Is it ok for me to hate Arabs? [Archive]

rmw

02-10-2003, 02:23 PM

Yes its ok to hate those smelly ass, vale wearing fucks. I cant stand the sight of most of them, they always stare me down and shit. Well fuck'em.

You are an ignorant, impish fool.

It is not alright to hate Arabs. Our problem as a nation does not revovle around Arabs. It is with Muslim extremists. And the difference bewteen the two is huge.

Not all Arabs are Muslims. And not all Muslims are Arab. For instance: Many Arabs are Christian. Take a moment and explore the religous identity of Syria. Many of Arabs that reside in Syria are actually a branch of Christianity that is a cousin of the Catholic faith.

In fact, the largest portion of Muslims do not live in what are considered Arab countries. Asia is actually home to the greatest number of Muslims for its given population. Again, explore the religious indentiy of Malaysia or Singapore and you will be suprised to learn that both are countires Muslim majorities. Do you think, for example that Turkey is an Arab country? If you do, you would be wrong. They are Turks. Period. Not Arabs.

Please explore the issue for yourself. You will be pleasantly surprised.

Kaiser-Soze

02-10-2003, 02:43 PM

Is it ok for me to hate Arabs?
I think Chef from South Park can clear this up he was refering to Chinese people but it will work in this context also.
"Its O.K. to hate Arabs who live in the Middle East but it's not O.K. to hate Arabs that live in America."

That should help you out.

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02-10-2003, 02:55 PM

Is it ok for me to hate Arabs?

Well, it all comes down to personal opinion. That's what makes this country so great. We can all voice our opinions. I hate ALL Arabs, with a deep passion. Remember, that's my own opinion.

mercury29

02-10-2003, 07:08 PM

Is it ok for me to hate Arabs? I personally don't know you, but I would like to know if you consider yourself to be racist. Either that or a follower. I feel that one should love or hate whomever one decides to. It's up to you to decide the criteria. Were you personally wronged by Arabs or, considering what's been happening for the last year and a half, do you feel that you're supposed to hate Arabs? Or do you just want to be able to talk badly about a particular group without being reprimanded by the overtly p.c. country we live in. I would suggest to you not to hate anyone or anything if you're not even sure. The opposite of love isn't hate, it's apathy. So if you don't know for sure whether or not you hate someone, don't try to convince yourself you do because at the end of the day what good is it gonna do you?

Papa Noel

02-10-2003, 07:10 PM

I hear the word TOWEL HEAD alot is that an arab racial slur?

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lippy

02-10-2003, 07:10 PM

Sure it's ok. They hate you. Hating them back only make sense. That way, the hate will go on forever and ever....

Death Metal Moe

02-11-2003, 04:51 AM

One side of my family is from Syria.

Let me tell you. I'm not overly fond of many of them.

Overall, they're rude, distant people who usually Smell like the weird spices they use to cook.

And the second ONE of them even LOOKS suspicious the FBI is gonna be carting them away let me tell you.

I don't go in for ANY shit against the USA.

Man, I don't like EITHER side of my family. What a miserable prick.

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02-11-2003, 06:35 AM

do you think its ok for them to hate us?

If so, then hate away. If not, then hating them makes you a hypocrite.

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TheKnicks23

02-11-2003, 08:23 AM

Absolutey not, its very foolish on your part to hate a certain race just based on individuals.

What do you want the U.S. to have the f'n master race. Lets just kick everyone out of the country thats not white, because you know the United States is superior and if we don't kick out the Arabs then we're supporting terrorism.

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Heavy

02-11-2003, 08:34 AM

Lets just kick everyone out of the country thats not white,

No, just the Arabs. We know they come here with the intent of doing bad things. Thats the only reason they live. Thier entire life is lived to kill and cause pain, misery and to terrorize. We know they live here. It's not the black guy driving the truck or the spanish guy painting the house across the street. Its the Arab guy that fixed your car and his buddies that you hired to pave your driveway. Should I not be pissed when I see 3 Arabs in a moving truck driving down my block....when we know they tronsport explosives and who knows what else in them...

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02-11-2003, 08:37 AM

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Heavy

02-11-2003, 09:18 AM

ok and what exactly do you get from this thread to make you think not having a life has anything to do with not liking arabs?

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TheMojoPin

02-11-2003, 09:54 AM

ok and what exactly do you get from this thread to make you think not having a life has anything to do with not liking arabs?

Because you're obviously basing your perception of several hundred million people on The Iron Sheik. Obviously.

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Heavy

02-11-2003, 09:56 AM

No, just the actions of thousands of people cheering in the streets, flying planes into buildings, making and selling (and trying to use) bad things like bombs and chemical weapons and that whole "sleeper cell" thing we hear so much about. Thats what I base it on.

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02-11-2003, 10:02 AM

its ok for you to hate whoever you want. don't ask for other people's permission. this is a free country. just keep it to yourself so you don't get beat up.

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TheKnicks23

02-11-2003, 10:09 AM

You make me sick. You're beating up on people that you probably don't know. I'm sure that you don't have any Arab friends. There are Arabs that live in the U.S. and hate whats going on and its disgusting that you could hate people that live and work the same jobs as everyone else. You don't have a life if you have time to pick a part a race of people like this.

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DJEvelEd

02-11-2003, 10:09 AM

Not all Arabs are Muslims. And not all Muslims are Arab.

Not all Arabs are terrorists but most terrorists are Arabs. That being said, I still agree with DarkHippie. The cycle of hate has to end somewhere. I also believe in Karma because some people just keep asking for trouble. If you're going to kill someone, you have to expect to be killed also.

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02-11-2003, 10:34 AM

You make me sick. You're beating up on people that you probably don't know.

okay i don't want to do this to all of them at all, but there's no way to tell who they are because they can be our goddamn neighbors so therefore, it is my opinion that they should all be considered a threat because i can gaurantee you the neighbors and friends of those shmucks that were flying or on the planes would've said i know some perfectly fine arabs that had nothing to do with it (had it been other arab/terrorist al-qaida whatever shmucks on the planes) so fuck all this PC, beat around the bush, non stand taking, don't stereotype bullshit...that's the way it works..there are countries where americans live and they are looked down upon because of things that other people(americans) have done...its the way things go...there ya go...if you are arabic they screwed it up for you, not us. Put the blame in the right place and be ashamed of your own people not us.....I say "NONE ON US"

And I will be dancing in the Street like those barbarians if/when something occurs...this is not something i would've thought about doing until i watched in utter dismay as some town thought it was the best thing that ever happened..eat pork and die...fuck it save the pork for us...just die..i hope you trip over a plutonium rock as you do the camel humper jig in your town's square

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Heavy

02-11-2003, 10:54 AM

don't ask for other people's permission

Well I'm not asking permission. I'm trying to figure since most of us watched and lived through a terrible event that was carried out by arabs, if it's alright to hate those people now.

You make me sick. You're beating up on people that you probably don't know. I'm sure that you don't have any Arab friends. There are Arabs that live in the U.S. and hate whats going on and its disgusting that you could hate people that live and work the same jobs as everyone else.

It's disgusting that I hate people that work with me? No, whats disgusting is the people that work the same jobs as I do and then fly planes into buildings. Of course they are not all terrorists. But all the terrorists are arabs. I got a great idea. Lets waste time and check people that look like Fez Whatley at airports, but skip some arabs because its considered profiling. I wish the instructers at the flight schools were racist towards arabs, maybe this all wouldnt have happened. But they had no real reason to hate Arabs at that time. Now we have plenty of reasons to be cautious, but apparently we're to GD PC to admit they are the ones that should be watched. It's the same bullshit that allowed this to happen the first time.

Not all Arabs are terrorists but most terrorists are Arabs.

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02-11-2003, 11:13 AM

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02-11-2003, 11:40 AM

Not all Arabs are terrorists but most terrorists are Arabs.

So are some African, Indonesian and Filipino Muslims. Everyone seems to be concerned with the Arab threat. Remember the Bali bombing and the execution of Western hostages in the Phillipines?

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02-11-2003, 01:00 PM

So are some African, Indonesian and Filipino Muslims.
And how many African, Indonesian and Filipino Muslims helped and/or hijacked those planes?

Remember the Bali bombing and the execution of Western hostages in the Phillipines
I could care less who blew up what somewhere else. I live in this country. This is the country I'm talking about.

Everyone seems to be concerned with the Arab threat.

Geez I wonder why, those concerns are totally unfounded huh?

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02-11-2003, 01:22 PM

its ok for you to hate whoever you want. don't ask for other people's permission. this is a free country. just keep it to yourself so you don't get beat up.

took the words right out of my mouth. if you choose to hate someone then that's fine. you're not forced to like anyone you don't want to. just try not to make it something that becomes physical.

TheMojoPin

02-11-2003, 01:24 PM

And how many African, Indonesian and Filipino Muslims helped and/or hijacked those planes?

Ah, so only THAT terrorism "counts"...

C'mon, get specific. 15 of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudi Arabian...why not at least just hate all Saudia Arabians instead of all Arabs?

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HordeKing1

02-11-2003, 01:26 PM

Is it ok for me to hate Arabs?

Whether or not you hate them, they hate you and want you dead. Either accept it and dig your grave, or do whatever it takes to eliminate the threat - including hate.

For those foolish enough to believe that not all Arabs are evil, see today's (2/11) Newsday.

American Arabs, who identify themselves as Americans, and are not wacky Islamic fundementalists, are not true Arabs. If they have no quarrel with us, we have none with them. Both of them.

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TheMojoPin

02-11-2003, 01:28 PM

And I will be dancing in the Street like those barbarians if/when something occurs...this is not something i would've thought about doing until i watched in utter dismay as some town thought it was the best thing that ever happened..

Sooooooo...sinking to their level makes it "OK"?

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The Jays

02-11-2003, 01:45 PM

C'mon, get specific. 15 of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudi Arabian...why not at least just hate all Saudia Arabians instead of all Arabs?

...nah, I don't feel like being selective.... I hate em all... fucking asshole backwards ass angry as fuck religious freaks.....

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HordeKing1

02-11-2003, 01:51 PM

While all religions are detrimental to society and evil in their execution only Islam is evil in it's conception as well. The concept of religious Jihad is figured very prominently into not only the koran but into the texts of Mohamads diciples, whom he somehow managed to convince that his delusions and hallucinations of conversing with the angel Miriami, were real. Dopes.

Even Christiantiy, which has shed more blood in the name of god than any other religion, does not expressly condone killing infidels as a means of getting into heaven. (That was just the execution, not the concept).

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Heavy

02-11-2003, 02:17 PM

they hate you and want you dead.

Well atleast theres 3 or 4 of us that are thinking clearly.

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02-11-2003, 02:27 PM

The rest can wonder why they (and half the country) have ebola when all they wanted was to be friends with the poor misunderstood terrorists.

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TeRRoR

02-11-2003, 02:36 PM

it's perfectly fine for you to hate ay-rabs...

we all have to hate someone!

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02-11-2003, 02:36 PM

And how many African, Indonesian and Filipino Muslims helped and/or hijacked those planes?

None probably -- but they may have had a hand in blowing up our embassies in Africa.

I could care less who blew up what somewhere else. I live in this country. This is the country I'm talking about.

And that's most important of course -- but no less important than the bastards who killed Americans in Bali, Africa and aboard USS Cole. I get a little concerned everytime I see a State Department travel advisory or message traffic warning about potential threats to U.S. bases and installations here and around the world.

Geez I wonder why, those concerns are totally unfounded huh?

No, I wasn't implying they were unfounded. My point was that Americans are now unsafe all over the world so we'd better start being concerned with fundamentalist Muslims in ALL countries, not just those who come from the Middle East. al Qaeda isn't exclusive to that region.

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02-11-2003, 02:47 PM

American Arabs, who identify themselves as Americans, and are not wacky Islamic fundementalists, are not true Arabs.

HordeKing: You are the most ignorant human being alive.

The Jays

02-11-2003, 03:14 PM

... let's not let internal bickering get in the way and let us refocus on the topic at hand, which is to hate and destroy all sand niggers.....

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Heavy

02-11-2003, 03:33 PM

the bastards who killed Americans in Bali, Africa and aboard USS Cole

Hey I'm all for killing them too.

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TheMojoPin

02-11-2003, 08:52 PM

The REAL crime here is my utterly hilarious Iron Sheik joke was taken seriously and not appreciated for it's true comedic awesomeness.

At this point, I don't care anymore. You people can hate all you want...but your impotent rage won't accomplish anything becuase the majority of the people in the world and the people running things AREN'T insanely shortsighted, so your petty and absurd little ideas of "vengeance" and "protection" to the nth degree will never come true, so vent all you want. If I believed for a second you could actually DO something about it, then maybe I might start to be concerned.

On a side note, I was reading Malcolm X's biography the other day, and was struck by the fact that he was essentially turned AWAY from his previous rheotoric of violent race war and race seperation BY the mostly peaceful and inclusive nature and messages of Islam when he made his pilgrimage to Mecca. So here's a violent man who came the closest to finding peace in his own life and tried to share it with others almost entirely because of the teachings and lifestyles exposed to him through Islam. Islam has some deep, deep flaws, but to dismiss it as a "religion of hate and violence" in one deft statement is lazy and wrong. Hell, there are parts of the Bible that have been interpreted to meaning that beating of one's multiple wives is allowed, slavery is just fine and dandy, and death for simply stealing something like a loaf of bread is fully acceptable.

It's all in the INTERPRETATION. Damning an entire race and religion because of how some jackasses perceive a book of myths is like assuming the jackasses that say the Bible condemns blacks and homosexuals represent all Christians.

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02-11-2003, 09:56 PM

American Arabs, who identify themselves as Americans, and are not wacky Islamic fundementalists, are not true Arabs. If they have no quarrel with us, we have none with them. Both of them.

Sorry HK, but you are forgeting about the thousands of Orthodox Christians who are of Arab descent. I grew up with many friends who belonged to a Syrian Orthodox Church. They are Christians and they are sickened over what the radical Muslim Arabs are doing.
BTW the biggest Muslim population in the world is in Indonesia.

HordeKing1

02-11-2003, 10:22 PM

I wrote:

American Arabs, who identify themselves as Americans, and are not wacky Islamic fundementalists, are not true Arabs. If they have no quarrel with us, we have none with them. Both of them.

To which Heckler replied:

Sorry HK, but you are forgeting about the thousands of Orthodox Christians who are of Arab descent. I grew up with many friends who belonged to a Syrian Orthodox Church. They are Christians and they are sickened over what the radical Muslim Arabs are doing. BTW the biggest Muslim population in the world is in Indonesia.

No, that is PRECISELY my point. It is only appropriate to hate the ones who seek to destroy us. Moslem Arabs who identify themselves as Arabs, who come to America and still consider themselves Arab, and still hate the great Satan and want to destroy it. It's foolhardy not to hate those who hate you. Or you could simply roll over and die without getting emotional at all.

The Arabs who have not been innoculated with hatred are not those we refer to when we discuss Arabs. The Christian Arabs sickened by what their Moslem counterparts are doing are not in the equation. There is no cause to hate them, as they seek us no harm.

However, the Middle Eastern Arabs, of which this thread is discussing, are all enemies of civilization (i.e. every person who is not moslem) and will be at war with their "brothers" as soon as they're finished with us. One only need pick up a newspaper to read how the Islamic Arab clergy is inciting their congregants to anti-american, anti-jewish, anti-christian zealotry. Every one of those people (and I use the term very loosely) is directly responsible for every terrorist act. I'd kill them all gladly.

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02-12-2003, 03:57 AM

It is only appropriate to hate the ones who seek to destroy us.
I think we are pretty much in agreement that we are decidedly *against* those who hate us and want to destroy us, whether they be Arab, black, Chinese, or your white neighbor. The real issue is: Is it fair to hate all Arabs (Or the ones who haven't passed our personal "tests") because of that? I do not think so, but some may disagree.

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02-12-2003, 06:00 AM

Well, it's been "OK" to hate white people for years now, so I don't see why not...

...There's plenty of hate to spread around...

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02-12-2003, 07:04 AM

One only need pick up a newspaper to read how the Islamic Arab clergy is inciting their congregants to anti-american, anti-jewish, anti-christian zealotry. Every one of those people (and I use the term very loosely) is directly responsible for every terrorist act. I'd kill them all gladly.

Various groups and segments of the American population complain nonstop that that the majority of American news outlets do not represent them, their opinions, or the news they wish to read or see. Hell, Fox News supposedly exists SOLELY because of this sentiment. Yet this couldn't be possible in countries with totalitarian governemnts that control practically every aspect of the information received by the populace? You're choosing to blame the people this lifestyle is inflicted upon as opposed to the source of the problem.

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02-12-2003, 07:12 AM

Just Close the Borders. Deny Visas and Green Cards to all foriegners from the middle east. Most of all line up the Army on the Canadian border. Most of the Terrorists in this country come in to the U.S. Through Canada.

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02-12-2003, 07:18 AM

Generic hatred towards an entire race based on the actions of a small percentage of that race is evidence of a small mind. The problem doesn't reside in genetics, but human culture and economics. We don't live in a utopia and never will, but continuing the cycle of hatred does nothing to further the welfare of the human race as a whole. If you only care about "Americans" (a term which is hard to define), that's fine.. but I don't think you're looking at the big picture.

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stickyfingers

02-12-2003, 07:22 AM

Sooooooo...sinking to their level makes it "OK"?

figures of speech can be so missinterpreted i guess

dancing in the streets=happy that it happened...anything else?

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TheMojoPin

02-12-2003, 09:53 AM

dancing in the streets=happy that it happened...anything else?

But it wasn't that simple, at least the way I read it...the post seemed to be saying that "I'd be dancing in the streets when people start dying en masse because they did the same thing."

That's just the way I took it. You can't possibly expect to still be on "the side of right" or the "good guys" if you just sink to their level and pull the same stupid shit they do. That just replaces one jackass with another jackass. But maybe it's just me...

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02-12-2003, 10:07 AM

don't pick one group to hate, hate every group equally... including your own race. pick and chose individually who you want to be friends. then you have the best of both worlds.

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02-12-2003, 10:44 AM

I'm gonna take a guess and say most of the people saying its not ok are not from NY. For whatever its worth...

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02-12-2003, 10:46 AM

I'm gonna take a guess and say most of the people saying its not ok are not from NY. For whatever its worth...

Soooo, DC did not experience an attack?

stickyfingers

02-12-2003, 10:57 AM

But it wasn't that simple, at least the way I read it

That's understandable...I will be more clear in the future. What I was saying is that i never thought i or anyone else would be happy to see mass destruction happen to any group of people, but after seeing the peasants rejoice as they did (thier dancing), i won't feel nearly as bad about it if/when it happens to them (my dancing)

I didn't think it would be taken so literally, my dancing is not all that good anyway...two left feet and all

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02-12-2003, 11:20 AM

when irish or italian people start coming over to the country trying to kill us, (like arabs hijacking planes and flying them into buildings) wouldn't it be perfectly ok to hate or fear them? maybe not let them into the country....maybe have them subject to searches, etc. I don't understand why we have to be "politically correct" to people that may or may not be citizens and who are willing to sacrifice themselves to hurt thousands of americans.. and destroy the freedoms our country was based on.

Also, anyone notice that the arab groups in america don't speak out against Osama Bin Laben? saddam? terriorist groups? they remind us they are are americans first and foremost and they constantly remind us of that....but why wouldn't they get on CNN or in the newspaper and blast Osama and Saddam for perverting religion for the sake of death and murder? they are quick to tell everyone they don't deserve prejudice...how about telling people why ??

i'm a twenty something white irish guy from NY who pays his taxes. why am i considered the worst enemy of arab people? what have i done to earn the right to be subject to a terriorist threat? NY is the captial of the world but i mean come on....we have to be subject to a terriorist threat from 25 million arabs in the world?

unfortunately arabs, even those who love this country are going to be subject to prejudice. sorry...but until another threat comes along...i'm sorry to say so...but the bad guy looks like you.

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02-12-2003, 01:49 PM

when irish or italian people start coming over to the country trying to kill us,

What about the mafia and the rest of "organized crime"? That was a huge problem for most of the 20th century, mostly because of Italian Americans...think of the death, misery and suffering they caused over the last century. I'd say they killed or were responsible for FAR more than the deaths of 3,000 Americans over all that time. Is it really more "acceptable" or "different" if it happens all at once or over time?

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Heavy

02-12-2003, 01:57 PM

...think of the death, misery and suffering they caused over the last century.

Yea but they shower daily.

...Is it really more "acceptable" or "different" if it happens all at once or over time?

Listen, they spent a lot of time killing eachother. And I seriously doubt they killed anybody with the intention of just killing as many Americans as possible. ALSO, if you just stayed out of thier way you were safe for the most part. AAAAAAAND they historicaly have been very generous to the common person in thier communities. And They did'nt clean a lot of thier money a lot of times so they tipped great.

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TheMojoPin

02-12-2003, 09:30 PM

Listen, they spent a lot of time killing eachother. And I seriously doubt they killed anybody with the intention of just killing as many Americans as possible. ALSO, if you just stayed out of thier way you were safe for the most part. AAAAAAAND they historicaly have been very generous to the common person in thier communities. And They did'nt clean a lot of thier money a lot of times so they tipped great.

If this is a joke, it's utterly hilarious.

If it's not, you're dancing around the issue. Dead is dead is dead is dead. There aren't different degrees of being dead. You're dead or your not. And the mob killed a lot of people. Caused a lot of suffering as well. Drugs, murder, kidnapping, politcal corruption and bribery, prostitution...misery for anyone anywhere anytime. And you can say that the terrorists are "generous" and protective with their own, so that analogy is a little ridiculous. And the mobsters may not have always explicitly wanted as many people as dead as possible, but there sure as shit didn't care how many people ended up dying or having their lives destroyed. Crime always existed in America, as did the idea of "gangs", but these people, these Italians, brought their notion of the "Cosa Nostra" over and turned crime into a monstrous machine that burrowed its way under America's skin and infected the entire country. Obviously, this is the fault of a minority of Italians, but hey, to be safe, we should have taken care of ALL of them...

If the terrorists had their version of "Goodfellas" or "The Sopranos", would their violence and hatefulness and destructive nature suddenly be as cute and cuddly as the mob's? Because that's about the only difference I can really see as to how we should and could perceive these dealers of death differently. A murdering scumbag is a murdering scumbag, no matter how well he tips.

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Heavy

02-12-2003, 10:06 PM

Drugs

Mob stayed away from drugs until a certain rule breaking Gambino lost control. Thats common knowledge though.

murder,

I'll tell you someone they definatly kill murder, and thats druggies and people that sold drugs :)

kidnapping,

They usually kidnapped other mob guys. a few politicians here and there maybe. Name me one person they kidnapped...I just wanna see if you can or not.

politcal corruption and bribery,

Well yea...

prostitution

Seriously.....is this even wrong?

.misery for anyone anywhere anytime.

This is where you are totally wrong...The vast majority of people living in mob controlled areas LOVE them. They protect these people, they teach thier kids to help an old lady darry her groceries home. They teach manners and yes, to tip good. But seriously, "anywhere" and "anytime" is totally out of line and I hope you get raped orally by a large Arab man.

And you can say that the terrorists are "generous" and protective with their own,

if you say so, Mr Mahr.

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02-12-2003, 10:34 PM

Look, you're buying into selective history with the mob. Of course some people "loved" them...plenty of people "love" the terrorists. We call them "idiots". The mobsters helped these relatively small groups of people in their neighborhoods or their families at the expense of the misery, financial ruin, and sometimes deaths of a far greater number of people. The mob didn't just limit their wrongdoings to lesser criminals or other mobsters...how could they have thrived for almost a century doing that? They preyed on the weak and unsuspecting...extortion, racketeering, "protection", theft...these acts acts preyed primarily on everyday people that just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. And the drugs, yes, most of the mob bosses put off dealing the stuff for decades...but they ended up doing it for the last 40 years anyways, and basically better than anyone else, too...and like I said, the mob worked like an infection. Each crime and act of corruption led to another crime and another and another, pulling in people that shouldn't have had anything to do with it to begin with, but just happened to get cross in the literal or proverbial crossfire.

The mob is and was evil. No amount of local charity can make up for willingly profiting solely off the suffering, misery and death of others. The current structure of the "mafia" was instituted by Italian immigrants who willfully sought to abuse and twist the system any way they could just to make a buck at the expense of other people and the country itself. Hell, most of these un-American bastards didn't even pay their federal taxes.

I'm simply pointing out that this structure of pure evil could have been stopped if we had, say, banned Italians from coming to America, or threw them all out. But that's obviously absurd...isn't it?

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02-12-2003, 10:37 PM

Hate anybody you want. This is america. How you feel about any ethnic group is your own purogative(Bobby Brown). Boycott a gas station if it makes you feel better. No one here should be policing your thoughts. Remember what minority report taught us? Animal farm? Sound familiar? nazi. Stop your hate.

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02-12-2003, 11:08 PM

This is america. How you feel about any ethnic group is your own purogative(Bobby Brown).

Y'know, he disappears from the board, but then shows up in the nick of time with a truly deserving outlet for our hate. DOWN WITH BOBBY BROWN WITH EVERY LITTLE STEP I TAKE.

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Heavy

02-13-2003, 07:37 AM

Look, you're buying into selective history with the mob. Of course some people "loved" them...plenty of people "love" the terrorists. We call them "idiots". The mobsters helped these relatively small groups of people in their neighborhoods or their families at the expense of the misery, financial ruin, and sometimes deaths of a far greater number of people. The mob didn't just limit their wrongdoings to lesser criminals or other mobsters...how could they have thrived for almost a century doing that? They preyed on the weak and unsuspecting...extortion, racketeering, "protection", theft...these acts acts preyed primarily on everyday people that just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. And the drugs, yes, most of the mob bosses put off dealing the stuff for decades...but they ended up doing it for the last 40 years anyways, and basically better than anyone else, too...and like I said, the mob worked like an infection. Each crime and act of corruption led to another crime and another and another, pulling in people that shouldn't have had anything to do with it to begin with, but just happened to get cross in the literal or proverbial crossfire.

The mob is and was evil. No amount of local charity can make up for willingly profiting solely off the suffering, misery and death of others. The current structure of the "mafia" was instituted by Italian immigrants who willfully sought to abuse and twist the system any way they could just to make a buck at the expense of other people and the country itself. Hell, most of these un-American bastards didn't even pay their federal taxes.

Mojo, I'm sorry but I missed the part where you gave the name of someone the Mafia has kidnapped.

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02-13-2003, 07:47 AM

Damn you wadd, you WITNESSED my search being plagued by video game promos and crappy fanboy descriptions of "Suicide Kings" ("Kidnapping" plus "mob" or "mafia" equals Mohr and the kid from "ET" tying up Walken, LOL1!!1!!1111)...DAMN YOU...

But, uh, yeah, stop being crazy. A&E and The History Channel have taught me that kidnapping heirs, bankers, judges, etc. in the 20's and the 30's was the reason du jour for mobsters to make a quick buck or to put the fear of Italians into someone...like we NEEDED another reason to be terrified of those greasy, thuggish, subhuman hairballs. And if you're saying that THE HISTORY CHANNEL is lying, well, you can just take the nearest exit and sit your commie ass down in Canada, dammit.

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02-13-2003, 12:57 PM

("Kidnapping" plus "mob" or "mafia" equals Mohr and the kid from "ET" tying up Walken,
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02-13-2003, 12:59 PM

You forgot Elton from Clueless and the Boyfriend from Roseanne.

Oh, but I tried so very, VERY hard to do so...

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02-13-2003, 07:00 PM

There are 2 kinds of Muslims. The first Muslim is the one who practices it's beliefs and faith very seriously. The 2nd Muslim is the extremist Muslim, the one we all hate. These are the ones training in Bin Laden's al Qaeda cells all over the world: not just in Afghanistan. There are also al Qaeda cells in Africa, Indonesia, Russia, Germany, Canada and even on our own soil. They aren't all of Arab decsent either. So when you want to hate a class of people, be specific. That's like saying I hate Southerners when all I really hate are the KKK.

Gosh darn it EffMe, why do you have to come in here being all intelligent and rational and take the fun out of the boys' ignorant pissing match? Fez was right - girls ruin everything
(even if they are pretty and smart instead of ugly and stupid). ;-)

i'm a twenty something white irish guy from NY who pays his taxes.

My friend, you sound suspiciously like... Timothy McVeigh! Stone him!!!

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Heavy

02-13-2003, 10:37 PM

And if you're saying that THE HISTORY CHANNEL is lying,

I would never say that......Just give me the name of ONE special they did on this....since you cant come up with ONE name they kidnapped.

On a side note the Mob got along with arabs just fine, even if they hated them. Remember that whole stolen car export to Kuwait thing?

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02-14-2003, 10:00 AM

http://www.ganglandnews.com/column299.htm

There's one.

Need more?

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Heavy

02-14-2003, 06:23 PM

"The Complete Idiot's Guide to The Mafia,"

I suggest you but this book so you can learn what you're talking about.

Nowhere on that page does it name one person thats ever been kidnapped. It doesnt even state as fact that anybody has ever been kidnapped by the mob.

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02-14-2003, 08:02 PM

This is directly from the article:

Last week, Richard Cantarella, (left) his wife Lauretta Castelli, and their son Paul were rousted from their million dollar homes and arrested on a slew of racketeering charges including murder, arson, kidnapping, loansharking, extortion, gambling and money laundering.

In 1994, according to court papers, Paul Cantarella and several crew members, using walkie-talkies and two cars, kidnapped a wealthy businessman at his office, drove him home, forced him to deactivate the burglar alarm system, and cleaned out his safes of cash, jewelry and other valuables.

In addition to cleaning him out, the plan called for the terrified businessman, who knew of the elder Cantarella's mob clout, to "reach out to Richard Cantarella for protection," prosecutors Ruth Nordenbrook and Greg Andres said in court papers.

Voila. You sure you actually read it? "Skimming" only works when cleaning the pool...

I even managed to find an example just from last year instead of digging for one from Lord-knows-how long ago...

Here's what I'll give you...the mafia is LESS evil than Al Queda and their ilk. But I'd also say Stalin was less evil than Hitler. Evil is still evil. And I can't believe it sounds like someone is trying to say that the MAFIA is "not that bad"...WHA-?!?

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02-14-2003, 08:51 PM

Ok, it's sounds like to me that "kidnapping" was nothing more then giving the guy a ride home then robbing him. If thats kidnapping, then so is the person that robs a store at gunpoint.

the mafia is LESS evil than Al Queda

Well its about time you realized this. The fact you even need to make that statement is disturbing at best.

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02-14-2003, 09:00 PM

Ok, it's sounds like to me that "kidnapping" was nothing more then giving the guy a ride home then robbing him. If thats kidnapping, then so is the person that robs a store at gunpoint.

It's kidnapping if you can be charged with kidnapping because of it!

And my point was never that the mafia was as bad or worse than Al Queda!!! My point was and still is that the mafia is an example of a small segment of a race of people (Italians) that provide a negative stereotype for that race that is unfair, just like how terrorists make all other Arabs look bad or worse. People have implied that getting rid of all Arabs would get rid of Arab terrorists, and to show how ridiculous that the idea of forced mass deportation is, I said we should have gotten rid of all Italians to be sure we had gotten rid of the mafia! Neither would clear the country of ALL terrorists or ALL criminals, so not only would both be racist and over-reactionary, but they wouldn't even accomplish what they were supposedly going to "rid" us of in the first place!

And the whole time, you've been going off on some bizarre "the guys in the mafia really aren't that bad!" tangent that is just crazy in ANY context. Again, crime is crime, scum is scum and evil is evil. If all you can throw out is stuff like "well, they tip big!" or "I don't think they ever kidnapped anyone," what is that supposed to prove? They're still evil criminal bastards...

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02-15-2003, 09:19 AM

This is driving me insane.

All I can find are hundreds of essays and articles that say the mob was constantly involved with an engaging in "kidnapping", and have even found several articles that mention specific kidnapping events, but don't release the victims' names. So if you want to take that as that you've "won", go ahead. I feel my point still stands. One of these days I'll pour over the books I have on organized crime in America and start pulling out specific examples I remember reading.

But in the meantime, I stand by the fact that my comparison between Italians and the mafia and Arabs and terrorists is sound. In fact, I can easily shift my argument to the idea that we should get rid of all Russians because for one, they could have all been commies for the last 60 years, and second, they could all be in the Russian mafia now, which is FAR more vicious and deadly these days than the rather impotent and dying Italian mafia. I found articles up the whazoo listing innocent people they've kidnapped for ransom and then just killed, and trust me, they go into details. You wants names? Photos? You got it, just ask.

I still don't understand what you were trying to accomplish by essentially "defending" the mafia, but whatever floats your boat, my friend. Even if you subtracted kidnapping, they're all guilty of thousands of unforgiveable crimes that have caused the injury, suffering and death of at least thousands of innocent people, civilians and bystanders. Like I said, they may be "less evil" than some people in this world, but evil is still evil. These are NOT good people. They're scum and they're a blight on Italians and on America as a whole.

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02-15-2003, 10:28 AM

I'm gonna take a guess and say most of the people saying its not ok are not from NY. For whatever its worth...

I'm from NY and I think it is pure ignorence to hate any group or race of people. The only people that should be hated are the ones that discriminate against others with no basis.

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Heavy

02-15-2003, 07:33 PM

I stand by the fact that my comparison between Italians and the mafia and Arabs and terrorists is sound.

ok....Mafias actions taken because of money and power, which leads to more money and the ability to make more money. And they did things for money too.
I'm not defending the all the actions of the mob, I'm just saying for every 5 lives they destroyed or ended, they made maybe 2-3 kind ol ladies smile by puting a wheelchair ramp to her house after she broke her hip and didnt have the money to do it herself...I'm sure you get my point.

Terrorists would shoot that old lady in the head unless they though it would lessen thier chance of killing more people in the future. They are not motivated by money. They are motivated by the hopes of killing thousands of us so they will be with Alah.

Do you see the difference?

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02-15-2003, 08:10 PM

Asinine, right?

No, I DON'T see the difference, at least in terms of what I'm arguing. I'm not arguing who is "worse" or who is "more evil", for the upteenth time. I'm making a comparison of whether it's wrong or right to make a larger group of people pay for the actions of a minority within that group of people.

And if you think I was "making up" the idea of the mob kidnappings, I'm calling you out on this "helping kindly old lady" nonsense. I've NEVER heard of these kinds of charitable acts on any kind of SIGNIFICANT scale (That means, yes, I've heard of it, but nowhere near comparing to the amount of illegal, loathsome, and flat out evil shit they pull) outside of what shows up in ridicuously romanticized movie/tv show/crime novel...a little here, a little there, sure, fine, I've heard of this plenty of times, but if you think paying for the renovation of a church or a school or paying for some old lady's pills even BEGINS to make up for the shit these ANIMALS force upon society on a daily basis, well, then your priorities are way out of whack.

And I already told you, Bin Laden and his ilk (Rich Saudi Arabian terrorists and sympathizers) constantly provide money and support for causes THEY think are "noble". Building a hospital so it can be shown and "proved" how America and Israel "brutalizes" the area. Donations and projects for groups that provide support for Palestinians displaced by Israeli settlement. Why do they do this? Who knows? Maybe it's to spit in the face of American/Israeli "imperialism"...maybe because they think it somehow balances out the attrocities they commit or wish to commit...the point is that it DOESN'T make up for the horror they wish to inflict...and the same goes for the mob.

Let me break it down into the most BASIC essence of what I'm trying to say:

Despite any acts of "good" they may have done, you HAVE to agree with me that the mob has inflicted FAR more harm than good on this country. The don't "inject" or "stimulate" cashflow because the majority of their money is laundered, "under the table", stolen, etc...like I said, most don't pay any taxes, and if they do, it's a fraction of what they should be doing. So ultimately, the only surefire way there would have been to get rid of the mafia once and for all (Not get rid of ALL crime...I'm using this ONE organization as an example), would have been to throw ALL Italians out of the country, and never allow any to return. I'm assuming that most normal people would see how absurd this is, and thusly understand why I'm comparing it to the idea of throwing out and banning ALL Arabs from this country because of the despicable actions of a relative few (terrorists).

THAT is the only point I really want to make. I honestly don't give a shit about the "good" things the mob does, or terrorists, because their "good" and charitable acts don't even begin to compare to the wicked shit they pull down. I'm not trying to analyze the specific evils of either organization...MOB=BAD. TERRORISTS=BAD. That's it. It's not an issue of who's less or more tolerable, it's an issue of should we have gotten rid of and banned all Italians from this country to rid ourselves of the Italian mafia? Or Russians to get rid of the Russian mafia, or to be sure we were rid of communists while the USSR existed? Or Chinese/Japanese/South Americans to get rid of THEIR mafias? THAT'S my point..."bad" organizations that are here to pretty much rob/poison(Drugs, bioterrorism, take your pick)/kill us just so they can achieve their own selfish goals (Be it killing one's enemies or making as much illegal money, while probably killing a shitload of people at the same time, as possible) at the expense of the larger population.

YES, if I HAD to pick, the Italian mafia is not as "bad" as the terrorists...but again, that's not the point. Should we sacrifice the way of life and the freedom of the many (Italians, Arabs) because of the crimes of the relative few (Terrorists, Italian mafia)? That's IT.

At this point, I'm basically ready to give up.

HordeKing1

02-15-2003, 09:54 PM

The idea of even suggesting a comparrison between Arab/Muslim terrorists and Italian Mafiasos is ludicrous to me.

Without getting into the whole political/moral/ethcial arguements, or even the crux of what you've been discussing regarding the Mafia, here's the simple truth.

Italians denounce the Mafia. They protest shows like the Sopranos b/c it unfairly paints all Italians as crooks. The average Italian, even those who benefited directly from the Mafia's presense in their neighborhood (plenty of those) still see the Mafia as evil and a force that should be stopped. There are plenty of Italian cops and federal officers who work on organized crime task forces dealing with the various criminal groups, of which the Mafia is just the most well known, not the largest or fiercest or scariest.

In contrast, American Arabs and Moslems do not denounce the actions of their brethren who they completely identify and support. While they should have been sermonizing the evils of terrorism they were strangely silent or actively involved in fundraising campaign to support the jihad.

Italians are people, a small percentage of which is involved in organized crime.

All Arabs and Moslems are terrorrists and support terrorism and cannot be compared to any other group on the planet.

Regarding Effme's comment:

There are 2 kinds of Muslims. The first Muslim is the one who practices it's beliefs and faith very seriously. The 2nd Muslim is the extremist Muslim, the one we all hate. These are the ones training in Bin Laden's al Qaeda cells all over the world: not just in Afghanistan. There are also al Qaeda cells in Africa, Indonesia, Russia, Germany, Canada and even on our own soil. They aren't all of Arab decsent either. So when you want to hate a class of people, be specific. That's like saying I hate Southerners when all I really hate are the KKK.

1. The Muslim faith by it's very tenets preaches hatred, jihad and slaughter of the infidels (i.e. all who aren't Moslem). The "progressive" Muslims which to afford select groups opportunity to convert and exist in servitude instead of killing them outright. You CANNOT be a devout Moslem and tollerate others. I've expressed before, all religions are evil in their execution, Islam is evil in concept.

2. If the entire South were composed of KKK members it would be entirely appropriate and an ethical obligation to hate them and to ensure they lack the power to carry out their hateful objectives. And if the only way to do that is by killing them before they kill us, so be it. What many haven't learned yet is that it takes one side to hate, one side to kill. They've made it abundently clear that they hate us and want to kill us. I vote that we "go not gently into the night" but fight for our lives.

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Heavy

02-15-2003, 10:25 PM

I'm comparing it to the idea of throwing out and banning ALL Arabs from this country because of the despicable actions of a relative few

Well the question is "is it ok for me to hate all arabs?"

What I tried to do was argue the FACT that the mafia is not as bad as terrorists. I know they have kidnapped people, but I just wanted to see if you actually knew about it or if you were just naming crimes off the top of your head. Just because you living down in your part off the country doesnt know first hand that these people do good things for thier communities doesnt mean it doesnt happen. It happens all the time.

And Mojo to answer that last paragraph of yours....find one place in this thread where ive said I hate arabs, dont waste your time because I havnt said it. Many have jumped in and said I was stupid for feeling this way and I never brought up the fact that I was just asking if it was ok to feel that way, but I never actually said that I did feel that way. And yes I argued in defense for people that do hate them....but still I never said that i hate them.

Someone owes me an apology

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HordeKing1

02-15-2003, 10:58 PM

I'm proud to have the intelligence to recognize evil and say that I hate Arabs. All Arabs.

Relative few! Hah!

EDIT: I hate them b/c of their actions, not because they're Arabs. All of their actions. The willing participation in terrorism, the funding of terrorism, the indoctrination of their children into terrorism and hatred, the preaching by their religious leaders of Jihad, their twisted view of a Muslim only world.

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ADF

02-15-2003, 11:23 PM

I'm proud to have the intelligence to recognize evil and say that I hate Arabs. All Arabs.

You scare me.

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02-15-2003, 11:39 PM

Someone owes me an apology

You're right, I lost sight of what you were asking/stating in the original post. My apologies.

HordeKing, if you're so insistent on seeing things in a black & white, inflexible point of view, here's me doing the same thing...you're wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

The fact that Muslim groups and spokespeople on average have not loudly denounced terrorism or jihad in the name of the Islamic faith IS irresponsible and indicative of many larger problems. It is NOT "proof" that "all Muslims are or support terrorists". Spokespeople do not speak for the individual. The individual voice that cannot be heard by YOU is still a voice, and how dare you have the audacity to assume that it does not exists simply because you cannot or will not easily hear it.

And again, as before, I'm standing by my analogy of comparing terrorists with the Italian mafia. Again, as I stated to johnee, this is NOT an argument as to who is "worse". It is an example of a tiny segment of a particular population that works with the express interest of causing harm to this country and its people. It is also an example of "us" against "them" as that the Italian mafia is just that: the ITALIAN mafia and is readily identified by the ethnicity of those that participate in it, like the Arab terrorists we are discussing. While not nearly as bloodthirsty as the current crop of Muslim extremists, the Italian mafia IS rather notorious for having caused their share of death and suffering at the expense of the American people over the last 150 years. A similar comparison between the two is that both groups originate from overseas nations and are at their most powerful in foreign lands. While the Italian mafia is significantly weaker here these days, it is rampant and firmly entrenched throughout Italy. Therefore, the only "surefire" way to rid ourselves of the Italian mafia would be to kill ALL Italians here in America, around the world, and basically level Italy, similar to what you're suggesting with the Arabs.

Why ISN'T this a viable option? Because this is an enemy we "know" or can "tolerate"? You want to see things in black and white? Crime is crime and murder is murder. If you're going to damn an entire people because of their non-action against the violent minority, I say do the same to Italians. So they "speak out" against the mafia...so what? What have they DONE? The continued existence and thriving of this organization indicates that some level of tolerance and cooperation exists. I feel they haven't done enough to rid America, Italy and the world of this organization that causes countless cases of death and suffering each year, so I feel they're just as guilty as the criminals themselves. Why do I feel this way? BECUASE THEY'RE THERE AND THEY LOOK THE SAME AND SOUND THE SAME. Deny it all you want, but those are essentially the flimsy reasons you're using to condemn an entire race of people. You're speaking like you are 100% convinced that every single Arab around the world condones and accepts and supports terrorism. You're presenting YOUR assumptions as "fact."

You bring up Italian government workers and police officers working against the mafia as "proof" that the Italians do not accept this segment of their population. Why are you so easily forgetting all of the Arabs and Muslims that work in and for the FBI, CIA and other branches of our government? Or the millitary? Are you just pretending they don't exist? I can tell you they do, because I've seen them with my own eyes during my time working for the CIA. My father mentions the INTERNATIONAL fight against terrorism, that includes Arab and Muslim agents and recruits. Why don't these people count as "proof" that some Arab DO reject the teachings and propoganda of Arab terrorists?

You ARE right that Muslim fundamentalism is the most dangerous enemy we have today. But say we were to get rid of that, what would become the next biggest "threat" to our nation and way of life? Pretty quickly you'd get to the global

Heavy

02-16-2003, 12:08 AM

My apologies.

Well I never said I didnt hate them either. And yes, I do hate them.

Listen, this is what it's all about to me. I hate the fact that we are too PC to do what we need to do. Every arab in this country needs to be investigated...yes, just because they are arab. We will undoubtedly filter out a shitload of illegals even if we dont find any terrorists...which we would.

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02-16-2003, 06:35 AM

I don't think it's ok to hate Arabs -- hatred will not solve
the problem of figuring out how to coexist with them.

Given their religious teachings and recent violent
history it's okay to be suspicious of Arabs. My
experiences with Arabs and in the Middle East have
been diverse. Many people I met in Morocco were very
kind and invited me into their homes for tea, but I've
also been chased around Casablanca and held up at
knifepoint in Tetuan.

The Middle Eastern community on Atlantic Avenue is
ostensibly a quiet place and contributes to the
community, but often in Subway trains Arab people
stare, point at me, and talk about me in Arabic because
I have strong Jewish features. The young Muslim
populations at NYU and Columbia have organized
hateful groups that misrepresent the problems in the
Middle East to many students; at NYU they have
disseminated information from the KKK. In response to
what's happened here and in Israel, when I see a
Muslim man or woman on a bus I depart at the first
opportunity and walk the rest of my way because these
days he or she could be carrying a bomb.

It's tough to "eyeball" someone with good intentions
and someone whose values have been coopted by
radical Islam and poorly educated communities. But the
bottom line is, as I frequently heard in Morocco, that
"all Arabs are friends." That means even a honest Arab
may support a terrorist even though he realizes his
actions are wrong and it makes a vague line even
moreso.

The problems our society faces in dealing with the
Middle East are extremely serious, but I'm certain that
hatred on our part will only exacerbate these problems.
But so will turning our cheek -- like the extreme left
wing protestors would advocate. We need to stand a
strong, united, and determined middle ground under
our national leadership (whether we like it or not) and
in accordance with both our founding fathers' values
and our rights to safety and security.

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TheMojoPin

02-16-2003, 10:08 AM

I'm all for investigations and surveillance (In the hands of the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc., not the police)...it's a necessity in this time of war, and yes, ARAB terrorists are who are most likely to strike on American soil. I just draw the line at the ridiculous notion of mass deportation or killing (NOT in the context of war).

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Yerdaddy

02-16-2003, 10:12 AM

In contrast, American Arabs and Moslems do not denounce the actions of their brethren who they completely identify and support. While they should have been sermonizing the evils of terrorism they were strangely silent or actively involved in fundraising campaign to support the jihad
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(Washington, DC) The Islamic Institute condemns in the strongest possible way the cowardly and senseless acts of terrorism that occurred in New York City and Washington, D.C., this morning. Our hearts, thoughts, and prayers go out to the families who have lost loved ones on this terrible day.

As Americans and Muslims, we deplore senseless violence in any form, and we fully support all efforts to track down the individuals responsible for these atrocities and bring them to justice. America's national security and the safety of all its citizens are of the ultimate importance. We fully support the President and all law enforcement agencies in their efforts to protect our country from tragic and vicious terrorist acts.
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Shaykh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani, ISCA chairman stated, "We join the US Congress in declaring today a day of mourning and also call on the entire faith community of America to spend the day in prayer for the victims and their families who so tragically died. All of our centers across the world will observe three minutes of silence tonight at our sunset prayer. We stand with the administration and law enforcement agencies in support of discovering the persons responsible and bringing them to justice. We encourage whoever is able to donate generously both blood and money to local chapters of the Red Cross."

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Heavy

02-17-2003, 01:43 PM

I think Yerdaddy made his point....

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HordeKing1

02-17-2003, 03:00 PM

Yes YERDADDY made his point.

He has lots of Islamic Hate sites in his favorite folder and cannot separate fantasy from reality.

Virtually every paper commented on the lack of positive American Islamic response to the terrorist murder of 3000 people. When the Moslems and Arabs started getting beaten up, all of a sudden, a few PC papers, (but mostly bullshit, lying Islamic sources) were filled with expressions of sorrow. Dancing in the street and expressing sorrow simultaneously. Hmmm.

But revisionist history has always been big among the Arab/Muslim lovers.

When we go to war, YERDADDY, will you prefer to call yourself a traitor or merely a collaborator?

It's attitudes like yours that make me wonder if we as a species have no more than 20 years ahead of us.

You're part of the same contingent that would decry the US getting involved in WWII b/c the "good German civillians" (hah!) might get hurt. Hell you'd probably express sympathy with the plight of the poor Japanese who were "victims" of the A-Bomb. The fact that it conservatively saved well over 100,000 American lives are inconsequential to you, as obviously we come last.

And for your edification, here's a link on how to read sites on the internet. Skeptisism is called for when the source is untrustworthy and acts in ways counter to their actual actions.

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02-17-2003, 03:16 PM

HordeKing, you want to talk fantasy? You accuse yerdaddy of only getting his links from "biased, pro-Palestine" sources, yet COMPLETELY ignore the fact that the first 17 links he proveds are from THE AMERICAN STATE DEPARTMENT'S OFFICIAL SITE. For a person who usually speaks from such a logical standpoint, your responses are beginning to smack of desperation and diversionary tactics. Yerdaddy can offer leigitmate sources whereas you can only offer your own assumptions, biases and broad, sweeping generalizations based on what you've seen SOME Arabs do on TV, which some how magically speaks for ALL Arabs everywhere in the world. And you also ignored the point I made about the Arabs that work for our law enforcement departments, our governemtn agencies, our millitary and our intelligence communities. Did you ignore the article yerdaddy posted about the Arab firefighters and rescue workers killed on 9/11? Or do you honestly believe these are all "sleeper agents" who will instantly slit the throat of the nearest American at the drop of a hat?

It's one thing to hate these people...but now you're going out of your way to lie, slander and demonize an entire race of people you cannot possibly begin to understand, even if you made a halfhearted attempt to. Your black & white and cut and dry attempts to classify peoples and races as "good" or "evil" has crossed well over into the realm of the nonsensical, baseless and the blatantly illogical.

Yerdaddy has done nothing, NOTHING to slander any group of people, nor has he indicated anything that he supports "hate groups" as you so falsely claim. You bizarrely damn him as an "anti-semite" without any basis to this in reality, yet fully condone your vile, murderous and putrid hatred of MULTIPLE races. Yes, millions of Arabs hate us and would want to see us dead. But can YOU speak for any and every Arab everywhere in the world? I went to multiple international schools around the world where I had to live and learn with these people...what are you doing, seeing only what you want to see on TV? Or are you, and this is far more likely, going to websites that do nothing but LIE and SLANDER and MAKE THINGS UP (Oh my, this sounds familiar!) about peoples and races they don't even fully understand. SHOW ME THE PROOF THAT ALLOWS FOR YOU TO SPEAK FOR EVERY ARAB ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

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HordeKing1

02-17-2003, 03:30 PM

I've offered hundreds of obgjective pieces of evidence before. Including the most telling ones, from Arab newspapers, Muslim newspapers, (foreign and domestic.) First hand observers of their carnage. Converstaions with people returning from services at the Mosques. Arab textbooks demonizing the west and jews. All sorts of arab propeganda.

They were ignored, not read or more probably not comprehended. Actually, most likely they were merely ignored. It is impossible to get a person who cannot see the nose in front of his face, to see a situation that has a history of almost 1500 years.

You believe what you want, if it makes it easier for you to sleep at night, in your fantasy world where everyone joins hands and sings joy to the world.

And if you're lucky, perhaps the next attack will take you out quickly and not leave you much time to worry about how wrong you were. Better hope the 72 virgins are waiting for you.

EDIT: How interesting that in your last post you conceeded how pitiful the American Arab/Muslim response was and now you've decided that they've done more than they should have. It's just a few bad guys. And only Hitler hated Jews. And priests started raping boys just a few decades ago.

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TheMojoPin

02-17-2003, 03:48 PM

How interesting that in your last post you conceeded how pitiful the American Arab/Muslim response was and now you've decided that they've done more than they should have.

I have done nothing of the sort. I was pointing out there yerdaddy has indicated that there IS some evidence to the contrary, whereas you say there is NONE. I said nowhere that this was a "massive" amount, or a "flood" of evidence. Your argument is so flimsy, spiteful and baseless that all it requires is just a few examples to the contrary to shatter it. Also, please answer me how your snide comments about his sources being so "flimsy" still stand after I pointed out that 17 of his links come directly from reports within the US State Department? And that ties in to the crux of my last post, which is how you think you can speak and get into the head of every Arab on the planet? Please, please, PLEASE answer me that one thing. "Hundreds of articles" do not speak for hundreds of millions. Nineteen murderers do not speak for hundreds of millions. The elite, thieving, murdering, brainwashing ruling classes do NOT speak for hundreds of millions. YOU do not speak for hundreds of millions. Nor do I. I'm not anywhere near syaing "all Arabs are good." Millions ARE evil and murderous and want us dead and burning and our country shattered. But if ONE Arab does not think this, just ONE, your entire argument is destroyed. Becuase all it takes is ONE person to spread a different opinion or an opposing idea. And your decision that this kind of free thought is not possible in the mind of ANY ARAB in ANY COUNTRY around this planet is simply absurd.

I conceded to you that YES, millions of Arabs DO hate us and want nothing more than to see us head. "Millions" is hardly "every arab on the planet. And I'm not saying that actions of Arabs that work in our millitary, government and law enforcement services even comes close to "making up" for what happened on 9/11...but it IS a glaring counterbalance to your incomprehensible hatred of ALL ARABS.

I hate the terrorists. I LOATHE and DEPSISE and WISH DEAD the Arabs that wish me dead. But this is hardly a logical reason to suddenly make the MASSIVE jump to hating ALL ARABS. It's insane to me...brutal, illogical, savage, and just as bad as anything those that hate us try and preach and force upon others. You accuse yerdaddy of being a "traitor?" Your words, sir, are no better than those spoken by a hate-filled terrorist. You've sunk to their level of rhetoric and speaking (NOT action, so don't try and imply that), and it's disgusting.

I like you, and you seem like an incredibly intelligent person...but this hatred you're spewing is one of THE most awful things I've ever heard. I'm sorry.

Hate your enemy. I do. But hating everyone that looks or sounds the same or might be from the same country as them is no better than the hateful bastards over the years that have attempted to demonize entire races of people, be it be from the Jews to Americans. You think we should learn from history. That's funny, because apparently you've learned just as little as we have when it comes to learning from the mistakes of the past.

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HordeKing1

02-17-2003, 03:58 PM

I coneded to you that YES, millions of Arabs DO hate us and want nothing more than to see us head. (sic). "Millions" is hardly "every arab on the planet.

Even if I were to argue without conceeding that your "millions" figure is correct, it's more than enough. It's not a "few idividuals." It's millions of people by your own statement. By my accounts, the accounts of everyone who is in the area and their own accounts, it's every one of them. But again, I expected my sources, the arabs own publications to be ignored.

The state dept link you say shatters my arguement, is dated a week after the bombing of the WTC and murder of Americans. AFTER Muslims/Arabs with views like thier compatiriots overseas began to get beaten up. IF you look at the headline, it says that they fear retaliation. Hence these bullshit news stories a full week after the incident.

And the bulk of those links are still Arab or Islamic sources. AND anyone can say anything. Actions are what count. They have shown us time and time again what their actions are. Now they should pay.

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02-17-2003, 04:06 PM

You're contradicting yourself by stating that when yerdaddy uses Arab sources, they "must" be lies, but yours are impeccable and beyond reproach. Make up your mind and be consistent with your biases.

Those aren't State Department "articles", they are offical State Department reports based on investigation and field reporting, similar to what is done in both the FBI and CIA. You are assuming these articles are lies. You are assuming that the Arabs speaking within are liars. You are assuming that every Arab who has ever existed has lied if they speak about anything except or against the destruction of non-Arabs. You're entire sense of hatred is based on assumptions. Why? Every other issue you rely on cold hard facts. The facts here can ONLY say at best and at their most loosest interpretation that "SOME Arabs want to kill Americans." It is simply impossible to prove that every Arab who walks this planet wants to kill and destroy Americans, and it's a frankly ludicrous and unecessarily overreactionary assumption to leap to.

Let me present this: my first "real" girlfriend was Iranian. She's now attending medical school in Boston. The last girl I dated up until last month (And still actually work with) is half Egyptian, half Iraqi. She is also studying medicine (Actually taking her MCAT classes right now). What threat do these two women pose to us? What proves to you that they hate us and would kill you or myself if the moment struck them, or some "mass order" was given? Like you said, you can only speak from what you see and hear...and I heard or saw nothing from these intimate relationships that would indicate that these women or their parents or brothers and sisters want me or anyone around me dead. That alone is proof enough for me that there are other Arabs out there who defy the accusations you level at them. I highly doubt I stumbled across the only two Arab familes in the entire world that don't want me or my fellow Americans dead.

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TheMojoPin

02-17-2003, 04:18 PM

They have shown us time and time again what their actions are.

No, the TERRORISTS and the ZEALOTS have. The millions who have left for Europe and and America and Asia to pursue better jobs, betetr education and a better lifestyle have shown through THEIR actions that they reject the teachings and brainwashing of the terrorists and the puppet governments that support them. The very fact that these people have moved to new countries to start a new life is proof and action enough that they reject what is expected of them by the extremists. You can point to a couple hundred individuals at best who have been arrested here with the intentions of doing us harm. I can point to tens of millions all around the world who simply live their lives and do their jobs and don't subscribe to the hateful notion that "non-Muslims must be destroyed." If you honestly believe these masses are really just a "secret army" waiting to all rise up against us at a moment's notice, well, you have reached a marvelous new level of paranoia.

PLEASE "FREE" YERDADDY.

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Yerdaddy

02-17-2003, 04:51 PM

He has lots of Islamic Hate sites in his favorite folder and cannot separate fantasy from reality.
Most of the links came from your enemy: The US State Department. (http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/islam/homepage.htm). Many of these pronouncements of sympathy and support were ad space in major newspapers purchased by these groups at thousands of dollars each. You can claim an ulterior motive, (backed by whatever credibility you think you have), but you cannot claim that these pronouncements were not made.
Virtually every paper commented on the lack of positive American Islamic response to the terrorist murder of 3000 people.
Count how many sources I sited above. I'll let you match half that number with negative American Islamic responses to 9-11. Otherwise, I stick to my claim that you're a liar.
When the Moslems and Arabs started getting beaten up, all of a sudden, a few PC papers, (but mostly bullshit, lying Islamic sources) were filled with expressions of sorrow.
Again, the State Department is a "bullshit, lying Islamic source"? You lose credibility with every post. You should think about stopping.
Dancing in the street and expressing sorrow simultaneously. Hmmm.
How old are you?
But revisionist history has always been big among the Arab/Muslim lovers.
A play on the term "N lover"? That makes you look real credible.
When we go to war, YERDADDY, will you prefer to call yourself a traitor or merely a collaborator?
It's fairly safe to call me a traitor over the internet. I suggest you don't say that if we ever meet.
It's attitudes like yours that make me wonder if we as a species have no more than 20 years ahead of us.
I'm not the one who advocates genocide. Before you claim that I advocated it for Israel, go back to my post and find an example. You have NEVER backed up that claim.
You're part of the same contingent that would decry the US getting involved in WWII b/c the "good German civillians" (hah!) might get hurt. Hell you'd probably express sympathy with the plight of the poor Japanese who were "victims" of the A-Bomb. The fact that it conservatively saved well over 100,000 American lives are inconsequential to you, as obviously we come last.
I hate to even give this crap any attention at all, but for the sake of consistency: Considering the way I live my life now, I would probably have been among the first in America to learn of the Bund Report out of Poland in 1942, (by the Jewish Socialist Bund in Poland), which was the most comprehensive report on the Nazi atrocities in occupied Europe at the time. The report was publicized by Szmul Zygielbojm, Jan Karski and Raphael Lemkin, all Polish Jews who were lobbying the US and Allies to bomb Auschwitz and the Warsaw ghetto, or at least the railroads into them, but were dismissed by US and Allied leadership. I would probably be lobbying on their behalf, dick. Actually, I probably would have been working on Raphael Lemkin's previous cause, to use the Armenian genocide to get an international law passed that would ban genocide. Then I would probably have worked for US ratification of the 1948 Genocide Convention, which didn't happen until 1988, after 96 other nations had ratified it.

And before you poo poo my claim to what I stand for, show me where the fuck you have stood up for anyone except Israel. Where have you said one word about Armenians, Cambodians, Rwandan Tutsis, Burundi Hutus, East Timorese, Bosnian Muslims, Kosovo Albanians, Iraqi Kurds, etc. ? What the fuck you stand for except your own petty hatred? All you have is the ridiculous claim that Israel, with its 200 nuclear weapons, F-16s, Apache Helicopters, and $5 billion a year in military aid from the US, is currently suffering a genocide at the hands of the Arab world. You are a zealot. You are a Zionist ideologue, and nothing more. You don't give a fuck about right and wrong, only the security and expantion of Israel. I would, and have, defended the need for the security of

East Side Dave

02-17-2003, 04:54 PM

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HordeKing1

02-17-2003, 05:44 PM

You wrote, "Most of the links came from your enemy: The US State Department." FOOL - They're reporting the proclamations made to US officials to avoid arrest. Note that these statements did not issue for a week or more after the attack when the "American" Arabs started getting beaten up. But you've conveniently neglected this. AND AGAIN, you've demonstrated remarkably inept reading comprehension skills.

I used the term, "Arab/Muslim lovers" to describe you and your ilk. YOU equated it with "a play on the term 'N' lover. Your racist roots showing again. "Arab/Muslim lovers" as I used it, was in the context (look up the big word) of lovers of enemies of America (as the Arabs have proven to be) and believers of horsehit propeganda and refusing to see or being unable to comprehend the difference b/w a press statement given to ward off attacks and that given to their own people, immediately after the attack on America and continuing to this day.

I'll be glad to call you a collaborator or traiter if ever we meet. I cannot think of a better description.

You wrote, "I'm not the one who advocates genocide." I disagree. You also advocate suicide, by not killing those who have vowed to kill us. Frankly, you're not worth my time to go back and look up your old posts. They were worthless drivel the first time around, and just reading them, is enough to mourn the general decline of intelligence in America. YOU LACK BASIC READING COMPREHENSION SKILLS. I've said this many times before but you still don't get it. I'm advocating self-defense. We have a ruthless enemy who wants us (except you of course - dope) dead. We must destroy utterly all those with the capability and will and desire to destroy Americans (and all non-Muslims in general) and their delusions of heaven and 72 virgins for killing us.

LMFAO! Regarding your claim that you'd be lobbying on behalf of the Jews of Europe. (Hah!) You don't even address the issue raised about fighting Germans when only Hitler himself was responsible, in your sick little mind. You'd rather choose to "lobby" and talk of peace and appeasement. You don't address the issue of Japan at all. You'd be a misguided peacenik playing the appeasement game, and as I'm sure you've never read, Winston Churchill said that appeasement is giving food to the crocodile hoping he'll eat you last. Dope.

If you're interested in my other political concerns aside from Israel, about which the Arabs have constructed the biggest lie of the last millennia (at least) just read the board to the best of your ability. You can ask someone to help you interpret. You'll find, I've advocated on a variety of issues of particular concern to women, and to the need for sex education and health care in Africa and the need for health care reform in America and the need for a living wage, and many others - all of which I'm sure you've never heard of, or understand what the issues are even about.

Anyone who has any concern for justice would be primarily concerned for the survival of Israel and Jews. But anti-Semitism is nothing new. Fact is the world doesn't care if the Jews are all killed. At least not when the Arabs have the oil. It certainly does not rank up there with your lofty concept of justice. And guess what. If the Arabs send their kids to blow up civilians, and Israeli's retaliate by blowing up a munitions factory at which babies are deliberately kept to prevent them from being targeted, and when Arabs give their kids guns, and put them in the front lines and the kids are shot - tough shit. They're being saved from future child abuse and a glorious career as a suicide bomber. These Arabs are not getting 1/2 what they deserve. Either put an end to the shit or die. That's what it comes down too.

Your goal isn't peace. Your goal is to hide your head in the sand like an ostrach (look up the big word) and hope you are eaten last by the crocodiles. FOOL!

I'll leave you with these words, which I know you've never heard before, as you're not