View Full Version : Turkish Police Seize Weapons-Grade Uranium!
skurbs
09-28-2002, 08:24 PM
http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=topnews&StoryID=1508708
if this shit isnt good enough for a nuke it sure is good enough for a dirty bomb... found 140 miles outside of iraq and on its way into the country.
NUKE IRAQ BEFORE ITS TOO LATE
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blakjeezis
09-28-2002, 08:31 PM
Unfortunately, we can't do anything because we don't knwo it was headed for Iraq. What we should have done is let Saddam get his hands on it. But then again, that wouldn't be enough either. What we should do is wait for him to have a functioning weapon before we do anything. Actually, we should really wait for him to use the weapon, just to make sure he's as bad as those right wing chickenhawks say he is.
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skurbs
09-28-2002, 08:36 PM
it was on its way to iraq. he already has some too. nuke 'em. nuke the bastards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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TheMojoPin
09-28-2002, 09:03 PM
I don't get it. That's a common route used to smuggle guns, drugs, weapons, sex slaves, babies, WHATEVER to anywhere in the world. Shouldn't we "nuke Turkey" then?
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Captain Stubing
09-28-2002, 10:35 PM
nuke TurkeyI'll take mine deep-fried, thanks. Actually, we should really wait for him to use the weapon, just to make sure he's as bad as those right wing chickenhawks say he is. Sadly the only acceptable standard of proof to some. <P>
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TheMojoPin
09-29-2002, 06:04 AM
Sadly the only acceptable standard of proof to some.
I used to live in a pretty shitty neighborhood, and guys were dealing drugs in front of my apartment almost constantly. Good things the cop didn't arrest me just because I lived "really close" to the criminal activity.
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Captain Rooster
09-29-2002, 07:19 AM
OK, when we see the mushroom cloud, remember to duck and cover:)
Let's just keep debating this issue while that fucker continues to enhance his arsenal.
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TheMojoPin
09-29-2002, 08:11 AM
The only way I'll see a mushroom cloud is if I'm drafted and forced to storm over the border of Iraq. This story terrifies me because this is the exact same route that terrorists use to smuggle any number of supplies and weapons across the continent. But then again, it's not like we need to worry about THOSE guys...
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Death Metal Moe
09-29-2002, 12:31 PM
Death to our enemies.
Kill em all and let Allah sort em out.
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It could have been headed to Iran as well.
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Yerdaddy
09-29-2002, 01:00 PM
<a href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020929/wl_nm/turkey_uranium_dc_1">Turkish Police Say Seized Uranium Weighs 5 Ounces</a>
What a bummer - it's only 5 ounces. I can hear the disappointed groans coming from the White House 2 miles away.
All this reactionary talk that comes up every time something hits the news is wasted because the fact is that nuclear weapons are difficult to make, difficult to deliver, (the kind that Saddam has worked on in the past would be too big to carry on a missile), and difficult to hide. That's why so few countries have them, and those that do have them could only make them with significant help from a highly industrialized nation. And as with anything that requires such technology, doing it half-assed, (as Saddam's programs have always been), would produce a pathetic bomb that would'nt be very threatening in the first place. Those that think that Saddam is some Dr. No character that can make a doomsday machine out of pure evil under a volcano will continue to distort the issue by appealing to people's fear. Even if there had been 33 pounds of uranuim going into Iraq, it's still only a tiny fraction of what Saddam would need to make a bomb because it's not the highly-enriched uranium that bombs require.
There's still no reason to be so afraid that we don't have time to force inspectors down Saddam's throat and destroy his weapons. UNMOVIC is still reciving and analyzing the highest intelligence that the US and other nations have to offer, and they would have no problem going directly to nuclear facilities and destroy the critical elements immediately. Biological capabilities would take a little more time, and chemical would require a permanent presence of inspectors. But inspectors will do a better job of removing WMD than the military(sorry Rooster). The point is that there is no imminent threat - so inspectors are the best tool to disarm Iraq. If saying that makes me a pussy I'm ok with that. You all can eat me any time.
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TheMojoPin
09-29-2002, 01:04 PM
Yerdaddy, you're making too much sense. Stop it.
And obviously, Saddam was buying the six ounces. It's all part of his diabolical "death by gift basket" plan for taking out the White House...
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Captain Rooster
09-29-2002, 02:33 PM
Inspectors will need to get into the country if they are going to be so much more effective. i am pretty sure a bunker buster would do a bit better than a scientist stopped in the parking lot outside the plant.
Believe me - I do not want senseless killing over this issue, but I do want to know my fellow Americans are safe when they walk through Manhattan and DC.
I just think we need to act and act fast. If we do send inspectors - they need some teeth this time around.
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canofsoup15
09-29-2002, 02:39 PM
We shoulda finished um off the last time we were there, but us being the nice country, decided to let him live.Retarts. <P>
Captain Rooster
09-29-2002, 02:42 PM
Riiiiiight
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Yerdaddy
09-29-2002, 03:15 PM
If we do send inspectors - they need some teeth this time around.
The first 7 years of inspections were comprehensive and effective, but several things undermined them in the security council:
1. The US began to state, then made it official policy that it would not abide by resolution 687 and lift sanctions if UNSCOM certified that Iraq was free of WMD. In other words, the "policy of regime change" removed any incentive for Saddam to comply with inspectors.
2. The devastating effect of sanctions on Iraqi civilians, (over 1 million deaths directly related to the sanctions, while actually strengthening Saddam's hold on power in the country, eroded political support for the sanctions regime.
3. Interested primarily in their economic ties to Iraq, France, China and Russia began pressuring for an end to sanctions and the compromise was a weakening of the inspections regime.
4. The successes of UNSCOM in destroying huge portions Iraq's WMD led to decreased concearn about the actual threat that Saddam posed and allowed the inspections to be manipulated by the Clinton Administration for other political considerations. IE: as the threat became less real, the residual fear of Saddam in the public became a political tool that the Clinton adminsitration, (and I think Bush's administration), could not resist using to achieve domestic political objectives, (disruption of the impeachment process, in Clinton's case, and as a way to counter the historical trend for the party of a sitting president to lose congressional seats in midterm elections - especially tempting with such a close margin of control in either house).
So, again, my opinion is that if the president is serious about Saddam's WMD,he would throw full political support behind the original inspection regime under SCR687, and use the current military buildup as the stick against Saddam's resistance, and as a political bulwark against waffling on the part of the other permanent members of the security council.
Where I'm probably just wishful thinking is in the hope that a president would resist the temptation to manipulate the situation for political gains. We haven't had a man like that in the presidency since FDR.
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furie
09-29-2002, 03:51 PM
It could have been headed to Iran as well.
doubt it.
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TheMojoPin
09-29-2002, 04:54 PM
doubt it.
But we don't know, do we?
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whale_JUNK
09-29-2002, 06:04 PM
there is one easy answer: kill all muslims. they are unable to assimilate to the modern world. they cling to an archaic lifestyle where a foolish religion supersedes decency. these people are filth. we could destroy the entire middle east and nobody would care. in fact, everyone would be delighted to see this vermin removed. but unfortunately we are bound by morals that islamic extremists are not. i know that not all muslims have a extreme hatred for the west, but why take a chance? <P>
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DarkHippie
09-29-2002, 06:08 PM
we could destroy the entire middle east and nobody would care
except of course all the people in the middle east who would now be dead. Do you really want all that blood on your hands?
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