the death penalty

[Arienette]

i'm sure there's been a thread on this before, but i can't find it, and i'm sure there are a lot of new members since, anyway

so... i am taking a criminal law class, and have been made to think a lot already about the death penalty, and what i think of it. so now i'm curious as to what your take is...

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[Reephdweller]

i support the death penalty though i think it's largely ineffective. i'd like to see a hell of a lot more people put to death, i think it would help deter crime. but i don't think we have the stomach for it, so i don't think the system actually has any benefit on society by having the death penalty.

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[A.J.]

I'm pro-death penalty.

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[Arienette]

i havent made up my mind yet, but i just wanted to share an excerpt from a decision that just sickened me. keep in mind that it's from the 19th century...

"jose manuel miguel xavier gonzales, in a few short weeks it will be spring. the snows of winter will flee away, the ice will vanish, and the air will become soft and balmy. in short, jose manuel miguel xavier gonzales, the annual miracle of the years will awaken and come to pass, but you won't be there"

and...

"you won't be here to enjoy it because i command the sheriff... to lead you out to some remote spot, swing you by the neck from a knotting bough of some sturdy oak, and let you hang until you are dead."

and also...

"i further command that such officer... retire quickly from your dangling corpse, so that vultures may descend from the heavens upon your filthy body until nothing shall remain but bare, bleached bones of a cold-blooded, ... bloodthirsty, throat-cutting, murdering son of a bitch."

nice opinion, eh?

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[CaptClown]

I am pro death penalty myself, even though I have a family member up on capitol murder charges.

[FUNKMAN]

if the person is caught on video committing murder, then put a bullet in his/her head IMMEDIATELY! NO TRIAL!

Otherwise, LIFE IN PRISON if found guilty!

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[reeshy]

As some people already know, I have been in the law enforcement field for many years. I have seen all manner of crimes committed by miscreants against the innocent and not so innocent. I have met people who do not deserve to cohabit with others. But for the life of me, I could never advocate the taking of a human life after the fact. To me, a more fitting punishment is life without parole, in solitary, with none of the usual amenities(TV, books, exercise, etc.) Make this son of a bitch aware of why he is in this predicament every day of his miserable life-nuff said!!!

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[TheMojoPin]

I'm sort of indifferent. But overall I just get a sense of like, "hmmm, so ANOTHER person is dead because of this case. Wow, that solved a lot." I say we take a page from the Soviets and turn Alaska into our own Sibera. Rapists, kid touchers, murderers...they ALL get shipped off to a millitary-guarded camp in the middle of nowhere. One meal, one half-meal, 5-6 hours of sleep, and the rest spent either in isolation or working their asses off. Bush want that American oil so bad? Make these animals dig it out with their bare hands. Death just releases these guys and deters few, if anyone else. Make their lives living hells, every minute, every day, for the rest of their life.

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[irishkb]

i am all for the death penalty but it does not do what it was originally designed for. in no way does the death penalty stop people from committing murder or any other crime that might me corpral death. and as long as there are liberals who fight the limiting of appeals then people will die of old age before capital punishment.. the death penalty cost a lot of money because of the appeals. there is really no good solution to this problem.. you could build more prisons like Marion(sp) State prison. it is a 23 1/5hr lock up prison. just you and your cell every day.. you will get over loaded with this great info as you go along in school have..

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[TheMojoPin]

and as long as there are liberals who fight the limiting of appeals then people will die of old age before capital punishment..

This ties into an interesting point...a lot of states are suspending or even thinking of banning the death penalty because of cases that are re-examined and are found to be inaccurate, and the person convicted is only guilty of a lesser crime, or totally innocent altogether! Now granted, these kinds of cases are only a few dozen to a few thousand that are probably a "sure thing", but how many "innocent" people killed can be considered "acceptable loses"? Just when I think I possibly support the death penalty, the idea of someone innocent or not guilty of a crime worthy of execution being put to death by the government really creeps me out.

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[NewYorkDragons80]

The death penalty solves nothing. It teaches a society to solve their problems through violence and revenge. Even if someone is caught on tape, as was mentioned, nobody deserves the death penalty. In every way, the death penalty emobodies failure.

I'm paraphrasing John Walsh here, but after Timothy McVeigh's execution he said "If you really wanted Timothy McVeigh to pay for his crimes, you would not have given him the death penalty, but put him with the general prison population."

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[Arienette]

as i mentioned, i am still undecided on this issue. however, reading through these posts got me thinking - how would you feel if you or someone close to you were the victim of one of these crimes? while i'm generally opposed to violence and murder and whatnot, i dont know that i'd necessarily be opposed to having the monster who was responsible for whatever horrible act being put to death as a result. that all said, i think i like mojo's idea. part of my hesitation with life in prison is the cost involved. it's pretty damn expensive to keep someone in jail for their entire lives, and from what i understand it's not even all that unpleasant. i dont even have cable.

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[ADF]

I don't have enough confidence in the justice system to expect the death penalty to be carried out efficiently or fairly. Speaking objectively, I don't think it solves much of anything. Still, if someone killed a member of my family, I'm realistic enough to know that I'd want that person dead.

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[schmega]

i think if your ass keeps landing in jail, you should be put to death. at the very least, exiled.

[RapeFantasizer]

I am very pro-capitol punishment. I feel, however, that it should be far more severe. An eye for an eye. They should be put to death the way they committed the crime that they did.

[Death Metal Moe]

Kill 'em and Grill 'em.

Other countries are big pussies.

USA hast he balls to kill people who need to die.

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[The Blowhard]

As some people already know, I have been in the law enforcement field for many years. I have seen all manner of crimes committed by miscreants against the innocent and not so innocent. I have met people who do not deserve to cohabit with others. But for the life of me, I could never advocate the taking of a human life after the fact. To me, a more fitting punishment is life without parole, in solitary, with none of the usual amenities(TV, books, exercise, etc.) Make this son of a bitch aware of why he is in this predicament every day of his miserable life-nuff said!!!


Reeshy nailed it. I agree with him 100%. My main reason for being against the death penalty is the corruption in our government. The rich will walk, the impoverished, minorities and those "targeted" by crooked Pols will die. You can't trust the government, it's that simple.

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[DJEvelEd]

If we are condeming an act of murder, (which is usually the cause for the death penalty, i believe) in my opinion, then what makes it right for a individual (judge) or a group of people (jury) hidden behind the guise of the law to commit the same offense.

I'd much rather see someone suffer the rest of their years thinking about the act they committed or get the crap beat out of them (ala Jeffrey Dahmer) in prison then a easy easy death (ala lethal injection)


My sentiments exactly. If killing someone is wrong, it's wrong for EVERYONE. Suffer in solitary and if possible, prolong the convicts life to give him more time to learn. I think WE learn more about hate from a LIVE criminal mind than a dead one. Once we understand hate and what drives it, maybe we can fix it.

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[Abrasive Dean]

My father was present at the last execution of a prisoner in the UK when he had not long started in the Prison Service.

He never talks about it much except to reiterate how anti death-sentence he is.

However as this was a hanging I imagine that may have contributed to his distaste for the penalty.

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[DarkHippie]

I question the validity of a punishment when said punishment mimics the original crime.

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For those interested in such things:

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[phixion]

i approve the death penalty just for the cash of the situation. i dont want my taxes going to feed and warm a man who doesnt deserve to live. but i dont want anyone to die unless they are 100% guilty. im sick and tired of innocent men dying. plus i dont retards getting the needle either. you can think my views are crap but this is coming from a person who has a brother in jail. i mean the bigger issue is whether or not the correctional facilities in this country help to rehabilitate criminals? cuz i can assure you alot of CO's (correction officer's) are worse than the criminals inside. im not saying all im saying alot. the prison system itself needs to be reevaluated!!!

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[FiveB247]

Here's a few facts about the death penalty...It costs two to three times more to kill a person via the death penalty due to court fee's, lawyer fee's and procedures; it would be cheaper to keep someone in jail at a fixed mark of 40 years then to kill them with the penalty (40 yrs being the amount they calculated for money purposes). So anyone who says they waste their tax money on keeping people in jail is incorrect.

The death penalty puts possible innocent people to death while minimally killing the guilty who'd rather die instead of paying their price for taking life. Simply said, by killing we are doing these people a favor, not us.

The US is the only modern democratic, industrialized nation to still hold this barbaric ritual. Just sad.

[NYCswede7]

Corruption in the government is why Heckler is against the death penalty? Am I missing something? How does the government corrupt a sentence?
There are FAR more liberal judges than conservative judges. And a judge can throw out a jury finding...even a grand jury.
My own feeling is that there is a big difference between murder and killing. I do believe that there are crimes so heinous that you forfiet your right to live in society even a prison society. The death penalty is meant to be a punishment for the murderer, not a tool to help the victims family overcome their grief. It is better to cleanse society of the 100% guilty than to store them away. 100% proven guilt, or no death sentence.

[Dan]

The Death Penalty is our
country's shame.

It is barbaric, unjustly applied,
and far more trouble than it's
worth.

We are the only civilized country
in the world with the death
penalty and we still have the
highest murder rate among the
same group.




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Dan...are you my echo?

[NewYorkDragons80]

Dan, do you mean to tell me that Pakistan doesn't make your "civilized country" list?

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