DC Callers' Politics

[daveb]

Why is it that whenever R&F start to talk politics, the show seems to be dominated by ultraconservative callers? Is this reflexive of the political opinions of DC/VA/MD residents or is it just that these crackpots are the only ones calling the show? I was listening to some of the discussion about that D-III basketball player and was just shocked by how ignorant and stupid some of the callers are. Not to mention Rory and Billy Staples. "If you don't like this country why don't you just leave?" and other gems. Where are all the reasonable callers? Don't let this turn into Rush Limbaugh!

[CruelCircus]

Well, let's see... in your post, you refer to the callers whose opinions you disagreed with as crackpots, ignorant, stupid, and (in effect) unreasonable. Not very open-minded of you.

Seems to me it wouldn't take much to be labelled "ultra-conservative" in your book. We all like to think that the things we believe are rightly shared by the masses, but someone has to be "out there." Maybe it's not these crackpots who are ultra- anything... maybe it's you.



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[Dirtybird11]

ugh.

even I miss the NY/NJ callers.
cant u yankees still call?,,PLEASE!!

if i hear one more "welcome to dc Ron and Fez"
im going to puke.
We are all stoked that Ron & Fez are in DC.
but ok... we get it...



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[Bestinshow]

Typical Liberal point of view. Everybody that disagrees is a moran. If you guys are so smart why is your party in shambles?

[TheMojoPin]

I actually was thinking we were getting MORE "liberal" callers than they ever had in NYC...I think there's definitely been more black callers in the last couple months than in several years on WNEW...

And a lot of them seem to fall in that middling, "yeah, you SHOULD have free speech and be able to protest what you want...but DON'T" mentality that makes NO sense whatsoever.

But yeah, Billy and Rory are getting scary. But I always enjoy the political stuff because it gives Ron and a chance to smack the both of them down. Last night I was ready for him to bring back ye olde cart-bath.

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[Bestinshow]

there is nothing wrong with disagreeing with the president and there is nothing wrong with disagreeing with the government but you should never ever disagree with the flag

[TheMojoPin]

there is nothing wrong with disagreeing with the president and there is nothing wrong with disagreeing with the government but you should never ever disagree with the flag

"Abortions for some...little American flags for others!!!"

Man, people have some weird, weird priorities.

How can you disagree with a flag? Unless the flag can somehow say "fuck you and your cunt of a mother, pigfucker", I really don't see a need to disagree with something that can't talk, think, or formulate an opinion of its own. Unless the flag is actually somehow related to THIS guy...

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[Knowledged_one]

i think he means with what the flag stands for and the people who died protecting it

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[UnknownPD]

My favorite part of the story is Toni's (anti flag chicks) beef with the unfair American Government. Yup, the same one that under Title IX mandates that schools provide equal funding for female sports programs as it does male. (Can anyone say field hockey) The one that is giving her an education at a state supported school. The one that provides welfare, food stamps, medicaid and the earned income credit. The one that admits more minority immigrants each year than any country on the planet and oh yeah the one that will not lock up her family because she disagrees with it.
Yup, this girl has a definite beef and I for one support her! Bad, bad flag

[TheMojoPin]

i think he means with what the flag stands for and the people who died protecting it

People don't die for a flag.

People die for their country.

She apparently doesn't like what the flag is being used to stand for now. Personally, I think she's being a petty little snot about it. But ultimately, I couldn't care less.

How is this hindering your ability to go about your daily life? Because mine still seems pretty uneventful...I'll keep you posted when the ground flips upside down and the sky turns purple.

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[Fez Poo]

If we don't want this to turn into Rush Limbaugh, Ron should stop shoving his leftist politics down our throats.

Plus, his arguments don't even make sense. He says that if this girl should go to another country, shouldn't the people that didnt agree with Clinton go too.

Hello Ron, they didnt like the President, they didnt turn their back on the flag. Theres a difference.

Hey, I'm a huge fan of the show, I don't mind the occasional political segments, but they're doing them every show for 2 hours. They don't allow the guys to be funny at all.

And Ron wants the President to debate Saddam, that is dumb, what can we get from it?

Plus, compare this with a debate from last week, Ron says that the Rebel flag shouldn't be put up in GA even if the majority vote for it because it would offend a minority of people. How about the huge majority of people that are offended by this bitch thats disrespecting the country. The flag represents the country, not the government.
Liberals are such hippocrates.

Instead, how about more wrestling segments, I loved the Friday segment on wrestling. It was great, informative and hilarious. Fez saw NWA, then he should talk more about it, along with WWE, which I'm not a big fan of.



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[Stalker Patti]

I believe in the freedom of Speech and the right to form your own ideas and opinions on any issue. That why our Country is ruled under a Democracy!

[UnknownPD]

Stalker Patty has spoken. All others please leave the building

[livin78]

Poor you Perrynoid having to hear people welcome Ron and Fez to DC, but still hearing hours of awesome radio. I hope they make it back to NY and will gladly sit through a year of welcome backs to hear the boys again.

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[MrMarcus]

People didn't die for the flag or the country. They died for the ideals of freedom which include a person's right to dissent. It's unAmerican to believe in depriving a person's right to dissent.
Without dissent, we're nothing.

[Gvac]

People didn't die for the flag or the country. They died for the ideals of freedom which include a person's right to dissent.
And what exactly do you think the flag represents? It's an embodiment of the ideals this country was founded upon. If you disagree with the current state of the country, of course you should voice your displeasure. However, dishonoring the flag is dishonoring the very concepts the founding fathers envisioned for America.

There's a seperate thread for this topic, though, so let's keep this one on track. Not having had the pleasure to hear any of the D.C. shows, I can't speak about the callers, but I'm shocked to hear that there's a lot of conservatives in DC of all places.

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[A.J.]

but I'm shocked to hear that there's a lot of conservatives in DC of all places.


Northern Virginia, yes. DC, no.

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[TheMojoPin]

Plus, compare this with a debate from last week, Ron says that the Rebel flag shouldn't be put up in GA even if the majority vote for it because it would offend a minority of people.

No, he said they shouldn't "officially" fly it above the state capitol building. He also went out of his way that it did NOT mean people couldn't fly it in their own homes or on their clothes on their cars. His issue is simply with it being flown as part of the state flag.

And what exactly is being shoved down your throat? Turn the dial or hit the "off" switch. Rush Limbaugh and his ilk don't annoy me on a daily basis because I simply don't listen to them.

And dishonoring the flag is just that...dishonoring a flag. The flag means different things to everybody. It's basically a logo for America. It's not the Bill of Rights or the Constitution...it's an advertisment you string up a pole. My faith is in my nation and those who live in it and lead it...not a piece of cloth that can be used by the wrong people to champion the wrong things. This young woman may be going out to make a scene, but she has yet to impede anyone's right to fly the flag when and wherever they want, nor anyone's individual interpretations as to what it stands for.

The only misuse of the flag I can see now is it becoming yet another diversionary tactic by weekend patriots from issues that could actually effect our lives.

Now I'm done.

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[Fez Poo]

No, he said they shouldn't "officially" fly it above the state capitol building. He also went out of his way that it did NOT mean people couldn't fly it in their own homes or on their clothes on their cars. His issue is simply with it being flown as part of the state flag.

But he said they shouldn't "officially" fly it out the state capital building because a minority of people would be offended. But we can't get mad with her even if the majorite of the country is really offended? Ron was belittling Billy and Rory's and all the caller's opinions that disagreeing with him.

And what exactly is being shoved down your throat? Turn the dial or hit the "off" switch. Rush Limbaugh and his ilk don't annoy me on a daily basis because I simply don't listen to them.

I told you, his leftist politics is being shoved down our throats. Another huge example tonight, he has on the anti-war guy on spewing propaganda without them challenging him, but will he ever have a pro-war guest on? I don't think so. They promote this virtual march and the callers get to talk about 30 seconds then the guest has the last word everytime and talks about as long as he wants.

And how come Iris, Andre or Kenny Allen didn't call in???!!! That's because Ron want us to change our minds to be against the President and gave this guest so much respect instead of giving us hilarity if Iris called.

Let me ask this: Ron says tonight the President doesn't debate Saddam because he's scared. Ok, how come Saddam doesn't debate me? I'll challenge him to a debate. Saddam won't debate me the same reason the President won't debate Saddam, its a waste of time and won't accomplish anything, but Ron just wants to trash the President as much as he can.

These long ASS political segments are not funny , are divisive and doesn't help to grow audience. Half the country doesn't even vote, so I doubt they would be interested in issues on the radio, and, I would say a majority of the callers usually oppose Ron's opinions, as the thread starter said. So they're alienating at least 75% of the potential audience right out of the box when they could be doing a "COMEDY PYRAMID COMEDY PYRAMID COMEDY PYRAMID" Actually, them talking about anything just about would be less boring than politics for 2 hours a night every night.

They gave the guest a 40 minute segment, then funny segments at the end of the shows were like 10 minutes! With 10 minutes of commecials at both ends.

Ron (to Fez): "what about that big fake D you ordered? I left you that"

[A.J.]

And how come Iris, Andre or Kenny Allen didn't call in???!!!


You know, I actually kept waiting for that to happen. I guess they need to get themselves 90 foot antennas like Heckler has.

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[TheMojoPin]

I too am getting VERY tired of the political segments, but there's a very simple argument against you disagreeing with Ron "forcing" his views down your throat...he does not have, nor ever will, have an obligation to present ANY point of view. It's only natural he's going to push HIS opinion on HIS show. Again, if you don't like it, don't listen. The clearest message in radio if you disagree with something is to turn it off. In the meantime, you have to realize that nowhere does it say what he has to talk about or he can have on the air. It's also a "new" show trying to appeal to a "new" area, and an area that's just very naturally political. There are quite a few conservative shows on here, but not really any with a "liberal" slant. The rest of the talk shows just cater to the "white trash" audience OUTSIDE of Northern VA and DC (Don & Mike, Sports Junkies, etc.)...this might actually be a very concious move on the show's part to appeal to a certain untapped segment of the population that can provide them with some decent ratings...ratings, that over EVERYTHING, are what's most important to a radio show. At this point, they're still letting callers who disagree call in and voice their opinion, so it's not like these people are being shut out. Of course Ron is going to dominate the air time since it's HIS show. A host's opinions are going to naturally bleed into his show, and this is obviously the biggest topic of the day, so why should he have to pretend he thinks differently, or mask his opinions and feelings?

And this is so far the only guest they've had on who is blatantly anti-war. I'm sure they had him on because it IS an interesting take on the issue, since he was a Gulf War veteran representing other veterans against the war, a suprisingly large group of people that most assume would be FOR the war.

As for the flag, again, it's his opinion. I think it shouldn't be flown on any government buildings because it represents the side that LOST the Civil War. You don't get to make the rules when you LOSE because you LOST. I also don't think that a state shouldn't go out of their way to fly a completely SEPERATE flag in addition to the actual state flag that offends a significant part of their population, even if it is technically a minority (And the minority we're talking here isn't really all that small). But that's just ME. In the meantime, it's still legal to fly it, Ron can't change that, so why the big deal? Again, if it bothers you so much, take action. Turn off the radio, call the station, call the show, and write the sponsors. If Ron's opinions are THAT insulting, by all means, take any action you can to keep him from expressing them. It's the "American" thing to do...right?

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[Bestinshow]

Some of these replies are a joke. The flag is a symbol of the country,nothing more or less. Turning your back on the flag is turning your back on the nation. You can protest against anything you want but protesting against the flag is protesting against the country itself. The flag doesn`t stand for individual ideas. It stands for the country as a whole. Stage your protests,leave the flag out of it.
And Ronny is one sided about his politics.He basically laughs at anything that is not radical liberalism.

[TheMojoPin]

And Ronny is one sided about his politics.He basically laughs at anything that is not radical liberalism.

Again, where does it say he has to be anything but?

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[Bestinshow]

Obviously he has the right to say what he wants. But lets just admit that that is what he is doing.
Also,the flag does not represent Bush or Clinton or Republican or Democratic. It represents the country that gives her the right to turn her back on it. and it represents the country that gives me the right to call her an ingrate. The same right Ron has to laugh at any idea that is remotely conservative.

[TheMojoPin]

Also,the flag does not represent Bush or Clinton or Republican or Democratic. It represents the country that gives her the right to turn her back on it.

But to a lot of people, it seems that the flag is often used by those who are in power at the moment to represent THEIR idea of America, and that leaves a lot of people feeling left out...the flag ends up representing a segment of the population that they may see as "against" them, instead of the united nation it's SUPPOSED to stand for. Like I've said, as much as you may not want it to, the flag means a lot of different things to a lot of different people...

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[RageCage]

but I'm shocked to hear that there's a lot of conservatives in DC of all places.


Northern Virginia, yes. DC, no.

Actually, northern Virginia is traditionally the only part of the state that votes democrat.



Kool and the mother fuckin gang.

[zha zha]

If there was no dissent in this country, people of color would still be considered to be 3/5ths of a person, women would still not be able to vote, and we would all still be saluting the British flag. I personally think there is alot of knee jerk conservative and liberal rhetoric out there. Ronnie has a great sarcastic way of expressing his opinions. Fezzie is a perfect foil. How many gay Republicans are there really, not many. He's an enigma within an enigma, and has a unique point of view that is a perfect foil for Ronnies more liberal opinions. I think the political discussions are very interesting on the show. Ronnie makes perfect sense when he makes his arguments. He's using a new thing called SARCASM for those of you who don't catch his drift. The DC callers don't seem to be anymore conservative then alot of the people from the NY area that post on this board. If anything, they seem to be more diverse racially speaking then they were in NY. There are alot of very amusing brothers who call, more than I remember in NY. Sure a few crackers slip in now and then. The welcome to DC thing is sometimes tedious but I think actually the DC callers are just culturally more polite than tri-state people. It's the south afterall. All those mint julips and demure southern belles. That's one of the great things about the NY callers that I miss so much though, we all have that NY edginess that seems not to be as prominent in DC. I kind of like the DC politeness though too, it's refreshing. Wish we could have both of course, the NY attitude and the DC aweshucks stuff. That would be an interesting mix, like it was when they were live in both cities for that short time before WNEW hosed everybody.





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[Death Metal Moe]

Liberal SUCK ASS!!

Maybe the Democratic party should pay for callers like it's going to pay for a Liberal radio network no one wants.

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[Bestinshow]

That is the most distorted view of the flag I have ever heard.I have never seen the government use the flag to represent any particular view. Only liberals claim it represents sectors.

[TheMojoPin]

Democrats aren't liberals.

That was just plain MEAN, Moe-mar.

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[A.J.]

Actually, northern Virginia is traditionally the only part of the state that votes democrat.

Well, that's partly true: Jim Moran's district (the 8th) is a safe Democratic seat. So are Bobby Scott's 3rd (Newport News) and Rick Boucher's 9th (the southwest part of VA).

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[zha zha]

By the way, all those little American flags that people are waving in protest to the girl who turns her back to the flag were made in China. Ironic n'est pas? My opinion is that she should use a more constructive, less incendiary way of expressing her dissatisfaction with this administrations' foreign policy. The flag is a potent emotional symbol to most people in this country and she alienates too many people who might otherwise listen to what she had to say. It's a cheap and punk-ass way of expressing her otherwise valid viewpoint. It can and is easily interpreted as being anti-American and in these times that is an unfortunate message to send. I totally agree that she has the right to express her unhappiness with the policies of this present administration, I just think there are less divisive ways for her to have done that. I personally could never turn my back on our flag even though I have predominantly liberal views myself, I love my country (with all it's flaws, it is still a great country of predominantly kind and inspiring and moral citizens) and don't want this war to happen if it at all possible to avoid it. I'm afraid of the repercussions, afraid of terrorist responses if we go it alone. And of course the French suck, can't we just put up a French flag at one of these public events just so we can all have the priviledge of turning our collective backs on their flag. Talk about hypocrites! They are the ones who sold Iraq it's very first nuclear reactor (which the Israelis were smart enough to blow to smithereens).

[RageCage]

Well, that's partly true: Jim Moran's district (the 8th) is a safe Democratic seat. So are Bobby Scott's 3rd (Newport News) and Rick Boucher's 9th (the southwest part of VA).


Thats why I said traditionally rather than currently. I was trying to point out that the politics of people who live in the areas closest to DC (Alexandria, Arlington, Fairfax) are many times opposite of the people in the rest of the state and the rest of the South. I've lived in northern Virginia for my whole life and almost all of the people I went to school with or have worked with are pretty liberal. I think that the show has gotten alot of calls from conservatives because liberals are less likely to call a radio show to talk politics. I'm just concerned that Ron and Fez are getting the wrong impression about their audience here.


Kool and the mother fuckin gang.

[erole]

Typical Liberal point of view. Everybody that
disagrees is a moran. If you guys are so smart why is
your party in shambles?


Don't use erin moran's name in vain like that.

Sorry to be so late catchin' up here...first, don't worry
about ron and fez getting the wrong idea about their
audience. from what I have seen, they are very adept
in keeping a strong fan base, and always have a good
read on the callers.
This American flag thing...democracy, freedom, it's an
idea. An idea starting in ancient Greek times and
passed to us. Born out of persecution, blood, and
bravery. This abstract idea of freedom needs a symbol.
Something concrete, something tangible, something
that can be seen. The flag is an ideal. We have more
freedoms in this country today than at any other time in
human history. No where else in time or place can you
find a more tolerant system, even tolerant of those
who dislike it and are vehemently against it. This flag,
this ideal...should be honored...it has gone beyond just
being a flag, beyond a symbol of our country...it is
hope, hope that there can be co-existance, peace,
freedom, and all the while evolving. Our country sucks
in a lot of areas, and we have a long, long ways to go.
We have a hypocritical government, made a slew of
mistakes that even today we are still making, created
our own enemies, our own wars and bloodshed. BUT,
it's the idea, and that idea manifests itself in the flag.
There is a lot of individualizing going on. Everyone
wants to adhere to their own truth, people don't like to
be told certain things, some people even like to bad
mouth just to mad mouth to be edgy or whatever the
hell is in their heads - all this everyone has the freedom
to do...BUT, the flag needs to be revered and honored.
Not as some sort of god icon, or a thing to be
worshiped, just simply honored and revered. For a
people to get behind the idea (which manifests itself in
the flag) and agree that it stands for just that - the
idea, would be in a word - beautiful. Seriously, what do
you think a person, living in poverty in some third world
country would choose to be their new home if they had
a choice? The thought that the person would get
would be a mental image of three colors, arranged in
stars and stripes. That flag wouldn't stand for anything
more than the idea of opportunity and freedom. And
that is what the flag stands for. The idea that rests in
the immigrants mind when contemplating the best
choice they can make.
And yes, there are a lot of dorks using the flag for their
own purpose, but we are all grown up here, and can
understand what they do when they do it. They are
Americans like you and me, and free...as long as they
do not burn it, desecrate it, or let it touch the ground, I
don't see a problem.
Yes I said don't touch the ground. As the flag stands
for an abstract thought, the flag should not touch the
ground to symbolize that the idea it stands for is above
us. It is a flawless idea, used by a flawed people, and
should be honored in that way.
And the confederate flag...dumb idea, even as a
bumper sticker. Just pig headed people, trying to make
a rabid wolf a domesticated pet.
I think that ron and fez have done their job, and done
it well. They have made people think, argue, and
grow...which is always a very good thing.


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[Gvac]

Thanks Erole, that's exactly what I was trying to say. If only I was so eloquent!

Good having you back, buddy.



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[Death Metal Moe]

Democrats aren't liberals.

That was just plain MEAN, Moe-mar.



The 2 terms are almost interchangable.

Deal with it.

I'm a Compassionate Conservative and people laugh at me, so I will laugh at your Moderate Democratic ass.

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[TheMojoPin]

so I will laugh at your Moderate Democratic ass.

Hey, I've only voted for 6 Democrats in the more than two dozen elections I've voted in. I CAN'T BE PINNED DOWN. LIVE IN FEAR.

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[Homerismyidol]

Part of the problem in today's politics is political name calling by both democrats and republicans. I generally fall more to the republican side, but I don't agree with them all the time. The majority of people in this country consider themselves independents, whether they lean a little left or right. Disagreement is part of the process and has to be respected, but a general disrespect for this country is the problem. I think we need to see what the flag back-turner's thoughts are in five years or so, after the Communist influence of today's college professors wear off a bit, and living in the real world comes into play. There are only two places where communism is still alive in this world and they are not North Korea and Cuba. They are in college faculties and on the lunatic fringe, AKA Hollywood.

Arguments can be made on both liberal and conservative positions on any political argument based on legitimate ideas. It's when the people that are competely out of touch get involved that the arguments make no sense. Ron is not some ultra-liberal. He's more liberal than I am, but he makes points that I can at least understand. I can disagree with him and still enjoy the show. A lively debate makes things interesting. Let's leave judging people for their ideas to the KGB and SS.

Oh that's right we crushed both those political ideas with our "flawed" system of having people dissenting on everything from affirmative action to taxes to war.

[high fly]

Typical Liberal point of view. Everybody that disagrees is a moran.

Ahem.
This is what's known as a 60 mph fastball, waist high, right over the plate.
Shit, it's just too easy some times.

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[shamus mcfitzy]

Ronnie doesn't necessarily defend liberal ideals. He was against Rory defending Palestine and that really pissed me off because he wasn't giving anyone a chance to defend Palestine without basically calling them stupid. I got mad at O and A for the same reasons. But, I still listened, because i didn't listen in order to hear a political talk show, i listened to hear the comical stylings of one Mr. Ron Bennington and one Ms. Fez Marie Whatley. So enjoy your comedy DC, ENJOY IT WHILE IT LASTS!!!!!!!!!!

[Bestinshow]

Having the chance to defend Palastine? Having the chance to defend a people whose strategy is admitedly to target innocent civilians? Or do you feel the people on those buses had it coming to them?I suppose you feel Hitler being defended is also a matter of opinion. Some things in life are cut and dried wrong!

[snooper]

The show is going down hill. I can barely listen to the political segments. The arguments of most of the callers are a complete joke. A girl turning her back on the flag should have her family thrown off of a burning building? Please. Since when has it become a stigma to read the new york times? Since when is being an intellectual somehow portrayed in a negative light? I'm sorry if my education has managed to creep passed the 8th grade level, but I refuse to accept the simplistic, grammatically incorrect and arrogant arguments that most of the callers (and our president) seem to favor on every topic. I'm not a bleeding heart liberal or a democrat. I am a person who is capable of at least some level of abstraction when considering an issue. It is mostly just sad to listen to the show. It is a reminder of how many people prefer to champion the most base and obvious appeals to human emotion rather than to logically consider and deal with issues in an elightened manner.

[Def Dave in SC]

the point of this thread is to discuss dc caller politics. the fact is most of the area is democratic, except for montgomery co. md, and a few districts in n. va. wjfk attracts the conservatives with talk like o'reilly (who claims to be independant. HA!) in mid day, and ignorant losers who listen to Don and Mike in afternoons. so the callers during ron and fez are nota representation of the dc area, politically.

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[Fez Poo]

the point of this thread is to discuss dc caller politics. the fact is most of the area is democratic, except for montgomery co. md, and a few districts in n. va. wjfk attracts the conservatives with talk like o'reilly (who claims to be independant. HA!) in mid day, and ignorant losers who listen to Don and Mike in afternoons. so the callers during ron and fez are nota representation of the dc area, politically.


I live in Montgomery County, its an east coast California here, full of limousine liberals. Remember, Kensington's the place that banned Santa Claus.

You say that most of the area is deomcrat, and that R&F callers represent that? So you're saying R&F callers are mostly democrat? Thats wrong

The rest of the talk shows just cater to the "white trash" audience OUTSIDE of Northern VA and DC (Don & Mike, Sports Junkies, etc.)


MojoPin, Sports Junkies do not cater to white trash, you ever hear "What the Brothas Be Sayin'?" And they did nothing except insult Cowboy Todd and white trash accents.

Trust me, HFS would not want a show that caters to white trash.

Ron: "what about that big fake d you sent away for? I left that"

[TheMojoPin]

Trust me, HFS would not want a show that caters to white trash.

The Junkies may not have tried for it, but they definitely attracted a MASSIVE white trash element. Trust ME, I went to a couple of the parties they threw, and it wasn't pretty...

And HFS wants nothing BUT white trash listening to them. How else do explain the non-stop barage of Creed, Linkin Park, Nickleback and Puddle of Mudd?

And Dave was saying that while much of this area are traditionally Democratic, the callers DON'T represent that.

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[Bestinshow]

You back the views of the times and you are not a bleeding heart liberal or a Democrat? Just because you swallowed a Thesaraus doesn`t make you an intellectual but that is the common misconception of many democrats.
Most liberals misconstrue their difference in opinion as "intelect" and infer everyone else is ignorant or "simplistic". Just because you completed the 8th grade doesn`t exempt you from being arrogant. No, the show isn`t going down the tubes. you are just not as smart as you think you are.

On another matter, listening to alternative rock doesn`t qualify someone as "white trash"

[Def Dave in SC]

You say that most of the area is deomcrat, and that R&F callers represent that? So you're saying R&F callers are mostly democrat? Thats wrong



im from montgomery county myself, and YES i do remeber kensington banning santa. and in many ways it is very, very, very liberal. But, it has a very high concentration of government workers who traditionally voted republican (Connie Morella) while the rest of the state has voted deomcratic (Parris Glendenning), but that flip flopped last year. The county is very liberal, but unlike most of the state, the republican party could always count on mont. co.s vote, so teh distrtict was redrawn.

ive got about 4 or 5 thoughts going at once, so please tear this argument apart if it doesnt make sense so i can clarify


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[TheMojoPin]

On another matter, listening to alternative rock doesn`t qualify someone as "white trash"

It does when it's only an alternative to "good" and "not sucking its own balls off."

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[Se7en]

I have to admit that the political segments are beginning to annoy me.

Perhaps I'm overly sensitive, but I don't think it's a stretch to say that Ron's politics fall a little to the left. So I, as a conservative, probably tire of his arguments quicker than most.

I too am getting VERY tired of the political segments, but there's a very simple argument against you disagreeing with Ron "forcing" his views down your throat...he does not have, nor ever will, have an obligation to present ANY point of view. It's only natural he's going to push HIS opinion on HIS show. Again, if you don't like it, don't listen


I haven't been.

Yes, it's Ronnie's show, and he can present any point of view he wants.

I have lately been exercising my own freedoms, and that has meant that a great deal over the past 2 - 3 weeks, I have quietly turned OFF Ron and Fez and just watched TV.

Despite Ron's empassioned remarks earlier on tonight's broadcast, and the fact that my reaction is perhaps somewhat selfish.......I'm sorry, I listen to R&F to laugh. Not to hear their political views. Which is not to say that the situation going on in the world / country isn't important, and that they shouldn't be talking about it - they should.

But frankly, after a long day of school, I'd rather turn on my radio and hear comedy pyramids than to listen to them talk about the upcoming war for an hour EVERY NIGHT. Maybe that's selfish, but that's just how I feel.

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I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know.

"I was here before the oceans turned black with life, and when the deserts are white with death I will remain."
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[samnyc]

Well that's because they're southerners ...

And thank God for those folks in DC. I was beginning to wonder if the whole nation was as screwed up as New York is with all these crazies who work day in and day out for Saddam Hussein, Yasser Arafat, and Osama bin Ladin.

I like the DC caller who suggest we turn the desert in the Middle East into glass!!

[snooper]

It's not the fact that I swallowed a thesaurus that makes me an intellectual - it's the MD and PhD degrees on my wall.

My goal is not to be arrogant but to address the issues in a logical way. I am for a difference in opinion. This is why I don't call the show complaining about everyone who has something to say which diverges from what I believe in the slightest.

My problem is not with the callers views per say. It is the fact that there is only one predominant view being expressed. When the show was in New York, there was at least some sense of plurality in the callers opinions. Now it seems that the subject is approached from only one angle.

Your attempts to insult me only demonstrate your ignorance and inabiltiy to communicate in a mature and evolved fashion. Don't cry because we don't agree. Don't try to call me a bleeding heart liberal. And don't throw a temper tantrum like a baby because I disagree with you. Grow up and and learn how to argue an issue without resorting to name calling.

[Fez Poo]

Se7en, right on bro. Thats what I said earlier in this thread. Ron addressed our complaints today a little, but I don't see why they have to do an hour or 2 on this topic when listeners listen for the comedy.

TheMojoPin, I went to some gatherings as well bro, and they weren't overpopulated with white trash at all. Granted, 1 was basically in Bethesda (Dave & Busters) and the other in Rockville. Also, did you hear how many brothas represented today on the phones when they were arguing about Kobe and Lennox Lewis, thats significant since I dont even think brothas would even know where HFS is on the dial if not for the Junks.

Def Dave, government workers are overwhelmingly liberal. And Connie was the 1 of the most liberal members of the House Republicans.

Ron: "what about that big fake d you sent away for? I left that"

[TheMojoPin]

I'm not saying the Junkies have nothing but "white trash" listeners...they just attract them. I don't really know why...I LIKE the Junks and their show...they just bring along some goons...

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[Bestinshow]

Oh, lets see who is the crying baby throwing the temper tantrum and calling names. Did we hurt the little fascists feelings by disagreeing with his opinion. I seem to have no trouble with my communication skills because your simple mind seemed to understand my points. As far as you calling the right ignorant, I believe that is where we came into this conversation. Maybe you want some sort of quota to balance out your point of view. You have no problem with people expressing their opinion unless the majority dissagree with you.
Actually, if you read anything other than leftist propaganda you would know that most Americans view Iraq as a threat. But in any case, it angers you because the majority of the listeners dissagree with you? Maybe they can see things you can`t. Maybe you are not as smart as that paper on your wall.

And back to my other subject, what crap music are you listening to that makes you a better class of person than alternative rock. Last I checked, there weren`t many trailer parks in Seattle. What classy music do you listen to?
Gangsta trash, R&B, Bubblegum pop, Old fart album rock. Actually most white trash probably listen to country. But I guess its all better than alternative. Yeah,right.

[TheMojoPin]

And back to my other subject, what crap music are you listening to that makes you a better class of person than alternative rock. Last I checked, there weren`t many trailer parks in Seattle.

It's not 1992 anymore.

Most of what passes for "alternative rock" these days are bands like Limp Bizkit Matchbox 20, Creed, Puddle of Mudd or Three Doors Down...watered down, dull, unimaginative southern rock bands with no bite whatsoever.

"Alternative rock" is a bastard, false label to begin with...but that aside, it hasn't been even remotely close to good in almost 10 years.

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[Bestinshow]

I definetly agree, Alternative rock is a shadow of itself from 10 years ago. I find myself only marginally interested in todays version compared to back than. Unfortunately that is the only modern rock that is even remotely worth listening to. Even though, that is why radio sucks now which is what makes the loss of R&F in NY so painfull. Thankfully the D.C. listeners are helping us through our pain. Regardless, most white trash live in trailer parks in the midwest and down south. They are more likely to be listening to Reba Mackintire than Limp Biskit.

[Bestinshow]

Uh, and Mojo, sorry for the acid in my original reply. I was still seething from my reply to that fascist. It was not directed at you.

[TheMojoPin]

My ire is directed only at the music, for it makes me feel sad.

But remember...you don't have to be poor or southern or in a trailer park to be white trash. It helps, but far too often, it's not the case...

I mean, anyone who wears a visor...

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[snooper]

1)do you need mama to come wipe your tears?

2)Im not angered in the least by your views. I'm happy that your passionate about your arguments.

3)If it makes you feel better to continue insulting my intelligence by all means continue to do so. Me and my simple mind will get back to practicing neurology. Just out of curiosity, what do you do for a living?

By the way - in Iraq - 100% of the people feel exactly the same according to the national news media. This was my only complaint, that more views were not being expressed - even if they are minority views. Take my words to mean anything you want. And you know what, you can even continue to put words in my mouth and speak for me. Perhaps it is not your powers of communication which are deficient but your ability to comprehentd the meaning of others which is lacking.

Since you seem to have disregarded everything I have said. I invite you to continue with the train of insults. Call me a fascist. Call me a moron. Call one of the most respected news publications in the world leftist propaganda. And while your busy calling everyone else out - sitting in your room alone listening to lenoard skinnard and ac-dc in your tattered 1990 G&R jean jacket reading the national Enquirer and waving your american flag at the computer screen as you type insults feverishly into your computer all the while weeping softly to yourself because no one will pay attention to you in any other aspect of your life - I'm going to withdraw from this useless endevor. I hope you can sleep better now.

[TheMojoPin]

lenoard skinnard

Is that the Leonard Skinnard who manages the Circle K down the highway, or Leonard Skinnard the accountant?

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ha - either or

i meant skynnard - my bad. it was a long day

[JerryTaker]

leftist fascist?

ok, everyone meet in the lobby for a refresher tour of the political wings....



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[snooper]

Exactly.

Look out - your knowledge of the political basics in the United States may get you branded a simpleton as well.

Maybe bestinshow should go get a dictonary and look up the meaning of the word. Or even swallow a thesarus. Or maybe you should pick up a copy of the times once in a while where they actully use multisyllabic words.

Maybe those papers on my wall are not so useless after all.

[Cookie]

There were many bits and things that I did not like when Ron & Fez were in New York, but I overlooked it, because I enjoyed the show in general. What's more important the way they make you laugh or their politics? Also, you can't tell Ron what to believe because it makes you happy. Would you really want him to be an ass-kisser? No, not Ron.

[Bestinshow]

Fascism- a political philosophy,movement or regime that exalts nation and race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation and FORCIBLE SUPPRESSION OF OPPOSITION. Kind of like wanting everyone to share your opinion.Or almost everyone in your case. Now do you want me to to define the right and the left. I understand your feeble mind. Evidently you have the problem with comprehension even if you do read hallmark cards. The name caller is calling me a name caller. You are the crying baby.Change your diaper. You are full of shit. Maybe you should brush up on your "Political basics" before you judge others. But maybe you can`t because you are a moran. Most people don`t share your opinion. And you are stupid enough to equate this with Iraq. We don`t have someone like yourself forcing your opinions down other peoples throats. These people choose their thoughts by free will. You are just happy if people call that agree with you. People don`t think like you, live with it. Yeah, your a brain surgeon. Maybe if you give yourself a labotomy.




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[snooper]

....forcible suppression or opposition? a dictator?

Very big words for a very small man. Nice try, but I don't think there was even a hint of this attitude in anything I said.

What exactly are you talking about? Are we crying in front of the computer waving our little American flag again? Come on now. Buck up little camper. Everythings going to be ok.

You should try hooked on phonics....it can really help you bring up that reading comprehension level to a third or even fourth grade level.


By the way - stop copying my analogies. Make up your own. Your the one who wanted this to be about derogatory remarks. You can at least be original.

You are quite pathetic - do you know that. By the way - "moran" is spelled with an "o." That is "moron." Remedial spelling lessons may also be indicated in your case.

Have a nice day. And keep up the good work -your making yourself look worse than I ever could! Me and my "moranic" brain have to get back to work.

hehe haha

[Bestinshow]

good comback potsy, or should I say snooper. Your desperate pathetic attempt to attack typos(By the way you had many or is "comprehendt" a word now.) is probably typical of you. If I have to spell it out for you, you obviously don`t understand what Fascist means. I won`t even begin to explain the relevance to our conversation. Obviously your mail order PHD isn`t in social science. But if the best you can do is "moron" well...good for you. I wouldn`t suggest that you argue politics anymore. You obviously didn`t acknowledge that you had no clue what fascist really meant. Even though many fascist dictators were right wing doesn`t mean that fascist is a rightist term. Or do I have to speak slower. Whether you admit that you are fascist or not, you are a shmuck. So go wipe your draws, crawl back in your hole with your child pornography and get out of my face.

[IrishAlkey]

Snooper, get the fuck over yourself.

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[TheMojoPin]

Alkey, get the fuck off of me. I can't breathe and it really stings.

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[snooper]

30 minutes in and not one other viewpoint....

I back our troops. I back our president now that the decision is made.

However, despite anyone's feelings towards me, the show or the world, it is strange that not one person calling has voiced any concern about the lack of UN support for this move. The lastest polls find 50% of Americans who support action without UN approval - leaving 50% who do not. Yet none call the show. How can this be?

I know that this may be labeled fascist or liberal and I'm willing to accept the beratement that goes along with returning to this issue.

Fascism- a political philosophy,movement or regime that exalts nation and race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation and FORCIBLE SUPPRESSION OF OPPOSITION.


I'm not arguing here for any type of centralized government or forcible suppression of anything and I'm not sure why you believe I am. I just don't understand why a large portion of the population is not represented in discussions held on the air.

Kind of like wanting everyone to share your opinion.

I don't want everyone to share my opinon. I claim to know what is the best course of action for our country. However, I'm sure that there is at least 1 person in DC who might lie on the other side of the fence. That is my only point. Not that anyone else should change their mind. Not that anyone else is wrong. Just that I'm sure that more than one idea on this topic exisits out there. Thats all I'm saying

Call me whatever names you please. I'm not going to get involved in that agian.

[snooper]

I claim to know what is the best course of action for our country

that was supposed to read:

I don't claim to know what is the best course of action for our country.

It's my typo - I apologize. Perhaps I am not as smart as I think I am.

take care everyone

[Bestinshow]

Very simply, the show attracts mostly conservative thinking people. Ron himself is not right wing. He would not allow the screeners to omitt callers by their point of view. This show obviously attracts people of a similar political thinking. Different polls also have been showing different results. I would imagine geography plays a part. However, don`t get caught up in an organization that has Libya in charge of Human rights and I believe Syria is in charge of disarmament. The UN has historically been anti-semetic and anti-US. We are not governed by the UN. We are governed by our constitution. Don`t forget,in the 1930`s the whole world wanted diplomacy for a man named Hitler. They thought force wasn`t necessary. The thought of war is scary but the very reason we are afraid to go to war is the reason we have to go to war. We are afraid of the repercussions of a terrorist state.

[snooper]

all good points.

[TheMojoPin]

I still don't know what I'm missing here. Sure, plenty of callers I guess could be considered "pro-war", but many of them are varying degrees of "pro-war"...some want to level the Middle East, some want to just go ahead with the Iraq invasion, some want to wait for UN support...and I also hear quite a few "anti-war" callers, all also of varying degree within that argument...it leans a little more to the "hawks", but they're hardly all the callers.

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