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TheKnicks23
10-10-2002, 05:42 PM
Whenever i see a computer on T.V. there is always blinking and lines going up and down on the monitor. Do you have an answer for this or has nobody else noticed it?
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newport king
10-10-2002, 05:46 PM
i used to think it was because everyone else just had a bad computer but someone once told me it has something to do with the electronics in the monitor being filmed which makes it blink and that line go down it when it is replayed on television. i guess it's kind of like using a cell phone while listening to the radio, nextel's are notorious for this. then again what do i know.
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INFOSTUD
10-10-2002, 05:52 PM
I know this one. They because of the monitor's refresh rate. That's the rate at which it re-draws the image on the screen. It re-draws the image to prevent
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Hawiian shirt craig
10-10-2002, 07:09 PM
info had the right idea. the
average computer and/or tv
refreshes 60 times
persecond, fooling our
brain into thinking that
these 60 still images per
second are in fluid motion.
the reason it blinks is b/c
film takes still pictures at a
rapid rate. the effect is
synergistic and you catch
the monitor blinking.
thats why. if ur confused IM
me. i'll give you a breif
physics lesson.
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Patches
10-11-2002, 12:03 PM
Just saw the 7:30 Seinfeld huh? I caught that and was wondering too.
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TheKnicks23
10-11-2002, 03:35 PM
Just saw the 7:30 Seinfeld huh?
Yep, I've seen it on a couple of other shows before but that reminded me.
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SatCam
10-11-2002, 04:26 PM
I always thought it was because of the tubing in the screen. And you cant see as good. But on tv shows like live audiences liek America's Funniest Home Videos or somthing, I thought they use LCD screen to make it easier for the camera to see, instead of the tubing
Just a thought
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HSC is right. Depending on the refresh rate of the monitor, screens shown in movies or tv will appear to flicker as the "frames per second" on the viewing media is different than that of the monitor. If I remember correctly, plasma screens and LCD monitors don't have this effect due to the fact that they operate in a dissimilar process to cathode ray tube monitors.
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kensai
10-11-2002, 05:07 PM
I believe LCDs don't actually refresh like CRT monitors. CRT monitors repaint the screen 60 times per second until they get a new color and than repaint it that new color 60 times per second. LCDs paint the picture for you once and than stay illuminated until it receives a new color to paint the screen. At least that is what i remember reading once. <P>
Ralphy Ramone
10-12-2002, 05:39 PM
the reason it blinks is b/c
film takes still pictures at a
rapid rate. the effect is
synergistic and you catch
the monitor blinking.
I thought it was because film moves at a slower rate,just like my old 8mm.Those films were real jerky,just like this thread.
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SatCam
10-12-2002, 07:09 PM
If I made the shutter on my camcorder slower, would it change anything?
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HordeKing1
10-13-2002, 10:39 PM
Movies are filmed at a relatively slow rate of only 24 frames per second.
Digital "Film" that will replace conventional movie film in the very near future shoots at about 60 FPS.
I recall reading that the flickering CRT monitors in movies is caused by the difference in the refresh rate.
You don't see this w/lcd monitors b/c they do not refresh the same way as crt's do.
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BrianTheBailBondsman
10-14-2002, 08:30 AM
well its becouse the monitor has an inferiority complex to the much larger wide screen .. thus as he stands to toe to toe... he blink's much like a flintch.
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INFOSTUD
10-14-2002, 10:01 AM
Craig: <P> Thanks for acknowleging that my answer is right. Unfortunately, my entire post didn't get posted. I even mentioned the scan rate of the TV. Like you said it's a mismatch between the TV's scan rate and the PC Monitor's refresh rate. To take a picture of the TV screen with a regular 35 mm camera you have to set the shutter speed to 60.<P> <P> <P>
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SatCam
10-14-2002, 01:23 PM
Digital "Film" that will replace conventional movie film in the very near future shoots at about 60 FPS.I learned about this in my video class. Digital film does not replace conventional because of costs: It costs more to create the film, and also to project it. I'd have to look back at my notes to tell you more though
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BrianTheBailBondsman
10-15-2002, 09:31 AM
Geez now im really sorry i didnt take the media in communications class in H.S.
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wilee
10-15-2002, 09:38 AM
The effect is referred to as "aliasing" (Before I get scores of comments talking about aliasing being a graphics term, pick up a book on digital sampling and you'll see that this is the correct term)
Aliasing occurs when a sampling rate (such as the TV or film camera that's recording) is trying to capture something of a higher or similar frequency. The minimum recommended sampling rate for frequencies is greater than twice the highest frequency.
So some samples would be:
Audio, approximate highest a human can hear is about 22kHz. The best sampling rate is therefore >44kHz (This is why you see 44.1kHz so prevalent in digital audio programs).
Standard NTSC television 30 frames per second, Sampling should be >60fps
Film = 24fps, best sampling rate should be >48fps
The assertion about LCDs not having a refresh rate is not entirely correct. Most LCDs use a matrix-type set-up to update the screen. Dual-scan LCD's have a similar "refresh" to a regular monitor. The flickering is not as noticeable, however, because the materials that are used have a better persistance of vision (stay illuminated longer) than standard monitor or TV phosphers. However, they are not actual switch type transistors, they are more like capacitors that need refreshing.
Active Matrix (sometimes also called TFT or Thin Film Transistor) screens use a transistor that acts as a switch to "turn on" the colors on the screen. Depending on the method of manufacture, they may use 3 or more transistors per pixel.
You may notice also that monitors/TV's tend to flicker more under flourescent light than incandescent. When monitors are set to lower refresh rates, this is very noticeable.
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HordeKing1
10-15-2002, 09:33 PM
SATELITECAM - It has a higher start-up cost but is cheaper in the long run and will eventually become standard because of the superior quality
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SRFSTARVD
10-17-2002, 11:14 AM
It actually has to do with the Frames that the FILM has compaired to the frames the tv has
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Bob Impact
10-18-2002, 07:08 PM
Someone mentioned plasma screens earlier, and no, they will not flicker on film, they refresh in a different way than CRT screens.
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HordeKing1
10-18-2002, 08:54 PM
CRT's redraw every pixel many times per second. Every time you see the screen you're seeing a new picture (and an exact duplicate) of what you were seeing before.
LCD's don't refresh like that. They don't redraw images, unless a pixel of color has changed. Even then they'll only redraw that one pixel to match the new color.
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