Rock vs. Rap

[DC Reed]

So who's gonna win out? Will the rappers do it, backed by MTV and legions of teeny boppers? or will Rock last, and rise up again to take MTV back?

Post your thoughts here.

Personally im a big fan of Alt. Rock. Beck, Radiohead, Pixies, Nirvana, Foo's, Queens of the Stoneage and such.

But, Alt. Rock has been passed up for the new pop punk craze, which is just god awful. Plus MTV is going to show what the kids like, and alot of kids wanna see Travis from Blink 182 rather than Thom Yorke...

If your wondering why Rap is doing so well right now, its cause Rock is blowing. Remeber that summer garage rock thing? The vines, white stripes, strokes? I havent heard a thing from them in months now. And good luck to any band that wants to be different and try something new, MTV's just uniforming itself, if you dont play the music they are promoting, dont bother.
Thats why i watch VH1 and Much Music now.

Rap CAN be good. Its not god awful yet, but its close. I mean Eminem, sure he's making millions, but his albums are the same, and i cant stand to hear him say suck my dick on everyone. Outkast isnt bad at all, ill listen to him, specially Bombs over Baghdad, and Hip Hop group Jurassic 5 is always worth a listen. Although not every song needs to be about violence, and im not sure why they do, if its not violence its money, if its not money its hoes, and if its not either of those, your listening to will smith.

If rap was less of a fashion statemant than it is, i may give it more attention.
Same goes for this pop-punk crap.

Whatever, both genres are sucking it up real big now, thats why there's catastrophys like Avirl Lavinge.

Your free to rip me apart now.

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[Contra]

well i've been a hip hop fan for the longest. Now, however, i am more into underground hip hop. the content is more interesting and the rhyme schemes are just sick. people like Aesop Rock, Eyedea, Black opz, and Slug. mainstream hip hop the only people i really like are Busta Rhymes and the Flipmode Squad, Styles P, Nas.

the only "rock" i've been interested in as of late is Good Charllote, Foo Fighters, and Queens of the Stone Age.

in the end i think neither will win, but it will all fuse together like Linkin Park.

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[TheMojoPin]

What's your point? The biggest, most well-known bands in ANY genre are usually the worst, most useless of the bunch. There are thousands of hip-hop acts signed to decent-sized labels that are stunning that'll be lucky to go gold and have a video on at 3 AM on MTV2, if anything at all. Same goes for rock, country, et al.

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it will all fuse together like Linkin Park


Lynch me the day it does.

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fuse together like Linkin Park

yes. like garbage in a trash compactor. thats linkin park.

i like to keep them seperate, but equal. no, not really. rock's better.

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Just wanted to let you know Outkast is a duo, not one guy.

God bless Outkast.

They're the only rap / hip hop artist(s) that don't make me want to plunge icepicks into my eardrums.

As for rock....if Queens of the Stone Age are the future of rock, than rock really is dead.

But don't fret! Be like me!

I've recently become addicted to JPop!!! Utada Hikaru is my goddess.

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As for rock....if Queens of the Stone Age are the future of rock, than rock really is dead.

I love this band and have for years since the main core was in this tiny little AMAZING band called Kyuss! I am glad to be seeing them get the recognition and Songs For the Deaf is pure brilliance.

I kind of side with MojoPin on this as 9 times out of 10 the stuff that is plastered all over MTV and radio is there not because of talent but because the record labels pay these media putlets to play them and cram it down our collective throats. Some good bands break through now and then but most of it is tripe. I think all the good bands are the ones that attain the merit of fandom on their OWN without the need for MTV or radio. Word of mouth is the best way to get a band known. That is why many independent artist sell out constantly and therfore the "buzz" is brought on and then soon after there is media overkill and the band is dead. I got his belief that a band is only good for 4 or 5 records and some bands possibly a lot more than that in some rare cases. Like if the band has 7 inch releases between recordsa and is constantly writing, that is a great thing. How often do major artists put out EP's or 7"s between albums. Not many. Truly great bands split and then go on to something different or change their style altogether. I just hate to see bands get stale.

As far as Rock goes, the good rock lies in the underground and is not some awful rip off or hybrid of bands that broke 5 years ago. How many more "metal" band can come out that have the heavy riff/silent vocal/heavy riff/SCREAM/repeat ad nauseum.

Rap on the other hand is out of hand. I am so sick of what is played off as rap in the mainstream, I could vomit. Is it all about the money, ho's, cars and violence? What kind of message is this telling our youth? It's ok to be a gansta? What happened to the positive message? Call me ignorant but I just don't see it. Although I HATE Eminem, I adknowledge the fact that he does touch quite a bit of personal things but as Reed said:
but his albums are the same, and i cant stand to hear him say suck my dick on everyone

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will Rock last, and rise up again to take MTV back?

Not a decent form of it, MTV sells what's marketable and while we have more money, rock folks are less likely to buy 8 million different mixes of one album.

Remeber that summer garage rock thing?

I wish I could forget, to me each and every one of those bands sounded like absolute garbage. Maybe i'm biased but I thought this music blew. Hard.

I largely stopped listening to rap when Biggie died. I'll pick up a RZA or The Coup album but that's it. I'll stick to my metal and punk, thank you.

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[kc7586]

will Rock last, and rise up again to take MTV back?

most of the MTV rock is very commercialized and therfore is crap, but rock will win, and if it doesn't we can always set those rap kids on fire

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[Knowledged_one]

If you judge by MTV then you are only judging music by pop culture standards which is wrong. Like everyone said they only play what is popular and not what is good same goes for radio as for MTV, the genius/gza from wu tang put out an album recently that is great yet no songs are played on the radio instead you get justin timberlake.
And just like undergroud (read non-commercialized) rock is good same goes for non-commercialized rap like Talib Kweli, Goodie Mobb, Wu Tang clan, most of Redmans songs, keith murray, dilated peoples, jurassic 5 and the list goes on and they dont sing about girls/money/violence thats what has killed most rap and what almost ruined NAS's career because all his shit from 5 years ago was all about Kristal and Rolex's

In the end there will be no winner people like what they like thats all there is to say but rap/hip-hop is here to stay

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[stickyfingers]

Tupac

rap died the day that Tupac did, he was/is the only thing worth listening to unless you are just in it for mindless lyrics and beats then take your pick

somehow he has made 3 albums since then

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[Patches]

Bah. Who cares? They both suck now. I suggest everyone get the most enjoyment they can out of the Man in Black himself, Johnny Cash before he passes.

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[stickyfingers]

I suggest everyone get the most enjoyment they can out of the Man in Black himself, Johnny Cash


wow patches...i am impressed...johnny cash is awesome and i got really drunk at karaoke one night and did "ring of fire" i heard it was terrible

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[TheMojoPin]

Tupac

rap died the day that Tupac did, he was/is the only thing worth listening to unless you are just in it for mindless lyrics and beats then take your pick

Right.

You're doing a severe disservice to the genre if you think rap/hip-hop ends and begins with 2Pac. The guy had some great songs, but 75% of the time he was the epitome of the mindless gangsta/thug bullshit that drove mainstream rap into the ground.

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[Contra]

somehow he has made 3 albums since then


i hope you were joking. TuPac has pretty much come out with an album every year since he died.

You're doing a severe disservice to the genre if you think rap/hip-hop ends and begins with 2Pac. The guy had some great songs, but 75% of the time he was the epitome of the mindless gangsta/thug bullshit that drove mainstream rap into the ground.


i'm marking this day down as the only time mojo and i may ever argee on something.

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i'm marking this day down as the only time mojo and i may ever argee on something.

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Rock and roll will never die!

[irishkb]

Check out Common or the new Talib Kweli for a good example to hopefully
hip-hop music is headed.


dude, do you know how long common has been around. he is not new he just dropped part of his name.. he used to be called Common Sense... he is great but never really got the air time he deserved...

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[TheMojoPin]

He only did one album as "Common Sense". This is his fourth album as "Common".

You want brilliant hip-hop? Check The Streets and Roots Manuva and anything on the Def Jux label.

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brilliant hip-hop


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[stickyfingers]

sorry about the Tupac thing I guess i failed to mention that the day Tupac died was the that day that rap died for me...everyone else is entitled to thier opinion and i don't even really like rap that much so i guess i should not have taken such a stand

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[phixion]

hip hop makes the world go round.

i love hip-hop and i like rock too. but only sublime and floyd really. but billy and elton are kings. 2 of the 3 best musicians who ever lived!!!!

as far as hip hop goes i think lately it sucks too. the industry has too many ludacris's, fabulous's, and fifty's. and they arent real rappers. they shouldnt even be classified as hip hop. all crap rappers should be known as 'pop rappers.' and i think the industry needs to back 5 years and remember what hip hop was and what it can be.

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[bigbaldirish]

rock is not dead. it's in a damn coma, and rap is going the same way. and i tell you the next true big thing, is a rapper with a rock band. Not Linkin Park, Not Limp bizkit, those are rock bands with guys who can rap, not rappers. DMX with Zack Wylde type stuff.
The Roots are the closest to this right now, even though they are more on the blues/jazz music side, rather than the rock side.
yeah common is a good positive rapper, and maybe he'll change something a good rapper on MTV not shouting bling bling.
rock last innovative thing was that retro type rock, "the strokes".
the last innovative thing with rap was eminem, but he says it himself now, "you ain't even impressed no more, your used to it" hate the guy, like the guy whatever your opinion, listen to "the slim shady LP" and everything else that came out at the same time, and see what the truth is.


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[canofsoup15]

Unless those faggoty little 13 year old girls who control the mtv airwaves start liking metal, rock will never come back, well, good rock anyway. These new rock shits suck so bad its amazing, creed, nickleback,good charlotte, i cant stand um. Avril is incredibly bad, shes not punk AT ALL. Rap is on the verge of being good and sucking completely, i like outkast and jurassic 5, and even some missy eliiot, but the rest i can live without. What happened to the good days of snoop dogg and nirvana. And what happened when MTV actually played MUSIC. Now that this pop crap is slowly dieing out maybe they'll be room for something good, but i doubt it.

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[Mr Self Destruct]

Not Linkin Park, Not Limp bizkit, those are rock bands with guys who can rap, not rappers.


Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park have guys who can rap? News to me.

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Unless those faggoty little 13 year old girls who control the mtv airwaves start liking metal, rock will never come back, well, good rock anyway. These new rock shits suck so bad its amazing, creed, nickleback,good charlotte, i cant stand um. Avril is incredibly bad, shes not punk AT ALL. Rap is on the verge of being good and sucking completely, i like outkast and jurassic 5, and even some missy eliiot, but the rest i can live without. What happened to the good days of snoop dogg and nirvana. And what happened when MTV actually played MUSIC. Now that this pop crap is slowly dieing out maybe they'll be room for something good, but i doubt it.


You know whats worse? When they do show videos its the same rap song. Once I saw 50 cents Wanksta playing on MTV, mTV2 and BET at the same time! WTF!?

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[bigbaldirish]

can *attempt* to rap... better?

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[phixion]

listen to "the slim shady LP" and everything else that came out at the same time, and see what the truth is.


umm if youre trying to say that marshall mathers lp was the best album of 2000 ur awfully one sided. i can name the lox album 'we are the streets' as a better album than slims was. u can doubt me all u want. or u can say that the lox are just gangsta rap. but everything they talk about everything theyve gone through i have or i know ppl who have. i see the streets and they are definitely a part of it.

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[El Mudo]

Its mindblowingly amazing how mainstream music today just stinks!! nowhere is this more true than in country music, which used to be good. now you have all these stupid broads that make music for 40 year old women to listen to and fag guys all trying to be tim fing mcgraw...

thats why i was so estatic the other day when my Dwight Yoakam box set came in from Rhino. But its a damn shame i have to go that far out of my way to find decent music..


Avril is incredibly bad, shes not punk AT ALL


I wanna punch in the mouth whoever decided to label her "punk"...ugh..

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Please! The best melding of Rock & Rap is POD.

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not the marshall mathers LP, The Slim Shady LP

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[stickyfingers]

i tell you the next true big thing, is a rapper with a rock band


didn't puffy do a song with jimmy page...and if so was it good?

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[NewYorkDragons80]

Puffy did Kasimir with Jimmy Paige, but it was called "Come With Me". I thought it rocked.

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No I believe it was the Marshall Mathers LP. do you research

[DarkHippie]

Puffy did Kasimir with Jimmy Paige, but it was called "Come With Me". I thought it rocked.
it was ok, but i'm biased because I'm a big zep fan. Right now, I'm not a big fan of mainstream rock or rap. But it doesn't mean that music is shit. The best music out there is in the niches, even if its stuff you wouldn't normally listen to, give it a shot.

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[bigbaldirish]

No I believe it was the Marshall Mathers LP. do you research

ACTUALLY it was the Slim Shady LP that was first, then The Marshall Mathers LP, Then the Eminem Show...

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[metalsatan]

Rap is long dead. This shit with the Nelly and Snoop Dogg and Missy Elliot aint rap, nyone can go out and talk to the beat.

Rock however will live as long as you got enough of people like me willing to go out, bang heads, get stoned and/or wasted, and make devil horns.

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[Knowledged_one]

yeah because you will never find any blacks to go and listen to some guy freestyle while drunk, high or wasted, while they nod there head.
And if your impression of rap extends to nelly and missy elliott you are way behind the curve

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i like kurtis blow & whodini.
i also like heavy metal. stryper!!!!
try listening to some southeast Go Go. E.U. trouble funk, chuck brown, junkyard band, i also like harcore rap like the fat boys..
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