are you preoccupied with death?

[Johnathan H Christ]

cause lately i have been. my own death. NO I DONT WANT TO DIE. its not that kind of preoccupation. i'm just stuck lately on the thought that everything eventually has to die, and that includes you, me, plankton, mold...everything. i wonder sometimes how it will happen to me. not that it really matters, cause when it's your time you go, and it doesnt matter to you once your gone. kind of depressing till you remember that you do get to enjoy life while you're here. so i do...vigorously. i just wondered if other people get stuck like i have been lately.

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[Fallon]

I'm more worried about people I love dying. If I die, then I die. But I don't know how I'll handle a death of a loved one. My grandfather is the only person I've ever known who's died, and it was expected because he was old.

Now I'm bummed out.

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[Johnathan H Christ]

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[HordeKing1]

DRTYLUV - The term you used "preoccupied with death" concerns me.

Although you stress that you don't want to die, your preoccupation is focused on your death. Have you experienced any change in sleeping patterns? gained or lost weight; lost interest in doing things you usually like; find that you lack motivation or focus? feel enervated? (lacking in energy). Perhaps this preoccupation is a manifestation of a depressive or dysthemic state.

On the other hand, many people wonder how they will die and when. It can be part of a normal curiosity or perhaps the beginings of a philisophical and or intellectual quest to arrive at an answer that makes sense to you as to what you believe happens when you die.

It seems that you've already recognized that although these thoughts can be "kind of depressing," they serve to remind you "to enjoy life while you're here." You say you do, "vigerously." Seems to me that you're heading in the right direction.

Please PM me if you have any of the other symptoms I mentioned above or have been feeling "weird" or "not like yourself" in other respects.



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[Johnathan H Christ]

The term you used "preoccupied with death" concerns me.

i was afraid someone would take that the wrong way. thats why i tried to clarify that i'm not depressed, and am no more crazy than the next guy. these questions that i suppose everyone has about death are the kind that are easily answered for people who have a set religion, but i dont believe organised religion is worth much. for those of us who can admit they dont really know if there is anything after life...i guess you have to spend some time thinking about it. but because of the reality that i dont know if there is anything else beyond this life..i could never kill myself. i'm much too stuck on the goofy shit that goes on in this world. life is pretty damn entertaining.

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[bisqit999]

I'm more worried about people I love dying. If I die, then I die. But I don't know how I'll handle a death of a loved one.


I too have never had anyone close to me die. No friends, or family that are close to me have died. I don't really know how I'd handle it. I know I will have to someday though.

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[HordeKing1]

DirtyLuv - I was verifying the nature of your query.

As you might know, I'm a atheist. As such I believe that when you die, you die, that's it. Once dead you're past feeling. However, your loved ones grieve. It is for them that we honor the dead and pay our respects.

We have a short life, live it to the fullest.


I agree that those able to sustain a belief in religious mythology have an easier time dealing with death, b/c they believe that death isn't the end. The more skeptical must rely on their own strengths and mind to find their purpose in life.

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[Cookie]

wrong, Horde King! There is an afterlife. I have had signs from loved ones that they are alive in a different dimension. There are scientific changes that happen to your soul and body at the moment of death. They are on a faster frequency than us, such as a washing machine on a spin cycle. But it's cool. I'm no missionary. Just agree with me all the time and we'll be fine.

[Jennitalia]

i think about it sometimes. i'd like to think that there's something else after death, that i'd be re-united with people that were close to me and are dead now, but i have a feeling it ain't going to happen. sometimes i cant wait for it to happen. when i get into my moods, i feel i'm such a waste of life and would be better off dead. but then i worry about who will take care of my cats.

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[Cookie]

even though there is scientific evidence for life after death, doesn't mean you shouldn't value this life. This life is made to be lived fully and shouldn't be taken for granted. When the time to die comes naturally, you'll be eased into the afterlife. But you shouldn't dwell too much about death. Think about this life and staying here.

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We have a short life


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[Cookie]

just joking horde king when I said agree with me all the time! I felt the need to tell you that. (So screwed up).

[HordeKing1]

De nada.

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[hackbenjamin]

I too have thought a lot about life death and the afterlife, and arrived at pretty much the same conclusion as Horde King, what i'm wondering is is what is cookie's scientific evidence showing that something as abstract as the soul undergoes documented changes?

[ShelleBink]

i have a preoccupation with death. i never really noticed it til people pointed it out to me though. but lately i've been trying to think happier thoughts.

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[HordeKing1]

No one has been able to prove the existence of a "soul," excepting the kind that's served with a wedge of lemon, or performed by the Beatles.

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[Gvac]

To be perfectly honest, I don't think about my own death all that often. When a close friend or relative dies, it does serve as a brutal reminder of our mortality, though.

I can't see the logic in worrying about something that is inescapable, but I do try to enjoy my time here as much as possible.

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[McNabbShouldDie]

The whole thought of what happens when you die scares the shizzle out of me.

One time when i was in 3rd grade I started thinking alot about death and what happens when you die. I got real upset about it too. I kept thinking about what happens when you die, like is it just nothing-ness for the rest of eternity. Is there a life after death, and im not talking about your body decomposing and a worm eating it, then a bird eating that worm with ur "soul" in it. I mean like, an interactive place in Heaven where all the dead can chill and stuff. Its so damn freaky, i got scared just thinking about it.

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[ShelleBink]

One time when i was in 3rd grade I started thinking alot about death and what happens when you die. I got real upset about it too. I kept thinking about what happens when you die, like is it just nothing-ness for the rest of eternity. Is there a life after death, and im not talking about your body decomposing and a worm eating it, then a bird eating that worm with ur "soul" in it. I mean like, an interactive place in Heaven where all the dead can chill and stuff. Its so damn freaky, i got scared just thinking about it.

I had a similar experience when I was about 6 years old. I sat up all night just freaked out coz I didn't know when I was gonna die. And I still remember that awful night. Ugh. I suck.

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[walking joint]

i fear people i love dying before me more also. i know life goes on without them, but right now it just doesn't seem possible. i just don't want to go through the pain of losing someone over and over again.

[Iamnotatool]

In my family, the men die right around the age of 50. When my dad had 'the talk' with me about birds bees and other uncomfortable situations, he gave me the best advice I ever got. Life's a game, if you reach 50, you win, anything after that is overtime.

Granted, not everyone has my low life expectancy. Fuck it, its death, and its coming, eventually. Life life today to the fullest, so by the time you die, you are really really tired, and its more like taking a looooong nap.

Please don't hold my huge nutbag against me, or I'll hold it against you that you have flapjack tits...

[DJEvelEd]

Ha Ha There's no such thing. I'm just a bunch of waves and atoms constantly reorganizing. What YOU may percieve as my death is actually me moving on, doing whatever I want...SeeYaaaaa

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[Christy]

I hate to bore you guys with my mother's death, but since that has happened I am not scared of death. I am scared about the way I will die. Probably a long drawn out illness ... full of pain! UGH!

I always think about death. I love autopsy shows too! Love them!

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[Johnathan H Christ]

so if there are six billion ways to die..... which one would you choose. i've already established that i could never kill myself (not while there are still so many cute people to make out with). but if i was going to kill myself, this is the sure fire way. i 'd like to be instantly turned into antimatter. total deatomization. i wonder if that would make a mess? anyway, how would you do it?

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[Cookie]

I have my own proof. I know there is an afterlife. Read James Van Prague, "Talking from Heaven". (especially when he talks about how you can feel the energy threads of your body loosening at the time of death. Your body changes into an erethral body which shoots into the astral land. (not astroland). ((The lower level of this dimension. ) Read the works of Gary Zukav. (genius.) These psychics like John Edwards, are not frauds. Why does everybody dream about going thru a tunnel during a clinically dead experience? Why do they all have the same dream of going thru a tunnel? What are the odds having the same dream?

[HordeKing1]

I know there is an afterlife. Read James Van Prague, "Talking from Heaven". (especially when he talks about how you can feel the energy threads of your body loosening at the time of death. Your body changes into an erethral body which shoots into the astral land.

Just how often has the esteemed Mr Prague experienced the "loosening" of his energy threads at death? How often has his ethereal essence gone to the astral plane? Perhaps he's died a few times and is an expert?


Why does everybody dream about going thru a tunnel during a clinically dead experience? Why do they all have the same dream of going thru a tunnel?

The vast majority of those pronounced dead who are later revived do not experience anything of the sort. It is a small number of people who received lots of media hype b/c of the public's overwhelming need to believe in eternal life.

As for the common symptoms, one of the first things that happens when a person dies is that his brain begins to degenerate. Macular degeneration occurs as well. The "long white tunnel" is easily explained knowing a bit about the death process. Finally, these people report a feeling of peace and acceptance. It's the brain, releasing endorphins to try to keep itself going a few more moments and to shield itself from the certainty that once dead, it is no more.

The majority of the world believes in a heaven and hell. But it's just that a belief. There simply is no proof.


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[Cookie]

Horde King, many nurses and volunteers who work at hospices have stated that while witnessing death, they were amazed to see a white mist rising from the dying patient. There was an article in the New York Post that stated that doctors now believe the mind can exist outside the body. How do you know the majority do not see a tunnel? Even if many but not all have the same hallucination of a tunnel, it is still unusual. Why do all the well known psychics believe in the same concept; that this world is a learning school and when we die we go where we came from, we go home. We are souls. We go to a solid world, just like this one.

[HordeKing1]

Psychics are charlattans. They have no magical power. The only magic that exists is in works of fiction. As fun as it is to read about wizards like Gandalf, they are just characters meant to amuse us.

Only a small percentage of people declared dead report experiencing what you describe. But even if we were to argue for a moment that it was universal to everyone who died, the best explanation is still rooted in science; it's all part of the death process and has nothing to do with anything "supernatural"

Faith gives a lot of people focus and meaning. It's terrific if it works for you in that way. But it's faith not fact. Throughout human history no one has been able to prove or disprove the existence of god, a soul or anything supernatural.

People consider the evidence, compare it with what religious instruction they've been indoctrinated with and choose for themselves what they place their faith in.

I'd be curious to see that article you referred to. I vaugely remember it, but I recall it in a different context.

And I'd definitely stay away from hospitals that are so dusty! You'd figure that people besides nurses would notice if a plume of smoke arose when someone died. :)

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[FUNKMAN]

i kind of get pre-occupied sometimes with figuring out how not to die, like:

staying off motorcycles
staying out of helicopters
not drive too fast
wear seatbelt
get a physical at least every 2 years
don't play with guns
don't go bungie jumping
don't pull any JACKASS stunts
no mountain climbing

stuff like that....

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[Cookie]

okay.

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[Johnathan H Christ]

Why does everybody dream about going thru a tunnel during a clinically dead experience? if i'm not mistaken (and please correct me if you know otherwise) but i think at the time of death, one of the chemicals the brain releases is DMT....i do know that it does exist naturally in the brain (and it is to say the least, as one who's smoked it) a POWERFUL HALLUCINOGEN. what you see when this is in your head is really anyones guess. to quote john travolta in the classic film Look Who's Talking Too
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[erole]

i dont believe organised religion is worth much
just keep in mind that religion doesn't have to be organized, it can be personal too. and that the word religion has been thrown about so much that you need to pick the right definition of it.

ahhhh...the burden of proof. what's out there? beyond? there are certain ideas in humankind's collective consciousness like "soul" "heaven" "God" ... some explain that these are ideas conjured up to explain the unexplainable, and to try to control the uncontrollable until science came along, and explained and controlled everything.
there seems to be a burden of proof on the idea of a soul and the idea of the afterlife. but, there is also a burden of proof in the other direction. it can not explain everything in earthly facts and sciences. it can not explain dark matter, or how Reperidol actually alters chemicals in the brain. it can not explain why the French are such morons. it can not describe what happens after death. it can say that nothing happens after death. but? where is the proof that nothing happens after death? it's an argument which creates circles on both ends.
what it all comes down to, is the idea of letting go of what you normally see. it is the idea of faith. the belief in something hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. it is a really hard idea for some, and to some others not even understandable. we all hope for things that have never occurred yet...think back to Christmas (or X-mas for the faith challenged) and hoping for a toy, hoping and hoping until you could almost touch it, you imagine playing with it...and you believed in that hope...or having a high school crush, hoping for that chance...or hoping the Cubs would win the world series - well OK, hope doesn't work there, but you get the idea.
the evidence in the unseen can be explained in feelings, love, joy, even sadness and pain. i looked into my child's eyes when she was born, and i was in love. that is unseen feeling which can be explained in human (soul-filled) terms.
now after death...i have faith that when i die, after my quick slumber, i will be allowed into heaven. erole can only explain this in terms that can not be used with science or numbers.
you can not measure megabytes with a pyrex container. you can not measure a microbe with a yard stick. you can't explain why a bumblebee can fly with physics alone. and you can not explain the afterlife in scientific terms measurements. those measurements are made with the heart.

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[HordeKing1]

Your argument in essence seems to be that although there's no proof of god, there's no proof that there's no god.

I don't follow the logic of this. It's like saying that there's no proof that space aliens aren't living inside the earths molten nickle core, directly affecting the course of human history and the evolution of the butterfly, so we must give equal weight to the possibility that they are there.

Belief is just that belief. It's not scientific, it's not rational, it cannot, by definition be proven. To give credibility to something based entirely on (probably psychotic) human superstition is more preposterous than the alien idea.

Just a few weeks ago, we verified scientifically and empiracally the age of the universe (13.7 billion years) the length of time it took the first stars to form (200 million years), the proportion of matter in the universe, and much more. (A big boost was given to the infaltion theory - although that's not conclusive yet). An open universe has been proven as well as the fact that the universe's expansion continues to accelerate. If our species survives another 100 years we'll have even more knowledge. As understanding grows, the need for God grows less every year. Perhaps we'll one day learn that our lives here are what is of value, and that every person is important in the here and now, not in some mythical future where they'll be rewarded for their piety in starving to death.

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[JiZ]

I have seen death up close and personal on several occasions. When I used to run with the wrong crowd, I used to belive that the day I die was already written down in some book. To me, waking up each day was the same as turning a page in that book. Though I no longer spend each day waiting to see if i'm going to die, I can honestly say death means nothing to me. I've come face to face with it death before

I only remember two kisses - the first and the last. The first, with my love and the last, with death. The first brought happiness and the last relief!
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Death is not extinguishing the light; it is putting out the lamp because dawn has come.
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For in that sleep of death, what dreams may come.
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[DarkHippie]

Not at all. I'm very at peace with death. I've never been sad at any funeral I've been too. I don't know, I usually feel happy for the deceased. It's awkward, If its a family member, i have to fake my sorrow.

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[HordeKing1]

The idea of death doesn't frighten me, b/c once you're dead you're past awareness.

However, I always feel sad at funerals, even those of relative strangers. It's not a sadness for the deceased, but rather a sadness for the survivors who have to acclimate to a world w/o their loved ones.

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[Cookie]

Horde King, I agree we are suffering sometimes more than the dead. I think you have a desire not to believe and ignore the bits of proof I have described above. I think you associate all this talk about afterlife and God, with organized religions, cults, moonies, vegans, etc. I also believe there is a fine line in believing and crossing over into the above mentioned. I'm not into any cults. I like steak, and am not a plant person. But it is a fact we will die, and there are signs, and bits of proof we have chosen to ignore, to support the notion of life after death. I suspect even the word heaven sounds like organized religion and turns you off. When I talk I'm not coming from there. Well, believe what you want.

[HordeKing1]

COOKIE - It's quite OK for you and others to believe in god. For many it provides comfort that they could not otherwise gain.

As far as a desire not to believe, just the opposite. I'd love to believe again. It's nice to have the crutch of god to fall back on. But all my education, intellect, guts and conversations with people of different religious beliefs have led me to the inescapable conslusion that religion is an adaptive coping mechanism for dealing with our insignificance and transient nature.

Belief in god itself is not bad, but organized religion has been responsible for more human misery than any other concept. It has also done more to hold back human achievement and accomplishment than anything else.

I haven't seen any "proof" offered by you or anyone else that cannot be explained in rational terms w/o relying on any supernatural entities.

By the way, I wasn't referring to "moonies" or "heaven's gate" or any other specific cult, but when you boil it down, all religions can be described in terms of a cult.

Also, veganism, isn't a religion.

I hope that your belief gives you comfort when you need it and that it continues to help you in times of need.

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[Cookie]

There is so much suffering in this world, you would be crazy not to question this afterlife subject. But just like you feel in you gut there is no pot at the end of this crappy life, I feel in my gut there is. I have had too many signs. But sometimes I doubt too. There are so many people with so many opinions and beliefs, I too say, fuck this! But the important thing is, there is one truth. I think I have given you some bits of proof that need to be studied. I couldn't get comfort out of something I felt in my gut was a crutch. ( by the way, what is this little voice in all of us that want people to agree with us all the time, even though we always say, it's cool, I respect your opinion? This should be a topic.) On second thought, I don't care if you agree with me. (I really don't when it comes to this subject). I guess I don't like the term "if it gives you comfort", like I don't have a brain.
I don't want to talk about this anymore.


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[Cookie]

Stop that applause. See ya!

[HordeKing1]

I didn't mean to offend by the words "If it gives you comfort." Most human behavior is based on similar principles. We do things b/c they give us some benefit.

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[Cookie]

Okay! You gotta belieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeve!