Do You Think America Acts Arrogantly? [Archive]

Orallo

01-20-2003, 01:50 PM

Yes, and we are paying the price for it.

I'm not saying we should or should not be arrogant, I'm saying there is a price to pay for being arrogant.

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LiquidCourage

01-20-2003, 01:55 PM

In some cases, yes, but a lot of the times that people say we're arrogant it's just anti American bullshit.

Lucento

01-20-2003, 02:04 PM

We may be arrogent in some areas, but as a culture, we have gone well above and beyond as far as morality and compassion are concerned. In Boznia, we had nothing to gain yet we went to their defence. Any other country with our power would have leveled Afghanistan after Sept.11th. Yet we are giving them aid. Sure we need oil, it lubricates the machine of our society. In europe, they are paying $5 a gallon for gas, yet pussies every day are against our action with Iraq. Individually you will centainly find an arrogent person (even me) but culturally? We are saints compared to some.

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ChickenHawk

01-20-2003, 02:06 PM

Do you think America acts
arrogantly even today in most of
its affairs?
No.

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McNabbShouldDie

01-20-2003, 02:11 PM

I dont think we act that arrogantly, but we should. I mean, we are AMERICA.

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Black_Metal_Jon

01-20-2003, 02:12 PM

Arrogantly....hmmm, sometimes yes. Sometimes no. But does it really matter what we think? I think what countries think are more important, and I think they think we are arrogant as all hell !

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Coco

01-20-2003, 02:20 PM

To be honest, I think that most of the world views us as arrogant and I think we are deluding ourselves if we think otherwise.

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canofsoup15

01-20-2003, 02:25 PM

Its not that were arrogant as much as it is they're jealous. We are really the best country in the world, or one of um at least. We have money, oil, cars, transportation, jobs, basic things other countries either dont have, or cant afford.

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A.J.

01-20-2003, 02:45 PM

There are countries in the world that view us as arrogant, sure. But they certainly have no qualms about asking us for money or military assistance.

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FollowThisLogic

01-20-2003, 03:18 PM

No one is going to be happy unless somehow, the playing field evens out. That is, either all of America becomes as poor as they are, or they all become as well-off as we are. Hand-outs aren't enough for them, they want to be us.

It's not our fucking fault that we live in the country where the entire world wishes they could live.

But unless we find some alternative fuels, everything may even out by 2050 when the oil reserves run out...

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Yerdaddy

01-20-2003, 03:30 PM

yep

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Patches

01-20-2003, 03:38 PM

Do You Think America Acts Arrogantly?

No. And the rest of the world can suck our collective D.

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FiveB247

01-20-2003, 03:39 PM

That's such a ridiculous question...if anyone even says or thinks anything other than yes..you really are so blinded by your own self views and concepts to recognize what really is going on in the world. Everyone go drive their SUV's and ponder why we have issues in the Middle East. Or wonder why Vietnam hates us cause we ruined generations of their people and dropped chemicals all over their nations agriculture and lands. Gee, you think people dislike us? I'm shocked.

Abrasive Dean

01-20-2003, 03:43 PM

Do you think America acts arrogantly even today in most of its affairs?

No.

I sincerely believe it is perfectly acceptable to march into another country uninvited and without listening to the governments of other countries.

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Steels

01-20-2003, 03:49 PM

No, but I think Coco does.

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ChickenHawk

01-20-2003, 03:51 PM

Everyone go drive their
SUV's and ponder why we have
issues in the Middle East.
BAhahahAHAHaHHAAHHAha!!!
You're actually agreeing with that
filthy rich, hypocritical, crazy lady
who said SUV drivers support
terrorism! You're TOTALLY
alone on that one. Not even the
people who are as far left as you
can go think that concept is sane.

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hyperspace

01-20-2003, 03:54 PM

no i just think we are really better than anyone else!!

IrishAlkey

01-20-2003, 03:57 PM

I'm shocked to see Coco start such a topic.

Were you at your "arrogance anonymous" class when this discussion came up?

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canofsoup15

01-20-2003, 04:01 PM

dropped chemicals all over their nations agriculture and lands

When did we do that, besides the atom bomb, what chemicals. SUV's arent the main supporter or terrorism, nor is it any drugs except heroin. So go smoke weed in your suv with your 2o inch rims and feel good about yourself. Or at least til the ozone lasts, but why does that matter. jk.

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TheMojoPin

01-20-2003, 04:12 PM

In Boznia

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TheMojoPin

01-20-2003, 04:14 PM

No. And the rest of the world can suck our collective D.

Y'know, there are less complicated ways to say that you wanna rub dinks with me.

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Patches

01-20-2003, 04:23 PM

Y'know, there are less complicated ways to say that you wanna rub dinks with me.

Oh it's gonna be that kinda party?

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Yerdaddy

01-20-2003, 04:37 PM

You're TOTALLY
alone on that one.
not TOTALLY. I agree with that one.

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FollowThisLogic

01-20-2003, 04:39 PM

BAhahahAHAHaHHAAHHAha!!!
You're actually agreeing with that filthy rich, hypocritical, crazy lady who said SUV drivers support terrorism! You're TOTALLY alone on that one. Not even the people who are as far left as you can go think that concept is sane.
Osama bin Laden's father is rich from oil money.

SUV's guzzle gas.

That means SUV's use more oil than cars.

More oil purchased means more money to the people who sell it.

Where, exactly, is the insanity in that?

It's certainly not as crazy as saying marijuana supports terrorism.

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FiveB247

01-20-2003, 04:48 PM

Our ties to oil cause our interests astray ...SUV's and various other cars waste resources inefficiently. This isn't anything new in the news. I'm sure people on Long Island and Jersey really need the power of a SUV or Hummer to drive around...it's absurb and lavious at best.

As for Vietnam...Agent Orange along with various other chemicals was dropped all over Vietnam...they still have birth defect problems as well as lands that used to be used for agriculture ruined and destroyed. I don't even need to mention the countless number of land mines we placed in South East Asia and don't tell or comply to have them viably removed out of harms way. People still die from them in the hundreds each year. (and they were originally placed in the 60's and 70's)

If you are seriously going to argue the arrogance of the US or the lack their of...maybe you should be more aware of what is and has gone on the in world.

CaptClown

01-20-2003, 05:31 PM

Osama bin Laden's father is rich from oil money.

He also made tons of money in construction. Should we put a halt to construction knowing things need to be built?
SUV's guzzle gas.
Tractor trailers, trains, plains, buses consume more oil on an indiviual basis than the average SUV. Should we ban mass transit?

That means SUV's use more oil than cars.
See above

More oil purchased means more money to the people who sell it.
There is logic in that but the Arabs aren't the only ones with oil. Russia has oil, some countries in Africa have oil, and the Good ole US has oil too but we export ours.

Where, exactly, is the insanity in that?
There is none if you have a viable, Cost-effective, efficent alternative. You wouldn't hear much of the whining if you had an alternative power resource that could say, power a Titan truck as well as an oil product could, or power a race car as well gas can. If you really want to get everyone off the oil tit, prove there is something that can compete or beat oil then you will have something other than a bunch of people whining about oil and it's evils. Until you do people ae just going to keep on using what has proven to work.

It's certainly not as crazy as saying marijuana supports terrorism.
Not necessarily marijuana but stuff like coke. FARC prtoects the majority of the shipments and coca fields in Columbia. Let's not forget about heroin the majority of heroin comes right out of Afghanistan and has been for quite awhile.

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FiveB247

01-20-2003, 05:34 PM

ChickenHawk

01-20-2003, 05:36 PM

From what I've gathered as a
listener, it's pretty clear that Ron
is a Liberal, or at least a
Democrat. On that note, Ron &
Fez have done bits making fun of
both the drug/terrorism concept
as well as the SUV/terrorism link.
And you know why? Because
the people who start these
campaigns are insane hypocrites
who want to make innocent
Americans look like terrorists... and it
is quite laughable.
(btw, only about 20% of America's
oil comes from the Middle East.)
Just thought I'd mention that. To
call someone a supporter of
terrorism for owning an SUV or
smoking a blunt is utterly absurd.
End of story.

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East Side Dave

01-20-2003, 05:39 PM

Joe Millionare is down to earth, so I say, no, we're not arrogant.

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Sinixstar

01-20-2003, 05:59 PM

I think the american people don't act arrogantly... the american people act out of sheer ignorance. As much as i hate to say it - but the vast majority of the people in this country don't posses the mental capability to fully appreciate the complexities of world politics. The american leadership (or lackthereof) acts in it's own self interest, knowing that most of it's populous is too ignorant to know if what they're doing is right or wrong, just or in-just. Our policies are self-serving and tyranical, our leaders are arrogant, and our people are just stupid. We may be one of the more powerful countries militarily, but economicly and socially, we're definately not even in the top 10. We only get away with some of the shit we do because other people don't stand up and say something about it.

canofsoup15

01-20-2003, 06:04 PM

Do all you people simply march along to the drums of war? Keep driving up the price of gas as we have buildings crumbling on innocent people. And then plead ignorance to your unknowing self's (cause you don't bother to inquire of on-goings of our policies). The truth is you all have no clue of politics, the world and what our government dictates on the world (and you don't bother to know). And when someone questions you why things happen...it's always their fault...we are always in the right?! And you are ignorant and self-serving to assume so. America as a whole is ignorant and lacks social repercussions it places out. So don't try and plead innocence when the next 9-11 occurs and the next time you ponder why the world hates us.

So your saying we killed those innocent people ourselves? Your saying we made Saddam Hussein test his weapons on his own people? We started World War 2 and We are the reason Isreal and Palestein are fighting? The fact is, were not always right, hell most of the time id say were wrong, a fine example of this is a little thing called the Vietnam War, something we should of never been in. Im not trying to start an argument, im just trying to state what i know. I'm not big on politics or the goings on in the white house, so take my views with a grain of salt.

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Sinixstar

01-20-2003, 06:05 PM

Sinixstar

01-20-2003, 06:10 PM

So your saying we killed those innocent people ourselves? Your saying we made Saddam Hussein test his weapons on his own people? We started World War 2 and We are the reason Isreal and Palestein are fighting? The fact is, were not always right, hell most of the time id say were wrong, a fine example of this is a little thing called the Vietnam War, something we should of never been in. Im not trying to start an argument, im just trying to state what i know. I'm not big on politics or the goings on in the white house, so take my views with a grain of salt.

we didn't make saddam gas his own people, but we also didn't have to sell him some of those very weapons he used on his own people. We also don't need to be involved now.

canofsoup15

01-20-2003, 06:11 PM

We also don't need to be involved now.

Thats another thing i dont agree with, thanks for reminding me.

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IrishAlkey

01-20-2003, 06:18 PM

FINE!

I WON'T BUY ANY MORE FUCKING GAS!

HAPPY?

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Sinixstar

01-20-2003, 06:20 PM

Thats another thing i dont agree with, thanks for reminding me.

This so called "threat" saddam poses to the united states is a joke. Iraq doesn't have a pot to piss in. What the hell is he going to do to us? Save the tens of billions of dollars this war is going to cost, and put it to better use. There's no reason why we should go even further into defecit over this.

FiveB247

01-20-2003, 06:46 PM

We've armed the World via sales and then ask them to dis-arm. The fact remains, Iraq and Saddam do not have to capabilities to use a weapon of mass destruction on US soil. He does not have the weaponry or arsonal. The US and UN have stated such before. All of these warheads they "are finding now"...all were discovered before the invasion in 95' and they number at 50 (these are all in UN reports). Simply put...he is an agressor to the Middle East stability and to our resource of oil in the area. We throw out such reteric about his evil ways and threats towards us...but when in fact...the US doesn't care about the stability of Iraq or its people...we care about our interests. We support ruthless leaders just as bad as Saddam with similar weapons all over the world. It's all documented and goes un-remarked on. The US is arrogant and hypocritical...and the general population of this nation ignores such items.

Recyclerz

01-20-2003, 07:42 PM

Sometimes. As a society we're torn between the evangelical 'Rights of Man' idealism in our political rhetoric and the 'Why don't these foreigners leave us the fuck alone' isolationism that we feel most of the time. We've done plenty of things as a nation that we should apologize for but, overall, I think America has acted pretty well (for an imperial power) since we put on the title belt after WWI. I do think we as citizens owe it to ourselves (& everybody else) to pay more attention to the rest of the planet so that American foreign policy isn't completely controlled by multi-national corporations and neo-Metternich wannabees. PS Abrasive Dean - I like your posts but I'm not sure sarcasm about American interventionism is the seemliest prologue for a Union Jack sig pic. Pots, kettles, namecalling... you get the drift ;-) 

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CaptClown

01-20-2003, 07:52 PM

excuse my laziness for not quoting, but someone said to point out an alternative to oil? There's several. Hybrid electric/gas powered vehicles (which we're seeing now). Natural gas as a means for powering vehicles (there's already busses in NYC that run on natural gas, i see 'em in brooklyn regularly)
There's two alternatives that are MUCH cheaper to operate, help to end our addiction to foreign oil, AND save the environment.
The problem is getting the government and the auto makers to get thier hands out of the oil lobbists' pockets.

Take a wild guess at where that natural gas comes from, or where the chemicals to make the plastic comes from. Plastic is made from fractions of natural gas or crude oil changed chemically into a solid form. We get more uses out of oil than just gas. There are more uses other than gas than George Washington Carver came up with for the peanut. That is why I say you need to come up with an effective, efficent, cost effective for oil. If not then you are just blowing hot air because the majority of the uses for oil are not gas and the folks that want an alternative to gas are just blowing hot air and wasting everyones's time. Now my challange to the "hip" people who like to whine about oil and stuff is for them to come up with real alternatives if you want to everyone else to stop using oil. Trade our oil habit for something that will work and not set us back.

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TheMojoPin

01-20-2003, 08:08 PM

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CaptClown

01-20-2003, 08:20 PM

ROFLMBAO@Mojopin

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ChickenHawk

01-20-2003, 08:21 PM

MOJO - Your pics are usually in
some way related to the topic
at hand. But after a good 48
seconds of deep thought, I'm just
not getting it.

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Patches

01-20-2003, 08:30 PM

gas dude. It has to do with gas.

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Lucento

01-21-2003, 01:27 AM

America as a whole is ignorant and lacks social repercussions it places out. So don't try and plead innocence when the next 9-11 occurs and the next time you ponder why the world hates us.

It sucks being us, doesnt it?
Why dont you cry about it!

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East Side Dave

01-21-2003, 06:04 AM

My dog is arrogant. Let's kill him!

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Abrasive Dean

01-21-2003, 06:12 AM

I think the american people don't act arrogantly... the american people act out of sheer ignorance. As much as i hate to say it - but the vast majority of the people in this country don't posses the mental capability to fully appreciate the complexities of world politics.

I see where you are going with this argument and get the basic thrust of what you are saying.

I do not agree! It is not that they lack the mental capacity -simply that they lack sufficient information.

The media in the US provides one of the most "skewed" viewpoints I have seen. The American public are seldom provided with all of the facts - so how can they make an informed judgement?

Pre "Glasnost" Russian media was a little more biased than the US if that is any consolation.

From the wit, clarity of thought, and savage humour displayed on this board there are a number of people who clearly do have the mental capacity to understand.

(Yes Mojo even the fart gags!)

Granted they (we) might not be the vast majority. :)

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TheMojoPin

01-21-2003, 07:35 AM

gas dude. It has to do with gas.

And it's NATURAL, too...

Well, that, and I think sometimes we're too serious for own good. Myself included. So I went and got us what we all most deserve after a thread like this...

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LiquidCourage

01-21-2003, 07:58 AM

It annoys me that we always hear about countries who can't stand us (when they really have no right to), yet we never actually hear from people who have a good reason to hate us with a passion.

FollowThisLogic

01-21-2003, 10:15 AM

CaptClown, I think you took my post a tad too seriously. Not that you're incorrect, but christ man, I was trying to show the logic behind the SUV claim. It doesn't fucking matter that other things use more oil. It doesn't matter that other places produce oil (though none do as much as the Middle East). It doesn't matter that bin Laden made money elsewhere.

The retard who made this claim was thinking about SUV's vs cars, and nothing else, I bet. I would also bet that the person who said it is also not driving a Toyota Prius, Honda Insight, or any hybrid or alternative fuel car.

But still, nothing is going to change with oil. This country IS ignorant, it IS arrogant. Europe's gas is so expensive because they tax the fuck out of it. You'd never, EVER see that here. We wouldn't stand for it.... and that's arrogance. Things aren't going to change until they have to - and that's when there's no more oil to use. And at the rate we're going, that will most likely be within our lifetimes.... though probably near the end.

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Coco

01-21-2003, 11:05 AM

I just sometimes think that America makes the mistake of (as Gandhi quoted about the British government) "placing themselves as masters in another person's home".

I have already heard about our government already trying to set up the next governing rulership in Iraq.

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CaptClown

01-21-2003, 11:56 AM

Sorry my bad FTL.

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CaptClown

01-21-2003, 11:56 AM

Sorry my bad FTL.

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CaptClown

01-21-2003, 11:56 AM

Sorry my bad FTL.

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LiquidCourage

01-21-2003, 01:44 PM

Boo Hoo....move to Canada.

FiveB247

01-21-2003, 02:46 PM

You all squabble at the loss and tradgies bestowed on your own..like 9-11, Pearl Harbor, etc...but fail to recognize and dignify these events don't just happen cause "people hate us" or "people are jealous"...those are presumptious and ignorant excuses passed off. Our influence and control over the world economy and stability of nations effects others to hate us. And simply saying "boo hoo" or any opinion other than that of the US government policy is ignorant and incorrect...well it is the opposite of what this nation was founded upon...Democracy and the free flow of thought. Our nation is growing closer to a hidden communist/socialist state then most dignify. Each day they pass laws taking away rights, place restrictions and choices...you just chose to ignore them.

LiquidCourage

01-21-2003, 03:25 PM

these events don't just happen cause "people hate us"

No, they happen cause people love us.

The Jays

01-21-2003, 03:30 PM

Our influence and control over the world economy and stability of nations effects others to hate us.

When a oountry is extremely successful and very powerful, they end up with the ability to influence the world economy and stability of other nations. ARe you saying we should just give up all of our power and wealth so that we are all on the same playing field?

OR, we can do what we always do, and use our power to help out other countries. We buy products from other countries, we sell them products, we invest money in other countries. We have that ability. We may look like we act arrogantly, but we are doing what's in the best interest for ourselves and for other countries. If we shut ourselves out from everyone else and said we wouldn't bother with any other country, the rest of the world would probably go to war with us, because the world economy would freeze.

We beat the shit out of Germany and Japan, and what did we do? We rebuilt them, and now they are respectable world powers again.
We always clean up the world's messes. The world needs us. If you don't think other countries need us, look at North Korea. They are begging for attention from us because their country is in the total shitter, and they are so stubborn that instead of finding a new way of running their country, they threaten others with talk of nuclear weapons.

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FiveB247

01-21-2003, 04:11 PM

The world economy is now in stages that the US is benefiting from foreign debt of nations. The IMF, World Bank amongst a few other economic factors are dictating policy and determining the wealth, development, social statistics of nations. These are researched notions, not conspiracies or something unfounded. It isn't a matter of us giving up power...it is a matter of us not allowing others growth and development. That is the key. And issues of economics, democracy, the environment and stability of nations are all proof of this global trend. Globalization, privatization and corporatization all have the means, power, influence and money.

And as for people killing or attacking us, it is due to these factors and these influences we control over them, that is why they despise us.

The Jays

01-21-2003, 04:34 PM

.... Which countries aren't being allowed to grow?

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CaptClown

01-21-2003, 05:22 PM

Which countries aren't being allowed to grow?

Therein lies the whole problem, no one is actually not being allowed to grow. It is assumed that when the leaders of these countries(usually Third World countries) make bad deals that the US is blamed for the policies and corruption in their countries. Is it the US' fault that the economic aid we send through various sources is diverted to some leader and his friends' pockets instead of going to help out the people? If the US tries to say something about it we are interfering with the inner workings of a foriegn culture and are called imperialists. If the US doesn't, well then we are arrogant and ignorant. How many times can you call the US the Great Satan before we actually start believing it and start really making Faustian deals?

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CaptClown

01-21-2003, 05:22 PM

The Jays

01-21-2003, 05:53 PM

... thank you for the double post, because your reply needs to be HAMMERED into these anti-Americans heads... If people think America is so bad, if people hate what we do so much, then go move to the country that has want they want.

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Death Metal Moe

01-21-2003, 06:13 PM

America is totally the Popular Quarterback in High School with the hot girlfriend, and every other country are our lackeys.

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FUNKMAN

01-21-2003, 06:17 PM

it's such a broad statement, "America Acts Arrogant"

I sometimes feel that George Bush acts in a slightly arrogant/cocky manner and it reflects on the whole Country...

there was a time when I was watching some of our young news reporters acting in a "very arrogant" manner towards Yasser Arafat in an interview. I got very angry with the the reporter and thought about the life and experiences of Yasser Arafat.
I looked at it as some college kid coming out of school who was going to disrespect this man so he/she could get the shallow accolades of his employer for asking the "tough question" and to show he had the upper hand in the interview.

There was another interview on the same day with one of the Saudi Arabian Oil Shieks...

The Shiek was trying to talk in a civil manner and the young news reporter kept cutting him off and making accusations.

I believe both reporters were from CNN...

At times I have a BIG problem with the US Press...

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CaptClown

01-21-2003, 06:18 PM

So nice he had to say it thrice!

So it will be 3 times as nice.
Just be glad I did beg for a thousand pardons.

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FiveB247

01-21-2003, 08:09 PM

If you honestly believe in telling people ,"if you don;t like the policies move to another country"....you are truly ignorant and retarded.

This nation was based on free speech, free thought and democracy. If you say...leave if you don't believe what is done...then leave...you are seriously disregarding the Constitution. Maybe you should take off your little yellow ribbon and stop waiving your flag..and wake up to a notion called "ultra-nationalism"...the Nazi's knew well of it..as do you... spewing from your mouth....tool!

The Blowhard

01-21-2003, 08:18 PM

Please leave.

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FUNKMAN

01-21-2003, 08:23 PM

Please leave.

No, Thank You, and have a nice day!

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FiveB247

01-21-2003, 08:52 PM

Heckler and everyone in such varities...I love the US and what we should stand for and what we are based upon...that is why I argue and raise the awareness of what is going on.

ChickenHawk

01-21-2003, 08:58 PM

If you REALLY love America,
don't support Neo-Naziism.

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The Blowhard

01-21-2003, 08:59 PM

Most of you are clueless. Just remember: if it wasn't for America most of the world would be speaking German now.

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FiveB247

01-21-2003, 09:13 PM

And since we came out of WWII, we've rebuilt the modern world to benefit ourselves in economic, social and political standings.

Sir Okonkwo

01-21-2003, 09:41 PM

Just remember: if it wasn't for America most of the world would be speaking German now.
And we learned a lot from those Germans...

On the question raised earlier on alternative fuel sources, there's:

Solar power. Cheap, unlimited, clean. You won't see it happen, because nobody can own the sun.

Nuclear power. Won't happen, because it'd be a marketing nightmare.

Hemp. Some food for thought...

Hemp seeds have provided a combustible fuel oil throughout human history. More importantly, though, the same high cellulose level that makes hemp ideal for paper also makes it perfect for ethanol fuel production. Ethanol is the cleanest-burning liquid bio-alternative to gasoline. In one test, an unleaded gasoline automobile engine produced a thick, black carbon residue in its exhaust, while the tailpipe of a modified ethanol engine tested for the same 3,500 miles remained pristine and residue-free.

Ethanol is derived from plant cellulose. Plants absorb carbon dioxide, water, and sunlight and produce oxygen and cellulose, which contains the sun's energy captured in plant cells. When ethanol combusts, it releases energy, water vapor, and carbon dioxide. The carbon dioxide is then absorbed by plants, along with water and sunlight, to create more oxygen and cellulose. It is a clean and sustainable cycle.

Since gasoline engines are a primary source of carbon monoxide and greenhouse gases, alternative fuels such as ethanol could contribute significantly to the rejuvenation of our atmospheric air quality. Hemp provides a sustainable, renewable, and natural alternative to toxic fossil fuels.

The Jays

01-21-2003, 09:52 PM

This nation was based on free speech, free thought and democracy. If you say...leave if you don't believe what is done...then leave...you are seriously disregarding the Constitution. Maybe you should take off your little yellow ribbon and stop waiving your flag..and wake up to a notion called "ultra-nationalism"...the Nazi's knew well of it..as do you... spewing from your mouth....tool!

... most people in this country respect the Constitution.... you use it to wipe your ass and pass off this sentiment that America is this great evil... WE REBUILD OTHER COUNTRIES. WE DEFEND OTHER COUNTRIES. We are in NATO so that other countries could be defended against, and those other countries don't even stand up to help us when we are attacked. And we set it all up to benefit economically? After WWII, we lost most of our steel industry to Europe. We are in debt to other countries. We save the rest of the world's ass, and what do we get? We get our own citizens telling everyone that the US is an evil country...

... If you can't see how much we help the rest of the world, then you are the one who is ignorant. Oh, but what do I know, I'm just a fucking Nazi who doesn't think his country is a terrible terrorist police state....

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The Blowhard

01-21-2003, 10:02 PM

If you REALLY love America,
don't support Neo-Naziism.

Who's a Nazi? Well..maybe Gvac. He loves leather boots and whips and has a German Shepherd named "Fritz".

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Sir Okonkwo

01-21-2003, 10:31 PM

... most people in this country respect the Constitution.... you use it to wipe your ass and pass off this sentiment that America is this great evil...
The people - the American people - who "pass off this sentiment that America is this great evil" usually are the ones who best understand the Constitution.

WE REBUILD OTHER COUNTRIES.
Usually, we're the ones who put them in the position where they need to be rebuilt.

WE DEFEND OTHER COUNTRIES.
We don't really defend other countries as much as we defend our interests in other countries.

We are in NATO so that other countries could be defended against, and those other countries don't even stand up to help us when we are attacked.
After 9/11 there was plenty of help from other NATO nations. Feelings began to sour, though, when it became clear that our "counter-terrorism" wasn't much different from the terrorism we were countering.

As for the lack of support for a war against Iraq, they never attacked us.

And we set it all up to benefit economically? After WWII, we lost most of our steel industry to Europe. We are in debt to other countries. We save the rest of the world's ass, and what do we get? We get our own citizens telling everyone that the US is an evil country...
What's good for the goose should be good for the gander. If we're going to portray ourselves as these holy defenders of freedom and liberty for all, we shouldn't be doing the very things that we villainize others for doing. Japan, East Timor, Sudan, Turkey, Nicaragua, Haiti, Vietnam, Palestine...just the tip of the iceberg.

... If you can't see how much we help the rest of the world, then you are the one who is ignorant.
We don't help the rest of the world. We help ourselves, and in doing so, some others benefit, some don't.

Oh, but what do I know, I'm just a fucking Nazi
Nah. Uninformed, perhaps, but not a Nazi.

who doesn't think his country is a terrible terrorist police state....
Patriot Act.

Yerdaddy

01-21-2003, 10:56 PM

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TheMojoPin

01-21-2003, 10:58 PM

Most of you are clueless. Just remember: if it wasn't for America most of the world would be speaking German now.

Just the white parts with the goofy accents. And who needs them? They just piss and moan at everything we do now...

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TheMojoPin

01-21-2003, 11:04 PM

You people really need to wise up. Until America clamps down on the rampant werewolf attacks we unleash on unsuspecting foreign nations, they have every right in the world to be pissed at us.

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Dewey

01-21-2003, 11:04 PM

And since we came out of WWII, we've rebuilt the modern world to benefit ourselves in economic, social and political standings.

This notion is so insipid it staggers the imagination. Let's see, it was "to benefit ourselves" that we rebuilt Japan and Germany to the point where they could become economic powerhouses and formidable competitors, thus threatening some of our mainstay industries.

I'm not going to belabor this point. Let it suffice to say that NO nation in history has EVER treated its enemies more KINDLY following their defeat in war. We did not enslave them, rape and pillage them, turn them into colonies or make them a part of our "empire". We REBUILT them. The BEST thing a country can do for itself is to LOSE a war to US.

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01-21-2003, 11:20 PM

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Everyone, please, be calm...and shut up.

We're all sounding dumber than Sean Penn at this point.

Think you're right? Nope, you're wrong. Gonna say otherwise? I hope someone clubs you with a baby.

Think you're an "expert"? No, you're a douchemonkey. Got all the facts? Whoops, you forgot the BOOT UP YOUR ANUS THAT YOU ACTUALLY NEED.

These threads stopped being about "debate" a long time ago. Nobody flinches on their beliefs, and it's absurd to think they might. But go ahead, keep posting like YOUR idea is going to magically change everyone's brain into something more delicious. Even though it's not going to.

Sure, I'm saying I'll stop feeding the beast...but that's probably wrong, too. Bah. Feh. Meh. I need a hug. But not from YOU. Or THAT.

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LiquidCourage

01-22-2003, 02:08 PM

We don't really defend other countries as much as we defend our interests in other countries.

And what were our interests in Serbia?
Oh yeah, Clinton getting his ugly mug off of page 1.

TheMojoPin

01-22-2003, 02:20 PM

And what were our interests in Serbia?
Oh yeah, Clinton getting his ugly mug off of page 1.

The conflict in the former Yugoslavia really kick started under the first Bush (Not through any fault of his, he just happened to be the guy in charge at the time), and simply carried through Clinton, much like Vietnam with Eisenhower through Nixon.

The US involvement in the region was almost at its lowest when the Lewinsky affair broke out. By then it was primarily a UN "peacekeeping" mission. You might be thinking of the US airstrikes against supposed Al Queda targets in Afghanistan after the bombing of the American embassies in Africa or the airstrikes ordered almost at the same time against Iraq. But then again, realizing that would require thinking, and that would just hurt a little too much, wouldn't it?

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Arienette

01-22-2003, 02:36 PM

Do You Think America Acts Arrogantly?i'm not sure, but i'm really starting to believe that about half of this board is. i dont mean to say that america does not sometimes act arrogantly, but in some sense, i feel that we have good reason to. if you take a look around at our government (flawed though it is) as compared to those in place in other countries, as well as how the majority of us live as compared to those in other countries, maybe we have some right. it's very easy to sit at your computer, assume that you really know what you're talking about, and sound incredibly pompous. i should know, i do it all the time... it just seems like most of the people complaining that america is arrogant might be fairly well matched

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LiquidCourage

01-22-2003, 02:47 PM

I really question why he cared so much about bombing a tiny little country like that.

Over 2,000 innocent civilians were killed, and only 30% of the targets hit were military.

We blew up every bridge, factory, and a shit load of hospitals and houses there.

kc7586

01-22-2003, 02:50 PM

yes, not many of those overseas counties acctually ask for help, we just assume that they need it.

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SamoanWoman

01-22-2003, 02:53 PM

As a country, when another says that of us it is because we want them to do something our way or for us. Well, that is usually the result of money that we have either given said country or loans that we have forgiven. I feel that if America is paying for the band, they should play our song.

Culturally, we have entered what I consider to be our own Dark Age. If the culture we import is this homogenized pap consisting of Gap stores and McDonalds "cuisine" we have no right to be arrogant about it.

FiveB247

01-22-2003, 02:53 PM

I can tell you one thing from all of these posts..most of you just don't read any non-biased news, books or media. All you've manage to reply is that we built the world and help it thoroughly...that as well as if you disagree with US policy ..you are a Nazi.
Nothing but drivel, honestly.

Go read UN reports or NGO reports and see for yourself the misery, destruction and barriers our nation places all over the world. These aren't made up or fabricated notions. They are real trends, issues and concerns facing the world. But since we are in the US it is passed over and we are the Mightiest of Nations as many would like you to believe. Just read about it...It's all out there and it's all true.

Ps...NATO's bombing in Serbia caused more ethnic killings then if we had not bombed at all. UN reports told the US that bombing would cause more meyhem..but we ignored and more harm was done that was unnecessary.

Gvac

01-22-2003, 02:58 PM

Arrogant? Nope.

Do we know we're the best? Of course, and there's no shame in that.

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LiquidCourage

01-22-2003, 03:00 PM

I love hearing that we get under the Eurotrash's skin.

FiveB247

01-22-2003, 04:39 PM

Some of you people refer to poltics and nations like it's a sporting or wrestling event. Just plain stupid.

Bergalad

01-22-2003, 05:09 PM

Some of you people refer to poltics and nations like it's a sporting or wrestling event. Just plain stupid. I am not sure how that, or calling posters 'retarded' or 'Nazi' is helping your case about arrogance. It's not like you are unbiased in this discussion, right? I mean, you fanatically support Amnesty International, an organization which is fairly anti-America. Yes the U.S. acts arrogant at times, many great leaders have exhibited the same characteristics. Bash and bemoan this country, but enlighten the board with what nation is better? No country does more for the world community, not even close. Of course we have ulterior motives in many cases, and we should expect certain benefits in exchange for our support. What parent gives out an allowance to their kids without expecting them to follow their guidance? This is not a touchy-feely world; we have to assert ourselves or we will may find ourselves subservient to a nation (or group of nations) who do not believe in the freedoms we do. While you are researching the terrible 'evils' the U.S. does, how about mentioning some of the positive things too.

Bergalad

01-22-2003, 05:09 PM

FiveB247

01-22-2003, 07:08 PM

First off, I'm not fanatical. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. But if people base their opinions on items other than fact...that is ignorance (just in the same basis for racism).

Secondly, AI is far from anti-American...in fact they are very unbiased. Most human rights org's are the same..they call everything and everyone the same..human. As does the United Nations.

You may not agree with the things I have to say...but it is all backed my reasonable and unbiased resource and fact. Something most of the other opinions that have been mentioned cannot accompany.

LiquidCourage

01-22-2003, 07:19 PM

As does the United Nations.

Ha!
They're biased as hell.

FMJeff

01-22-2003, 07:39 PM

of course, we're an arrogant culture...its why we're so friggin successful.

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FiveB247

01-22-2003, 07:46 PM

Are you serious? The UN is exactly what it says it is...the United Nations..a forum for All nations. Unbiased through and through. The UN doesn't hold some countries to particular rules and others to different rules. It's a shame our nation can't say the same. The UN is the highest level of humanity; it's based upon helping everyone and having the same high level, quality of life for everyone. (as well as resolution of conflicts through peaceful, diplomatic resolution) And quite frankly, if you don't understand that basic foundation and principle..you really shouldn't be arguing something you have no idea about.

The Jays

01-22-2003, 09:40 PM

Unbiased through and through.

... Israel will be glad to here this new information....

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TheMojoPin

01-22-2003, 11:50 PM

Just remember...you DON'T have to fuck people over to survive.

America rules. I don't think there's anyone here (Well, maybe Dean) that would want to be born/live anywhere else. But there's always room for imporvement. Why "settle" for anything?

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ChickenHawk

01-23-2003, 10:07 AM

Are you serious? The UN is exactly what it says it is...the United Nations..a forum for All nations. Unbiased through and through. The UN doesn't hold some countries to particular rules and others to different rules. It's a shame our nation can't say the same. The UN is the highest level of humanity
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Knowledged_one

01-23-2003, 10:18 AM

I think america doesnt act arrogant i think we walk the fine line between confidence and arrogance because we are that much better and we prove it all the time.

And as far as the U.N. being made up of all the nations thats true but that doesnt mean that all those countries like the U.S.
And if they are so humane and out for the rights of the world explain the new lead country and its selection for that department

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Patches

01-23-2003, 10:28 AM

Us arrogant? We are talking about an entire region of the world filled with people who HATE us, and if they had the ability, would DESTROY us (which is an ability they are starting to have; re: 9-11-01).

Saddam Hussein has to be dealt with before it is too late. Should he be priority #1? Probably not. But, if you're against war with Iraq, please, offer a solution to ending nuclear build up in the region, which, left unchecked, will lead to the development of ICBMs. In the hands of not the most America-friendly people in the world.

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FiveB247

01-23-2003, 05:28 PM

Actually, the UN is the orginator of the particion plan for both an Israeli as well as a Palestinian state. So as for you saying Israel doesn't appreciate such actions...if you read and research the entire working of both Israel and Palestine, You'd understand they both have caused destruction to innocent people. Israel has just as many wrongs as Palestinian people do...they just aren't harped upon. Israel has just as many nuts unwanting of a Palestinian state as Palestinians want to psuh them Israel to the sea. It goes both ways...But regardles..people have the right to hate with much course. And the UN is unbiased through and through...maybe not too you...cause you are biased. But for all..they are.

LiquidCourage

01-23-2003, 05:36 PM

FiveB247, you must not have watched the news in a good 5 years or so.

LiquidCourage

01-23-2003, 05:36 PM

Oh yeah, not to mention the UN's completely useless.

The Jays

01-23-2003, 05:52 PM

... Palestinians are people without a homeland because they never had a homeland to begin with. There was no such people called Palestinians until Britain recoginized the right of return and let them settle the state of Israel in a small portion of British territory.

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LiquidCourage

01-23-2003, 05:55 PM

Exactly.
And the other Arab countries could let the "Palestinians" in, but then they wouldn't have little dirty camps to point to and bitch at Israel about.

Bergalad

01-23-2003, 06:24 PM

And the UN is unbiased through and through

That truly is garbage. Totally silly. The UN is a failed, impotent mechanism that only functions monetarily with U.S. assistance. They are the League of Nations once again, powerless and feckless when faced with a challenge. The UN is not one 'entity', it is a collection of independent countries who ultimately need to look out for themselves first. The UN is not really supportive of the US because the member nations don't want to see us continue our preeminence over them. Really, be reasonable. The UN is an outdated mess. Look at the Security Council! Why in god's name is France on it?! Russia? Not even a superpower anymore. Heck, Japan should be in it due to their economic power. France...how could the UN not be biased towards America?

FiveB247

01-23-2003, 07:13 PM

If you look in factual data and resources...not religious books, the UN set a partition plan which is the basis of the national borders which also happen to be the states of Israel as well as Palestine. It's all fact.

Secondly, Just cause our nation chooses to ignore International Laws, agreements and UN mandates, it doesn't take place of the fact the such agreements and laws exist. The US acts unilaterally in most cases instead of complying with the diplomatic way of multilaterally. Like I said previously, you are all basing your opinions and statements on news and such, biased through US press and hawkish views. Look anywhere else in the world, the EU, NGO's or the UN. All of you simply ignore such methods simply to justify yourself and our nation, which is all misleading and biased.

On a side note...it's just sad when someone has a different opinion in our country..they are automatically supposed to move to another country or submit to the majority opinion whether correct or not. This thread alone is just a small dissection of it.

LiquidCourage

01-23-2003, 07:38 PM

that only functions monetarily with U.S. assistance.

I'd say it's more than that.
Who gives the UN the most money? the US.
Who contributes 85% of the military? the US
Where's the UN located? the US

FiveB247

01-23-2003, 07:48 PM

So in other words, you find it ok for the US to do whatever it pleases, whether good, bad or indifferent..just as long as we're paying? That's absurd. You simply agree to buy-outs and payoffs? That's pathetic.

Bergalad

01-23-2003, 07:49 PM

Look anywhere else in the world, the EU, NGO's or the UN. 
Tony Blair is on record last year as stating the EU was formed in essence to become equal to the U.S. economically. He further espoused a EU military able to act independently of NATO. Why do you think they would need such a thing? Verdict: biased. NGO's like Amnesty International and Save the Children Foundation? Hardly fair and impartial. Verdict: biased. The UN. I say again: France! Verdict: biased. Oh, and I don't think anyone is attacking you because you have an alternate opinion than the majority. I think it's because your opinions aren't all that great. Just a thought.

TheMojoPin

01-23-2003, 07:50 PM

Alright, let me pose this to those that believe the UN has "failed"...should an attempt be made to create an organization along a similar premise if the current United Nations was ever disbanded?

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LiquidCourage

01-23-2003, 07:52 PM

I think that some sort of reform should be made in the paperwork or something of how the UN is supposed to function.

They should be held to do what they say they're going to.

LiquidCourage

01-23-2003, 07:52 PM

How can a collective body avoid things like what the African contingent did this last week by placing Libya

That's such a joke.
I'm reading "Veil: The Secret Wars of the CIA 1981 to 1987" right now. Libya had about 20 different plans for terrorist attacks on the US at any given time, and now they're the head of human rights.

Bergalad

01-23-2003, 08:00 PM

Well Mojo...don't you think it has failed? It is a nice idea, all the nations of the earth together in harmony, but it won't ever happen. All in all, there is a minority of countries in the world that are frankly superior to the rest of them. How can a collective body avoid things like what the African contingent did this last week by placing Libya (which is still under UN sanctions) as the chair of the Human Rights Commission? The US cannot take a back seat to the rest of the world due to the fact that most of the rest of the world is more messed up than we are. The only ready solution to make a new UN work would be to eliminate all militaries from all countries in the world and have the UN with the only standing military/nuclear weapons. Then the mandates the UN puts out could actually be enforced, but there is no way any nation would go along with that plan.

TheMojoPin

01-23-2003, 08:00 PM

You're definitely right in that some of the countries that are held up to "lead" the UN are woefully outdated when it comes to holding that kind of reputation...again, FRANCE?!?

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FiveB247

01-23-2003, 08:39 PM

I'm not doubting that nations ignore the UN due to lack of certain enforcement's...that's obvious. But talking of Blair? He's nothing more then a US lackey muttering rhetoric spurred out by the US. The EU holds its members to social, economic, and political realms that we should wish upon our own nation. You want to try and discredit NGO's? There's no such validity or fact to prove such lies. You seem to accompany terrorists (small in numbers) to larger holistic nations which is inappropriate. It's obvious they shouldn't have been placed as head of the Human rights area. I don't doubt the UN has problems...but it all spurs from its roots...the US. And simply put, just because something doesn't work properly, doesn't mean you give up or just go along with it...change comes in small successions of gain. And if you wish to live in a world of decent living...even in your little part of the world...you must recognize these items.

Bergalad

01-23-2003, 09:06 PM

But talking of Blair? He's nothing more then a US lackey muttering rhetoric spurred out by the US Oh yeah, of course! He wants to build a EU military because we told him to! I should have seen that! You want to try and discredit NGO's? There's no such validity or fact to prove such lies. What incomprehensible crap. You seem to accompany terrorists (small in numbers) to larger holistic nations I don't recall travelling with any terrorists recently, but I could be wrong. It's obvious they shouldn't have been placed as head of the Human rights area. I don't doubt the UN has problems...but it all spurs from its roots...the US.Yeah, we're to blame for that, right! We forced them to elect Libya. It's great to have an opinion, even as misguided as yours is. But what you are writing here, blindly defending all that which is not America, really means only one thing: you hate America. Simple. Find your nuts and have the courage to admit it, then we can all play nicey nice.

SamoanWoman

01-24-2003, 03:59 AM

Just throwing out a thought...
The UN paid to build a soccer stadium in Afghanistan after the Russians left as one part of their assistance plan to help lift the morale of the Afghanis. The Afghani government has used the stadium for public executions only. A soccer game has never been played there. When we see something that uncivilized and barbaric how can we help but feel that the UN is powerless (they have never even condemned this)and that these countries are one step above poking at anthills with a stick? How can we believe that they can be trusted to act responsibly with nuclear capability?

SamoanWoman

01-24-2003, 04:08 AM

But talking of Blair? He's nothing more then a US lackey muttering rhetoric spurred out by the US

Have you ever been to England?
I don't think so or you would know the high esteem that the average Englishman holds America and it's servicemen. I know, I've seen the shrines built and visited by the British to honor our solidiers. My sister has lived in England for over 10 years and said that on 9/11 British people were throwing themselves on the ground in grief almost as if it had happened to them. I believe that Tony Blair is speaking with the heart of the British people.

RF Godfather

01-24-2003, 04:49 AM

Pass the ivory backscratcher please... were you talkin' to me?

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West Side Claire

01-24-2003, 06:20 AM

Well you know what they say...Ignorance is bliss...

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LiquidCourage

01-24-2003, 08:47 AM

Tony Blair has become VERY unpopular in England.

FiveB247

01-24-2003, 12:41 PM

The EU economy is slowing gaining on the US..when comparing the value of the dollar. It is fact that the US has spent most of their NATO weapons moneys in their European members. These are all proven facts. The EU has minimual weapons moneys spent since its inception. That's not to say they don't have weapons, it's shows they spend their money on social problems. Tony Blair does nothing but spew out speaches from our nation. He's our international PR machine. It's almost funny. But regardless of any of this, not one of you have proven anything though fact...just hear-say.

LiquidCourage

01-24-2003, 02:32 PM

I didn't know I was supposed to prove anything.

TheMojoPin

01-24-2003, 05:31 PM

Actually, the "common Englishman" is probably more likely to be against the war these days...their anti-war movements are putting ours to shame by leaps and bounds...

And why dance around which "Afghani government" used the soccer stadium for executions? It was the Taliban, which forced itself into power violently, never held control of the entire nation, and represented a super-extreme religious sect of the society. While Afghani society has a long way to go in terms of oppression and free thought, the Taliban hardly represents the average Afghani. And when your day consists mostly of trying to eat something and not step on a landmine, it makes soccer seem even gayer and unecessary than it already is.

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LiquidCourage

01-24-2003, 10:18 PM

Hehe, soccer's gay enough already.

FiveB247

01-24-2003, 11:06 PM

It's not a matter of proving such items and ideas...it's a matter of basis in which they are placed. If they are not on facts..then it's simple unfounded.

LatinSpiceXoX

01-25-2003, 11:32 AM

Damn!!, this thread totally makes me regret passing notes in History class.
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01-25-2003, 12:49 PM

As a nation we elect politicnas to handle more home oriented issue, and the majority of people don't look at international politics or issue, unless it effects them. This leads to some arrogant behavior towards other countries.

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