N. Korea

[reeshy]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81868,00.html

While the world's attention focuses on the Iraqi war, this little nation has been scaring the living shit out of me. The war in Iraq is a forgone conclusion. But these people are the ones who can really cause us trouble.
In the article, it states that the government of North Korea has no fear. I truly believe this. These people have based their political agenda on paranoia and mistrust of every other nation on earth. They sincerely believe that every one is out to get them. Unfortunately, when a psycho believes this, he tends to lash out first before the other person can hurt him.
They have already stated their intentions of a pre-emptive strike if they feel that they are being threatened. They don't have the first concept of diplomacy- only the rule of the gun.
Technically, a state of war still exists between the US and N. Korea - and they still behave that way. This, I believe, is a more serious threat than Iraq could ever be on their best day.
You know, when the Soviet Union ceased to exist, people brreathed a sigh of relief. But I distinctly remember my Dad saying that the fun is only starting!! Boy, was he right!!!

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[TheMojoPin]

That goes double for me. North Korea has been scaring me peeless for months now, and this situation Iraq has done nothing to change that. As much as everyone wants to pretend Saddam is some kind of extremist fanatic (As opposed to the cruel, calculated dictator he is), there's the real deal and then some going nuts with his collection of nukes and porn in North Korea. Yikes.

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[HBox]

North Korea is exactly why I am opposed to the Iraq war. They are more dangerous to us right now. They will be more diffcult to deal with militarily. Kim Jong Il is worse than Hussein.

I don't care that Iraq has violated sanctions for 12 years. The inspections were finally making some progress, and Iraq is not an immediate threat. North Korea is, both to us and our allies. And now, North Korea thinks it has no choice to fight, and now they have months to prepare. And we still continue to do nothing, not militarily or diplomatically.

[The Blowhard]

Just the fact that the Japanese were talking about a premptive on Korea is scary. Tojo lives!

[CaptClown]

I will take N. Korea seriously when they march across the DMZ. They are doing a lot of barking but no real biting. They are used to everyone buyng into the crazy commie image, I ain't going to buy that Wolf ticket. They have no money and no food. Any conventional campaign they embark upon will fall apart if they don't overwhelm their foes in the first couple of weeks. One of the problems with having a million man army is the need to feed them. the old axiom about an army travelling on it's stomach is true. Your army isn't going to do you much if they are starving and week after a couple of weeks.

If the go nuclear, the Korea Pennisula will become the Korean Islands.

If they sell their nukes, they will lose the support of China and South Korea will probably give up on reunification.

Please don't look at the Shih Tzu behind the Bamboo curtain petending to be an Akita.

[HBox]

CaptClown, we can't just wait until they nuke us. That is the ultimate fear, and nuking them into the ocean will do nothing to repair what they did. We have to do SOMETHING NOW. What about the argument that we can't wait for the smoking gun, because that means we were already shot? I could substitute Iraq for North Korea in your argument and most of it would still be true. What I don't understand is how we could do nothing at all.

[ADF]

All Kim Jong Il wants is some more food to feed his army so he can stay in power. He'll rattle his sword a little and we'll eventually give him some measure of what he wants (under the political table). They're so desperately poor in North Korea that it's pathetic.

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[CaptClown]

CaptClown, we can't just wait until they nuke us.
They won't. They wouldn't survive the retaliation
That is the ultimate fear, and nuking them into the ocean will do nothing to repair what they did.
Not retaliating would be perceived as a sign of weakness.

We have to do SOMETHING NOW.
No we don't, because we will end up in the same situation again in a few years. I for one ant to nip this in the bud. If you let them continue to use Extortion it will never end.
What about the argument that we can't wait for the smoking gun, because that means we were already shot? I could substitute Iraq for North Korea in your argument and most of it would still be true. What I don't understand is how we could do nothing at all.
They are different situations, the only thing even remotely similar in either situation is the WMDs. You can get a peaceful situation with North Korea without going to war and giving in to Extortion, there goes that word again.

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This message was edited by CaptClown on 3-23-03 @ 12:02 AM

[curtoid]

North Korea has actually been fucking with Japan for awhile now, itching for a conflict,
which puts China in a really BAD situation because Japan has actually become a
financial ally w/ China, while North Korea gives China nothing but grief. Yet, if China
does pull out of supporting N. Korea, then things really will explode there - it's
impossible to imagine that China is actually providing humanitarian support to another
country, but they are and if they finally give up on North Korea, then that crazy little
bastard will have nothing left to lose.

North Korea really is an evil nation - millions of their citizens are put in "work camps"
where they are often tortured and killed. When the world finally catches up and finds
out what's really gone on in there, the estimated human loss will more than likely put
it at the top of the list of worst acts of genocide the world has ever known. The
numbers will be too much to wrap our minds around.

Too bad they don't have oil, then maybe we could do something to liberate them too.

Don't sleep on Columbia, though! Columbia might actually be the next mess we get
dragged into, even before we go back to Asia.

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[HBox]

They won't. They wouldn't survive the retaliation


That's your opinion. I'm not willing to take that chance. And NK attacking (non-nuclear) the South or Japan is a very real possiblity, and would only drag us into a long, bloody war that could have been avoided. Plus, if Jong Il is on the verge of losing control, I think all of his nukes are as good as launched.

Also, a lot of South Korea wouldn't survive that kind of retaliation, which means either we would try something else or we have to live with a lot of innocents dead.

Not retaliating would be perceived as a sign of weakness.


My only point is that we don't want that situation.

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Don't worry people, I heard France is going to take care of this problem? Ahhhhahahaha!

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[spoon]

The following post from another thread applies here. It goes as follows:
[quote]from chronwatch.com

You asked why I support the war. You wanted to understand why now, and why with Iraq rather than other, equally noxious, tyrants. In this letter, I'll try to cover what this war is about and what it isn't about.

This isn't a war about American blood for Iraqi oil. The United States and Great Britain have maintained sanctions on Iraqi oil since 1991 in the face of European and Asian opposition. If we had wanted Iraqi oil, as our oil companies have lobbied for years, we could have simply lifted sanctions and bought it.

It is a war brought about by blood for oil, however. One of the reasons Iraq poses a threat is because of its oil revenues and what they have bought and can buy. In the hands of a megalomaniacal dictator, oil revenues purchased the technology, built the infrastructure, and produced biological weapons like anthrax and smallpox and chemical weapons like VX nerve agent and mustard gas. There is blood for oil here but it is on the hands of the French and Germans who sold Saddam Hussein the technology and equipment so he could gas thousands of his own Kurdish citizens. There is blood for oil, the blood of thousands of Iranians, Kuwaitis, and Iraqi Shia Moslems who died under the treads of Hussein's tanks, and armored personnel carriers or who were machine-gunned or blown apart by attack helicopters. This blood is on the hands of the Russians and Chinese who sold him these things. To know Hussein, his methods, and goals, and to build a nuclear reactor for him, as the French did at Osirik, makes you his accomplice not just a trading partner.

He invaded Iran. He invaded Kuwait. He gassed Iranians. He gassed Kurds. On retreating from Kuwait, his army set fire to every oil well they could reach creating the greatest ecological disaster in Mid-East history. He will use every weapon in his arsenal. When he develops atomic weapons, he will use them. If he had atomic weapons now, he would use them on our troops. If we wait until he obtains them, he will use them on our troops and on his neighbors. This war is happening now, specifically because he is close to developing them. He has the means and the motive, and all he lacks is time. We cannot await this inevitability.

For all its dictatorial dysfunction, does the Middle East deserve to be under the nuclear thumb of one murdering tyrant? Do we wait for the illicit transfer of a backpack nuke to a terrorist organization who walks it into Los Angeles or New York or on a container ship coming into Oakland? Containment only works with rational governments and leaders who pay the price for their aggression. It doesn't work with stateless, suicidal Islamofacist terrorists.

This is not a threat you can see or touch now. This is frustrating for most Americans. But when you can see it or touch it, it will be too late to act. A new era was ushered in by the attacks of September 11, 2001. As you know, my wife was in Manhattan on 9/11 and watched the second plane hit the World Trade Center. She smelled the ozone and dust in the air, wondering if chemical or biological weapons were there as well. Even now, we have friends who will not go into Manhattan. How many other attacks in how many other cities must we endure? Is this the type of world we are consigned to live in? Do you want to live in a world like this? Do you want your children to live in a world like this?

Some say that North Korea is a more immediate threat. Is their motive to face one threat or avoid facing another? North Korea is an isolated, bankrupt ghost of Stalinism whose people are reducing to eating tree bark to stay alive. They will soon collapse on their own.

Some say that we must have the sanction of the United Nations. Where were these people during the Yugoslavian war, the Haitian intervention, or the Somalia debacle? Their vision ends at America's shores. Their signs and chants offer no viable alternative. They linger on hatred of the U.S. president because their arguments are int

[reeshy]

http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm

Here's another little tidbit straight from the horse's mouth. I know what some people have said previously in this thread about "saber-rattling" but somehow this feels different this time. Like in my old line of work-if a guy is brandishing a handgun and he is threatening to use, well then, I better do something about it. I've got to believe him. It's more or less been confirmed that the North Koreans have a few little nukes tucked away and it's my humble opinion that these miscreants are very capable of using them.

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[CaptClown]

Why would Kim Jong Il go to war and lose what power he tenuously(sp) holds now? The South Korean Army is nearly as large and has better weapons. With some of the family reunifications his own people are seeing how well their relatives in the South are doing compared to themselves. It is just a matter of time before the last true Stalinist regime crumbles and that is what Kim Jong Il is trying to forestall with these bad kung fu movie villain tactics. If the US caves on this the situation will come up again in another 5-10 years.

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[Captain Rooster]

the government of North Korea has no fear.


Reeshy, this is the truth. They have nothing to lose. Their people are eating grass while they develop nukes.

An old saying: never get into a fight with a man who has nothing to lose when you have everything to lose.



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[CaptClown]

The N Korean government fears their own people turning on them.

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[TheMojoPin]

Why would Kim Jong Il go to war and lose what power he tenuously(sp) holds now?

Insert "Saddam" instead of "Kim Jong Il", and it's like looking in a mirror!

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Since when is a Falcrum editorial factual GOLD? What the fuck is wrong with the world today?

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[CaptClown]

Insert "Saddam" instead of "Kim Jong Il", and it's like looking in a mirror!

Actually no it's not because they have different motivations.

Saddam doesn't really have a need to Extort money and fuel to keep his little regime from crumbling.

Kim Jong Il is basically a 2nd tier villain from a 3rd rate gang in 4th rate Kung Fu action theater with 5th rate kung fu skills. His whole argument is, "If you do not pay me protection, I will be forced to destroy your beautiful shoooooopppp." He has more to lose if he actually went to war. He will calm down after is little fit.
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[HBox]

Kim Jong Il is basically a 2nd tier villain from a 3rd rate gang in 4th rate Kung Fu action theater with 5th rate kung fu skills. His whole argument is, "If you do not pay me protection, I will be forced to destroy your beautiful shoooooopppp." He has more to lose if he actually went to war. He will calm down after is little fit.



No. He is just as much a threat as Saddam. The supposed threat from Saddam having WMDs was that he didn't have to use them, he would sell them to terrorists and they would use them. Kim Jong Il would do just the same. And if you don't believe me, you obviously forgot when we intercepted a boat load of North Korean missiles headed towards Yemen. Kim Jong Il is a bigger threat than Saddam. He has nuclear weapons. If the terrorists for some reason don't want them he could sell them nuclear material from his newly reopened nuclear reactor, so that the terrorists could construct a dirty bomb or their own custom nuclear bomb. So he doesn't have to go to war, he doesn't even have to use them himself.

The only difference between North Korea and Iraq is that North Korea has nuclear weapons NOW. We have to do SOMETHING, because leaving an extremely poor nation alone with nuclear weapons is just suicide. They'd be more than willing to accept Al Qaeda money.

But that Kung fu analogy is cute.

[CaptClown]

If Kim Jong Il does any of that he will be committing literal and figurative suicide. No more power, no glamour, no money just death.

If it bothers you we can always hit him with an E-bomb, which wil do no damage to people or buildings but will fry electrical and electronic equipment. No loss of life and a nuke sitting in a silo that won't open is useless.

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[HBox]

If Kim Jong Il does any of that he will be committing literal and figurative suicide. No more power, no glamour, no money just death.


If he sells a nuke to terrorists and they use it, how are we supposed to know? You can't analyze nuclear dust. Even if there were a chance to see the missile before it was detonated, what if he just sells nuclear material. I really don't understand why you are willing to take a chance with Kim Jong Il and not Saddam.

[TheMojoPin]

If Kim Jong Il does any of that he will be committing literal and figurative suicide. No more power, no glamour, no money just death.

But that's the argument many have used for Saddam...the second he uses on of his WMD's, he KNOWS he'd be gone...no offers of surrender like now, he'd be dead in no time flat. His relative inaction in the last 12 years had done more than show this...and his unwillingness to use the WMD's outside of his own borders or the legitimate conflict with Iran.

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[CaptClown]

Here is an interesting development in the North Korean situation that will probably fly below the radar for most.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20030401-67207317.htm

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[high fly]

As to how the NoKos will respond to the SoKo's overtures is anyone's guess. The more I read on Kim Jong Il, the more I shake my head ruefully and imagine that it would make a good sci-fi thriller.


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[NewYorkDragons80]

Wow, the ignorance of some astounds me. I used to think that we weren't giving sufficient attention to the North Korean situation, but when my brother got sent to South Korea along with tens of thousands of other Amercian troops, I realized that we are giving them the proper attention and the administaration simply didn't want to call attention to it.

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[HBox]

Somebody oughta tell them we're supposed to be talking to the NORTH Koreans.

But in all seriousness, I'm glad we are doing something. I just hope we don't end up in another war. I mean our plate is so full, Iraq, Syria, Iran.

[TheMojoPin]

Wow, the ignorance of some astounds me. I used to think that we weren't giving sufficient attention to the North Korean situation, but when my brother got sent to South Korea along with tens of thousands of other Amercian troops

When was this? We normally just have around 20,000 there...I've heard estimates in the past weeks that it's up to around 40,000-50,000, but maybe it's even more by now...

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I'll try to see if my brother can get an exact number and get back to you when I can.

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[high fly]

And who knows what the hell Bush will do.
When the NoKos announced their nuke program a while back, first he takes the military option off the table, later he puts it back on.
Then he says he won't talk to them, then he says he will, but the Aussies have got to be included.


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[LiquidCourage]

North Korea doesn't scare me.
As long as we don't start a sudden mass build up of troops in South Korea, I think they won't do anything.

North Korea couldn't start any serious attack against us. They're too far away, and they don't have any bases nearby. They could launch a minor attack and destroy some stuff, but that's about it. They're 8,000 miles across an ocean with no bases in sight.

[LiquidCourage]

"We have to do SOMETHING NOW"

Oh, so you're enlisting now?

[TheMojoPin]

North Korea doesn't scare me.
As long as we don't start a sudden mass build up of troops in South Korea, I think they won't do anything.

North Korea couldn't start any serious attack against us. They're too far away, and they don't have any bases nearby. They could launch a minor attack and destroy some stuff, but that's about it. They're 8,000 miles across an ocean with no bases in sight.

Just to present this to the masses (Not just picking on LC)...if you agree with this argument, do you also feel that Iraq WAS a threat to us? Remember, NK has threatened recently that they can "strike at Americans anywhere in the world," just like many say Saddam could and might have done down the line...

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[LiquidCourage]

I never really bought into the whole "Iraq is a threat" argument. I never really felt any way on the issue, which is weird because I seem to have an opinion on everything.

I guess I look for the best in a situation and say "Well if we'll get rid of this piece of shit, then okay."

[LiquidCourage]

Most people who are pro-war go with the argument of "What if Saddam hands over his bio/chem weapons to a terrorist organization!?!?"

I think that whole argument is bullshit.

[TheMojoPin]

I guess I look for the best in a situation and say "Well if we'll get rid of this piece of shit, then okay."

Me too.

But when it involves gambling with people's LIVES, and the lives of AMERICANS, it pisses me off.

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[HBox]

Here's a great article about North Korea. It gives a load of insight into how North Koreans thinks, and how they are communcating with the U.S. It's very ineteresting and informative. It seems North Korea probably doesn't have nukes right now, and never actually said they did.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/904998.asp?0cv=CB20

[LiquidCourage]

North Korea is full of shit.
Ask any South Korean this.
Every few years this guy throws a little fit, the world gives him what he wants, and then he calms down.

[schmega]

right now Il's the guy who sticks out his finger in his pocket claiming its a gun, trying to rob you so he can feed his family or do whatever the fuck with the money. he's small potatoes, and he still answers to beijing. and those shifty fucks want our money. they sure as hell dont need some hungry-ass koreans fuckin it up. on top of that, beijing's too busy trying to hide their SARS patients. north korea's in no position to make demands, and phantom nukes wont give them any leverage.

now, if they did have them, well... god save the south koreans and the japanese. and americans within range. but i dont think Il's desperate enough to something so suicidal.

[Yerdaddy]

These people have based their political agenda on paranoia and mistrust of every other nation on earth. They sincerely believe that every one is out to get them. Unfortunately, when a psycho believes this, he tends to lash out first before the other person can hurt him.
They have already stated their intentions of a pre-emptive strike if they feel that they are being threatened. They don't have the first concept of diplomacy- only the rule of the gun.
Wait. Which country are we talking about again?

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[HBox]

I guess what I still don't and may never understand is the difference between North Korea and Iraq. North Korea has more dangerous weapons, a stronger army, a more oppressed people, sells weapons to terrorists and is a bigger threat to its neighbors. I really do think the difference has to do with racism. Rightfully or not, I think we are more likely to believe that an Arab dictator would be willing to risk his country and his tenuous grip of power for a terrorist strike against us than someone else would. I hope this line of thinking doesn't bite us in the ass some day.

[Bergalad]

The difference lies not in their strengths, but in their weaknesses. Iraq had a smaller army and was less of a threat to the US, yet they had plenty of time to grow and become more dangerous. Although Iraq was under "sanctions" look how easily they got around them (the oil pipeline to Syria, all the hidden cash from the Bank of Jordan). Sanctions didn't stop Saddam from progressing his technology or threat, it only (through his actions) hurt the populace. NK does not have a stable regime. They are on the verge of starvation, have no exports besides weapon technology for income (which begs the question, what if Iraq didn't have the illegal oil profits...would Saddam have begun visibly selling weapons to terrorists then? Oh yes.) and need outside assistance to survive. The US can use a different approach to NK because NK is dependent upon China to exist. Iraq wasn't configured this way, and since sanctions weren't working, forcible removal of that government was acceptable. All that being said, we should really find a way to take care of NK once and for all. Getting threatened every few years by them has grown very old. Now they say they do have nukes...it's just a matter of time.

[TheMojoPin]

Iraq had a smaller army and was less of a threat to the US, yet they had plenty of time to grow and become more dangerous.

If this last month has taught us anything, it's that the last 12 years have been very, very UNkind to Iraq.

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[LiquidCourage]

I really do think the difference has to do with racism.



*dumbest post ever*


Maybe you forgot about North Korea's little 1.5 million man army.

You know, the one they spend 30% of their GDP on?

[HBox]

*dumbest post ever*


Maybe you forgot about North Korea's little 1.5 million man army.

You know, the one they spend 30% of their GDP on?



They have WMDs, and they sell them to terrorists. It demands action no matter what kind of army they have, especially with the precedent we have set with Iraq. Invading North Korea, if neccessary, is within our abilities. How hard it turns out to be is irrelevant. If threat is great enough to justify war (if we had enough justification against Iraq we sure as hell have enough against NK) we need to do it.

[LiquidCourage]

Key words being "if neccessary."


No matter how similar the circumstances, it doesn't matter. It's North Korea.

Just because we would win doesn't mean we should wage WW3 and lose 150,000 or so Americans.

[canofsoup15]

Once people hear something about some little rogue country involving nukes they immediatly shit there pants, me included. But you have to really think about it. North korea, probably doesnt even have a really big nuke, and if they do have it lets look at how they can use it. #1 They would have to launch it at us, but they cant reach more than the state of california, and by the time that happens our missle defense system, or jets will be up there ready to intercept it. #2 he could drop it from a plane, this could be tricky because if someone sees a suspicious plane flying around i guarntee our teror alert ready jets will be right on their ass in no time. #3 Sneak it in , this is possible if done correctly, depending on where he sneaks it in, and if sneaking it in is as hard as airport security then detonating it will be impossible. Keep in mind that even if he launched a nuke, or almost came close to suceeding to do so, he knows, and we know, that the rest of the world would be on his ass so fast bombin the shit out of every relative he has until next century. He can give it to terrorist or other countrie, but theyd have to do one of the 3 steps to get it in as well. See, you have to think about the probability.

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[LiquidCourage]

Once they start testing nukes, then we should worry.

Everybody has to test their nukes.

North Korea is no different.

[HBox]

1 They would have to launch it at us, but they cant reach more than the state of california, and by the time that happens our missle defense system, or jets will be up there ready to intercept it.


We don't have the capability for that yet.

He can give it to terrorist or other countrie, but theyd have to do one of the 3 steps to get it in as well. See, you have to think about the probability.


THEN WHY DID WE INVADE IRAQ?!?!?!?!?!?!

EDIT: Oh yes. Let me throw in this: Did you forget 9/11?

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[LiquidCourage]

We don't have the capability for that yet.

Yes, we do.
It's not 100%, but our missles up in Alaska can shoot down incoming ICBMs.

I believe they go for about 6 out of 10.

[travis151]

N. Korea is yes a threat but can be dealt with in a different way. Politics is a bitch and countries as in China, Japan, S. Korea, Australia, and Russia also have to get invovled. N. Korea economic situation is in big trouble they need money to try to kick start it. The reason N. Korea wants to talk now is because what and how he conducted ourselves in Iraq. N. Korea is smart enough to understand that the U.S. is sick and tired of threats by unstable nations. I do think N. Korea has nukes but they would never use them, remember even though China is some what of a allie to N.K. they don't want nukes lighting up their skies either. N.K. is desperate and instead of asking for help with their economy they decide to throw out threats. The situation will be disfused "Peacefully".

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[LiquidCourage]

People need to stop buying into North Korea's trash talking.

It's all part of their strategy.

I hear people talking about how "psychotic" North Korea is, and I just think how well their getting people to believe them.

[HBox]

I hear people talking about how "psychotic" North Korea is, and I just think how well their getting people to believe them.


What is the difference between Iraq and North Korea? We fought both of them in a war. They both have had WMDs. They are both oppressive governments. Both were and are actively persuing nukes. Both committed atrocities against their own people and neighbors. Why do we invade Iraq and not North Korea? What made Iraq such a threat that neccessitated war? Why do we believe Saddam would attack us and not North Korea?

Everytime I said I opposed war with Iraq, I had somebody throw 9/11 in my face. So I ask you: Do you remember 9/11? Do we have to wait until Koreans hit us to deal with them?

[Bergalad]

Do you remember 9/11? Do we have to wait until Koreans hit us to deal with them?

Damn Hbox, I didn't know you were a hawk.

[HBox]

Damn Hbox, I didn't know you were a hawk


I'm not. I just see North Korea as a bigger threat than Iraq. So I don't understand how we can use the military in Iraq and not North Korea.

Clearly, we have a lot of diplomacy ahead of us. But I don't understand how some people can brush off North Korea like they wouldn't have the balls to do anything.

[LiquidCourage]

Stop asking the same fucking question for the 100th time.

[HBox]

What's your problem?

[canofsoup15]

I'm not. I just see North Korea as a bigger threat than Iraq. So I don't understand how we can use the military in Iraq and not North Korea.

Clearly, we have a lot of diplomacy ahead of us. But I don't understand how some people can brush off North Korea like they wouldn't have the balls to do anything.


Korea is a trash talker, hes the little kid in the school trying to run with the big boys but he cant cause hes too little, so he just ends up being an attention whore. Now korea may seem insane, but most of its saber-rattling. While Iraq is actively participating in the aid of terrorist, and would probably try to fuck with us whenever the chance they could. Besides, you saw how fucking hard it was to get into iraq, We had to go angainst the U.N. and alot of anti-war protesters and although that was bad, think of the backlash if we just decide to take on North Korea.


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[HBox]

Do you remmeber a couple of months ago when we stopped a boat of North Korean missiles en route to Yemen? Is that not actively supporting terrorism?

[canofsoup15]

That depends on what yemen wanted to do with um, they coulda been just taking it for themselves just incase they ever need um, you dont know. Although, you cant get ENEMY without YEMEN....hmmm

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Shit, if it's going to be that kind of a party
I'm gonna stick my dick in the mashed potatoes

[TheMojoPin]

Stop asking the same fucking question for the 100th time.

Then someone give him a fucking legitimate answer not based in conjecture, heresay and second-guessing.

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[high fly]

How 'bout a poll,: "Who wants to attack the NoKos?

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[Johnathan H Christ]

interesting today how they made it out on fox news that the koreans were just bullshitting to get more money today, and that they will agree to dismantle their nuclear program, and allow inspectors back in. on one hand i believe it, but on the other.... i think that if they really did come up with a few nuclear weapons, they wont get rid of them all. not after they tasted that kind of attention. they'll keep one or two to use as bargening chips should they ever get in a tight spot again.

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[HBox]

I really hate this whole situation. They obviously want money, but do we want to give money to a horrible country like that? On the other hand we can't just ignore them. We can't let a country that sells weapons to terrorists have nukes. But is it worth invading them? A war like that would be much more bloody than Iraq, but we would likely have powerful allies in the region.(SK, Japan) Then again, who knows what China would do? And, of course, NK probably has nukes, and they might be able to reach us, and they certianly would be able to reach SK and Japan.

This whole thing sucks.

[TheMojoPin]

They'd better not get that damn money. What a scummy, scummy shakedown.

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[A.J.]

An interesting article I found that describes Kim Jong Il's involvement in drugs and other criminal activities.

http://www.time.com/time/asia/covers/501030609/story.html?CNN=yes

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[TheMojoPin]

Roy Orbison, NO!!!

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[reeshy]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,92410,00.html

OK- like I have said before, these people scare me! Yes, they have done this before and nothing has come out of it except that they extorted more money out of us to withdraw their troops from the border and have received other incentives to de-escalate. But this time feels different for some reason. They are NOT hiding the fact that they are producing weapons grade plutonium in several plants, Krypton gas has been detected being emitted from their country, they are sending more artillery and troops down to the border and they are getting desperate with their food shortage. I just hope that the government is preparing for the worst while just pretending to be low-key about the whole situation. I think that this matter is just a tad more important right now that,say, Liberia. The government of North Korea has to be treated a little more seriously than what appears to be going on right now.

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[TheMojoPin]

Krypton gas has been detected being emitted from their country

Which has led to all kinds of problems with the food supply...

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[high fly]

Good thing we've got over half of our deployable Army over there in the Persian Gulf, meanwhile Rumsfeld is going ahead with his plans to reduce the Army from 10 divisions to 8.

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This message was edited by high fly on 7-25-03 @ 2:01 PM