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ChickenHawk
03-23-2003, 06:20 PM
HAhaha! That fat fuck! I LOVE everyone who booed!
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shamus mcfitzy
03-23-2003, 06:28 PM
i'm surprised. I would've thought that they would clap like dirty flaming liberals. I knew the guy was going to do that though. Because he needs to be wackzanirific.
Se7en
03-23-2003, 06:29 PM
Ha ha! Fucking tool he is.
I was happy to hear the boos. I was afraid there for a second he'd get cheers.
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Want to lose all credibility in a flash? It's easy, just bring up the 2000 election.
Man, he just couldn't quit it. Even after today when a bunch of troops died and we found chemical weapons. What a douche.
ChickenHawk
03-23-2003, 06:34 PM
Thank God no one cheered. That would've be an atrosity. There are captured troops being beaten, tortured, humiliated, raped, and killed across the world, and he has the fucking GAUL to say the shit he said. What a fat, selfish, heartless, baby. I hope he chokes on a Big Mac.
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FUNKMAN
03-23-2003, 06:38 PM
come on, cut the guy a break, he's a big Grand Funk fan...
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TheMojoPin
03-23-2003, 06:38 PM
Holy GOD, do some of these people even think?!? Calling attention to the 2000 election to try and attack the war just smacks of desperation and diversion. It's a completely seperate issue, and it holds NO place with the war in Iraq. He deserves the boo's. It cheapens BOTH issues.
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I bet londonanders creamed himself listening to Moore.
Did anyone get the feeling Moore lied to all those documentary makers just to get them on stage so it looked like he had support. I doubt any of them knew what was coming.
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fluffernutter
03-23-2003, 06:52 PM
I completely missed it. Can someone possibly explain to me what exactly happened and what was said?
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03-23-2003, 06:53 PM
that's America for you, Freedom Of Speech!
That's what makes America beautiful. You can say what you want, but nobody has to listen to you.
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ChickenHawk
03-23-2003, 06:57 PM
The issue here is not freedom of speech. We know it exists and it's good. The issue is that Michael Moore is a fat, whiney, disrespectful, inconsiderate, out-of-touch, 8-year-old prick.
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I completely missed it. Can someone possibly explain to me what exactly happened and what was said?
First he said some crap about how documentaries were real, and that we have a fake president and we are fighting a fake war. The rest was muffled out by boos.
I really wish it was a fake war.....
Death Metal Moe
03-23-2003, 07:03 PM
I completely missed it. Can someone possibly explain to me what exactly happened and what was said?
Totally Fluffernutter. I mean I KNEW they were on and checked out like 2 minutes of it because some chick had a tight, see through shirt on, but after that I was all like "FLIP!"
Could someone please give a short summation of the events for the rest of us?
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ChickenHawk
03-23-2003, 07:10 PM
For those who missed it:
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Politics grabbed center stage at the Academy Awards on Sunday as the winner for best documentary, director Michael Moore, charged President Bush with waging a "fictitious war."
Wagging his finger from the stage as he was both applauded and booed by the assembled celebrities, Moore said, "We are against this war, Mr. Bush. Shame on you."
Moore won for "Bowling for Columbine," a provocative film on the roots of gun violence in America, whose title refers to the Colorado high school where two students massacred 13 people before killing themselves in 1999.
Moore, who received a standing ovation from the assembled celebrities, invited the other nominees for best documentary film to join him onstage in solidarity against the war against Iraq.
"We like nonfiction and we live in fictitious times. We live in a time where we have fictitious election results, that elect a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons," Moore said.
Oscar host Steve Martin joked after Moore finished speaking that "the Teamsters are helping Mr. Moore into the trunk of his limo."
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Meatball
03-23-2003, 07:11 PM
i knew that fat piece of shit would spout off - i even started a thread about it earlier todau called "academy aWARds" saying how i hate that actors would use this forum for their politics.
and thats what bothers me most..if moore got on Larry King or Crossfire its one thing..but THIS ISNT THE FORUM For your crapola.
lets hope the boos stifle the other idiots tonight
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fluffernutter
03-23-2003, 07:25 PM
Thanks for the input.
From being a fan of Moore's for quite some time I do see that sometimes he does beat a horse dead. On the other hand I have been personally moved by many of his documentaries. He may not agree with what is happening but this was neither the time nor place.
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Death Metal Moe
03-23-2003, 07:26 PM
Didn't you guys know that we all care what these smug fuckers think about everything?
If he hadn't come along I wasn't sure what my opinion would have been!
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fezident
03-24-2003, 04:41 AM
BOOED OFF STAGE?????
I must've been watching a different broadcast. I thought the audiences' reaction was somewhat mixed. I definitely heard some clapping and cheering.
Personally.... I dont give a rats ass aboot celebrities personal opinions, but I thought it was cool that Michael Moore did something unpredictable.
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grandzu
03-24-2003, 10:21 AM
From what I heard and read the booing started when the orchestra tried to drown him out at the end of his speech.
And as far as the elections, we should not just forget it. It was a travesty and if we don't learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it.
Oh and we found chemical weapons
we found a chemical factory that did not even contain chemicals.
(Ssshhhhh) Don't believe the hype.
FiveB247
03-24-2003, 10:35 AM
Honestly, whether you like him or hate Michael Moore. Wouldn't you rather hear someone saying either absurd things or things you believe, then hear "I'd like to thank so-and-so", and all that boring hoopla? You could honestly make one sound clip of every award speech ever and replay it with 'fill in person name' here spots. Those f'ers all just sit around and kiss each others asses. Everyone simply watches to see who wins and what they are wearing. Nothing else.
angrymissy
03-24-2003, 10:57 AM
Bowling for Columbine is crap. Michael Moore edited the hell out of it to support his agenda (as he always does), including using two speeches from Charlton Heston that were given a year apart, which he edited together to make them look like one long speech that was insensitive to the Columbine victim's families. His point in the movie? People own guns because they're scared of low-income black people and are greedy bastards who want to protect their property. Bullshit. Michael Moore will flat out lie in his movies, and distort cold hard numbers and facts to support his agenda. He did the same thing in his film Stupid White Men. It's been proven numerous times (do a search on google).
I have actually had (unfortunately) a first hand experience with this man. I used to work for an employment agency, and for some reason he decided to do an expose on them (back when he had that television show). He tried to bum rush through the security in the building, and when he was asked to leave, he refused and shoved camera's in people's faces until they were visibily upset. Of course, that is what was shown in the "expose". He had to be forcibly removed from the offices. I was only 18 then, and it was a goddamned scary experience. In my mind, he is nothing better than a tabloid reporter.
Personally, I think his outburst at the Oscars did nothing to help his cause, it just made him look like a nutcase. What a great thing for him to get up and rant about while we have 12 soldiers being beaten and paraded around on Arab television. Hey, as long as he generates enough of a media buzz to get his next book deal, who cares?
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cozmokramer
03-24-2003, 11:41 AM
Well that was the night where I lost respect for him. I personally liked 'Bowling for Columbine' some parts were unecessary and irrelevant, but the rest wasn't bad at all.
I read "Downsize This!" and saw that he is really a liberal and nothing but a democrat, yet he tried to portray himself as being equal to everything...wrong, but I still liked him.
THEN CAME LAST NIGHT...Bad Move, Bad Move.
He could've accepted it saying "this is for all the little black girls" and still got a unpredictable point across, but nooooooo. He has to say something wrong at the wrong time under the wrong circumstances
Wouldn't you rather hear someone saying either absurd things or things you believe, then hear "I'd like to thank so-and-so", and all that boring hoopla?
You are very right, and that is the most positive thing I cant say about last night's ordeal...I was honostley surprised.
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03-24-2003, 11:50 AM
The bigger question here is why would anyone want to watch the Oscars in the first place. Sadly, there were probably more people in attendance who agreed with Moore, but were smart enough to keep their mouths shut.
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03-24-2003, 12:11 PM
Want to lose all credibility in a flash? It's easy, just bring up the 2000 election.
or be 'elected' in it....
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So now Hollywood boos the anti war crowd? Wow. What will all of the Bush people do now?
Wish I'd seen it....wait, no I don't. The Oscars are gay.
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03-24-2003, 02:59 PM
Angrymissy, you are pro-gun? You are a die-hard libertarian.
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angrymissy
03-24-2003, 04:03 PM
You are a die-hard libertarian
Nah I looked into that too. I don't really fit into any labelled political party.
I wouldn't call myself Pro-Gun per se. I own a rifle. I go target shooting sometimes. I keep it in my closet in case someone breaks in. I'm in favor of some restrictions on guns. I believe that you should have to get a background check and that for some guns there should be a waiting period. If you're not using the gun for illegal purposes then it shouldn't matter to you.
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03-24-2003, 04:14 PM
People who still dwell on th 2000 election are just bringing
it up to divert an argument away from their own losing
side.
And I can honestly say I HAVE NEVER seen on of this shit
head's movies, and I certianly will not now.
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shamus mcfitzy
03-24-2003, 04:23 PM
but I thought it was cool that Michael Moore did something unpredictable.
i knew it was gonna happen. I herad he was nominated for an oscar, figured that the flaming liberals in hollywood would give him one, and was waiting for him to say something. And i was disappointed. Because he's a smart guy, but he brought up the war when soldiers were being beaten. So screw him. I did hear that Bowling for Columbine was good, including a scene where he opens up an account at a bank and gets an honorary rifle or something. So he deserves an oscar just like roman polanski does....they're both good filmmakers who made mistakes.
And i think that the 2000 election will always be an issue. It will be compared to the Hayes-Tilden election, which showed that the electoral college had problems, and it will be brought up the next time we have a really close election just as that election was brought up three years ago. I don't think there's a statute of limitation on how long something applies in politics. I think it has as much relevance as the Hayes-Tilden election, but that's just because I don't like either Bush or Gore.
Se7en
03-24-2003, 04:26 PM
Just thought I'd post this, for anyone who might be a fan of Moore, or have enjoyed his little tirade yesterday for anything other than comedic reasons.
It's a good read. From a guy I know, who aptly points out the glaring inaccuracies, if not outright fallacies, in Moore's work.
[quote]"I agree with the National Rifle Association when they say, 'Guns don't kill people, people kill people,' " he told NBC's "Today" show. "Except I would alter that to say, 'Guns don't kill people, Americans kill people.' We're the only country that does this, and we do it on an personal level in our neighborhoods and within our families and our schools, and we do it on a global level. The American attitude is that we believe we have a right to just go in and bomb another country. This is where Bush is going right now, right?"
"The first misconception to correct about Michael Moore's The Big One is that it is a documentary. It's not. Moore doesn't make those. As was proven after the release of Moore's debut, Roger & Me, the director uses real people, places, and circumstances, then stages events (see Harlan Jacobson's piece in the November/ December 1989 Film Comment for more details). Reality - a fragile commodity in any "fact-based" motion picture - takes a back seat to what will play well on a movie screen. As a result, it's best to consider Moore's films as entries into the ever-growing category of pseudo (or "meta") documentaries. Or, perhaps even more accurately, view it as an exercise in self-publicity. "
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Some Factoids about His "Documentary"
--- A Lockheed Martin factory in Littleton manufactures "weapons of mass destruction," Mr. Moore claims. The factory actually makes rockets that carry TV satellites into space.
Moore's website has his response:
"Well, first of all, the Lockheed PR people would disagree with your use of the term, "missile." They now call their Titan and Atlas missiles on which nuclear warheads were once (and still are but in less numbers) attached, "rockets." That's because the Lockheed rockets now take satellites into outer space. Some of them are weather satellites, some are telecommunications satellites, and some are top secret Pentagon projects (like the ones that are launched as spy satellites and others which are used to direct the launching of the nuclear missiles should the USA ever decide to use them). "
Nice try, Mike.
(1) Yes, some Titans and Atlases (54 of them) were used as ICBM launchers -- they were deactivated 25 years ago, long before the Columbine killers were born;
(2) the fact that some are spy satellites which might be "used to direct the launching" (i.e., because they spot nukes being launched at the United States) is hardly what Moore was suggesting in the movie... it's hard to envision a killer making a moral equation between mass murder and a recon satellite, right?
(3) In fact, one of that plant's major projects was the ultimate in beating swords into plowshares: the Denver plant was in charge of taking the Titan missiles which originally had carried nuclear warheads, and converting them to launch communications satellites and space exploration units instead.
--- And the very title of Mr. Moore's film is based on a deception. It refers to the bowling class that the Columbine killers supposedly took the morning they committed their murders. The only problem is that they actually cut the class.
--- Fact: Heston's "cold dead hands" speech, which leads off Moore's depiction of the Denver meeting, was not given at Denver after Columbine. It was given a year later in Charlotte, North Carolina, and was a response to his being given the musket, a collector's piece, at that annual meeting. Bowling leads off with this speech, and then splices in footage which was taken in Denver and refers to Denver, to create the impression that the entire clip was taken at the Denver event.
Fact: When Bowling continues on to the speech which Heston did give in Denver, it carefully edits it to change its theme.
Moore's fabrication here cannot be
TheMojoPin
03-24-2003, 09:31 PM
Just thought I'd post this, for anyone who might be a fan of Moore, or have enjoyed his little tirade yesterday for anything other than comedic reasons.
In the hopes of what?
"Columbine" was a HUGE letdown, as was "Stupid White Men" and "The Awful Truth", but I'll always love "Roger & Me", "TV Nation" and "Downsize This!". Regardless of the tactics, the intentions of "Roger" are noble. Unless the economic decimation of an American town by a massive corporation trying to save a few bucks is just fine and dandy. And "Downsize" made no secret of his political leanings. He NEVER has, and anyone even remotely suprised at ANY point that he's a liberal is just living in a fantasy land. I just liked Michael Moore better when he targeted large corporations for what they did to the "little guys" that made them all their money. But then he decided to become yet another politcal pundit, and he became useless.
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Se7en
03-25-2003, 07:19 AM
In the hopes of what?
There are some who hold Moore in good regard. Others, on this board I even belief, have praised his "documentaries" in the past (unless I'm in error).
I'm just trying to show that the man goes beyond even being biased or subjective - he's actively LYING to his audience and trying to pass it off as the truth. That offends me.
I'm not sure anyone here would necessarily buy into his bullshit, I just posted this so people could see a little more about the kind of person he REALLY is.
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TheMojoPin
03-25-2003, 08:18 AM
It's not really a "shocking" expose. Despite what some may think, he's NEVER presented himself as an "objective documentarian"...in each of his films he clearly states what he's going for and that he's going to be "ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING" and he'll do whatever it takes to get his point across...
But there IS a drastic difference in his earlier, big-business oriented works and his latest films and shows. "Roger & Me", "The Big One" and "TV Nation" worked because the people he was targeting basically would make asses of themselves on camera. All he had to do was ask a question they couldn't answer without sounding like greedy assholes, and boom, he had his sound bite. He didn't really have to push buttons. The subjects proved what he was saying about them themselves.
But then he shifted into political pundit mode with "Columbine" and "The Awful Truth", and he clearly went on the attack. Whereas in the past he could basically push a few buttons on the issue and just let the cameras roll, he was now going out of his way to prove that he and ONLY he was right in whatever issue he was attacking/defending. Instead of just being more of a "participating guide", he became an active instigator, and in my opinion, his work suffered. His older works had a brilliant sense of comedic timing, which is why I really did and still do enjoy them greatly...nowadays he just wants to beat you over the head until you're senseless and you're mindlessly repeating whatever he wants you to say. Where's the funny?!?
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Contra
03-26-2003, 02:15 PM
wow, i can really relate on this issue. not only about mike moore, but the film industry in general.
its my workplace, its what i surround myself in every day. i really never noticed how liberal the industry was till this war came about. not just all the celebs on TV and what not, but right where i work. example...
the other day i was on set (i'm a script supervisor at the moment) and while setting up the next shot and we were watching some of the war news on TV. i made a comment to the effect of "i'm glad the war is finally happening and we are getting that horrible guy out of there". after that, silence...and i looked around, nothing but blank stares looking back at me. it was an...awkward 30 seconds to say the least.
the thing is some people feel the way i do and just keep their mouth shut. i know this because one of the writers was driving me to port authority after the shoot, and he said that he agreed with me, but didnt want to say anything. i could have called him a coward, but i could tell he felt a little bad for leaving me out to dry like that so i didnt. i really dont give a fuck what people think and i will say what i want when i want. sure that is going to hurt me with some business, but i'm not about to comprimise my beliefs for a job, i never did and i've already been fired for it once.
of course after the oscars everyone on set was praising moore and denouncing the "idiots that booed him". i just said that yeah i didnt like the results of the election but the war is necessary and saddam needs to be taken out for the sake of those people.
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03-26-2003, 02:34 PM
He's a fat fuck. Him and Rage Against the Machine should have gotten beaten in that video of their's he directed.
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Se7en
03-26-2003, 02:43 PM
It's not really a "shocking" expose. Despite what some may think, he's NEVER presented himself as an "objective documentarian"...in each of his films he clearly states what he's going for and that he's going to be "ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING" and he'll do whatever it takes to get his point across...
He won the award for best documentary for Columbine, right?
You're not at least a little offended that he won an award for a documentary that was more fabrication than truth?
I'm not outraged by it or anything. But at the same time, I kind of find it ridiculous.
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JerryTaker
03-26-2003, 02:52 PM
He won the award for best documentary for Columbine, right?
You're not at least a little offended that he won an award for a documentary that was more fabrication than truth?
I'm offended by the Oscars, period.
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FiveB247
03-26-2003, 08:25 PM
Him and Rage Against the Machine should have gotten beaten in that video of their's he directed.
Why is that?
TheMojoPin
03-26-2003, 10:38 PM
You're not at least a little offended that he won an award for a documentary that was more fabrication than truth?
I'm more offended by the fact it one and it really wasn't that remarkable. But that being said, pretty much all documentaries are skewed towards the goals and politics of the filmmaker. His just a little bit too much.
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(2003-03-27) -- Academy-award winning filmmaker Michael Moore said his next documentary will chronicle how Iraq's lax gun-control laws have turned a peaceful Islamic republic into a cauldron of death and destruction.
The film, "Saddam and Me," will capture Mr. Moore's misadventures and witty banter as he attempts to ask the Iraqi president to ban personal ownership of firearms.
"Every nation that allows individuals to own guns will eventually wind up like Iraq," said Mr. Moore. "The gun culture encourages violence. Most Iraqis own personal firearms, and look what's happening over there. Children are dying. It's just like Columbine."
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TheMojoPin
03-28-2003, 10:20 AM
I could fart in my hand and throw it at people and it would be a more reasoned, sound argument than anything Moore could ever dream of these days.
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King Imp
03-28-2003, 10:29 AM
This really pissed me off. I found it at one of those anti-war rally sites.
WBAI is hosting an "An Evening of Resistance to War on Iraq" at the Riverside Church tonight at 7:00pm with Academy Award winning director Michael Moore and many other heroes of the antiwar.
Heroes? HEROES?!?!
No bitch, the real heroes are the ones fighting overseas for your fucking freedom! How fucking dare they use that term like that!
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TheMojoPin
03-28-2003, 10:49 AM
Well, it didn't say they were "heroes" all-around, it said they were "heroes of the anti-war movement"...which to some, they are. Lord only knows why, but still, calm down a little...the US army doesn't have a copyright on the word "hero"...they weren't comparing one to the other.
You're talking like it's not cool if I say, "my dad is my hero" or say ANYONE else is a hero besides the troops. Be cool, my friend. Not everyone is out to get the troops...it's not healthy to try and make so much negativity and hostility where there isn't any to begin with.
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God, I wish I can remember where I saw that article this morning in which Moore talked about this and his next project: "Fahrenheit 911" -- which claims that Bush is "using the dead of 911 as an excuse to push forward his conservative agenda".
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03-28-2003, 10:56 AM
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legroommusic
03-28-2003, 10:58 AM
looks like michael moore is michael less than he thought he was at oscar, gegege.
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Tall_James
03-28-2003, 11:06 AM
But that being said, pretty much all documentaries are skewed towards the goals and politics of the filmmaker.
In Ken Burns' "The Civil War" he had the North win and giant robots fighting for the Confederacy. I thought that was a bit much.
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In Ken Burns' "The Civil War" he had the North win and giant robots fighting for the Confederacy. I thought that was a bit much.
And then there was that "dream sequence" where Mary Todd Lincoln, thinking her husband had been killed, woke up to find him taking a shower.
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God, I wish I can remember where I saw that article this morning in which Moore talked about this and his next project: "Fahrenheit 911" -- which claims that Bush is "using the dead of 911 as an excuse to push forward his conservative agenda".
Found it:
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/news/0327story4_news.shtml
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TheMojoPin
03-28-2003, 04:12 PM
In Ken Burns' "The Civil War" he had the North win and giant robots fighting for the Confederacy. I thought that was a bit much.
Moore already made his own Civil War documentary. It was called "The Secret Diary of Desmond Pfeiffer", and it was beautiful.
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NewYorkDragons80
03-28-2003, 04:33 PM
Nah I looked into that too. I don't really fit into any labelled political party.
So are you blank or unregistered?
I think my favorite Michael Moore moment was a few days before the 2000 election at a Nader rally in DC (Who knows, maybe Mojo was there). He started ripping into Bush for his alleged drunk driving as a youth. He said "I was hit by a drunk driver and now I can't do 'this' with my arm. You hear me Bush, I can't do 'this'!!!" Drunk driving is an awful thing, but this came off as very petty.
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TheMojoPin
03-28-2003, 06:50 PM
I think my favorite Michael Moore moment was a few days before the 2000 election at a Nader rally in DC (Who knows, maybe Mojo was there).
Hot damn, I'm getting too friggin' obvious.
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