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mason
02-15-2003, 02:49 PM
hi, happy late v-day to all the ronfez.net members
i am not sure if any of u are interested, but wbai, 99.5, has extensive coverage of the protest. this station is rather peace orienated, so some of u may not agree. today was an international day of protest with demos in manila, rome, montana, and a host of other places. do any of u think this will deter bush's plans?

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ChickenHawk
02-15-2003, 03:01 PM
I hope Susan Serandon gets AIDS.

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LiquidCourage
02-15-2003, 03:21 PM
These people are pathetic.
The "human shields" are even worse.
I hope they're all mauled by Daisy Cutters when we bomb Baghdad.

LiquidCourage
02-15-2003, 03:21 PM
Human shields aren't in Baghdad to deter a bombing?

Okay...

TheMojoPin
02-15-2003, 03:26 PM
It's not meant to "deter" anything Bush is doing, just to show that there IS opposition to the pro-war movement.

You don't agree? Fine, don't, but don't be a shit about it. It's hardly going to impede your valiant quest to be a lazy, useless, do-nothing cumspurt, so why get uppity about it?

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mason
02-15-2003, 03:38 PM
first off i am not being upity about anything. i was posing a question to the board, a board that seems, to me, to be more pro war than anti war. i agreed with a lot of what was said today and wanted to know what everyone else felt. the mainstream media did not report on the protests today and what was being said. i am sorry if you did not like the tone of my post, but i was not trying to be offensive to anyone. there are some people on the board who will not agree with some of the rhetoric of the protests or the protestors and i was trying to be sensative to everyones feeling and ideas.

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LiquidCourage
02-15-2003, 03:52 PM
The mainstream media is all over it!
They were talking about how big they were on CNN before.

TheMojoPin
02-15-2003, 04:14 PM
i am sorry if you did not like the tone of my post, but i was not trying to be offensive to anyone.

It wasn't "you" as in YOU, it was "you" in the general "if you decry something because it doesn't agree with your lazy outlook on life", as some here are apt to do.

If I had meant you, I would have quoted you, so no worries.

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TheMojoPin
02-15-2003, 04:16 PM
Human shields aren't in Baghdad to deter a bombing?

He wasn't posting ANYTHING about the moronic "human shields", he was posting about the protestors that took to the streets worldwide today. As is typical with you, outside of contributing nothing to a politcal discussion/debate except time-wasting one-liners, you try to skew an issue you DON'T understand to something you think you understand.

If you think the "human shields" are doucherags (And they are), then start a thread about it...don't shanghai another thread that has nothing to to do with an issue you're half-mindedly trying to bash.

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FiveB247
02-15-2003, 04:21 PM
mason..i'm with you...i'm not much of a protestor...but i'm glad to see people standing up for what they believe and protest against the war to be.

BTW...most of the people on this board are hawks.

TheMojoPin
02-15-2003, 04:24 PM
BTW...most of the people on this board are hawks.

No, most of the people on the board the reply to your threads are probably hawks...which makes it about a grand total of one. There's several thousand posters here, and to try and define them all as either just "hawks" or "doves" is a little ridiculous. I consider myself a peacenik, but at this juncture I'm finding myself supporting some form of millitary intervention in Iraq on the US' part...just not a fullscale invasion. So where do I fall?

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Drudge Jr.
02-15-2003, 04:52 PM
i was at the protests today, all of midtown manhattan was protesters and cops. the main protest was pretty dumb, it turned into this thing about palestine and i was tired of surrandumb and sharpton so i walked to grand central - literally 90%+ of everyone was protesters. i saw a lot arrests, i saw an anarchist group rush a barracade (one of the coolest things i've ever seen) i saw about 80 starbucks filled with yuppie protesters. all in all it was pretty cool, but to many yuppies and not enough punks. also the cops were way to controlling, it took me about 2 hours to from 52nd and 1st to grand central because the police was blocking everything, there was definatly no need for a lot of what the cops were doing, fortunatly i only heard of a few minor incidents of brutality.

event organizers say there was about 500,000 protests, 5x as many as they expected

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FUNKMAN
02-15-2003, 06:06 PM
I would have to think that it has to make Bush think twice and may ultimately delay or put off his plans for war for good, or until there is another agressive/terrorist act within the US...



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Meatball
02-15-2003, 07:33 PM
well - they were out there...Americans protesting war with Iraq. And no one can ignore that. Id like to see the Bush Administration spend more effort in showing the public - even if it means addressing the nation yet again with the facts, that war is the ONLY way to secure the safety of our way of life. I belive that anti war folks are naive and short sighted in NOT seeing that Muslim nations only respond to aggression. THey have never responded to anything else.
As soon as Sadam gets his war machine up and running he will use it. His sons are even sicker and more Evil, if thats even possible. By not acting NOW to eliminate this threat, it grows strong and more dangerous. What has to actually occur to us - to get the "doves" off their liberal clouds of rapture?


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TheMojoPin
02-15-2003, 08:04 PM
By not acting NOW to eliminate this threat, it grows strong and more dangerous. What has to actually occur to us - to get the "doves" off their liberal clouds of rapture?


Some of the protesters have their heads in the clouds and don't want ANY war EVER. This is ridiculous. Most, however, are saying that fullscale war is not the only option. Relatively few are saying that we shouldn't act at all...most are just saying we have options as to HOW we can act.

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TheMojoPin
02-15-2003, 08:06 PM
literally 90%+ of everyone was protesters. i saw a lot arrests, i saw an anarchist group rush a barracade (one of the coolest things i've ever seen) i saw about 80 starbucks filled with yuppie protesters. all in all it was pretty cool, but to many yuppies and not enough punks.

No, we need LESS "anarchists", "punks" and "hippies". The punks and anarchists just want to cause trouble, get rowdy and break shit. This is nothing but detrimental to whatever cause is being protested. These are also the assholes that get the bulk of the media attention and present an awful image for the protesters as a whole. The "hippies" want to show up and do interpetive dances or run around naked want to "make love, not war", and basically degrade the serious and legitimacy of whatever cause or movement is being protested. I'm all for free speech, but godDAMN some of these assholes need to actually think before they open their mouths...

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NewYorkDragons80
02-15-2003, 08:25 PM
i saw about 80 starbucks filled with yuppie protesters
Isn't it 2003? I'm not trying to pick on Drudge Jr., but yuppies? I think Family Ties was cancelled a few years back :) . I actually thought about going to Curtis Sliwa's pro-war rally, but ultimately decided not to. Bush needs to get this war over with before the approval for it sinks below 60%.

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TheMojoPin
02-15-2003, 08:38 PM
I actually thought about going to Curtis Sliwa's pro-war rally, but ultimately decided not to.

Get out there and tiggedy-TESTIFY, homeskillet!

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LiquidCourage
02-15-2003, 08:43 PM
The idea of a "pro-war" rally makes me just laugh my ass off.

ChickenHawk
02-15-2003, 09:35 PM
Isn't the whole point of a rally to speak out AGAINST what the people in power are doing? You don't rally just to say "Yeah! I agree!"

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ChrisTheCop
02-15-2003, 11:02 PM
. i saw a lot arrests, i saw an anarchist group rush a barracade (one of the coolest things i've ever seen) all in all it was pretty cool, but to many yuppies and not enough punks.




Yeah, its always cool to endanger the well-beings of cops and others. And yuppies and punks? Who cares what they are as long as theyre for the same cause...oh, but I'll get to that.also the cops were way to controlling, it took me about 2 hours to from 52nd and 1st to grand central because the police was blocking everything, there was definatly no need for a lot of what the cops were doing,

Cops are controlling by nature. Thats what we're paid for. Odd that we'd have to try harder than usual to keep the peace at a friggin PEACE RALLY. The reason streets/sidewalks were blocked off is because we were trying to protect the general public from the crowd. Keep in mind that we expected maybe 100, 000 at most. We were caught off guard for the 1st time in a long time (usually theres way too many cops at the start of an event, and its a waste of manpower. Today we definately cudda used more right away.) We had to call for more at the 1st uprising. Boy it was no fun being one of only a handful of cops those 1st few hours.fortunately i only heard of a few minor incidents of brutality.
I heard of a couple:
A high ranking police officer was punched in the face by an alleged "peace lover"
several protesters jumped on the head of a police horse, trying to wrestle it to the ground and kicking it.
someone threw a bottle at another horses head, injuring his eye. at least 8 cops were injured
...oh, I'm sorry, did u mean the big bad police yelling at you? event organizers say there was about 500,000 protests, 5x as many as they expected
I'm not sure of the official count, but it was definately way more than expected, or reported by organizers prior to the event. But soon into the event, it bacame apparent that alot of people werent there (just) for world peace. I saw Peta signs, Greenpeace signs, Gay/Lesbian organization signs. I guess its easy to get numbers if you let just anyone march with you. Not since the infamous PR Day parade have I been more ashamed of a group of attendees to a NYC event. Though I try to keep in mind, as Mojo pointed out, that most trouble makers usually arent really there for the cause. Still, the organizers, though proud of the numbers, have to be just a little embarrased at the events that besmirched "their day".

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FiveB247
02-16-2003, 12:26 AM
That;s exactly the reason why I stay away from protests and such....you can never tell the general consensus of the group til something happens or the protest is over....you could be group into a group considered "anarchists" or could be a peaceful demonstration......but regardless of me being there...i'm glad to see others do it and show up for such ideas and beliefs.

NewYorkDragons80
02-16-2003, 06:41 AM
Well, notice the only time there are "pro-war" rallies is when they counter anti-war rallies. The idea is that you get enough people on your side and it negates the accomplishments (attendance-wise) of the anti-war side.

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pixiestix
02-16-2003, 06:51 AM
Chris:
As a resident of midtown Manhattan in the area
affected by the march, I thank the NYPD. I hope the
injured police and horses are ok.

The incredible number of people and the increasing
level of frustration and anger on the part of "peace
marchers" was scary. On my block our doorman was
assulted by 2 "peace marchers" when he tried to
prevent them from spraying some bullshit graffiti on our
building.




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Drudge Jr.
02-16-2003, 11:34 AM
i want to retract the "i wish there were more punks" thing, mojopin's right, but i also dont like ignorant poser liberals who are just there to say bush is stupid and to drink mocha lattes and eat yogurt. but obviosly anarchists who just want chaos and violence arent helping anything.



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FiveB247
02-17-2003, 06:45 PM
Honestly..why do the cops still have people on horses? Are we decending to the middle ages? I never understood why they still have that. It's just odd.

NewYorkDragons80
02-18-2003, 06:27 AM
The horse is advantageous in certain situations, especially crowd control. It's also easier to patrol, say, a park in a horse as opposed to a car since a car would be difficult to use in a terrain like that.

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IRISjr
02-18-2003, 06:46 AM
I went at 11:30 and got off the train at timesquare to meet a friend (thats why I didn't take a closer train or something) and never left time square, I got fenced in! Like 10 blocks from where the protest should have been or something!

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FiveB247
02-18-2003, 10:15 AM
I realize its intentions in crowd control and in parks...but how often do those situations arise? Seriously.

ChrisTheCop
02-18-2003, 12:26 PM
I realize its intentions in crowd control and in parks...but how often do those situations arise? Seriously.

Now youre just being silly. But..as I've read your other posts, perhaps youre not. There's a parade/demonstration almost once a month in NYC, and theres also a little strip of land in the middle of Manhattan called central PARK. Not to mention numerous other parks in the 5 boroughs. Believe me, if they werent an integral part of police work, Bloomberg would shut em down and reassign those cops.

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02-18-2003, 12:35 PM
Chris, your sigpic reminded me that on this past Saturday's "Cops", a cop dressed up like Coco the Clown in order to go undercover as a "john" to bust prostitutes. Did you see that? That indeed was some weird shit.

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FiveB247
02-18-2003, 02:11 PM
Being silly? Just wondering really. I've seen cops on bicycles, motorcycles, those three-wheeled riders, etc.....all very accessible to parks. Can anyone seriously account for a time when they've seen a cop on a horse run a criminal down or capture a criminal? I think the only time they are used is protests.....and probably the most famous instance was when Wade Boggs road one around after they won the series. I was mostly curious about this item...not really busting balls over it....but it does seem a bit outdated in my opinion.

Drudge Jr.
02-18-2003, 03:27 PM
i read an interview with the breeder of some of those police horses, they're bred with some sort of "stampede" gene, and they can go dangerously out of control if excited, i'd hate to see what those horses would do in a riot situation.

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CaptClown
02-18-2003, 03:51 PM
Being silly? Just wondering really. I've seen cops on bicycles, motorcycles, those three-wheeled riders, etc.....all very accessible to parks.

Yes you are being silly. You can't get the height on any of those vehicles you can with a horse. With said height you can survey a larger area. It also harder to pull someone off of a large animal that is just as likely to bite and kick the s' out of you than it is to pull someone on a bicycle. Besides when was the last time you have seen any of those vehicles move laterally from a standing position.

Can anyone seriously account for a time when they've seen a cop on a horse run a criminal down or capture a criminal?

No but I have seen instances where they have used said height to see distubances, radio plainclothes officers that are blended into a crowd and let them apprehend subjects.

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NewYorkDragons80
02-18-2003, 03:56 PM
I've seen cops on bicycles, motorcycles, those three-wheeled riders, etc.....
All these things serve different purposes. Motorcycles are agile and used in high-speed situations. Bicycles are also agile, but are man-powered and good to use on the general streets where a car or even a motorcycle would not be practical. A horse performs well in a situation where a bike cannot. A bike puts the officer at a disadvantage in crowd control for obvious reasons, but a horse is a tamed animal that is potentially lethal. Those three-wheeled vehicles are still a mystery to me, but they make for a good Mr. Bean gag.

Drudge Jr, watch tape of the Crown Heights riots (which my dad helped enforce). You will see horses helping to restore order. Through all the mayhem, I have yet to see any horses "going crazy".

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LiquidCourage
02-19-2003, 01:50 PM
It would be so funny if someone unleashed a chemical attack on a pack of protesters.

TheMojoPin
02-19-2003, 03:25 PM
It would have been hilarious if Popeye had used your mom's sac as a speedbag.

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grlNIN
02-19-2003, 03:30 PM
i am protesting against this protest thread

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LiquidCourage
02-19-2003, 03:42 PM
That reminds me when in PCU they start yelling "We're not gonna protest! We're not gonna protest!"

TheMojoPin
02-19-2003, 04:10 PM
Wait, so does that make LiquidCourage...

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