NWA vs WWE which side are you on?

[guy44687843]

I personally think the NWA will destroy the WWE. WWE ratings/HS Attendence/PPV Buyrates are dropping, and NWA stedily grows.
The NWA had To Turn away 200 fans from there latest show, and continue to pack houses in the TNA Asylum. Soon, NWA will find a new bigger Arena to accomidate there fans.
all that aside, What is your opinion? Will the Sports Entertainment continue to reign surpream?? Or will Pro Wrestling reclaim its former diginity? Post Here.

[Cannon]

For all their talent ( most of whom are the future of the business) NWA/TNA will never be a serious alternative to the WWE until they start touring, stop centering the promotion on Jarrett and Russo, and they get national broadcast TV.

For the "Asylum" to turn away 200 fans is a good start, but it's not that big of an arena to begin with. WWE on their worst night still draws hundreds more than TNA currently does.

While it's a good start, they have alot of hurdles to overcome, hopefully the new financial backers can expand their presence nationally, because at one point, they were very close to shutting down.

[Fallon]

I want TNA to get big, but unless they get a real TV deal it's not gonna happen.

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[RF Godfather]

Is there any doubt which side I am on?

Come on! Me, Number One TNA mark ova here! I want them to annihilate WWE more than anyone.

But they have lot of problems:

First problem, with that statement is if they are to get bigger than the WWE is that they need some sort of national television deal whch they do not have. They are not even a blip on the wide screen that is the WWE.
Secondly, who the hell really wants to pay $40 bucks a month?
Thirdly, although this is a good marketing strategy for their guys, they need to keep their workers on TNA instead of having them do tour dates in Japan ("Curry Man" Chris Daniels, Malice, etc.), Mexico and other indies. Stability is always good.
Fourthly, have your guys do public appearances to let the newer fans get to know your product.
Fifthly, they need to move to another venue than the present TNA Asylum. Attendance is improving and they are already selling out crowds and actually turning away people for once so it would be in their best interests to do so.
Lastly, if I were Vince Russo I would finally break away from the NWA (not meaing the S.E.X. angle) and just call themselves TNA. I'm being totally serious here. They should be on their own, a separate entity from NWA. NWA in my definition signified the South primarily and not the global entity that is the WWE. The only title that TNA can call its own is the TNA X-Division strap, the others are the NWA World Title and the NWA Tag Titles. I know, I'm nit-picking.

TNA, you really have a long way to go but you are on the right track.

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This message was edited by RonFez Mark on 2-22-03 @ 8:32 AM

[Teenweek]

NWA is no where near the WWE. Whether the WWE makes mistakes (Raven, Jerry Lynn)or not (Justin Credible, D Lo Brown), they were still castoffs and never did much in WWE. Now those guys become main eventers in NWA. The WWE is so loaded they had to have a talent split.

Wrestling is cyclical and interest is down. It will be back up just like it always is. Without a tv deal, NWA has no chance at all of ever coming close and probably staying in existence. If WCW and ECW could not stay in business, do you think a startup like NWA can. You cannot live off of PPV.

WWE currently has 7 hours of free programming every week and 1 PPV a month that is still cheaper than 4 shows of NWA. No matter what you say or not the public thinks of NWA has WWF lite right now, not knowing the indy guys and just the castoffs from WWE.

No matter how bad house shows or ppv buys are doing they still destroy the NWA. They would kill for those buys. And remember the Super Bowl of Wrestling is a month away. Even people who don't follow wrestling have heard of Wrestlemania. The next 2 months should peak interest back in the WWe with Rock, and Austin back. Nash, Rhnyo coming back and Goldberg and or Sting to join.

[SuperClerk]

I would love to see NWA succeed, but it's not going to happen. The weekly suprises are fun, but how much longer can it go on for? Even when ECW did something like that, they always had their core of wrestlers to fall back on. If you saw the Steiners, Ron Simmons, Tully Blanchard, Marty Jannetty, and Steve Austin show up at the ECW Arena, you knew not to rely on a lot of appearances. They had guys like Tommy Dreamer, Raven, Taz, Sabu, Shane Douglas, and Mikey Whipwreck. These men were ECW. With TNA, you know that Dusty Rhodes and Vader aren't gonna stay for that long. Plus how are we supposed to identify with TNA if we keep getting different wrestlers every week that we are supposed to cheer or boo.

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[guy44687843]

I know that Nwa is a while away from a compition with WWE, but there T.V. deal will come soon. If they can prove to
networks that they can provide a great sucessful product, which is happening right now, then they have got it made. Why does it matter that the nwa was a southern promotion?? Its wrestling for christs sakes!
WCW started in the south, and it was sucessful for a period, which had nothing to do thats its origins were in georgia. For the PPV pricing, would you pay $35 for a heaping bowl of shit, or would u pay $10 a week for a steak.
Thats what it comes down to, shit or steak?

[guy44687843]

Teenweek

1. there are EMPTY SEATS at WWE house shows, compared to the packed asylum

2. Hogan/Macmahon will not increse buyrates

3. besides the main event, it will be shobby as hell. The only other reason to wacth will be to finally see HHH lose to Booker T for the title

4. its WWE, they always mess shit up. They will put RVD in a tag macth with Kane & win the Tag belts, Los Gurerros will not be on the card most likely, Rey Rey will win the cruiserweight title,which i have no prob with, & besides, maybe wrestlemania wiil temporally boost attention but good things usally never last and people will relize that they are being fed the same crap they were before wrestlmania. NWATNA 4 LIFE

[Teenweek]

Keep dreaming.

I will be surprised if NWA does not have a tv deal by this time next year, if they are even still around or fold up just like the rest of the startup promotions. And as soon as they become a legitimate threat, Vince will squash them like a bug like he has done to everyone else. Look his 2 main enemies, Bischoff and Heyman work for him. And wcw and ecw were worlds ahead of NWA.

[guy44687843]

Tennweek, the thing you forgot was that ecw was poorly managed. WCW was already in the crapper even before they were bought out. Either way, wcw was dead. NWATNA is a lot different in the fact that the management knows what its doing. There were MASSIVE probelms with egos. NWATNA has very few ego manics. and is more focused on bringing back pro wrestling than the shoddy tatics of WCW or the mindless crap WWE forces down fans throuts. You will see.

NWATNA 4 Life

[Teenweek]

Frankly, the Road Warriors, Dusty Rhodes, Nikita Koloff, the Rock and Roll Express, the harris Boys, vader do nothing for me. This is not the 80's anymore. I give you the x division. That's about it. Jeff Jarrett is most famous for losing to Chyna in a housekeeping match. By the way didn't Russo ruin WCW.

[guy44687843]

I agree the legands are a little much, but come on!! Russo did not pull wcw out the crapper, like he was suppose to. You think he is going to do the same thing twice? The wrestlers now have more imput than they did in wcw. Besides, he knows this is his last chance to earn back his respect. The talent in NWA are motivated to keep it alive, unlike wcw when politics destroyed the companys foundation. And remember, russo was not the only person in managemennt at the time.

[shamus mcfitzy]

i don't even think that NWA has gotten any full ratings reports yet because ppv buyrates come out very slowly, so i don't think anyone can even say NWA is doing very well.
If WWE had 1 show in Hartford every week i think they would get full shows too. NWA sounds good, and i'd like to watch it but Wednesday is even a bad day to watch wrestling. Certaintly if they got a tv show on cable monday nights, i'd watch it between RAW, just like i watched nitro. But i think that WWE will always be top dog unless the mcmahon's quit the wrestling business. There will always be 2.5% of the audience that will want to watch sports entertainment unless vince/shane/steph do something really repulsive and they're way too smart to screw it up completely

[Se7en]

i don't even think that NWA has gotten any full ratings reports yet because ppv buyrates come out very slowly, so i don't think anyone can even say NWA is doing very well.


The promotion has been around for over 6 months now. Trust me, they have enough buyrate reports to know whether things are going well or not. And they ARE doing well. Hell, they've expanded into other countries as well - you don't just do that without at least SOME measure of success.

I'm not saying that the NWA will destroy Vince and the WWE, or that they can compete yet with the McMahons....but the promotion HAS been successful so far. They may not be pulling in McMahon level revenues, but they are doing well. Well enough, at the least, that they are continually experiencing growth and have developed what seems to be a stable fan base (something which managed to keep ECW around, poor management and all, for YEARS).

Remember this about the NWA - at this point they've been around for something close to 8 months, which is at least 6 months longer than most people were giving them.

I'm not entirely sure what the future holds for the NWA, but I for one will not have a doom and gloom attitude about the company. I see that a lot from people on the net. "Oh, they're doomed to fail. Vince will crush them eventually." Maybe so. But in the meantime, I'm going to be entertained. Jarrett & Styles, last week, had a match which I thought was better and more entertaining than anything the WWE has done this month.

As for the name....sorry, Mark. Much as I enjoy having you as a fellow NWA fan, I have to disagree - I think they should keep the NWA name, simply because it still holds all of the history and prestige that goes along with it.

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[RF Godfather]

Jarrett & Styles, last week, had a match which I thought was better and more entertaining than anything the WWE has done this month.Se7en, that has to be a candidate for TNA Match of the Year, right? Well if we didn't get all that interence (Zybszko, Harris Brothers, Siaki and Desire)anyway.

As for the name....sorry, Mark. Much as I enjoy having you as a fellow NWA fan, I have to disagree - I think they should keep the NWA name, simply because it still holds all of the history and prestige that goes along with it.Nooo... Se7en think about it. Come on bro. TNA deserves to be on its own footing.... well you actually got a point there.

Bah! Damn I hate to admit it when I am wrong. Tradition should exist.

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This message was edited by RonFez Mark on 2-23-03 @ 6:58 AM

[travis151]

I would love to see NWA succeed this would bring the rivalary back to wrestling all they need is a National 'free' tv deal maybe saturday nights on Fox or something in that respect. Just like alot of things wrestling always had it swings in popularity maybe in couple years wrestling will be strong again but shows like Smackdown are on primetime Thursday its rough facing shows like Survior and Friends.

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[guy44687843]

NWA=more gooder
WWE=Shitter

Bow to me, Assclowns

[Nwo4lLife]

I too hope nwa gets big but only for one reason. So the wwe has to try harder to keep ratings. Competion equals better wrestling.

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[Teenweek]

NWA=more gooder
WWE=Shitter



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It's pretty easy, you don't like them, Stop watching. I know when I don't like a show, I turn it off. But I love car crashes.

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[guy44687843]

Don't like it, stop waching


I did. I only watch Lance storm/RVD Matchs on RAW

The only WWE program i watch is SD, and not always

NWATNA 4 LIFE

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[RF Godfather]

Another interesting tidbit from Borash's weekly column:

Xplosion debuts on Time Warner in Manhattan this weekend. Check your local listings, as the program will be airing on a promotional channel. Xplosion also has gained clearance in Roanoke. Philly looks to be almost done as well.Anyone from the Mad-hatty area, catch this? "This weekend" is very vague: Friday, Saturday, Sunday?

I live in Queens and have Time Warner Queens, dammit. Expand TNA to all parts of the tri-state area, already!

For those who don't know, Xplosion is a NWA-TNA one hour program filled with alot of quality X-Division and S.E.X. matches along with a happy recap of TNA PPV Wednesdays.

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[HAMMERHEAD]

I personally think NWA will destroy the WWE

O.k. so I watched N.W.A. / T.N.A. / S.E.X./ S.U.X./ B.I.G./D.I.K. . What the hell is this with all the abbreviations and slashes pick a fucking name already. You know what it reminded me of, it reminded me of watching WCW Saturday night on TBS o.k. maybe Clash of the Champions on TBS. There were two things that interested me #1. The dancers they are hot but they were trying to shake there asses like black or spanish chicks and it is not really working to well. The other is this Raven's ClockWork Orange House of Fun Match. I know it will be gay but it might be worth the ten bucks just to see how gay. I don't know maybe I am an arrogant, selfish , Yankee bastard but NWA reminds me of a BBQ I once attended in Texas , a bunch of drunken rednecks who think they are tough. Oh yeah people talk about Hogan and Flair being to old, But I saw Dusty Rhodes and VADER in a match and they won come on how old are them to fat bastards. Maybe I was brain washed buy Vince McMahon. I just think the WWE has nothing to worry about when it comes to competion from N.W.A. T.N.A.

[travis151]

That was funny

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[HAMMERHEAD]

Nikita Koloff, Rock & Roll Express, Dusty Rhodes, Big Fat Vader, fucking Tony Schivanoe holy jesus please tell me there kidding.