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SteveJRogersJR
12-18-2002, 08:30 AM
Writing the last post I did got me in a ranting mood so I'm "gonna shoot" all over the mess that is Extreme Talk 102.7, Talk That Many Have Ignored:

-Mismanaged from day one. Some days I wonder if Infinity designed the experiment to fail considering the lack of insight they put into the station. Granted the various PDs and GMs over the years didn't help matters but still. No thought was put into it, just ride O&A and see how far they could get away with that. The biggest indictment of that philosophy was R&F's first show after the cancellation. No one spoke to them, they didn't know exactly how to proceed or even if they should go to work the next day (and I'm sure they're still not convinced that they'll be back in NY on 1/6/03)

-No promotion, no credibility. How long was this just "The Opie And Anthony Station" and its STILL The O&A station. How many people know Ron and Fez exists? How many people actually LISTEN to Tom Lykis or know he's back in NY? Can someone tell me why WNEW has the worst promo staff right now in radio? And it got worse when they lost just about everyone to KRock.

-Howard Factor
Heres a question. Why? Why didn't they just do an end around and instead of giving up mornings just do something DIFFRENT! Target a diffrenet demo in the morning if Stern's ego won't let them move O&A or a like program in the morning. Lionel would have been a perfect pickup in the Fall of 2001 after the end of WEVD (yeah I know he runs live at night but he did a morning show on WABC and could have worked on WNEW) Hell ANYONE would have been better than the motley crew that they have had in the mornings. Which leads to a whole rant on the sports guys and extreme sports:

They should have ended the sports guys and SIGNED The Jim Rome show. The whole "Sports Guys" concept was very flawed, 99% of the time they talked about anything BUT sports and quite frankly if the name of the show was "SPORTS" than it should have been about SPORTS and there are ways to have a "O&A" style sports show (see Sid and Jody, Ferrall On The Bench, or Jim Rome, hell early Chris Russo shows could be considered "extreme" ) Also they put their eggs in a very shaky basket once they brought Scott Ferrall on board. Yeah I know he was fired by association, but he is a time bomb who burned many bridges in his broadcast career, plus do you REALLY want a guy who sounds like he wants nothing to do with being on the air ON THE AIR? The guy never seemed to have any fun on the air.

What they should have done was to have goten Jim Rome for the 12-2 shift. That way it eliminated cross-overs from M&MD and given the station a little more credibility than the revolving door of "The Sports Guys" (and Neer and Allen do not do that BTW THAT was a huge mistake IMHO as they are a complete clash with the rest of the format) Also how great would it have been if Infinity had ANY balls and put either baseball team on WNEW? The NEW home of the NEW York (either Yanks or Mets) is 'NEW 102.7 or if the FAN moved either Knicks or Rangers to FM full-time. Nothing adds to a station's cred than putting an area's sports franchise on its air on a regular basis. (see WFAN and the Mets and Talk Radio 77 and the Yankees)

-Political Talk
When WEVD went bye-bye the FIRST thing WNEW should have done was HIRE MR. ALAN COLMES. Again, he would give some credibility that the station was going to be around for the long haul and wasn't just "The O&A station" and that would have added to the old "Talk You Can't Ignore" slogan because Alan (along with O&A, R&F, ect) would have been the perfect anitode for those tired of the same old right-wing conservative talk you get on ABC and WOR. And he would have fit the format perfectly. Same goes for another person they should have gotten Lynn Samules once WABC sacked her and she got gobbled up by WLIE (or whatever its called) She's has a big following in NY and would have given instant credibilty and boosted the ratings.

Basically the point is they DIDN'T TRY. They just rode O&A's coat tails and even that boat w

RandomNY
12-18-2002, 12:35 PM
You know MArk Chernoff should be fired.. When he brought up putting THE FAN IN THE MORNING on WNEW... he said.. THAT THERE IS A NICHE FOR SPORTS IN THE MORNING.(basically meaning that don't listen to Imus but listen to the FAN the rest of the day) Ferrall ratings were near a 2 share in his last book.. Neer and Alan has a .7 share in the last book, which is what NEW had before Ferrall was hired...

I have to agree Infinity just tried to ride O and A and deal with no rating before they came on during the day... That is the main problem with 1 company owning a bunch of stations in 1 market... Why would infinity need to bring either Mets or Knicks or Rangers to NEW full time.. when if they needed to they could just moved whatever game they wanted to, and put it on NEW like they did with the Giants a couple of Sunday's ago... Actual competition between stations would do to NY market a lot of good....

There is too much of the same crap across the whole gamit of stations in this market and probably most other large radio markets.

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Abrasive Dean
12-18-2002, 12:45 PM
Can someone tell me why WNEW has the worst promo staff right now in radio? And it got worse when they lost just about everyone to KRock.


Well right now they haven't got too much to promote. It is mostly re-runs. I pity their sales staff - how the hell can you get anyone to advertise?

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LatinJoker
12-18-2002, 04:01 PM
And you are?Lawyers,General Managers,Program Directors,they can't figure out how to fix this mess,but look out,SteveJRogersJR has the answer.

I'm Ron and Fez's lovechild.You so stuuupid!!!

jaxoncoherent
12-18-2002, 05:18 PM
i think Steve's analysis is well thought out and insightful. But to answer why they don't promote. Why promote something that you are so unsure about. And there is a lack of good talk that isn't already on radio. What else can be done Anyone doing "shock" looks like a Stern rip off and anyone who does conservative talk looks like they are ripping off Bob grnat and Rush. There is no market for liberal talk. And sports is covered by the Fan. Talk radio is a tough sell

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bad samaritan
12-18-2002, 05:35 PM
Actually, I was wondering what was up with the sales/promo staff. In the last couple months, it seems like they've had some larger advertisers (hardly any f potions anymore) and just think about all the prizes R&F have had to give away recently. It was never like that before.

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max_volume
12-18-2002, 09:17 PM
Basically the point is they DIDN'T TRY. <P>
You hit the nail on the head with that one. Former management - Ken and Jeremy - came from running WJFK. In Washington, Stern and Don & Mike were big enough names that the station sold itself. They never _had_ to do any promotion, and never did. And JFK became the top billing FM station in the market with absolutely no effort on their part. <P>
When given the task of running WNEW, K and J naturally thought 'hey, what worked there will work here.' That's where they were wrong. New York is a very different market than Washington. Media outlets reqire more careful positioning becuase of the larger, more diverse audience, and the intense competition. It seemed to me that NEW never really did that. Sure, there were some bumper stickers, and a Times Square ad, but that only takes care of one of your programs. What about the other 5 of 6? They've got to be worked into the mix too if you want the station to be successful as a whole.

Good rant, SteveJRogersJR. You really have some good ideas. If only the RonFez.net denizens ran Infinity...

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This message was edited by max_volume on 12-19-02 @ 1:20 AM

KC2OSO
12-18-2002, 09:42 PM
If only the RonFez.net denizens ran Infinity...

denizens? harumph - more like people who didn't know what to say...just a thought¨;

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SteveJRogersJR
12-19-2002, 04:53 AM
And you are?Lawyers,General Managers,Program Directors,they can't figure out how to fix this mess,but look out,SteveJRogersJR has the answer.


Oh thats Rude and Rude.

You think Mike Bloomberg is going to repeal his anti-smoking laws just because Ron and Fez say its stupid and he should spend time on other issues? Its a damn opinion FBLEEP'N Latin Loving idiot

SteveJRogersJR
12-19-2002, 04:57 AM
You know MArk Chernoff should be fired.. When he brought up putting THE FAN IN THE MORNING on WNEW... he said.. THAT THERE IS A NICHE FOR SPORTS IN THE MORNING.(basically meaning that don't listen to Imus but listen to the FAN the rest of the day) Ferrall ratings were near a 2 share in his last book.. Neer and Alan has a .7 share in the last book, which is what NEW had before Ferrall was hired...

Agreed, and that was not a well thought out move either. Neer is good at keeping people sleeping (hence his Sir Somonex nickname in the NY Daily News' Bob Raisman column) If Chernoff REALLY thought it through maybe send Jody and Sid (or just Sid) over to do the morning show (if its just Sid do it from Astoria) as they can work a weekday morning style that Richard Neer can not.

Hell moving Ferrall back to the FAN and having him do the show as "The Fan In The Morning With Ferrall On The Bench" would have been a better choice (Though I wonder how many Infinity bridges he has burned, I'm still shocked they let him on NEW after he burned WFAN to work for ESPN1050)

Halfpops
12-19-2002, 06:30 AM
It seemed that just as Ferrall, R&F and O&A started to crossover the plug was pulled. And (2) of the (3) shows received absolutely no promotion at all.The sex for sam was a bad move on managements part- not O&A's- it was approved by K&J-As bad as D&M may have been(imo), having them be the "demon seed" in the midday would have made for great radio- (if you ask feeders in the su they'll tell you that D&M were very popular-someone was listening)again management not could see past the fighting and work out a way to have a full day live schedule. Leykis on a taped show in the middle of the day in the biggest radio market in the world basically says it all about WNEW's management-

That's all from me and i'll never rant about this issue again. Promise.

Just Get It Done!

RandomNY
12-19-2002, 11:22 AM
Come Jan 6th. If New turns into Barbara Streisand all day long I will remove the station from every radio I own.



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IT'S ABOOUTT GETTINGG GUYSSS LAAIIDD!!!!!--Lickass

Die of Disteria you pathetic hack.. AWFUL-- NORTON

dash riprock
12-19-2002, 01:09 PM
U want to bring in Jim Rome,Alan Colmes and Lynn Samuels....this might work if we lived in bizarro world and they actually had talent!

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DJEvelEd
12-19-2002, 01:28 PM
It seemed that just as Ferrall, R&F and O&A started to crossover the plug was pulled.

Ferrall's ratings were going up when he was fired. He had a loyal,rabid,growing fan base. He has GREAT talent,GREAT vocal skills, highly controversial and entertaining. How can firing him be good business?

>>Big Bird is Ferrall's bitch<<