Stupid Protestors in DC.

[BigKing]

Ohh how I hate these protestors in DC that are here this weekend. All they do is f*ck up the traffic. 90% of them are protesting just cause they think protesting is "cool" or "hip". If this "world bank" thing is soooo damn evil, why aren't they out there every day protesting?? There are only there when they think the'll get noticed. I have half a mind to go down there and Protest the protestors. Last april I watched them Protest a "Taco Bell" resturant. They were dressed in cow suits jumping around. I pushed through them and ordered 10 tacos. I ate 3 of them right in front of them, then said "mmmm capitalism" then I threw them at the protestors. I had to run!! They would have kicked my arse. I also listened to them talking. I heard one converstaion that went like this;

-"Okay dude what are we doin'?"
-"well at noon we have the INS protest,then at 1 we are going to the taco bell protest, then at 2:30 we're heading over to the government protest, and at 10 there is a candlelight protest."
-"excellent"

they dont care about the cause or anything, they want to be a "cool protestor dood"

And what really makes me mad is, these people are against out government, and if Iraq ever invaded, these people would be the first to cry "HELP!!"

I hate them and they STINK!

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[jafter]

I agree King. I am glad they locked some of those idiots this morning. The police were being cool until the jerks broke a window. Then it was time for a wood shampoo.

If they was to have a non violent non disruptive protest fine. But when they start disturbing the rest of us, the I have a problem with them.

We want Ron and Fez live in DC.

[BigKing]

As they have proven in the past, 90% of them want only to cause trouble. I see them carrying video cameras to try to caputre the cops hassling them.

I dont care if you are a protestor or what. YOU RESPECT THE COPS. If you misbehave, and disrespect them, and then resist them then they arrest you, they will give you a "wood Shampoo" Hehe i liked that.

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[TheMojoPin]

90% of them want only to cause trouble.

Actually, it's the reverse. There's always about 10-20% of those that show up for these kinda protests and pull this shit, and they get all the attention. They block roads, pull pranks, get naked, yell at the cops, smash shit, and claim to be "anarchists". As soon as I saw that going down today, I bailed, because the rest of us, who were obeying the rules, not antagonizing the cops and staying off the roads, were going to be lumped in with them, and anything we were trying to say or represent was going to be lost. These are the same assholes who fucked things up in Seattle and Genoa. Bunch of spoiled kids who throw on bandanas, wear all black, and start throwing rocks. Awful, awful people, ruining it for the rest of us, and they deserve to get hauled off.

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[Drudge Jr.]

actually the protests are for a good cause, and a lot of the protesters do know what they're doing. there are some anarchists/discordians who just want to fuck up things.

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[DarkHippie]

i'm sorry big king if you were inconvenienced by people actually trying to make a difference in the world. You apparently know so much about the world bank, IMF, the wTO, and how their business actions create an "indentured servitude" among countrities, bypassing laws, even ours, and creating such an imbalance of power that no country, not even us can stand to it. This issue is at the center of every foriegn conflict, every domestic conflict, every conflict that may involve dollars and cents, yen, or EU. But of course you knew that and decided that traffic was far more important.

forgive my sarcasm, but nobody seems to appreciate the depth and breadth of this problem. they just see a bunch of angry people. and the reason no one can fully explain it (i've barely scratched the surface) is because this issue is so huge, you can study it for years and still only know part of the story.

But i would be happy to tell everyone all that i know, if I knew that you would listen

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[Drudge Jr.]

good points hippy, i suggest you all pick up a handbook called "5 years of reasons to resist the WTO" it's an excellent read

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[TheMojoPin]

So if I can correctly ascertain the current political/social climate, it's the following: you, the individual, can do nothing. The government speaks for all, and as such, should be followed at all times over all issues.

What the hell happened?

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[Crazy for Crazy]

The Protestors that stink are the ones that protest a fuckin way of life. World Bank? Taco Bell?
Oh this one is great...some old fogies in Jersey somewhere were protesting a cell phone store because they were afraid of radiation. Bunch of morons.



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[BigKing]

Hippie I understand. But any message that these people have is being overlooked, cause of all the violence, and unrest. You can ask anyone here about about a past protest, and everyone only remembers the arrests, and the mayhem. No one remembers the message.

And here is another thing. Big business and governments will always be around. The protestors who are in the minority, are never going to change that fact. I have a hard time keeping my life in order to worry about what some business or government may or may not be doing to some country somewhere in the world. Yes, I may sound niave, but its how I feel.

The protestors want the IMF and and the WTO to stop, and start doing things their way. Who gives the protestors the right to tell any business or government how to act or operate. I dont like it when people try to force their views and opinions on me, and make me feel stupid for thinking or believing a certain way. People do that in the name of "religion" every day, and its terrible.

If people really want to make a difference, then go to school, get educated, become part of the IMF or WTO and make the changes from the inside. If you are blocking streets in a city, or smashing windows, all people will remember is the smashing, and blocking.

There have got to be more intelligent, and effective ways to get a point across.

I'm not flaming, just trying to state my opinions.... :)

I realized I am a much more effective argurerin person. lol.

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[SatCam]

I vote electric chair for all those idiots!

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[TheMojoPin]

I vote electric chair for all those idiots!

Don't be silly. We know you don't vote.

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[Yerdaddy]

The logic of the screamers on this thread is embarassing. Do a little research to at least know what you're complaining about. Here's a start: some organizations here I endorse and some I don't, but at least you may get a hint of what you're talking about.
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13445-2002Sep27.html">Washington Post - A Guide to IMF, World Bank</a>
<a href="http://sept.globalizethis.org/">Mobilization for Global Justice</a>
<a href="http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2001/">US State Department Country Reports on Human Rights</a>
<a href="http://www.peace-action.org/home/indo.html">US Military Aid to Indonesia</a>
<a href="http://www.intl-crisis-group.org/">The International Crisis Group</a>
<a href="http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/">National Security Archive</a>
<a href="http://www.lawg.org/">Latin America Working Group</a>
<a href="http://www.globalexchange.org/">Global Exchange</a>
<a href="http://www.amnesty.org/">Amnesty International</a>
<a href="http://www.hrw.org/">Human Rights Watch</a>
<a href="http://www.msf.org/">M‚decins Sans FrontiŠres / Doctors Without Borders</a>
<a href="http://www.panda.org/">World Wildlife Fund</a>
<a href="http://www.foreignpolicy-infocus.org/cgaa/talkingpoints/0209iraq.html">Why Not to Wage War with Iraq</a>
<a href="http://www.soaw.org/new/">School of the Americas Watch</a>
<a href="http://www.nrdc.org/globalWarming/brief.asp">NRDC - Global Warming in Brief</a>
<a href="http://www.corporatepredators.org/top100.html">Top 100 Corporate Criminals of the Decade</a>
<a href="http://www.globalcorruptionreport.org/">Global Corruption Report 2001</a>
<a href="http://www.citizen.org/cmep/Water/cmep_Water/wbimf/articles.cfm?ID=7802">Bearing the Burden of IMF and World Bank Policies</a>
<a href="http://www.fas.org/asmp/fast_facts.htm">ASMP - Facts on the Global Arms Trade</a>
<a href="http://www.opensecrets.org/alerts/index107.asp">Money in Politics Alerts for the 107th Congress</a>
<a href="http://www.btselem.org/">B"SELEM - The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories
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[Se7en]

i'm sorry big king if you were inconvenienced by people actually trying to make a difference in the world.

I'd maybe buy that argument, if I didn't live her in D.C. and I didn't actually know some of the people protesting. Believe me, they really don't have anything better to do with their time than to go and spend a day protesting.

Plus quite a few of the ones I know are socialists / Marxists. To them I say: Dude, get over it. Your philosophy sucks ass. Go read an Ayn Rand book, and embrace the joys of capitalism like the rest of us.

As for the cop thing.....don't get me started.

MOST cops are poorly-paid blue-collar joes. I know this is probably an unpopular opinion on this board, but they're not the devil, either. I feel a lot of sympathy for the cops of D.C. this weekend, cause they're having to put up with a lot of nonsense from neo-hippie college kids.

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[TheMojoPin]

Believe me, they really don't have anything better to do with their time than to go and spend a day protesting.

Boy, howdy, that's right! Jeepers, I've got a busy day of nothing tomorrow, I better get to bed...

Let's be fair. A lot of us actually believed in being there, in getting our point across peacefully, and to essentially have a show of numbers for those attending the mettings. Those clowns getting arrested and picking on the cops make the rest of us look bad. The organization I went down with, Citizen Works, has been planning their protests for almost four months now. We had meeting points mapped out, where we could/should go, "rules" to follow, and tips made based on security in a post-9/11 environment.

Our country was founded on the idea of the individual or a relatively small group of people making their voices heard. Some of us still do believe in this genuinely, and there's no need to rain on our parade...no pun intended.

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[The Blowhard]

Our country was founded on the idea of the individual or a relatively small group of people making their voices heard.

Check your facts. The founding fathers were wealthy land and slave owners.
It you want to make a difference, register your friends to vote, work with the destitute, help the homeless, tutor a child. Be active in your community.
Standing in the street screaming how evil Starbucks is..that's silly.
You have the right to protest, why not use that energy to really make a difference?

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[DC Reed]

We had the right to say as we want, any way we want. The IMF/WTO protestors are just using that right, they are not abusing it. But when they start to throw rocks, and molotov cocktails, all the political stuff goes down the shitter and choas ensues. Thats why Seattle became a disaster, there was a bit of tension, the cops showed up with mace, and clubs, protestors got scared and then the violence came.

Although you could say that through violence thier voice is heard, as the WTO/IMF is most likely regareded as trouble makers in any city.

BIG KING = You say that they only want to cause trouble.....well if a cop had a paintball gun shooting bean bags, or tear gas and pepper spray, and he had already show he would you it, youd be scared shitless. And how would you react? would you walk away peacefully? or would you at least show them that you are fighting for a cause you so strongly believe in that you would even try and resist? Do you think the cops care about thier causes? probably not, and it ticks the protestors off cause instead of doing what right or morally acceptable, the police start to mace and club ppl, sometimes the innocent and it scares the protestors and creates a nervous tension that rises into a riot. Trust me, Seattle was only a huge riot becaue the cops took the wrong action, started hiting innocents and peacful protesters.

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[BigKing]

i dont know DC reed. I doubt i'd ever be in that situation in the first place. I seem to like to take the oppposite side on most discussions, or situations... Does that make me a bad person? Or a devils advocate??

I was "brought up" to respect the police, and authority figures, and when I see these protestors going out of their way to hassle these police officers it makes me mad. These same ppl that hassle the cops are the first ppl to cry "Help police!!" as soon as they need it.

Its a fact. If you mouth off to a cop, or push them, or are abusive to them, they will rough you up a bit. You gotta think on their point of view... They dont know what someone may have on them. They could be carring a gun or something.

I'm a firm believer that if "You play with matches, you'll get burned." If you hassle a cop, and get in his face, your gonna get knocked down, and cuffed.

Also granted, there are a few "bad apples" in law enorcement, but thats true with any organization.

I also agree that most of the protestors are "neo-college-hippies" and will be back in school on tuesday worring about papers and reports.

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I was "brought up" to respect the police, and authority figures, and when I see these protestors going out of their way to hassle these police officers it makes me mad. These same ppl that hassle the cops are the first ppl to cry "Help police!!" as soon as they need it.


These people are defending their beliefs. Anyone who has the guts to goto a protest in a large city, is going to stand up for them. They are not hassling them on first sight, when they see a cop beat a protestor or mace him, they get wiled up and retalite in self-defence.

I'm a firm believer that if "You play with matches, you'll get burned." If you hassle a cop, and get in his face, your gonna get knocked down, and cuffed.


The Cops should know this too, if they get into a protestors face their gonna get attacked. Its how it is for anyone, the cop wont just let the protestors close a road, they are being paid to keep that from happening at ANY cost. So when a cop gets in a protestors face, the protestor will retaliate, and vice versa.

I also agree that most of the protestors are "neo-college-hippies" and will be back in school on tuesday worring about papers and reports.


Sure, theyll be back in school, or work, they have lives too. But they choose to fight for what they feel is correct. Protesting isnt about trying to relive the 70;s these days, back then you may have been sprayed with water or beaten a bit and taken to jail. Today, you could get tear gased, trampled, burned, severly beaten, arrested, killed even. The people protesting are willing to take these risks because they support thier idea to the fullest, almost to extremism. Im against censorship, if there was a rally for getting rid of it, id go, cause thats what i believe in and i want my voice heard.

You brough up some good points, but you have to understand the psychology of the protestors. They WILL have their voices heard.

When the protestors riot, they get huge media exposure, and too some it will draft them into their ranks. These protestors are not afraid to riot, and they more than likely know that TV cameras wlil show up if there is a slight bit of violence.

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[Yerdaddy]

Just like the anti-slavery movement, the labor movement, the women's suffrage movement, the civil rights movement, and the anti-Vietnam war movement, the majority of people know why they are at these protests. They've decided to participate in thier democracy and change government policies that they believe are unjust. And as with all the previous political movements, they did so despite the criticisms of know-knothings, ("neo-college"?) who resent them for questioning an authority that only discriminates against other people.

The point of these things is that prior to the "anti-globalization" movement, only a handful of people knew anything about the WB/IMF, but in recent years it has had to bend to the political will of the public that is now paying attention to it. Right now converstations are taking place all over the country, (not here, unfortunately), on political subjects that otherwise would never make the news.

So it really doesn't matter what the protesters did after the protests, (I went to the office and did some work afterwards), only that they got up and brought important issues to people's attention. And at least they didn't sit around and bitch about what other people were doing. They help up signs bitching about what other people are doing.

As for the violence or "riots", there were 3-5,000 people today, (according to police), and two arrests - one for puting sticky-tape on a statue in a park. In London today there were 150,000 people protesting the possible war in Iraq - 6 arrests. Focusing on the few trouble-makers is whining.

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[TheMojoPin]

The founding fathers were wealthy land and slave owners.

Heckler, they weren't the Justice League. The American Revolution was fought and won by the common man. To imply that the "Founding Fathers" are the sole reason we're in the country we are today belittles the entire thing.

Besides, why can't I do charitable work, vote, AND protest? I've worked in AIDS hostels since the age of 15...can't I just scream a teensy-tiny bit?

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[Se7en]

We had the right to say as we want, any way we want.

That is the beauty of the 1st Amendment, which also allows me to state my opinion that the protestors are all a bunch of fucking jack-offs.

I know at LEAST a dozen of them too, one of whom got arrested over the weekend.

You say that they only want to cause trouble.....well if a cop had a paintball gun shooting bean bags, or tear gas and pepper spray, and he had already show he would you it, youd be scared shitless. And how would you react? would you walk away peacefully?

YES, if you're a) smart or b) rational. What you DON'T do is try and antagonize the cops. You should see how villified the police officers are amongst these people. Do you want to know why the cops beat the shit out of you? Because you fuck with them. Now we could get into a whole argument about officers abusing their authority, etc., but that's not really necessary. Besides it leads into my next point:

or would you at least show them that you are fighting for a cause you so strongly believe in that you would even try and resist?

Martin Luther King preached non-violent protest, and he changed an entire nation. Everyone should follow his example.

Do you think the cops care about thier causes? probably not, and it ticks the protestors off cause instead of doing what right or morally acceptable, the police start to mace and club ppl, sometimes the innocent and it scares the protestors and creates a nervous tension that rises into a riot.

The "right and morally acceptable" line is pure bullshit, because morals are totally subjective. What may be moral for the protestors may be immoral to 99 percent of the rest of the country. It may be moral to them to throw rocks at "pigs", but others may not take the same view.

As for the police attacking innocents, it's collateral damage. I know that it's an outrage to some for me to say that, but it really is. If you're a cop, in the heat of the moment, and you have 5 people violently reacting to you, and the you hit a 6th, innocent person by accident....tragic, yes. But sometimes unavoidable. I'd say that in demonstrations & protests of this size, if things turn violent, it would be IMPOSSIBLE for at least one innocent person to not get thrown into the confusion and struck or arrested in the melee.

The Cops should know this too, if they get into a protestors face their gonna get attacked. Its how it is for anyone, the cop wont just let the protestors close a road, they are being paid to keep that from happening at ANY cost. So when a cop gets in a protestors face, the protestor will retaliate, and vice versa.

The difference being that magical word, "Privilege".

Cops MAY be privileged to kick your ass. They're usually privileged to arrest you. In protests like this, when things break down, they're more than likely to be privileged to use force to eliminate the threat to protect the public welfare.

You protestors, however, have such a narrow amount of privilege to assault a police officer that it's not EVEN razor-thin. My advice to you: stand there and take the beating. Don't fight back. Then consider a lawsuit.

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[Yerdaddy]

That is the beauty of the 1st Amendment, which also allows me to state my opinion that the protestors are all a bunch of fucking jack-offs.
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[DarkHippie]

I'd wager that many of the people who complain about protestors and see them as "antagonists" who goad the police into beating them have only seen the protests secondhand, either through accounts (the "I was there, trust me") or the all knowing media, who's about as trustworthy as a used car salesman

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