Oil wells on fire...

[FiveB247]

Does anyone know specifically why Saddam is doing this? I realize the obvious answer in defiance to US interests as he believes. But what other effects and impact does burning the wells and fields have?

[A.J.]

It's another way of fucking his people over. Besides the lost revenue from burning/dumping oil, Saddam does long-term damage to the environment. We're still cleaning up the mess he made in Kuwait and the Persian Gulf 12 years ago.

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[DJEvelEd]

I heard that the thick smoke inhibits the laser pointed weapons...

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[Bigden]

I think they might be, but satellite guided munitions are not. Plug in the coordinates, and bye bye Saddam. There is nowhere to hide. I bet Tariq Aziz will be wearing his sidearm as he leaves this earth thanks to a sat bomb.

[erole]

a couple reasons:
blackout vision.
chemical fumes.
one more thing for us to worry about.
it gets cold there at night.

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[FiveB247]

Yeah it creates a mess as well as creates possible difficulty to fighting with all the smoke and such.

Obviously for the people of Iraq it's bad for their future economy....but honestly....can the US really say that much more about the environment? He's a tyrant and a dictator...what's our excuse?

Maybe if he actually burns enough....we'll think about using a more envrionmentally safe resource as well as being cost efficient?

[The Jays]

Does anyone know specifically why Saddam is doing this? I realize the obvious answer in defiance to US interests as he believes.


... Actually, the more obvious answer is BECAUSE HE'S FUCKING INSANE.

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[TheMojoPin]

My question is this...how the hell do you put them out? And how long would it take for a series of well fires to burn out an oil reserve?

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[Death Metal Moe]

can the US really say that much more about the environment? He's a tyrant and a dictator...what's our excuse?


You just CAN'T pass up a chance to get a dig in at the US, can you FiveB?

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Oil wells on fire...

"...now it's OUT!"

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[HBox]

I got this off an article on MSNBC.com to show just how bad this could be. This is what happened in Kuwait when they lit the wells.....

Teams of firefighters from the United States, Canada and eight other countries worked from April until November to put out the fires.
Most of the teams used seawater pumped through Kuwait's empty oil pipelines to battle the fires. The heat was so intense, at more than 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit, that water sometimes continued boiling on the ground for two days afterward, said Mark Badick of Safety Boss, Inc.

[FiveB247]

Moe, It's not taking shots. It's truth and simply states such hypocritical behavior by the US. The US justs wants that oil...they can care less about the environment, damage and such. And they will quickly throw it up to Saddam for doing so, but somehow talk about the environment? It's holding others accountable for the same actions you employ. The US is saying Iraq is hurting the environment while the US does the same. That's it.

[HBox]

The US is saying Iraq is hurting the environment while the US does the same. That's it.


Look, I consider myself an environmentalist and I am really pissed about what Bush has done with some of our environmental laws. But equating what our government does with someone who knowingly creates an environmental disaster is just wrong.

[FiveB247]

You can pick and choose your arguments...I call them down the line like law is intended to be.

Iraq is willing and knowingly causing the oil fields to burn. The US is willing and knowingly causing the environmental damage they do. And if you get want to get technical...the US has a longer history, much greater impact of environmental damage then Iraq could ever have. (And for you idiots who want to twist my words, no I'm not defending Saddam).

[TooCute]

But equating what our government does with someone who knowingly creates an environmental disaster is just wrong.

But our government (and many governments around the world) - and not just Bush, but our government, historically - has always done this. We often know full well what the environmental impact of one project or another - whether it be dams, fisheries, pollution, etc. - will be in the future, yet we allow things to proceed because the immediate financial gains outweight the future losses. Are these environmental disasters like burning oil wells? No, they're different in that we don't see the effects today. But their scale can be just as large, if not much much larger and far more difficult to reverse.



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[HBox]

Man, now I feel like a conservative. DAMN YOU LIBERAL COMMIES!!!!!!!

We are not creating an immeidate environmental disaster. We may be polluting, but there is a reason. We need power, we need lumber, we need cars. We could pollute a lot less, but we do it for a reason. But there is no need for a 2000 degree oil inferno. And that's where I draw the line.

[FiveB247]

We are not creating an immediate environmental disaster. We may be polluting, but there is a reason. We need power, we need lumber, we need cars. We could pollute a lot less, but we do it for a reason. But there is no need for a 2000 degree oil inferno. And that's where I draw the line.

Your post says exactly the problem. You are willing to trade away the future environment for profits now, while you bitch about what you have to be subjected to now. Talk about being self-interested and stuff.

People talk about removing threats so we can have a peaceful and stable future....growth for the future generations ahead of us. That doesn't exactly go along with the type of environmental concern you talk of.

[TheMojoPin]

Why are we trying to draw a comparison? It's one thing to discuss America's former reactions and policies towards the Kurds or Iran/Iraq because it reflects on what is happening today. But randomly bringing up America's own difficulties with the environment when compared to the buring oil wells that we're trying to STOP just seems a little goofy and desperate.

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[FiveB247]

I offer you this comparison instead..Aj

It's like the US government suing 'Big tobacco for $258 billion while they allow these companies to grow, buy, sell and trade in their country. They also don't mind taxing the hell out of the buyers for it. Are you going to be there's no double standard or hypocrisy?

It's the same with the oil fields. The US will easily point the finger at others for issues, but their actions are exempt.

[A.J.]

I offer you this comparison instead..Aj

It's like the US government suing 'Big tobacco for $258 billion while they allow these companies to grow, buy, sell and trade in their country. They also don't mind taxing the hell out of the buyers for it. Are you going to be there's no double standard or hypocrisy?

It's the same with the oil fields. The US will easily point the finger at others for issues, but their actions are exempt.

I'm sorry -- you lost me there. My original post was to answer your question about the effects of Saddam's burning his own oil wells.

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[HordeKing1]

AJinDC put it well. Sadaam is fucking over his own people. The Jays also expressed the crux of the problem, Sadaam is insane.

There is no applicable analogy b/w the US's record on environmental pollution, no matter how abominable (especially under Bush), and Sadaam's setting the oil wells on fire. Yes that will cause a great deal of environmental damage. His motive isn't captial gain, or short term gain for long term disaster. It has no rational explanation, as there is no short or long term gain to him or Iraq by doing this. In contrast, Bush and other polluters have at least a short term goal - profit.

Hopefully environmental and other issues of importance will be addressed when the world is a little more stable.

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[TheMojoPin]

Who the hell is Sadaam?

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[A.J.]

His motive isn't captial gain, or short term gain for long term disaster. It has no rational explanation, as there is no short or long term gain to him or Iraq by doing this.

He just took a page from the playbook of his hero Joseph Stalin and is imposing his own "scorched earth" policy.



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[FiveB247]

In contrast, Bush and other polluters have at least a short term goal - profit.

That's even more grotesque. Saddam is an evil, insane dictator, you could expect sick shit from him. On the other hand, Bush is our president and supposed to act accordingly.

[ADF]

They did this in the last war. Luckily, I think it'll all end up ok. Oil's well that ends well.

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[The Jays]

... sooooo bad.....

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[Lummox]

B just needed ANOTHER thread to bash the U.S. Seriously, It's getting fucking old.


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[erole]

What?!
The Yankees poured oil on Wells and lit him on fire?
Damn his book.

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[FiveB247]

B just needed ANOTHER thread to bash the U.S. Seriously, It's getting fucking old.

Not to bash america my good man...to see through the BS they hand out. No one wants to call shit across the board. They'd rather pick and choose their arguments. Apply issues when they apply to others while disregarding what we ourselves do.

We'll see how much everyone loves this war when tax time comes around for the next decade.