Doesn't this bother anyone?

[FiveB247]

This story has seemed to disapear under the spotlight without any mention? Falisfied documents by the US and UK that were handed to the UN under Colin Powell's speech and presentation. I can believe if a mistake was made....but it also makes you wonder how it was allowed so far through in the process in order to get to the UN. Not only that...it really makes you wonder if there are any other mistakes or such that Bush and the US have claimed.

(http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/14/sprj.irq.documents/index.html)

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I don't understand this, if it's true. I mean your source IS CNN.

But we don't NEED to falsify ANYTHING to make the argument to go in to Iraq. The MOUNTIAN of evidence that he's an evil asshole bent on destruction dwarfs the highest peaks of Everest.

I don't buy it.

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I agree, even if this article is true it doesnt make a dent into the 12 years Saddam has been screwing with the UN. Lets get this over with.

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Sounds like a case of jumping the gun before the monkeys are born! In a rush to bring evidence forth to the UN, the US bought this bogus document with good faith. It just may prove that the government is in too much of a rush to bring proof against Iraq just to prove their case. Intelligence is a business where things must move slowly else mistakes are and can be made. as seen here. I also believe it is an honest mistake on our governments side. That doesn't mean that , just for one mistake, we should pack up our bags and go home. We still have to take care of this business with Saddam baby. Although I not a real big fan of the impending war, I can see no other way out at the present time!!! 'nuff said!!!!

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[FiveB247]

You don't buy it? That's simply ridiculous.

CNN is a reliable source when concerning the general population of the US.

I never said it took anything else away from what is proven concerning Iraq and Saddam. But it makes you ponder what has been claimed and alleged.

[Death Metal Moe]

You don't buy it? That's simply ridiculous.

CNN is a reliable source when concerning the general population of the US


Take it down a notch there FiveB. It was just a little joke. I read the article and I understand that Powell himself admitted they used info they were told was authentic, but later found out to be false.

But I stand by the rest of my statement.

Also, in the future, use the LINK button on the RonFez.net Quick HTML list. Very helpful.

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[FiveB247]

www.note-taken-moe.com ...haha

[Death Metal Moe]

Just a helpful hint FiveB. It will help us who are too fucking lazy to highlightm, copy and paste.

SO much work......I need to sit down.

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[A.J.]

Thanks for posting this article FiveB. Someone was talking to me about this the other day and I hadn't seen anything about it.

Having read the article, I'm confused as to who it was exactly who provided the documents to the inspectors. Were they obtained while on inspections inside Iraq?

To answer your original question, I'm bothered by the CIA's failure to authenticate these documents.

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[FiveB247]

They were obtained by the UN during Powell's visit and reviewed and analyzed later on by UN inspectors.

I'm not sure which of the following bothers me more.

1) The fact that this was merely mentioned in the media and for the most part pasted over.
2) The fact that the US/UK has failed to comment on how such important documents were incorrect, yet passed up and beyond all the way to the UN.
3) The possibility that there are other documents or allegations which are at this point uncertain...but are now widely held as truths in the US (due to US speeches, Bush, Powell, etc...and the media bias).

[Bergalad]

Falisfied documents by the US and UK

That's one hell of an accusation there, and it's bullshit. You know very well the US doesn't have to "make-up" any more violations by Saddam.
the US/UK has failed to comment on how such important documents were incorrect

Powell and others in the Government did comment on it once it was determined that they were fakes. The problem lies with the CIA for not validating the veracity of the information, not with Bush and Blair for falling for it. There's no conspiracy here, just incompetence by the CIA.

[silera]

There's no conspiracy here, just incompetence by the CIA.

If this were a trial, and the prosecution presented false evidence that led to a conviction, the defense would have basis for appeal, regardless of whether or not the prosecution presented this evidence maliciously or in good faith.

There are many reasons why we should want Iraq disarmed, however, we undermine our own case by rushing through the process.



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[FiveB247]

Bergalad...if you bothered to actually read the article instead of just passing it off as accusations, you would have seen the UN call these documents "falsifications", "fakes" and "forgeries". These aren't conspiracies....it is what exists. And on a side note, Powell and others basically pled ignorance and unknowing to such items. Which is very possible....but it doesn't take away from the fact that they are the ones who should make sure that these items are valid. Whether it be Powell, Bush or the CIA, they represent the US and are responsible for these matters and are to be held accountable. Don't simply pass the blame to a fall guy or the CIA.

[Bergalad]

And on a side note, Powell and others basically pled ignorance and unknowing to such items. Which is very possible....but it doesn't take away from the fact that they are the ones who should make sure that these items are valid. Whether it be Powell, Bush or the CIA, they represent the US and are responsible for these matters and are to be held accountable. Don't simply pass the blame to a fall guy or the CIA.

So Powell is supposed to personally verify each piece of intelligence the US has coming in to ensure it is accurate? How idiotic. The CIA made the mistake, as did British Intelligence. In several interviews I have seen, Powell admitted the documents were falsified by an unconfirmed 3rd country. He's not hiding the fact that we got duped. The FBI might investigate the incident, but it's not that important really. This whole charade of what Iraq might have and not have is all over after tonight.

[FiveB247]

You know a good part of why people are distrustful, resentful or fed up with the 'same old rhetoric' that officials keep relaying to the population is greatly accompanied with the allowance of accountability and responsibility to slide or be passed off. Maybe next you see an ad campaign by a government official to be re-elected and the first thing you think of is 'broken promises' or empty lies to get elected....then you'll begin to see where the problem with our nation is. There's nothing wrong with our government, it's just the people we have working for government, that is the problem...and the citizens aren't interested enough or feel as if they can actually make change. So they disillusion themselves into believing politicians have our interests at heart. It's nothing more than blind leadership in authority. Keep buying all the BS politicians spew out...you're only fooling yourself.

[DarkHippie]

So Powell is supposed to personally verify each piece of intelligence the US has coming in to ensure it is accurate?
Powell is secretary of state. He represents all of us, and it his his responcibility to make sure mistakes like this are not made, especially on the world stage. I commend him for owning up to it, but I'm sure that it didn't help the administration's cause at all that falsified documents were presented to the UN.

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[Bergalad]

It's nothing more than blind leadership in authority.

WTF?

But I do agree with DH that our goverment officials need to be as correct as they can be when talking about issues. Powell said the info was faked, and I don't have any reason at all to suspect that the US was the nation who did it. Simply put, we would have done a better job at falsifying the documents if it was us. All of this is not a reason to crucify Powell or Bush however, as some seem to be pleading for. A mistake was made, and now it's over.

And in the interests of fair and equal reporting, has anyone else seen anything more about this German document from last year about pushing the US into "unilateral" war with Iraq? That's an issue that should be looked into as well.

[FiveB247]

Yes berglalad...Blind leadership in authority. As if to look towards a leader (government official or representative) with hopes that they are acting upon the people's interest. It's your hope that people like Bush knows what he's doing or getting our nation involved in, in pursuit of war. You may sit by and regard politics most of the time and criticize a political party, a policy, the honor or type of person who is leading or representing the peoples' interests. But when it comes to war and security, people don't question with the same understanding, they assume and hope for the best. It's blind leadership in authority.

If you don't recognize the things that influence you directly, whether it be the economy, war, a politician, a policy or something like the environment, you're not taking everything into account and therefore not making decisions based upon the entire problem or problems at hand.

And in response to your other comment. You keep passing over the fact that it was the US that handed these fake documents over to the UN. That is relevant. Whether it was done on purpose or if it was a mistake like most believe, it's a large mistake which could hold serious impact (war and such).

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I want to know who palmed off those phony documents on us.

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[DarkHippie]

I want to know who palmed off those phony documents on us
Arthur Andersen.

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I want to know who palmed off those phony documents on us.

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[Heavy]

This story has seemed to disapear under the spotlight without any mention

I'm fine with that.

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Hey guess what about this article:
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im sure people do, however i dont and this picture is funny

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Those fucking destruction dwarfs! Always bending people!! Its high time we did something about those miserable fucks!


oh man, i thought the same exact thing when i opened this and read that line. hahaha

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Last week Seymour Hersh updated what we know about the Niger document forgeries and how they made it into the case for war. It's a thorough and well-written piece as usual. <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?031027fa_fact" target="_blank" >THE STOVEPIPE</a>

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[furie]

So basically, the administration made some bad decisions, removed needed filters, that allowed them to move on bad intel.

I haven't decided if thats better or worse than lying.



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[high fly]

This is the kind of lying that's gotten hundreds of our finest young people killed, and will get even more killed.

This is called: "supporting the troops".

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