To all the pro-war folks

[TheMojoPin]

If this doesn't smack of desperation, I don't know WHAT does.

Quit giving the rest of us anti-war folks a black eye, dammit.

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[HBox]

SHHHHHHHHHUUUUUUUUT UUUUUUUUPPPPPPPP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHHHHHUUUUUUUUT UUUUUUUUUPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!

[The Jays]

So, those that disagree with war have permission to sit on their ass and participate on a message board.



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[reeshy]

Been there, done that. Your turn, kiddo!!!!

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[phixion]

If this doesn't smack of desperation, I don't know WHAT does.

Quit giving the rest of us anti-war folks a black eye, dammit.


basically what he said.......

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[The Blowhard]

Who the hell is "pro-war"? War is evil. Nobody likes war, but the world is a bad place and some want to kill us. Yes, they want to destroy America.
Let's reach out to our enemies and share a Coke.

[The Jays]

I'M PRO-WAR, PRO-ABORTION, AND PRO-DEATH! EVERYTHING MUST DIE!

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[TheMojoPin]

Let's reach out to our enemies and share a Coke.

I'M DISGUSTED BY YOUR CONSTANT ANTI-PEPSI AGENDAS, DAMMIT!!!

And "pro-war" IS a pretty retarded term. About as dumb as "pro-life" or "pro-abortion." Fun times for all...

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[The Blowhard]

And "pro-war" IS a pretty retarded term. About as dumb as "pro-life" or "pro-abortion."


STOP IT MOJO! I'm starting to like you lately.
I'm having a "Courtship Of Eddie's Father" moment.

[TheMojoPin]

And just to mention, MojoPin, you haven't made a bit of
sense in any of your responses so until you can come
up with something slightly intelligent I'll refuse to
address your responses.

Wow, what a great cop-out. Kudos.

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[The Jays]

And just to mention, MojoPin, you haven't made a bit of
sense in any of your responses so until you can come
up with something slightly intelligent I'll refuse to
address your responses.


As opposed to yours, where you state your opinion, and then attack people who post their disagreements, and go off and start a new thread.

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[HBox]

This guy has lost all touch with reality.

[The Jays]

Last person I knew who had lost touch with reality was a guy named Kurtz, and I was ordered by a creepy guy in a tie to terminate him with extreme prejudice.

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[TheMojoPin]

Last person I knew who had lost touch with reality was a guy named Kurtz, and I was ordered by a creepy guy in a tie to terminate him with extreme prejudice.

"Shit...I'm still in the Politics & Current Events room...er...SAIGON..."

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I didn't say one word to my wife until I said yes to a divorce.

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[reeshy]

And just to mention, MojoPin, you haven't made a bit of
sense in any of your responses so until you can come
up with something slightly intelligent I'll refuse to
address your responses


You just did!! heehee

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[TheMojoPin]

And the only thing you can do is make blanket statements without even considering the possibility of debate or other opinions. So I think it shall be *I* that is ignoring YOU from now on. Have a nice day.

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I'M RUBBER, YOUR GLU, WHA EVA U SAY BOUNCE OFF ME AND STICK TO U!!!!!


AHAHAHAHAHA!!! U R POOP!!!!111!~!11111

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[HBox]

All you people can do is toss insults, it's the only thing
you understand.


If you're so eager to go to war what are you doing sitting on your ass on this message board. Go down to the military recruiting station, sign up and take up arms. How easy it must be for you to want war when you don't have to put your ass on the line.


I rest my case.

[The Jays]

... and the jury won't even need to deliberate.

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[TheMojoPin]

But wait, maybe londonanders has a silver lining...he's brought posters on either side of the war issue...TOGETHER. God bless you, londonanders! And God bless us, EVERYONE!

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[reeshy]

So I think it shall be *I* that is ignoring YOU from now on. Have a nice day.



Damn, Mojo, do you have to so mean?

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If you're so eager to go to war what are you doing sitting on your ass on this message board. Go down to the military recruiting station, sign up and take up
arms.

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[TheMojoPin]

If you're so eager to go to war what are you doing sitting on your ass on this message board. Go down to the military recruiting station, sign up and take up
arms.

I tired...but my uncle said I needed to stay on for another season! Well, I guess harvest IS when he needs me the most...DAMN YOU, BIGGS!!!

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[reeshy]

Mojo,
I just got back from the recruiter-do I look cute????

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[phixion]

Heckler, in my opinion, if you in favor of going to war
then you are pro-war. If you are not in favor of going
to war you're anti-war. I didn't think it was very
difficult to figure out.


are you an ass? ur making all of us who are against this war seem like douchebags....

yes i am against this war but war itself is a goodthing...i shouldnt say that....its a necessary thing

what got the world out of the dark ages? a war
what got the US out of the great depression? a war
what helped establish the UN? a war

war is necessary and most of the time im very pro war... the last official war we fought under the other bush was a good war... we were freeing a people being held under control of a person outside their government.....
and please if u are going to make statement against the war make them intelligent thats all i ask....

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[CaptClown]

If you're so eager to go to war what are you doing
sitting on your ass on this message board. Go down to
the military recruiting station, sign up and take up
arms. How easy it must be for you to want war when
you don't have to put your ass on the line.

Even if I was accepted this war will be over by the time any one finishes Basic and their MOS schooling.

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I'm already in the military. How 'bout dem apples?

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[TheMojoPin]

Mojo,
I just got back from the recruiter-do I look cute????

Reeshy, you KNOW you'll ALWAYS be my favorite Village Person...now let's go ride the bus together and "bump" into each other!

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[Lummox]

London is the exact epitome of what I have been saying for weeks- you're embarassing the anti war movement. Those with real concerns don't reduce to name calling and propagandist slurrs. It's too late to stop the war now, how about a little support for the troops and a little unity. We should all just hope for a quick ending, few casualties, and a free Iraq for all those poor souls who have suffered for 30 years under threat of death or bodily harm (unlike those of us free to post our heads off).

Peace through superior firepower...

[spoon]

That statement ranks up there with the likes of my top 2 slogans seen in US protests thus far:
1) Does she look like the enemy? (under a picture of a little muslim girl). No, but she also isn't the target or reason for war. However, her sex and generation stand to gain the most by the toppling of this regime.
2) 1930's Nazi's
2003 America
This is so rediculous I really don't have to comment.

I met london at the last Hard Rock event and he seemed to be cool. I hope it's just emotions running wild causing you to post so ignorantly. I actually think a lot of good will come of this situation if things are done right. This of course doesn't make me pro-war, even though it's the only card game I have ever won at. War is a necessity at times, and never will be the time when it is fully supported. I have family in the military, so I hardly think I need to join to loose anything. I stand for the liberation of a country and its people, the stabalization of an area in a region that needs tons of help, and also to rid the world of a dictator with crazy sons in the wings who constantly causes the world a shit load of trouble. Toss in the his constant attempts to attain weapons of mass destruction (biological, chemical and nuclear)and his links to terrorist activities, camps and financial support to his stellar profile and what should we do? Keep in mind that these are the facts that are of common public knowledge, how much do you think is withheld due to a higher interest? Tell me, when should we act? Shall we wait till France is on-board? I just hope the speculated papers that will incriminate the French, Germans and Russians are found before they are destroyed. It is hypothesized that one of many of the countries opposed have secretly made millions of dollars breaking embargos and weapons treaties with the likes of Iraq. Including chemical and biological weapons, or at least raw materials used to produce them.


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[spoon]

STOP IT MOJO! I'm starting to like you lately.
I must concur here. I'm starting to become a fan of the little tot as well. Speaking of fans, how has that bathroom fan adapter worked out?

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Nothing...i have nothing!

[TheMojoPin]

Speaking of fans, how has that bathroom fan adapter worked out?

I fell down, went "BOOM".

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[fluffernutter]

I'M DISGUSTED BY YOUR CONSTANT ANTI-PEPSI AGENDAS, DAMMIT!!!

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And just to mention, MojoPin, you haven't made a bit of
sense in any of your responses so until you can come
up with something slightly intelligent I'll refuse to
address your responses



Ummmmm I hate to inform you of something, but you just contradicted yourself...

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I'm going no where fast, apparently...

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[spoon]

The following post from another thread applies here. It goes as follows:
[quote]from chronwatch.com

You asked why I support the war. You wanted to understand why now, and why with Iraq rather than other, equally noxious, tyrants. In this letter, I'll try to cover what this war is about and what it isn't about.

This isn't a war about American blood for Iraqi oil. The United States and Great Britain have maintained sanctions on Iraqi oil since 1991 in the face of European and Asian opposition. If we had wanted Iraqi oil, as our oil companies have lobbied for years, we could have simply lifted sanctions and bought it.

It is a war brought about by blood for oil, however. One of the reasons Iraq poses a threat is because of its oil revenues and what they have bought and can buy. In the hands of a megalomaniacal dictator, oil revenues purchased the technology, built the infrastructure, and produced biological weapons like anthrax and smallpox and chemical weapons like VX nerve agent and mustard gas. There is blood for oil here but it is on the hands of the French and Germans who sold Saddam Hussein the technology and equipment so he could gas thousands of his own Kurdish citizens. There is blood for oil, the blood of thousands of Iranians, Kuwaitis, and Iraqi Shia Moslems who died under the treads of Hussein's tanks, and armored personnel carriers or who were machine-gunned or blown apart by attack helicopters. This blood is on the hands of the Russians and Chinese who sold him these things. To know Hussein, his methods, and goals, and to build a nuclear reactor for him, as the French did at Osirik, makes you his accomplice not just a trading partner.

He invaded Iran. He invaded Kuwait. He gassed Iranians. He gassed Kurds. On retreating from Kuwait, his army set fire to every oil well they could reach creating the greatest ecological disaster in Mid-East history. He will use every weapon in his arsenal. When he develops atomic weapons, he will use them. If he had atomic weapons now, he would use them on our troops. If we wait until he obtains them, he will use them on our troops and on his neighbors. This war is happening now, specifically because he is close to developing them. He has the means and the motive, and all he lacks is time. We cannot await this inevitability.

For all its dictatorial dysfunction, does the Middle East deserve to be under the nuclear thumb of one murdering tyrant? Do we wait for the illicit transfer of a backpack nuke to a terrorist organization who walks it into Los Angeles or New York or on a container ship coming into Oakland? Containment only works with rational governments and leaders who pay the price for their aggression. It doesn't work with stateless, suicidal Islamofacist terrorists.

This is not a threat you can see or touch now. This is frustrating for most Americans. But when you can see it or touch it, it will be too late to act. A new era was ushered in by the attacks of September 11, 2001. As you know, my wife was in Manhattan on 9/11 and watched the second plane hit the World Trade Center. She smelled the ozone and dust in the air, wondering if chemical or biological weapons were there as well. Even now, we have friends who will not go into Manhattan. How many other attacks in how many other cities must we endure? Is this the type of world we are consigned to live in? Do you want to live in a world like this? Do you want your children to live in a world like this?

Some say that North Korea is a more immediate threat. Is their motive to face one threat or avoid facing another? North Korea is an isolated, bankrupt ghost of Stalinism whose people are reducing to eating tree bark to stay alive. They will soon collapse on their own.

Some say that we must have the sanction of the United Nations. Where were these people during the Yugoslavian war, the Haitian intervention, or the Somalia debacle? Their vision ends at America's shores. Their signs and chants offer no viable alternative. They linger on hatred of the U.S. president because their arguments are int

[Gvac]

As I stated in another thread previously, saying that everyone who supports the war effort should join the military is a silly and illogical argument. For example, I fully support the police and fire departments in my town and believe they must exist for public safety, yet I'm not a police officer or fireman. Does that make me a hypocrite?



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[The real Kenny Allen]

I would enlist but I have to, um, wash my dog.

What's your experience with data, doctor?

[Butters]

I would enlist but I'm 14 and only have 2 squirrels

Come on how many times in your life can you say...hehe ^.^

I don't want to do anything illegal but I would kill someone in front of their own moma for a ten-speed

[Captain Rooster]

Why should they have to?

Maybe people want oppressed human beings to be liberated. Maybe Americans want to sleep soundly at night-safe from the fear of WMD being released in the city.

I heard from a survivor of the Holocaust this week. He said that he prayed that the Americans would bomb his concentration camp during WWII. He sadi that he thought that he would die but it would be "worth it" if it would stop the machines of death, the ovens and gas chambers.


WE ARE STOPPING THE MACHINE OF DEATH IN IRAQ. The war is not attacking the people. Their power is on, their water is running and they are living in the knowledge that the dictator will be removed.


Just because you are behind the troops and the US cause does not require a person to enlist.




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[samnyc]

Likewise, if the nutty radicals believe in Saddam so strongly, why don't they go to Iraq to stand up for him? I would like to see that, especially considering Rumsfied's comments last week!!

The more I see the nutty radicals in New York, the more I want to see the president use extreme force in Iraq to show those jerks that he is willing to defend common American values and believes in the cause of security and stability.

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[HAMMERHEAD]

I am by no way pro-war. But I do support the military, I have family over there right now and I will be damned if I am not going to support them!! Especially because they have no choice in the matter, this is their job.

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hey asshole , if you care so much about civilians go become HUMAN SHIELD!!! or join the red cross you never will because your a coward who benefits from those who protect you. Think before you speak

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I'm pro popping cherry pop tarts.


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All those who are against the war can line up and get gassed with stric 9 and anthrax. The ones who servive that can get inside a building and let a plane fly threw it.

This isnt just about being at war, its about making this world a better place.

We dont need commie overlords that threaten the safty of our future.

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I'm pro tarts.

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We dont need commie overlords


Leave Fidel out of this...he just wanted to have a monopoly on the Cuban Cigar Market

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I'm pro war cuz I'm jealous of the Israelis.
We need a California-sized West Bank to call our very own.

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Now I don't know which asshole to bash: high fly or londonanders.

Keep those great ideas coming guys. You damage your own arguments with your own statements far worse than I or other thinking people could with educated rebuttals.

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[high fly]

California sized West Bank of our very own.
Go ahead Moe, put that great big educated brain of yours to work on that one.

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[TheMojoPin]

Likewise, if the nutty radicals believe in Saddam so strongly, why don't they go to Iraq to stand up for him?

You were sweating as you typed this, weren't you?

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[shamus mcfitzy]

For all its dictatorial dysfunction, does the Middle East deserve to be under the nuclear thumb of one murdering tyrant?


but enough about Dubya......lol lol

that's a joke

i think that this war at least inadvertently is to get Bush re-elected. I can't imagine what Bush would've been doing if September 11th hadn't happened. I don't really think that our president is acting noblely in this war, he's acting out of desperation to respond to the real crazzies who think we should start blowing up the middle east, who sadly,are a lot of people in this country. And i don't think that it can be denied that one of the reasons for the war is oil, only because it makes it easier for the US to get Iraqi oil. Not that it's even a bad thing, because i don't think at this point the US has to answer to anyone.

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All you did was repeat yourself high fly. Way to rebutt.

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[Knowledged_one]

Again i will say if this war were about oil we would be down in Venezuela helping settle their National Strike that has stopped shipment of oil from that country.
U.S. import of Venezuelan oil #4
U.S. import of Iraqi oil is #9

we get the majority of our oil from South America and Russia not the middle east, so stop listening to what Martin Sheen and Sean Penn say about the war get your facts straight dumbass.

and londonanders i work for the DOD you dumb ass just because someone does not go fight and join up there are plenty of others that do work for the military asshole, like myself who works on the F/A-18 Super Hornet the primary fighter/bomber for the navy and is being used extensively in the campaign now dick. So why dont you still sit behind your computer and pass judgement on things you know nothing about, that seems to be what you are good at

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[FiveB247]

Knowledged one...Yes, as of right now we import more oil from Venezuela. But you'd be stupid to think that it has nothing at all to do with oil. It is a factor in the mix...whether a large or small one depends on the perspective. The Middle East and OPEC virtually set oil prices, out put, trade and basically have say over the market as a whole. Iraq has the capabilities to be the 2nd largest out-putter of oil in the world, but due to sanctions and poor management, they do not go to full capability. With Iraq in US business influence or even as a more 'democratic' trading partner, the US would greatly benefit from this war. It would stabilize the oil market, lower prices, increase output and lessen the direct influence of OPEC, especially other Middle Eastern nations like Saudi Arabia. You can say the US is at war to rid themselves of Saddam as a threat and to free the people.....but a part of that also is the oil factor. Your perspective would determine how large a part the oil influence factored into the war and its intentions/ agenda. But whether great or small....it is a factor.

[phixion]

Now I don't know which asshole to bash: high fly or londonanders.

Keep those great ideas coming guys. You damage your own arguments with your own statements far worse than I or other thinking people could with educated rebuttals


hey moe i couldnt have been as bad as these guys......and if i was y didnt u shoot me?

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If you're so eager to go to war what are you doing sitting on your ass on this message board. Go down to the military recruiting station, sign up and take up arms. How easy it must be for you to want war when you don't have to put your ass on the line.


Ummmmmmm.... settle down beavis.

But HAHAH the idea of me joining the military is hilarious. I'm so out of shape its ridiculous, I give those people respect for being able to get through boot camp - I'd die out there in an hour.

I mean, lets say you have no legs but you support the war. Should you still have to go enlist?

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[Knowledged_one]

yeah missy and we can use the people who are just stumps i.e. no arms and legs as shields

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[FiveB247]

You guys keep creeping closer to the defense system in South Park the Movie.

[high fly]

All you did was repeat yourself high fly. Way to rebutt.

No, actually I challenged you to tackle the point with all that intelligence you claim to have. "rebut" has one "t", by the way.
California-sized West Bank of our very own
California-sized West Bank of our very own
California-sized West Bank of our very own

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[Knowledged_one]

Why not have a California sized West Bank
We already have a California that is filled with nothing but communist/dictatorial sympathizers who do nothing for this country.

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[Bestinshow]

That is the fucking stupidest argument of them all. It`s easy to be pro war when you are not enlisted? So according to that brainstorm, only people in the military are allowed to be prowar. And why are all the misinformed assholes allowed to be anti-war. Are they four-star generals? what kind of defense for the non-validity of a war is not to fight so the soldiers don`t get hurt. I am tired of hearing that people are prowar because we don`t care if the military gets hurt. You don`t decide if war is just, based on how close to the danger you are. I guess during the 1940`s we wouldn`t be able to be for war against Hitler unless of course we enlisted. Our military is completely voluntary enlistment. People enlist to be part of the military so in the event of a just cause, they are there to do their service.
The validity of that cause is independent of that danger. Whether it is right or wrong to go to war is decided strictly by the cause not whether or not the person deciding is at risk or not.

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Keep saying it high Fly.

Maybe someone will take you seriously one of these days.


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If you're so eager to go to war what are you doing
sitting on your ass on this message board. Go down to
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arms. How easy it must be for you to want war when
you don't have to put your ass on the line.
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[high fly]

Keep saying it high fly.
Maybe someone will take you seriously one of these days

Way to rebutt, er, rebut.

" and they ask me why I drink"

[Bestinshow]

California sized West Bank? What stupid point is that? Do the liberals think we are going to hold it for a buffer? What the fuck does that mean? Are you trying to say this justifies homicide bombing? Is this how you feel about the West bank? The murder is justified? Killing people on buses and now Iraq should do the same? Only liberals can justify terrorism. If they would stop killing people this wouldn`t be going on in the first place. I know, we started with Iraq. They were just sitting around minding their business.

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[TheMojoPin]

Do the liberals think we are going to hold it for a buffer? Only liberals can justify terrorism.

Yes, we ALL think like that.

We also all dress the same, drive the same cars, and have the same curious pseudo-Cockney accent. Strange.

We also love Nazis, terrorists, Saddam and Osama (It would be HEAVEN if we could combine the two), baby-raping, the death of Jesus, killing white people to death, burning Santa Clause alive, sodomy-happy priests and underage pornography. Lots of it, too. Ungodly amounts.

Booga-booga-booga-BOOOOO!!!

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[Bestinshow]

Maybe Mojopin you are in the minority of what I encounter and aren`t like this but most liberals I encounter love to spout catchey slogans and phrases. You are able to give an intelligent argument, I have no problem with that. What bothers me is the vast majority that I encounter have no basis for their argument, only hatred for the right or unhappiness with the situation. Before you form an opinion against a viewpoint, prove that yours is better. Otherwise, shut the hell up.

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It's ok, Bestinshow, I feel that way about most people I meet, period :)

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killing white people to death


You know, I hate it when I kill white people and they don't die.


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[Aggie]

In addition to the cost of this war, the anti-war protests are estimated at costing over $900,000/day in police overtime. I'm not saying people don't have the right to protest, but isn't it somewhat counterproductive?

And thankfully because so many brave men and women have voluntarily enrolled in the armed forces we don't have to fight. So don't tell us what we should be doing. In that case, you should be in France with the rest of the cry babies.

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[FiveB247]

In addition to the cost of this war, the anti-war protests are estimated at costing over $900,000/day in police overtime. I'm not saying people don't have the right to protest, but isn't it somewhat counterproductive?


You can't put a price on freedoms. One thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Don't associate budget problems, overtime pay or such notions to the right of protestors to speak their piece.

[TooCute]

And thankfully because so many brave men and women have voluntarily enrolled in the armed forces we don't have to fight.

I think many protesters would argue that if there wasn't a war, nobody would have to fight.

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[Shecky]

You can't put a price on freedoms. One thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Don't associate budget problems, overtime pay or such notions to the right of protestors to speak their piece.

In addition to the cost of this war, the anti-war protests are estimated at costing over $900,000/day in police overtime. I'm not saying people don't have the right to protest, but isn't it somewhat counterproductive?


Protesters dont realize that the more they get out of hand the more they take the cops away from regular job, keeping an eye out on possible terrorist acts and other crimes associated in the major cities, the same cities they visit to protest that others live in.

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[TheMojoPin]

Maybe Mojopin you are in the minority of what I encounter and aren`t like this but most liberals I encounter love to spout catchey slogans and phrases.

Hey, you'll get no argument from me here. I smack my head in frustration at most of the activists I hear speaking "for" the anti-war in Iraq movements...it's like people don't think before they speak sometimes, and they just want to sound "cool" and "catchy"...

But this is true for both sides. It seems like everyone doing all the public speaking wants to break everything down into "buzz words". No good!

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[Aggie]

But this is true for both sides. It seems like everyone doing all the public speaking wants to break everything down into "buzz words". No good!
Very true....just watching the news channels I feel the propaganda and 'buzz words' seeping from my television. Most people absorb it and spit it back out at everyone else, we need to be more concious of it.

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[FiveB247]

Protesters dont realize that the more they get out of hand the more they take the cops away from regular job, keeping an eye out on possible terrorist acts and other crimes associated in the major cities, the same cities they visit to protest that others live in.


You can't blame all the protestors for the trouble a few start. It is every citizens right to protest, whether war time, terrorism or anything. You make it sound like people should be told when they can protest or use their right of free speech due to the factors around them...whether it be police overtime pay, security...whatever it is. It's all secondary and a way to dodge the issues at hand.

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You can't blame all the protestors for the trouble a few start. It is every citizens right to protest, whether war time, terrorism or anything.


Or Radio stations for chnging thier formats. I guess those who would argue against the anti-war rally would also say that those who protested against WNEW support terrorism because they diverted police's attention from stopping it here.

Or is protesting a radio station "ok" because it's more important than protesting our government spiraling out of the people's control? Or is it just not important to protest against "taxation without representation?" It's not like our country is founded on that notion or anything....



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To the original post, I agree 100%.
I'm sick and tired of hearing 20 year old guys in perfect shape screaming "Let's kick their asses!" as they sit in a college classroom all day.
Unless you're missing a leg or something, you better enlist if you're so pro war.

[Bestinshow]

After reading all this thats your conclusion? Thats fucking stupid.
And so is comparing the phone blitzes for WNEW to rioting in the streets. Give me a break. Some people don`t want to be confused with the facts.
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[high fly]

California-sized West Bank. What stupid point is that?

The point I am making is I think we will have a situation much like the one the Israelis have on the West Bank.
I think we'll be hit with the suicide bombers, the sniping and all the rest, only our intelligence won't be as good as the Israeli's is, nor will we be as ruthless as they are.
I think when we try to put in a government, it's leaders will be assassinated, intimidated or corrupted.
While democracy would be good for them, since it is coming from an occupying infidel they will resist it, and us, no matter how much we try to do for them.
Two of the things I've learned about these arabs are 1] they love a loser, and 2] you can count on them to take decisions that are not in their best interest.

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[Death Metal Moe]

There ya go Buddy.

You FINALLY fucking explained yourself instead of screaming your catch phrase a million times hoping someone would bite.

You're statement is a poor opinion. In the West Bank, the Palestinians are trying to get back land that was taken from them. I don't agree with their cowardly Homicide Bombings, but I do recognize their land was taken.

In Iraq, we are going to give the land back to them to use how they see fit.

There will be a limited ammount of assholes that feel like bombing or snipering after the war is over, but a majority of the people will begin to understand what the Americans and British did for them, and hopefully appreciate it.

The two situations are so different I'm disappointed you kept it up for like 5 posts.

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You can't put a price on freedoms.


But, he just did...

In addition to the cost of this war, the anti-war protests are estimated at costing over $900,000/day in police overtime.


Americans should be aware of how much the war will cost. They should also be aware of how much anti-war protests cost.

The fact is that money is spent on the extra police and sanitation, and everyone should be aware that their tax payer money goes toward it.

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[Shecky]

I never said protesters shouldnt protest, I'm just saying they don't think of the circumstances of their actions in a time of war when we need to the cops the most.

Another thing lets try to limit these protests to maybe once a week or twice a month.
Maybe if this war in IRAQ becomes a ten year old useless war then I won't mind seeing protesters all the time.

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[high fly]

California-sized Wets Bank of our very own [cont'd]

Death Metal, we shall see in time whether this may arise.
Given the resentment that arabs feel toward us already, plus the sight of infidels tramping all over their holy land, bringing in porn and the latest from Eminem, and the rantings of their mullahs, I think it is a very real possibility.
An occupation of hundreds of thousands of US troops will give terrorists a target rich environment right at their front door.
Also keep in mind that on the West Bank, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the like have an available recruiting pool of, what, 2 million? In Iraq, the recruiting pool is something like 60 million. The fact that the arabs were better off under Israeli rule is lost on them, just as it will be lost on many of the the Iraqis.
The rosiest of estimates I have seen by unnamed administration officials for a lenghth of occupation is 2 years. I think it will be longer as I think that anyone we install in power or help to get elected will be seen as a puppet of the invaders and will also be a target.
But, we shall see. If after we've been there a year or so and the sceario I have outlined doesn't pan out, I will gladly admit my error. I trust you will do the same.
As for not explaining my point more earlier, I thought it was self evident.


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[Knowledged_one]

Yeah but other then the one attempt on Karazi's life, the afghans have not had alot of trouble with terrorists just infighting among the warlords. So to say that Iraq will experience all of the things you said is false.

you seem to be more of a doomsayer then a point maker, your only purpose it seems is to bring a cloud of doom over things. Yes worst case scenario these things will happen but what is the likelihood. Since the events of 9/11 how many american planes have been hijacked? How many foreign sniper attacks have we had, how many dirty bombs have been exploded in the U.S.

I could say that little green men will blow the earth up because they dont like the fact we drink botteled water that doesnt mean it will happen.

I guess you are trying to get people to look at the worst case scenario in all of this which could be a good thing but the likelihood of these things happening is remote. I would say Israel would be a better target for the terrorists rather then the U.S. which is a world away

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[TheMojoPin]

Yeah but other then the one attempt on Karazi's life, the afghans have not had alot of trouble with terrorists just infighting among the warlords. So to say that Iraq will experience all of the things you said is false.

Because in all honesty, the rest of the tribes and warlords really just don't care about him. The new government is really only acknowledged in about three of the major Afghani cities and the surrounding areas, and where there are US troops. The rest of the country is basically being run regionally by whichever warlord feels he's in charge that week. Must we again point to the fact that Afghanistan exported the highest amount of heroin in its history...in the year AFTER the new government stepped in? Afghanistan has an INKLING of stability now...but it'll be real curious to see how long it could possibly last...what, are we going to keep troops there for years? Decades?

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[Knowledged_one]

But mojo ask yourself this with what is happening in Afghanistan do you think they are better off now or what they had under the taliban?

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[Bestinshow]

In case you haven`t noticed, we were already hit by suicide bombers. We couldn`t have been any more hated by the Arab world before this started. That is why we changed our strategy. The only reason we haven`t been hit by suicide bombers since 9/11 is because we have finally rebuilt our intelligence that the Democrats phased down. we are targets with or without this war. It is not going to be easy but all we can do is hit all the factions that hate us, remove their hold on the rest of the Muslims and show them they we are not against them. They as a whole are targeting us, we are not targeting Muslims.

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I think that all the anti-war folks should read this article written by a former human shield. It says alot about why we are over there.

http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fopinion%2F2003%2F03%2F23%2Fdo230 5.xml

[TheMojoPin]

But mojo ask yourself this with what is happening in Afghanistan do you think they are better off now or what they had under the taliban?

Only in the barest sense of the comparison. It's clear the second we pull out, it all collapses, and another Taliban could just spring up...or something worse...we're essentially stuck there, and no longterm resolutions have been established, yet it seems we've already "moved on." It just doesn't fill me with much confidence that Iraq is going to be handled any better...

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[Bigden]

Iraq and Afghanistan differ alot. One country with a wealth of oil which has been paying for all those f-ing palaces which will soon be dust. The other with alot of dust and some opium. I think Iraq will spring up after Saddam's repression is ended.

[A.J.]

and no longterm resolutions have been established, yet it seems we've already "moved on." It just doesn't fill me with much confidence that Iraq is going to be handled any better...

And that was my biggest concern about this rush to war -- not enough consideration to post-war Iraq.

The only thing I heard is that they're going to use the "MacArthur in Japan model" with Tommy Franks in that role. That's great and I hope it's as successful. However, there are different circumstances:

1) MacArthur learned how to run a country (different from running an army) by watching his father as Military Governor of the Philippines as well as his own relationship with Manuel Quezon (when MacArthur was building the Philippine Army during the 30s).

2) MacArthur had a lot of time to focus on the administration and rebuilding of Japan. Tommy Franks' term as CDRCENTCOM will be up shortly. Who's going to take his place? Will "running Iraq" be a long term job for his successors?

3) Japan is a homogenous society. Iraq is not. A lot of ethnic/religious fighting could spring up much like it did in the former Yugoslavia.

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[high fly]

Some guy named Garner is going to be running the show.
He's got no shot at being another MacArthur.


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[FiveB247]

I think that all the anti-war folks should read this article written by a former human shield. It says alot about why we are over there.

First all you pro-war people say the human shields are a group of idiots and who cares if they get killed. Now they're some voice of reason? Make up your f'in mind who you want to use to prove your point or beliefs.

[spoon]

Most people absorb it and spit it back out at everyone else, we need to be more concious of it.
I couldn't agree more on this subtopic. For example, if I hear "make no mistake" one more fucking time I'll puke. It has been written, on tv biographies, ESPN sportscenter, and many more since Bush used it after 9/11.

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[King Imp]

First all you pro-war people say the human shields are a group of idiots and who cares if they get killed.
No offense Five B, but if you don't like when people generalize you, then please don't do it yourself.

Yes, I am a pro-war person in regards to Saddam, but I have never said the human shields are idiots and don't care if they get killed.

I think we all need to stop using the word all when refering to some people because not ALL of us feel the same way about every topic.


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[FiveB247]

Sorry King Imp...or whichever alter ego or alias you are...haha
You're right... I'll re-phrase my sentence to " those of you who bashed the human shields", which was many from the site in favor of war...


More gooder?

[HBox]

You know, everybody here needs to stop generalizing!





(If you got that on first reading, bravo!)

[King Imp]

Sorry King Imp...or whichever alter ego or alias you are...haha
Sorry to disappoint, but I am who I am. Like I said in a previous post, I came here because the board I usually post on was down for a week.

More gooder?
Yes, much more gooder. :)
See we can all get along without this generalizing bullshit. It's okay to disagree on certain subjects, but to say ALL of one group is against this or that is wrong.

[TheMojoPin]

And that was my biggest concern about this rush to war -- not enough consideration to post-war Iraq.

The only thing I heard is that they're going to use the "MacArthur in Japan model" with Tommy Franks in that role. That's great and I hope it's as successful. However, there are different circumstances:

1) MacArthur learned how to run a country (different from running an army) by watching his father as Military Governor of the Philippines as well as his own relationship with Manuel Quezon (when MacArthur was building the Philippine Army during the 30s).

2) MacArthur had a lot of time to focus on the administration and rebuilding of Japan. Tommy Franks' term as CDRCENTCOM will be up shortly. Who's going to take his place? Will "running Iraq" be a long term job for his successors?

3) Japan is a homogenous society. Iraq is not. A lot of ethnic/religious fighting could spring up much like it did in the former Yugoslavia.

Bing, bang, BOOM. Thanks, AJ. I couldn't agree with your post more than I am now.

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[HBox]

Does anybody else feel uncomfortable that all these recontrcution contracts are being signed already. Shouldn't the new Iraqi government have some say? They're the ones who will have to live with the terms of the contract. Aren't they supposed to be in charge of the new Iraq?

How far are we gonna go with this? Are we gonna sell the naming rights to the new country? Dowe have to look forward to "Network Associates Country"

[A.J.]

Bing, bang, BOOM. Thanks, AJ. I couldn't agree with your post more than I am now.

You've been drinking haven't you? :)

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[TheMojoPin]

You've been drinking haven't you?

Of course not. I ALWAYS think you're the most beautiful pony in the world.

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[silera]

Can you two get a room already?

AJ you better give Mojo a reach around.



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[A.J.]

AJ you better give Mojo a reach around.


Will a tussle suffice instead?



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[TheMojoPin]

HEY!!! I'll play your victim, but NOT your catcher...

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