Saddam Hussein Issues Order to Use Chemical Weapons

[Steels]

Saddam Hussein has given the order to use chemical weapons on United States troops as they close in on the vicinity of Baghdad.

<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81983,00.html" target="_blank">Fox News Reports</a>

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[schmega]

god help our troops.

[FUNKMAN]

There is growing worry Iraqi Republican Guard units could start using chemical weapons as coalition land forces draw nearer to Baghdad, U.S. officials confirmed to Fox News.

The officials cited multiple intelligence reports that Iraqi units may have been ordered to unleash chemical weapons, but cautioned that reports of specific geographic locations, or so-called lines to-be-crossed drawn up by Iraqi leadership, are premature.




who are the officials?

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[Steels]

who are the officials?


What exactly are you implying?



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[FUNKMAN]

could start


are premature.




i don't imply. i just read the story...

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[FiveB247]

This is untrue and hearsay. No such factual proof has been heard, read or seen anywhere.

What was noted is that our troops are entering the area in which you could see such weapons being used. But the main word in that sentence is could.

Hopefully we will not see use of such weapons.

[Steels]

i don't imply. i just read the story...


You constantly make implications while you pick and choose aspects of a story that will shed a positive light on you're personal views. This has been you're precise pattern.

Do you have any idea how valuable and top secret that kind of intelligence is? The story is breaking, please excuse me if it does not come certified by a notary public and a cherry on top.

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[HBox]

Shut up you Saddam lovers. Why don't you just go over there and poison US troops with them, you bastards!

[JiZ]

Shut up you Saddam lovers. Why don't you just go over there and poison US troops with them, you bastards!



Poison them with what?

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[Steels]

Shut up you Saddam lovers. Why don't you just go over there and poison US troops with them, you bastards!

I understand you're disgust Hbox but this is not the way. They will only use you're aggressive words against you.

Remember, most of these people aren't "Saddam lovers" they are merely protesting and expressing their ridiculous opinions for the sake of it.

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[FUNKMAN]

U.S. officials have intelligence reports suggesting the Iraqi Republican Guard may have been ordered to use chemical weapons against U.S. forces if they cross a "red line" drawn around Baghdad, they told CNN Monday. "That doesn't mean they will do it," said one official, "but there have been reports such orders may have been issued."



took this off the CNN.com site...

read carefully!

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[Steels]

took this off the CNN.com site...

read carefully!

You may want to either hit the refresh button on you're browser or start watching "Fox News" or "MSNBC". Good Luck!

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[FiveB247]

Refute CNN stories...go check out Fox news for information?

how bout I turn to the food network to see if the Knicks won tonight while I'm at it...hahaha

[FUNKMAN]

how bout I turn to the food network to see if the Knicks won tonight while I'm at it...hahaha


now that's some funny shit...
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[FiveB247]

I'm heating up Funk man...They keep setting me up for the one timers'...haha

[Steels]

Refute CNN stories...go check out Fox news for information?

how bout I turn to the food network to see if the Knicks won tonight while I'm at it...hahaha

I'm heating up Funk man...They keep setting me up for the one timers'...haha

You aren't too bright FiveB, are ya. Fox news broke the story pea brain. After you're done laughing at you're own jokes and patting yourself on the back you may want to get back to some real issues. You're hack personality has no business in this thread.

now that's some funny shit...
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Thank you for confirming allegations I made towards your simple self in a prior thread <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=87&Topic=26381" target="_blank">Thread Explaining Allegations</a> . You are attempting to get a rise out of people but you only come off as a horse's ass. When you two are done sucking eachother's dicks why don't you educate yourselves on the issues at hand.

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[Crippler]

Preach on, brother Steels, and don't take any shit. I got your back.

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[TheMojoPin]

You aren't too bright FiveB, are ya. Fox news broke the story pea brain.

Actually, the BBC did. You silly, silly studs and your wacky cable "news" networks.

Whoa, Steels, what's with all the crazy talk? People aren't here to pick fights...

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[Steels]

Go fuck yourself Crippler. I will not be patronized by the likes of you. Let's hear those same words if I am ever lucky enough to catch you in my sight.

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[Steels]

Actually, the BBC did. You silly, silly studs and your wacky cable "news" networks.

Unfortunately, I do not have the "BBC" news network. From what I understand they have been a superior resource for information regarding this war. When I stated "Fox News" broke the news I was speaking on behalf of the news programs I am have available to myself.


Whoa, Steels, what's with all the crazy talk? People aren't here to pick fights...

Where I come from that's someone looking for a fight. You don't disrespect a person's views in that condescending manner.

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[TheMojoPin]

Naw, I understand, it just seemed like somehow Fox's news reports here were better than CNN's since they came first...but seriously, why IS the BBC usually beating our news networks to the punch? It's getting kind of annoying...

And I guess I'm not aware of what goes on between you and Crippler...it looked like he was just backing you up, but I guess not.

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[Steels]

it looked like he was just backing you up

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You are mistaken Mojo.

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[Crippler]

Holy shit, bro...I was genuinely on your side. But you need to calm the fuck down. I don't know if you know any soldiers (from your easy-to-snap demeanor, it looks like you do), but I certainly do. For that reason, among others, I am 100% in agreement with your views....right up to the point where you threaten me.

"Preach on brother", as long as we're examining grammar, parts of speech, and semantics, is a phrase which falls under the heading of "figure of speech." It is usally reserved for those in agreement with one another. It's along the lines of, "Can I get an Amen."...or, to put it in wrestling terms (which we both share as a common interest)...you could say it was not unlike saying, "Testify, my brother!"

So get your panties out of the bunch they're apparently in & stop being so fucking defensive. This is a rough time for all Americans, but this is a fucking message board, for Christsake. It's ok to air your views no matter what they are, but respect the views of others (especially when they agree with you).

And, for your own safety, remember that when you're not in the wrestling forum (where I thought we were cool), calling people out & threatening them can get you hurt.

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ps: Mojo, thanks for trying to be the voice of reason.


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[Steels]

Crippler, I honestly believed your post was meant to demean my opinion. For the past few days I have been dealing with ridiculous mindsets of people that seem to be fighting tooth and nail to make a point that this war is terribly wrong. It is true, I am on the defensive. I owe you an apology for my reaction and immature behavior. That was a bad job be me.

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[King Imp]

You know, I pray he doesn't use them on our troops, but I do hope to hell that the WMDs are found just so we can prove without a shadow of a doubt that A) they do exist and B) Saddam has been lying for the past 12 years.

Granted though, I almost 100% guarantee that even WHEN we find these weapons, there will be those morons out there that still refuse to accept that he's a threat and needed to be taken out.


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please excuse me if it does not come certified by a notary public and a cherry on top.


I'm a notary public but my cherry's been popped.



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[DarkHippie]

I just want to remind everyone that Fox News and the New York Post are (were?) owned by the same person, that lovable Aussie, Rupert Murdock. I hope that puts things in perspective.

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[FiveB247]

Here is a story regarding the evidence up til now including the chemical factory you are talking about.

Please note, as I stated in a previous post Why doesn't everyone wait to we have proof of everything and not just jump the gun. Seems like many of you want to prove a point without having all the data and evidence in. Yes they discovered a chemical plant. They haven't announced anything more then that. No discovery of WMD, biological agents, chemicals, etc...As of now...they announced it's just a plant. Let's see what they announce before screaming...haha I told you so.


I'm sorry if the proof or validity factor bothers you Steels.

As for your little pokes at me...I find them amusing. You may easily swayed by a news flash on tv...but I make sure of data, proof and facts before I jump the gun and come to conclusions.

You don't disrespect a person's views in that condescending manner. Maybe you should take some of your own advice on this one.

Here's a story from the NY Times regarding some of these issues.

[quote]Evidence of Iraq Weapons Remains Elusive
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
| March 25, 2003

Filed at 5:05 a.m. ET
In months of allegation and investigation on the way to war, no firm evidence emerged that Iraq held weapons of mass destruction. Now it is up to the U.S. invasion force to find such weapons -- if they exist.
Coalition commander Gen. Tommy Franks said Monday nothing conclusive has been uncovered thus far, but the U.S. military said it was investigating a chemical plant seized in southern Iraq's Najaf area as a "site of interest.''
"It could be difficult to find ... this stuff,'' Pentagon spokeswoman Victoria Clarke said a day earlier.
The U.S. and British accusations that Baghdad was hiding chemical, biological or nuclear weapons programs were the reason most commonly cited by Washington for attacking Iraq. The credibility of those claims was undercut, however, by disclosures of forgery and misrepresentation underlying some of them, and by the failure of U.S. intelligence reports to lead U.N. inspectors to any important finds.
If U.S. units now quickly report uncovering concealed arms programs, critics may question the authenticity of the reports or suggest that intelligence had been kept from the U.N. inspectors -- and ask why.
If few such weapons are found, the war's very premise will come under question.
"I think that we probably have received several . . . bits of information over the last three or four days about potential WMD (weapons of mass destruction) locations,'' Franks said Monday.
British troops have found what was described as "suspected'' Scud missiles and warheads in a chemical factory at Damaniyah, south of Basra, according to a British press pool report. Experts have been called in to determine what is in the warheads.
Skepticism about U.S.-British claims could be heard in last week's resignation of House of Commons leader Robin Cook from the British Cabinet to protest London's support of U.S. war plans.
"Iraq probably has no weapons of mass destruction in the commonly understood sense of the term, namely a credible device capable of being delivered against a strategic city target,'' said Cook, who had access to high-level British information.
In the U.S. Congress, meanwhile, the disclosure that another U.S. allegation in the nuclear area was based on a forged document led Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D.-W.Va., to ask the FBI to investigate whether a "larger deception campaign'' on Iraq was under way.

For months, officials of the U.S. administration have asserted Iraq maintains stocks of such prohibited arms. In his television address two days before launching the invasion, Bush said U.S. troops would enter Iraq "to eliminate weapons of mass destruction.''
A day earlier, Vice President Dick Cheney claimed on a TV talk show the Iraqis have "reconstituted nuclear weapons'' -- an assertion no specialist has supported. Chief nuclear inspector Mohamed ElBaradei told the U.N. Security Council on March 7: "We have to date found no ev

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[TheMojoPin]

Granted though, I almost 100% guarantee that even WHEN we find these weapons, there will be those morons out there that still refuse to accept that he's a threat and needed to be taken out.

What about those of us that have no doubt he has some or is trying to develop, but just are curious as to where this damning evidence is that we has so prone to use them at a moment's notice?

He had tons of these things before, and could have easily used them to much more damaging effect than they could possibly be now. He didn't. In psychology, you look for patterns in a person's behavior to try and see what they'll do down the line. What indicates that he's just going to start dropping WMD's on everyone all willy-nilly?

Again, I uspport this current action.

It just has not even been hinted at as to why it's so likely Saddam was going to start chucking WMD's at everyone in sight. If he was so ready to do so, why didn't he the moment we even HINTED that we were going to invade? People say we couldn't have waited any longer...he had MONTHS where it was CLEAR we were going to invade...if he's so scary-nuts, why wasn't anyone attacked then?

I just wish we had waited a few more months, a year, TOPS, to get more of the world on our side. Saddam, yes, I'm glad he'll be gone, but he's going to be a miniscule problem compared to the international politcal situation and diplomatic FUBAR we're going to have to deal with for the next few years at least, just because of a rush to get some two-dime petty despot . No good.

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[A.J.]

Mojo makes a good argument but I would counter to say that what if Saddam acts unpredictably?

As I posted in another thread:

Saddam's never been threatened with being killed or losing those things before. Now he is. My point is that if I'm Saddam and the end was imminent, why not use the WMDs I've been hoarding?

1) It may do some physical damage to the advancing Coalition forces. It may kill a significant number of troops and it will slow the advance in order to plan to deal with the WMD contamination.

2) It will DEFINITELY have a psychological effect on Coalition troop morale and American public opinion. Saddam knows that Americans won't tolerate heavy losses.

3) It may provide enough of a distraction for him to flee Iraq.

Granted, this is all speculation on MY part but why not at least consider the worst-case scenario?

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[TheMojoPin]

I responded to your post and it's very good points in the other thread.

I guess it basically sums up why I feel so weird about this war to begin with...it just feels like it's based on too many guesses and assumptions. In the past we've always been responding to something that either was or could appear to be a clear threat or reason for attacking. This time around, it seems to be all over the place...people here can make great, very smart cases for why we're going in, but it seems like our governemnt itself can't even make up its mind. And I don't like being confused and made to keep guessing...

Grrrrr...

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[A.J.]

I saw that, thanks.

And as I said there, my point was simply these scenarios have to be taken into consideration in the warplanning. Who knows how dirty Saddam would be willing to fight. I just want to make sure all contingincies are planned for.

And, as I also said in the other thread, I really hope the UN was right and he doesn't have any of that shit. I doubt they were but I hope.


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[Steels]

I'm sorry if the proof or validity factor bothers you Steels.

These allegations were proved a long time before early this morning. What bothers me is that you are not sticking to the topic at hand. Pay attention to the varying threads. Oh, give us a break and use a hyperlink.



I just want to remind everyone that Fox News and the New York Post are (were?) owned by the same person, that lovable Aussie, Rupert Murdock. I hope that puts things in perspective.

What are we putting in perspective Hippie? The fact that "Fox News" is breaking a story 5 minutes before any other U.S based news organization. This is an utter waste of my time having to defend the fact of where I happen to have gotten particular news at a particular time.

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[King Imp]

What about those of us that have no doubt he has some or is trying to develop, but just are curious as to where this damning evidence is that we has so prone to use them at a moment's notice?
Believe me, I'm with you there Mojo. As much as I believe Saddam does have them, I need to hear and see it as well to be fully convinced. I'm not one of those that just believes what our government feeds us. I'm just saying there are those who will still not accept the fact if and when we do find them. Some people are so anti-Bush that no matter what he does or what he produces everything will be wrong in their eyes. Those are the people that piss me off to no end.

[FiveB247]

Oh, give us a break and use a hyperlink.


Sorry all...you had to join and sign in on NY Times.com in order to read it. So I just posted it.

[TheMojoPin]

I'm just saying there are those who will still not accept the fact if and when we do find them. Some people are so anti-Bush that no matter what he does or what he produces everything will be wrong in their eyes. Those are the people that piss me off to no end.

This is very true. It's so damning to one's own attempts at protest/support if they can't even focus on WHAT exactly they're protesting/supporting. It's like people don't understand that some things get priority, and you DO need to pick your battles at the right time. Not all issues are made equal...

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[Crippler]

Crippler, I honestly believed your post was meant to demean my opinion. For the past few days I have been dealing with ridiculous mindsets of people that seem to be fighting tooth and nail to make a point that this war is terribly wrong. It is true, I am on the defensive. I owe you an apology for my reaction and immature behavior. That was a bad job be me.

Understood...just take it easy, we're all technically friends here...and we're all definitely Americans, so let's get along.

I'm still with you when it comes to opposing those who continue to take shots at our President. These people (Iraq) hate us, they have the ability, science, & resources to do covert, cowardly, unthinkable things to us, and we've already seen some of them. Do we need to be attacked by someone waving an Iraqi flag before we put a stop to it?

Not to mention, that once the fighting has begun, all the complaining & name calling & undermining of the President has absolutely no positive effect on the situation. Our troops are there, let's just pray for their speedy & safe return, and come together as Americans.

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I wonder if now the UN will quit their bitching, or will they continue to bitch until after this mad man does something horrible

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[JerryTaker]

Do we need to be attacked by someone waving an Iraqi flag before we put a stop to it?


The problem is, the people who attacked us weren't waving <I>any</I> flags. We're dealing with a sect of religion that declared war on the western world long ago, and would do anything to destroy it, especially from within.

My biggest problem with the war is its potential to set off the other wackos that are within our borders, posing as one of us, who smile in your face but only think of how much they want you dead. We should have cleaned up all the terrorists here first, period, then worry about cleaning up the middle east later...


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[Crippler]

You're very right, Jerry, and I'm also a little worried about what people here will do as a show of support for Iraq. But we've become far too much of a Politically Correct nation to ever have another WWII-esque round-up. And that is too bad. The only hope is that with Afghanistan & Iraq tied up in fighting (or leveled), the money that makes these atrocities possible will be impossible to get, thereby making it improbable to make any of these plans come to fruition.

Just look at what happened with one of our own soldiers who had a Muslim background. He gets pissed about having to fight over there & lobs a few hand grenades into his own unit's tents (or so we've been told so far).

Not that there aren't any truly proud Muslim-Americans (and some of them are soldiers, too), but anyone with a shady background should be kept out of our armed services. Unfortunately, unless they have done something blatant in the past, we wouldn't have the nerve to tell them they couldn't serve & that worries me, too.

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[FUNKMAN]

Thank you for confirming allegations I made towards your simple self in a prior thread Thread Explaining Allegations . You are attempting to get a rise out of people but you only come off as a horse's ass. When you two are done sucking eachother's dicks why don't you educate yourselves on the issues at hand


My apologies to the Admins and Moderators...

I was just having a little fun. I knew i could get a rise out of him but did not realize how upset he would get.

There was no malicious intent, as I said before in the Thread that STEELS refers to, "just trying to keep it light"...

it's just a difference of opinion on what is contained in these News articles...


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[TooCute]

But we've become far too much of a Politically Correct nation to ever have another WWII-esque round-up. And that is too bad.

I take it you aren't a Japanese American nor have any friends who are. I really hope that upon reflection you don't really mean what you wrote.

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[Crippler]

Perhaps I was too brief to be clear, I'm not an asshole who thinks all peoples of a certain race, religion, or creed should be arrested because we are at war. I didn't mean that rounding up all Middle Eastern peoples would be OK, like the round-up of all Japanese-Americans.

Rather, that the WWII round-ups were so paranoia-based & senseless that this country would never do anything that could possibly draw comparisons to those round-ups.

I say this because we know that there are people running around our country whom we suspect have terrorist involvement/ties. Just recently we heard that the government agencies "lost" a suspected terrorist they were following in Miami. And whether it be our wish to follow them to thwart their plans or simply a fear of looking bad by imprisoning them simply for their ties to terror cells, we won't round them up as we should. This doesn't mean I want my Chemistry lab partner arrested simply because she wears a traditional Muslim head wrap.

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