Should Pregnant Crackheads Be Sterilized?

[The Blowhard]

I say yes. Think of the poor babies that are suffering, destined to a life of hell!

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[Orallo]

Actually I cant remember of the name of the (little known or publicized) program that pays $200 cash to any drug user to get sterilized.

Its a private republican group that has been offering this for years.

Charming.

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[furie]

i heard this story on 1010wins last week. At first i thought it was a good idea. But now I'm not sure. It doesn't seem to be addressing the drug addiction issue or how to solve it. That should be the focus.

I also thought the money was a little low for the old snip-snip procedure.


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[Orallo]

Here, I found a link on the story.

http://www.newsfrombabylon.com/article.php?sid=2694

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[furie]

The organization was started in Orange County, Calif., in 1997 by Barbara Harris, a housewife and former waitress, after she adopted four children from the same drug-addicted mother.


why do you assume this is funded by the republicans?

here,they're even in <a href="http://www.equityfeminism.com/articles/2001/000122.html"> Canada </a> where the republican party doesn't exist.


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This message was edited by furie on 1-16-03 @ 5:31 PM

[schmega]

a bullet's cheaper than sterilization.

[HordeKing1]

Should Pregnant Crackheads Be Sterilized

To use an antiquated phrase, that's akin to whipping a horse after it's dead. If they're pregnant already, sterilizing them won't terminate the pregnancy - only an abortion will do that, and spare the fetus a life of misery.

Therefore your query may be more properly considered if framed; "Should the State rquire fetuses doomed to a short life of crippling mental and physical problems (by the self inflicted abuse of their mother) be mandatorily aborted? It's a lot more charged when phrased in those terms.

If you believe that drug addicts cannot be rehabilitated, sterilization makes sense. If addicts can be rehabilitated sterilization is draconian as it punishes them permenantly for a condition that may be temporary.

The issue was reviewed in the Supreme Court (focusing on a state law mandating sterilization of those in state mental institutions). The majority opinion read in pertinent part "3 generations of imbiciles is enough."


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[reeshy]

It's kind of late if they're already pregnant!!!!!!!

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[ADF]

There are always going to be crackheads in this world. Sterilizing them won't put an end to crackbabies. Poverty is the problem. The answer? I have no idea.

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[Death Metal Moe]

WOW!

HECKLER IS HARDCORE!!

He wants the woman sterilized WITH the kid still in the womb!

Just put an m-80 up there I guess?

That sounds like a Cannibal Corpse CD cover I saw. Wait, I mean a CD I HAVE!!

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[TheMojoPin]

Wasn't the last Western civilization to even consider sterilizing its own citizens on a massive scale the Nazis?

Is it too much to ask to not be Nazis?

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[The Blowhard]

Is it too much to ask to not be Nazis?


National Socialists damn it, National Socialists!!!!

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[silera]

Without crack fiend mommas we wouldn't have Tupac.



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[angrymissy]

For women, they were proposing Norplant, which would effectively sterilize them for 6 years, until they had it taken out.

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[furie]

Wasn't the last Western civilization to even consider sterilizing its own citizens on a massive scale the Nazis?


I think it was the Soviets in the Ukraine.

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[JerryTaker]

Is it too much to ask to not be Nazis?

To relate this to Nazi-ism is to compare Crackheads evenly with Jews, that's not right.

We refuse to admit that some people are just "lost causes" and don't deserve to be a normal part of society. The perpetuation of unwanted children is a cancer on our society that we refuse to treat...


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[TheMojoPin]

To relate this to Nazi-ism is to compare Crackheads evenly with Jews, that's not right.

No, it's comparing the possibility of a "civilized" Western government deciding to sterilize a segment of its own people with another that that proposed the same. The only comparison between the victims would be that they are citizens of the countries that may wish to make with the snippety-snip. If I was saying "Jews are like crackheads", I would have SAID "Jews are like crackheads." A victim is a victim. Being Jewish wouldn't make someone a "better" victim.

And while I think I can understand what possible supporters of this might be thinking, how does it solve the crack problem? "Crack babies" usually don't survive beyond a few years, so sterilizing crack addicts while hardly get rid of the crack problem. Shouldn't the issue be how to actually get rid of crack? Because as long as it's there, there will ALWAYS be crackheads, regardless of who their mommy or daddy was.

We refuse to admit that some people are just "lost causes" and don't deserve to be a normal part of society. The perpetuation of unwanted children is a cancer on our society that we refuse to treat...

"Abortions for some...tiny American flags for others!"

What does it say about our mentality if some people are willing (Granted, some are just saying it for a joke) to allow their government to dictate how/when/if they can have a child through surgery, yet even thinking to muck with something like the right to bear arms is Unamerican and unethical? Apples and oranges to some, sure, but man, some of our priorities are REALLY out of whack...

Jerry-this isn't a shot at you, just a very broad musing...

Furie-You're right about the Soviets...

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The answer? I have no idea.

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[TheMojoPin]

National Socialists damn it, National Socialists!!!!

Talk about an argument for sterilization...

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[JerryTaker]

A victim is a victim. Being Jewish wouldn't make someone a "better" victim.


You can't compare people being sterilized because the government didn't like "who they were" and people who should be sterilized because of "what they're doing," because there's a huge difference there. Crackheads, as a rule, are not just destroying themselves but their immediate community, they create a monetary "black hole" because all the money that goes into 'curing' them only ends up enableing. In essence, its society that becomes the "victim," not the crackheads...

Now personally I think there should be alot of restrictions on who should be allowed to have children, but that's a whole other can of worms...

if some people are willing (Granted, some are just saying it for a joke) to allow their government to dictate how/when/if they can have a child through surgery, yet even thinking to muck with something like the right to bear arms is Unamerican and unethical?

I seriously doubt you'll see too many individuals who hold both parts of that position, they really have nothing to do with each other, and they seem to be on opposite bi-partisan lines...

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[TheMojoPin]

You can't compare people being sterilized because the government didn't like "who they were" and people who should be sterilized because of "what they're doing," because there's a huge difference there. Crackheads, as a rule, are not just destroying themselves but their immediate community, they create a monetary "black hole" because all the money that goes into 'curing' them only ends up enableing. In essence, its society that becomes the "victim," not the crackheads...

I can compare the two, because I'm simply comparing the idea of two governments deciding that they can mandate who can and can't have children through surgery. You're choosing to compare and contrast the victims here. I don't don't care WHO the "chosen people" are, I just find the whole idea overall to be monstrous, impossble and awful. You say that the "cures" fail, but really , the only "cures" attempted are throwing them into our out-of-control prisons, which are nothing more than enabling centers for drug addicts and dealers. To ignore the possibility of changing the obviously misfought and inadequate "war on drugs" or our misused prison system, we're going to instead allow the government to start slashing at our reproductive organs? And at what point does it stop? Who's to say who's fit or not fit to not have a child? Sure, there are plenty of so-called "lost causes", but the gray area is far too huge to allow something like this to become reality...

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[Christy]

I smell a "Crack Babies" bit ...

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[furie]

hey, remember when this thread was on the right track?

good times. good times.

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[TheMojoPin]

hey, remember when this thread was on the right track?

No.

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[HordeKing1]

Remember, mandatory sterilization laws of people institutionalized in State run mental institutions were in effect in the United States (and ruled constitutional) until WWII.

The American Eugenics Society was an important political force from about 1920 to about 1940.

Of course, no nation has ever come close in scope or practice to the eugenics policies of the Nazis. (I won't get into the murder of 6,000,0000 Jews, but rather discuss the murder of handicapped Germans.)

The "Law for the Prevention of Progeny with Hereditary Diseases," required the sterilization of all people who suffered from diseases considered hereditary, such as mental illness and retardation. Also included were the physically handicapped such as the deformed, the blind, the deaf, and epileptics. An estimated 300,000 to 400,000 people were sterilized under the law.

The German media stigmatized the mentally ill and the handicapped and highlighted the costs of care. School mathematics books posed such questions as: "The construction of a lunatic asylum costs 6 million marks. How many houses at 15,000 marks each could have been built for that amount?" This paved the way for euthanasia programs designed to exterminate the mentally ill and the handicapped, "cleansing" the Aryan race of people considered genetically defective and a financial burden. Meticulous records document 70,273 deaths by gassing at six euthanasia centers between January 1940 and August 1941. In all, between 200,000 and 250,000 mentally and physically handicapped people were murdered between 1939 and 1945 under euthanasia programs. (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, Handicapped. Available: http://www.holocaust-trc.org/hndcp.htm

The shocking details of the Nazi eugenics program led to the revocation of mandatory sterilization laws in the United States, shortly after WWII and the dissolution of the American Eugenics movement.

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