOPLE HAVE OPINIONS, BIASED AND UNBIASED, WHETHER YOU LIKE THEM OR NOT!

My whole point is, you said that they should change the name to ask the horde king's opinion. Well that's the whole idea of the forum, so you were wrong to make that statement. This forum is all about opinions, biased and unbiased, as are the other forums on the message board.

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[DarkHippie]

And HK, does the Jewish religion not beielve that abortion is murder? Just curious.
it depends on who you ask, because there are so many different branches of Judaism, but generally, it is believed that a baby is not alive until it is born (ie. abortion is not murder). judaism has long been a proponent of reproductive rights. the orthodox are more strict about it, but the conservative and reform are very pro-choice

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[angrymissy]

innocent and unborn

I hardly consider a blob of cells to be "innocent" and "unborn" at the stage of development that abortions are performed. At that poingt, it is a parasite to me.

Bush is cutting funding to further his pro-life agenda. Its disgusting. He's also cut funding to clinics overseas that provide abortions. Cutting the funding to these clinics also restricts the other services they provide, such as family planning and adoption services.

Sure adoption is an option, but not ALL babies are wanted. A healthy white baby could be adopted in a second, but what about a bi-racial child? Or a child with serious health problems.

What if you had a planned pregnancy and found out your fetus had anchepaly (basically no brain). It would live for hours tops after it was born and suffer. Wouldn't you want the option to end your pregnancy? Bush is taking a direct jab at women's rights by cutting funding.

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