Are we fighting the wrong war?

[HBox]

Look at what North Korea just did:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/850567.asp?0cv=CA00 [edited for better article]

Look at what we are doing about it:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/east/03/09/nkorea.nuclear/index.html

[Superfriends announcer voice] MEANWHILE, IN IRAN: [/Superfriends announcer voice]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/09/iran.nuclear/index.html

So, why are we in Iraq? Should we take them all down? I'll give Bush credit, that Axis of Evil crap seems pretty true, but invading Iran and North Korea could costs hundreds of thousands of American lives. Is this the beginning of World War 3? Are we all doomed? Excuse while I start digging out my fallout shelter.......



This message was edited by HBox on 3-9-03 @ 11:27 PM

[HAMMERHEAD]

In my opion we are fighting the wrong war. First let me start by saying any war is wrong but I understand there is a time and a place for it. But it seems like now is not the time and Iraq is not the place. The biggest problem with the N. Korea situation is that Bush is afraid that if we start shit with the N.Korean's that China will get behind them, and that definateley would not be a good thing. China has over 1 billion ( in Dr. Evil voice) people and nuclear capability, not to mention a very strong military. The leader of N.Korea is just as bad as Saddam but Bush say's nothing and even more disturbing does nothing. I don't know that's just my opinion, who the hell am I.Love my country, Fear my goverment!!!


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Different situations must be delt with differently.

North Korea is a BIG problem but I think running in guns blazing is the WRONG thing to do and the Bush administration knows that.

As for Iraq, that has already been decided it would seem and I trust our troops will win. I also think it is the right thing to do considering the world climate of Terrorism.

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[FiveB247]

It's not fighting the wrong war.....it's bad diplomacy. North Korea is continuing to act in defiance and the US wants the international community to deal with it, not just the US one on one. I can understand the US's position, but I believe they need to step up to the table in order to put a stop to a growing threat in NK before it gets more out of hand.

[TheMojoPin]

I just go with my gut instincts.

I've never felt threatened by Iraq for an instant.

But North Korea freaks the piss outta me.

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iraq doesnt scare you? thats because their name isnt stamped on the 20 years of global terrorism - - but its there in the background.
A senior aid spoke last night on the news about Korea and said that with Iraq - no one wants to do anything about it, because they know that America is the primary target of iraqs hate.
But with Korea - its an ASIAN problem first..so we can take a secondary role (for a change) and see what other countries in that region want to do. Korea is a threat to other countries before the US.

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because they know that America is the primary target of iraqs hate.

Nah, that's Israel.

I don't get where it suddenly became "obvious" that Saddam would directly attack US. For years his most direct threats have been against his neighbors and especially Israel. Sure, he's got no love for us, but he knows he can't do dick.

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[jratt]

I just go with my gut instincts.

I've never felt threatened by Iraq for an instant.

But North Korea freaks the piss outta me.



I could not agree more.
they scare the shit out of me and that is just the stuff we know about could you imagine all the things we have not heard....i have a feeling in 10 years we will hear how close we where to a nucluar war with N K

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[FiveB247]

Actually that's very untrue. North Korea is willing and has sold weapons to any buyer, including groups and organizations (terrorists). Not to mention they keep becoming more aggressive and defiant with the US not wanting to talk to them directly. They have nukes with capabilities of reaching the continental US. As well as are in the process of creating more.

On the other hand, Iraq is a problem regarding the overall stability to the Middle East as well as our oil interests in the area. Iraq can not hit the US continent with weapons. It is known that Iraq had its nuclear program shut down by inspectors in 94'. As per the item if they have since restarted such programs, it hasn't been proven or founded as of yet. Terrorist ties are not fully proven either in Iraq's case.

North Korea is and will be a growing threat until the US sits down with them. They do not fear war cause they already know the US does not want to go to war in this scenario.

In case anyone didn't hear either...Iran is much further ahead of their nuclear program as well. It really is beginning to become a scary situation with many hostile, anti-American nations holding such weaponry. Hopefully things will be nipped in the bud before they get out of hand. If not...Then we're all f'ed.

[Cannon]

N. Korea right now is kinda like the person that will do nutty stuff to get attention when everyone is focused on someone else.

the Deal with N. Korea is that they are looking for ways to get money from us, and are using all this Nuclear scare tactics to force Washington to give in like we did under Clinton to them. Thats why they dont want to talk to us thru the UN.

While they are making somewhat dangerous and downright sacry overtures, their bark is much worse than their bite. If the US holds off for a bit, they will start to implode like the former Soviet Union, and then we can contain them both diplomatically and militarily then.

China does not want Korea to have Nukes, so i'm not as worried about them backing them if it did come down to some sort of military showdown between US and N.Korea.

So while it sounds on paper like N. Korea is a bigger threat, in the big picture, it's alot of smoke and mirrors compared to the fact that Iraq still has after 12 years hundreds of as -yet-unaccounted-for WMD's

[A.J.]

In case anyone didn't hear either...Iran is much further ahead of their nuclear program as well.


I'm glad to see someone else has mentioned Iran. If Hussein is removed, watch for Iran to flex its muscle in the region.

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I refuse to buy the Wolf ticket North Korea is selling. They really don't want a real nuclear escalation in the region. They are broke and starving. They are just uding the same tactics that got them the Framework Agreement that they violated, they picked the wrong POTUS to do it with, but they are using what has gotten them to where they are now.They know the US won't attack them unless they make an attempt to move across the DMZ with aggressive intent.

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[HBox]

There is one big difference between North Korea and Iraq: North Korea has a highly trained and very large army. The rest of the country might suffer, but their army is doing fine. If they invaded South korea and we did not intervene, they would likely win. And there is one big advantage they have: the country is very small. If they launched a nuke at the west coast we would not neccessarily be able to nuke them back. Fallout would probably spread to South Korea and China, not to mention poisoning the ocean. But the point in all of this is that Iraq could not do anything to us even if it wanted to. North Korea has the means to hurts us, and to completely ignore them is making things worse.

[A.J.]

North Korea has the means to hurts us, and to completely ignore them is making things worse.

I don't think we're ignoring them at all -- and for the very reasons you mentioned in your post.

For over 50 years, U.S. policy towards North Korea has been containment. Since Kim Il Sung preached "self-reliance" for North Korea, it has pretty much isolated itself from the rest of the world. So keeping them in check has been relatively "easy" since they haven't been overly agressive like Iraq has been

North Korea is already a nuclear state...but Iraq is an aspirant. As the experts say, "the nuclear genie is out of the bottle" with North Korea so containment is still a practical policy. With Iraq, preventing them from getting the capability has been the policy. This was the motive behind the Israeli attack on the Osiraq reactor in 1981 as well as President Bush's desire for regime change in Iraq now.

As I've stated several times now, I worry about Iran becoming a nuclear state. I'm curious to see how we deal with that in a post-Saddam Middle East.

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[CaptClown]

The only things keeping North Korea from attacking are Fear of a US nuclear retaliation and bubblegum. And they are all out of bubblegum. I don't think anyone would care about radioactive fallout and pollution after the West Coast is it. If Nort Korea were to actually launch a nuke at the US, the US would do it's level best to make South Korea an island.

This message was edited by CaptClown on 3-10-03 @ 3:15 PM

[travis151]

Yes the U.S. has to deal with the situations in both N. Korea and Iran. First they have to finish what we started in Iraq you just can't split your objectves just like that let the government do what they have to do first in Iraq then on to N. Korea. No their will not be a war in the Koreas because all N. Korea wants is economic aid, yes they were insulted by what was said by Pres. Bush by calling them part of the Axis of Evil. Which I agree that was a mistake by Bush but at the time nobody including myself would of thought different. With a coalition of the right governments involved with N. Korea this situation can and will be dissolved. China , Japan, S. Korea, And Russia also Australia must make a stand against these threats of a nuclear situation. Cooler heads will prevail but not now we can talk with N. Korea on a more direct approach after we deal with Iraq until then countries like Russia and China should stall the situation. It was also wrong to call Iran part of the Axis of Evil, yes they have to fight against terroism with the rest of the world but Iran has come a long way since the 80's and their people and government have grown also. For now Iraq comes first then N. Korea simple as that. It's all about money never forget that . Once N. Korea gets financial aid they will agree to disarm their nuclear program having a nuke these days is like having a ace in the hole.

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[GaryWyze]

<font color=purple>Part of the reason we're going to war with Iraq is to prevent them from becoming another North Korea.... only worse.

N.K. is a problem, but mostly they're just trying to get our attention. The standard of living there is below that of most 3rd world nations. They're hoping that we'll be willing to trade economic aid in exchange for a halt to their nuclear program.

And we probably will.

Iraq is an entirely different animal. Nukes to them ain't a bargaining chip, but rather a new toy to play with (and you can bet your ass they will).

[Bigden]

I think that Iran is a very bizarre siuation as opposed to Iraq. The country is led by a religious council, yet they actually have an economy that seems to chug along just fine. I know the government is ruthless, but recently they have been freeing dissidents, once unheard of.
One thing that might happen with a liberated Iraq is a Democratic Iran, now that would be interesting.

[Dirtybird11]

Are we fighting the wrong war?


yes.

there is NO right war.

just cuz we may HAVE to get funky and start dropping bombs doesnt mean it's right.
nothing is right about sending kids to kill other people.
but what do i know.

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We're going into Iraq cuz we're jealous of the Isrealis and want a California-sized West Bank of our own.

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I gotta say,

You were right.


I was wrong-Hopefully never again about something as important as this has been.

[Yerdaddy]

I'm glad to see someone else has mentioned Iran. If Hussein is removed, watch for Iran to flex its muscle in the region.

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[scottinnj]

I refuse to buy the Wolf ticket North Korea is selling. They really don't want a real nuclear escalation in the region. They are broke and starving. They are just uding the same tactics that got them the Framework Agreement that they violated, they picked the wrong POTUS to do it with, but they are using what has gotten them to where they are now.They know the US won't attack them unless they make an attempt to move across the DMZ with aggressive intent.

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You may have been right. N. Korea is announcing that they are shutting down their reactor. Hopefully the talks have been fruitful, and that the original deal brokered by Secretary Albright will be honored by the N. Koreans.