Tony Blair: A Man Of Conviction [Archive]

shamus mcfitzy

03-20-2003, 03:44 PM

He would have made Churchill pround.

oh yeah, i forgot that Saddam Hussein is Hitler and is spreading his message of hate across Europe......

at this point i've accepted that technically war is "what America wants", but it's completely different in the UK. At least here pro-war sentiment is around 60% and anti-war 40%, but in Britain it's the opposite. I don't know what you consider a good leader to be, but i see one who listens to his people as a good leader, not a lapdog. Blair is "brave" because he's doing what America wants? I don't see it that way.

This message was edited by shamus mcfitzy on 3-20-03 @ 7:51 PM

Gvac

03-20-2003, 03:52 PM

Winston Churchill begged the world to join him in the '30's in stopping Hitler's rise to power. No one wanted to get involved, and many of his fellow Brits thought he was a "war monger".

I think it's safe to say he was justified in his beliefs.

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HBox

03-20-2003, 03:57 PM

I think he's a lemming being led off a cliff by Bush.

JerseyRich

03-20-2003, 04:01 PM

Tony Blair fan since day one.

And all of you anti war people that think this is a huge mistake. What are you gonna say when Saddam is gone and we are all celebrating?
I for one will be partying...Are you still gonna be sulking in the corner with all of your other commie friends?

Support the USA or get out ASS WHACKS!

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Se7en

03-20-2003, 04:07 PM

At least here pro-war sentiment is around 60% and anti-war 40%, but in Britain it's the opposite. I don't know what you consider a good leader to be, but i see one who listens to his people as a good leader, not a lapdog. Blair is "brave" because he's doing what America wants? I don't see it that way.

Of course you wouldn't.

Blair is brave because he is standing against most of the world and doing what's right - attempting to rid the world of an evil dictator (and even the biggest moral relativists would have to agree that Saddam is as clear an example of "evil" as they come), and liberate millions of oppressed people so that they may taste freedom.

You know what bothers me about your post?

You say that you believe a good leader is one who follows the will of his people.

Applying your logic to the numbers here, you would have to believe that Bush is a good leader, because a majority favors the war.

And yet.......something tells me that you don't.

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FUNKMAN

03-20-2003, 04:48 PM

seems like a Good Man...

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Death Metal Moe

03-20-2003, 05:21 PM

Tony Blair was the real star of that meeting in the Azors too. Even better than Bush. VERY well spoken. Presented his argument with class and conviction. I'm proud to have him as an friend of the US.

Also, I think we should limit the ability of Liberals to respond in this forum....tee hee hee.

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HBox

03-20-2003, 05:45 PM

I think we should limit conservatives ability to reproduce. Tee hee.....

FiveB247

03-20-2003, 06:22 PM

And all of you anti war people that think this is a huge mistake. What are you gonna say when Saddam is gone and we are all celebrating?
I for one will be partying...Are you still gonna be sulking in the corner with all of your other commie friends?

How can you party after a war, even if you win? The US can have parades and everyone can waive their little flags like good americans....but is that any worse then when people in the Middle East cheered and danced in the street when 9-11 occurred? Many innocent people and solidiers die in war. I highly doubt if someone you knew or were related to died, you'd be partying.

When Saddam is out of power, I'll be glad cause he's an awful dictator. If he has the weapons of mass destruction we claim, I'd easily admit to being wrong about the situation and give Bush the credit he deserved for it. But if they find nothing, many of you should own up to the same. But regardless of which way it goes down, I wouldn't think to party or celebrate. I'd be more content that it was over and the problem was resolved.

c-dub

03-20-2003, 07:21 PM

You do realize that without the EVIL, HATEFUL French, the United States would still be
a British Colony and Tony Blair WOULD be our leader!

Anyway, Tony Blair seems like a fine leader who has, at times, said what I wish our
president had said. Sadly, his political future is toast when this is all over with. Also, I
don't think I would ever put him up there with Winston, because Churchill would never
have allowed himself to be put in this situation by the United States, but in these
times he is the closest thing we will get.

As far as "celebrating" when this is over with, no one will be happier than the
pro-peace side. If this can be over quickly with limited loss of life, then it will be a
wonderful victory. However, so much damage has already been done, it would be
foolish to dance in the streets.

* France/Germany/Russia - new military alliance

* Enormous debt to pay for this and the occupation; this time not shared with the rest
of the world.

* The entire middle east boiling over and creating more generations of terrorists

* North Korea still awaits - not to mention Columbia! Do you even know what's going
on right now in Columbia???

* American lives in more danger over-seas

I could go on and on (actually - I think I did last night!); bottom line is we put in
Hussain and helped him murder thousands and thousands of Iranians - when he
turned on us, we DIDN'T take him out when we had a chance - instead we help starve
half a million Iraqi children in the last 12 years. And now, there is proof that this attack
has been in the planning stages for 6 years, to help big US Oil, yet morons still want to
make the connection to 9-11 AND that we are doing this to help the Iraqi people.

I love America (I actually find it UNAMERICAN to question the patriotism of those who
voice desent!) - I'm proud of the troops (including the younger brother of one of my
best friends) - but I am embarrassed and scared of this administration.

c-dub

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Bergalad

03-20-2003, 07:37 PM

If he has the weapons of mass destruction we claim, I'd easily admit to being wrong about the situation and give Bush the credit he deserved for it.

Kuwaiti officials said the first two were Scuds, similar to the ones the Iraqis fired in the 1991 Gulf War.

The Pentagon described the two as "tactical ballistic missiles" -- which could include Scuds -- that were intercepted and destroyed by the PAC-3, the latest Patriot anti-missile system, as they flew toward the Kuwaiti sky at midday Thursday.

A third missile, described by Kuwaiti military officials as the Iraqi Al Samoud, broke in two and fell near the Kuwaiti border.

Iraq told U.N. inspectors in its December weapons declaration, a copy of which was shown to an Associated Press reporter, that it no longer had the Scud missiles it used against Iran in the 1980s and against Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Israel during the 1991 Gulf War.
The line to kiss Bush's ass starts to the left...

HBox

03-20-2003, 07:48 PM

Scuds are not weapons of mass destruction, and certainly not a threat to our national security. They may be in violation of UN sanctions, but if that's all they have they pose absolutely NO threat to the US. Now, show me Scuds equipped with VX, tubs full of anthrax, or some nuclear fuel, and then Bush has my apologies and congrats.

Bergalad

03-20-2003, 07:51 PM

They may be in violation of UN sanctions

What more do you fucking want? He has banned weapons, things he said he didn't have. This is the exact reason we went in there- we couldn't trust him. He is hiding weapons like SCUDS, why would you think he wouldn't hide chem weapons? Stop making excuses for him, because that is what you are doing. You put more faith in Saddam than your own President, and that's fucking sick.

HBox

03-20-2003, 07:56 PM

Who cares about fucking UN sanctions. You supporters of the war are the first ones to bash the UN as irrelevant. We are going into Iraq because they supposedly have WMDs. How the fuck are terrorists supposed to use Scud missiles? You sound like you're looking for any excuse to wage war. This war isn't worth it if we are ridding the world of a handful of Scuds.

If Saddam is so terrible, and he is, the people of Iraq should rise up themselves. Their liberation is not our responsibility. So don't even bring that up.

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c-dub

03-20-2003, 07:57 PM

"What more do you fucking want?"

How about THE TRUTH! SCUDS are not weapons of mass destruction!!!! You said THEY
WERE!

"He has banned weapons, things he said he didn't have. This is the exact reason we
went in there- we couldn't trust him."

No...this isn't the reason we went in there. Do yourself a favor and type "Project for
the New American Century" into Google, and read, not only their site, but also the
articles written about them. THEY are the reason 300,000 Americans are risking their
lives - it all goes back6 or 7 years to a group with big oil interest. PURE AND SIMPLE.

"He is hiding weapons like SCUDS, why would you think he wouldn't hide chem
weapons? Stop making excuses for him, because that is what you are doing. You put
more faith in Saddam than your own President, and that's fucking sick."

Wrong - wrong - wrong.

Everyone has said that if Chem weapons are found and / or used they will respond,
react accordingly, but that is a HUGE burden to bear - and until this ficticious day has
happened, WE REMAIN THE COUNTRY THAT HAS STARTED A WAR!

The only person that has made Saddam the good guy here is Bush, and THAT is what
is sick!

c-du

El Mudo

03-20-2003, 08:00 PM

You do realize that without the EVIL, HATEFUL French, the United States would still be
a British Colony and Tony Blair WOULD be our leader!

Not necessarily. The French didn't like us, they wanted to take us over and make us their own colony after the Revolution cause they figured we would be too weak. Besides, eventually we would have outlasted the British cause their public was already tired of war, and the British couldnt make any more money off us anyway..

Also, even if we had lost, Britain would not be ruling us right now. Are they ruling Canada today? Australia?..didnt think so..

Trying to stop talking like a grizzled 1890's prospector..

TheGameHHH

03-20-2003, 08:11 PM

I admire Blair because I don't think many other men would have done what he's doing in this situation.

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JerseyRich

03-20-2003, 08:14 PM

If we want to continue this forum...You are going to have to refrain from typing "Fuck you!"
and generally stupid shit like that.

If you insult other board members or tell them to fuck off and the sort...you will be gone.

I know war gets people heated...But keep it civil...

On that note. Tony Blair rules...Saddam drools!

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c-dub

03-20-2003, 08:15 PM

"Trying to stop talking like a grizzled 1890's prospector.. "

Try getting a joke.

c-dub

HBox

03-20-2003, 08:18 PM

Somebody insinuating that I like Saddam more than America is very insutling. Nevertheless, my bad.

JerseyRich

03-20-2003, 08:19 PM

Oh...and BTW.

Stay on topic...or your posts will get deleted.

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Bergalad

03-20-2003, 08:20 PM

How about THE TRUTH! SCUDS are not weapons of mass destruction!!!! You said THEY WERE!

Um, no. I said they were banned weapons. Thanks for playing. I didn't think there could be a more radical, clueless fringe to this board, but apparently it has appeared. Outstanding.

The Jays

03-20-2003, 08:22 PM

How about THE TRUTH! SCUDS are not weapons of mass destruction!!!!

But they are weapons that he is not allowed to have, as per the ceasefire.

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FiveB247

03-20-2003, 08:23 PM

He has banned weapons, things he said he didn't have. This is the exact reason we went in there- we couldn't trust him. He is hiding weapons like SCUDS, why would you think he wouldn't hide chem weapons? Stop making excuses for him, because that is what you are doing. You put more faith in Saddam than your own President, and that's fucking sick.

Actually, Saddam and Iraq admitted to having Scud missles in the last round of weapons inspections. Iraq also began destroying some missiles which were they were not supposed to have before the UN had to evacuate due to invasion.

And no one puts more faith in Saddam then our own president. Let's not get silly here. The missiles that were fired into Kuwait have to be examined. They have not been determined to be Scuds yet. So don't jump the gun before you have the facts.

erole

03-20-2003, 08:25 PM

Blair is bitchin'

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Bergalad

03-20-2003, 08:37 PM

I like Blair a lot. I think he is doing a great job and every time I hear his voice I feel better about what is happening. He is a true friend to America, and I support him all the way.

Bergalad

03-20-2003, 08:39 PM

Sorry Mods, I know this one is off topic, but PLEASE!
And no one puts more faith in Saddam then our own president. Let's not get silly here.

Go Blair.

c-dub

03-20-2003, 08:42 PM

GO BLAIR IS RIGHT!

I had the biggest crush on her when she was on the FACTS OF LIFE.

c-dub

HBox

03-20-2003, 08:43 PM

Um, no. I said they were banned weapons. Thanks for playing. I didn't think there could be a more radical, clueless fringe to this board, but apparently it has appeared. Outstanding.

Tell me where I said he didn't have banned weapons? If you actually read my posts, you would see I said that scuds WERE NOT WMDS!! I said if all he has are scuds, this war is not neccessary. I never said he didn't have WMDS. All I said is that scuds are not weapons of mass destruction. I am not clueless. I am not radical. And if you want to play, learn the rules.

You are trying to say that Scuds are enough to justify the war. I am saying that this war is justified on the grounds that Saddam has WMDs. And that is all I am saying.

The Blowhard

03-20-2003, 08:48 PM

Blair has NOTHING to gain and EVERYTHING to lose. That's conviction kiddies. Give him that.
He said he wanted to do the right thing and he believes that history will prove him right.
When's the last time a politician ignored the polls and stood up for what he belived in?
Love him or hate him he is proven to be a true leader.

TheMojoPin

03-20-2003, 10:37 PM

Heck's right. I disagree with a lot of what's going down, but the man is going with his gut, even as his own cabinet bails on him. Whether he's right or not, time will tell, but the dude IS sticking to his guns, and that takes balls. More of an honest politician than weve gotten in decades.

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Death Metal Moe

03-20-2003, 10:44 PM

Actually, Saddam and Iraq admitted to having Scud missles in the last round of weapons inspections

What a HELL of a guy! Hey! Right before you're gonna come in, I'll let you dumb asses find some more shit I said I never had!

BLAIR RULES! So handsome, and So ENGLISH, but in a straight way.

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schmega

03-20-2003, 10:44 PM

he's my new favorite brit. he, and jeremy northam.

JerseyRich

03-21-2003, 05:36 AM

Tell me where I said he didn't have banned weapons? If you actually read my posts, you would see I said that scuds WERE NOT WMDS!! I said if all he has are scuds, this war is not neccessary. I never said he didn't have WMDS. All I said is that scuds are not weapons of mass destruction. I am not clueless. I am not radical. And if you want to play, learn the rules.

You are trying to say that Scuds are enough to justify the war. I am saying that this war is justified on the grounds that Saddam has WMDs. And that is all I am saying.

I don't see one mention of Tony Blair in there...

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angrymissy

03-21-2003, 06:05 AM

Tony Blair rocks. He's doing what he thinks is right, even though he's getting a lot of shit for it.

And he is definitely very well-spoken - I saw a MTV Europe debate thing with him fielding questions from a bunch of angry young Europeans, and I was amazed at how well he handled it.

Yea, and saying "Fuck You" when you're debating someone doesn't exactly make you look extremely intelligent.

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03-21-2003, 06:18 AM

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03-21-2003, 06:22 AM

Goshdarnit. How did we end up with George Bush and they got Tony Blair??? Maybe next time we'll elect a real leader!

silera

03-21-2003, 06:23 AM

When I hear Tony Blair speak, I get all fuzzy and warm inside.

I think he's absolutely groovy.

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angrymissy

03-21-2003, 06:28 AM

If Tony Blair wasn't supporting the US, I highly doubt any of you would be hailing him for anything. You'd all belittling him like you do Chirac or any other leader that oppossed the war and invasion.

Nope, I've always thought he was a well-spoken, intelligent leader... even before the current situation. Don't make assumptions.

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schmega

03-21-2003, 06:39 AM

i think it really goes without saying that blair's well-spoken. isnt that expected of all british leaders? i dunno, i'm not a big brit pol groupie. i do know that listening to them speak makes you just a bit more intelligent. they did invent the language, after all.

A.J.

03-21-2003, 07:09 AM

Also, I don't think I would ever put him up there with Winston, because Churchill would never have allowed himself to be put in this situation by the United States,

Absolutely. It was Churchill, not FDR, who wanted to get America into the war against Germany. He had to settle for the Lend-Lease Act until 7 DEC happened.

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