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The Blowhard
03-25-2003, 11:38 AM
February 23, 2003 -- THE antiwar group Not In Our Name has attracted a lot of attention in recent months by publishing a "statement of conscience" in newspapers across the country. The organization purchased two full pages in the Jan. 27 New York Times to run the statement, which assails the Bush administration for "unleash[ing] a spirit of revenge" after the 9/11 terrorist attacks and embarking on a course of "war abroad and repression at home."
The letter was signed by hundreds of celebrity endorsers, including the actors Ed Asner, Martin Sheen and Marisa Tomei; writers Kurt Vonnegut, Alice Walker and Barbara Kingsolver; musicians Graham Nash, Pete Seeger and Mos Def; and politicians Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. The combination of well-known names and high-profile ad placement has made Not In Our Name a leading player in the antiwar movement.

Yet, relatively little attention has been paid to Not In Our Name's financial support network. A look at that network shows that the group relies on tax-exempt foundations that in the past have been - and today still are - affiliated with a variety of radical causes, including the defense of convicted murderer Mumia Abu-Jamal, support for Fidel Castro's regime in Cuba and involvement with figures linked to Middle Eastern terrorism.

AT a Not In Our Name demonstration held on Jan. 27 outside the United Nations, one speaker declared that opposition to a war in Iraq, as exemplified by the rally, "is becoming a broad-based movement." A look behind the scenes, however, suggests that the organization itself is not broad-based at all, but is, rather, one of a small group of radical sects devoted to causes far removed from the antiwar effort. Not In Our Name is in fact two groups, which began as one.

The organization was created in March 2002 by a gathering of left-wing activists that included representatives from the Revolutionary Communist Party, the All-African Peoples Revolutionary Party, Refuse and Resist!, the International League of Peoples' Struggle and the National Lawyers Guild, among others. The organizers intended for Not In Our Name to stage protests across the country and also draft, according to the group's organizing document, a "Not In Our Name Statement of Conscience to be issued by well-known artists, intellectuals, activists and people in public life, lending their moral authority and their unified voice to the resistance movement."

AT least in the latter goal, Not In Our Name has been extraordinarily effective. But it had to split in two to succeed. There had been concern among organizers that some of those who might be inclined to sign the statement might not want to be associated with Not In Our Name's activist wing. So the group created two separate entities, one called the Not In Our Name Statement (which handles the manifesto and the collecting of celebrity signatures) and the other called the Not In Our Name Project (which handles street demonstrations and other protests).

"For the statement to succeed, we thought it should be separate from any form of political actions," says Clark Kissinger, a member of the Maoist Revolutionary Communist Party who has played a major role in organizing Not In Our Name. "We wanted people to be able to sign the statement without having their names used to endorse other actions."

Today, the staffs and finances of both groups are managed independently. Still, both parts of Not In Our Name need to raise money. Rather than creating foundations to collect cash, they formed alliances with so-called "fiscal sponsors" - that is, already established foundations that could use their tax-exempt status for fundraising.

THE Not In Our Name statement that appeared in the Times included a small box asking that donations be sent to something called the Bill of Rights Foundation. Last year, the foundation agreed to serve as Not In Our Name Statement's fiscal sponsor, but a look at the group's Internal Revenue Service records shows that until recently, it has had nothing at all to do with the peace movement. Rather,

DarkHippie
03-25-2003, 11:42 AM
Heckler, one of the reasons why we link to our sources is so that everyone can see exactly where we got our information from. Please to to the site so we can see its validity, because not every source is as equally trustworthy.

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Bergalad
03-25-2003, 11:45 AM
While this doesn't abrogate the rights of citizens to peacefully assemble and have their opinions heard, it does call into question the intelligence and morality of those who go to these mass rallies and don't know who is funding them. Everyone, including those supporting the war, need to be cautious of who they are following.

The Blowhard
03-25-2003, 11:47 AM
Byron York is National Review's White House correspondent. From the Feb. 24 issue.

This was from the NY Post's Op-Ed section.

This message was edited by Heckler on 3-25-03 @ 3:52 PM

FiveB247
03-25-2003, 11:53 AM
Whether you agree with the beliefs of these radical groups or not. I think it's a great way to build support for a overall different perspective. And for those of you who are readily opposed to groups getting together in order to gain more support, I suggest you take a good look at the Republican and Democrat parties. Obviously wide range of beliefs, causes and differences all under the same general foundation in order to gain more support, say and control according to their beliefs.

it does call into question the intelligence and morality of those who go to these mass rallies and don't know who is funding them. Everyone, including those supporting the war, need to be cautious of who they are following.


Do you know who funds all the election campaigns that you participate in as you vote for officials?

And what does morality have anything to do with supporting one of those causes. Most of them were belief based...not terrorist or violence driven. It's choice and view....not morals.

Btw...the Post Op-ed? we're beginning to hit bottom.

This message was edited by FiveB247 on 3-25-03 @ 4:04 PM

DarkHippie
03-25-2003, 12:06 PM
This was from the NY Post's Op-Ed section.
Well, there you go. Not only is it the Post, but its Op-Ed.



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Bergalad
03-25-2003, 12:46 PM
You said:
Do you know who funds all the election campaigns that you participate in as you vote for officials?

I had said:
Everyone, including those supporting the war, need to be cautious of who they are following.
Why are you trying to bust my balls when I already said everyone needs to be aware of who and what they support? Read the posts before commenting.
And what does morality have anything to do with supporting one of those causes.

I feel it has a lot to do with morals. If you are supporting a group that, for example, supports convicted cop killers or kid touchers, then you might have a morality issue. (Moral here meaning "sanctioned by or operative on one's conscience or ethical judgement)

FiveB247
03-25-2003, 04:53 PM
Why are you trying to bust my balls when I already said everyone needs to be aware of who and what they support? Read the posts before commenting.

I feel it has a lot to do with morals. If you are supporting a group that, for example, supports convicted cop killers or kid touchers, then you might have a morality issue. (Moral here meaning "sanctioned by or operative on one's conscience or ethical judgement)


I never specifically busted your balls at all. I made a general statement regarding campaign funding just as you made a general statement regarding people supporting war/ anti-war groups. It's the same premise, Know who you're supporting.

I'm not even going to begin an arguement regarding Mumia or similar cause based organizations/ groups, but I will say this. People like Rueben Carter don't get out of jail cause of justice in the court system.

shamus mcfitzy
03-25-2003, 05:11 PM
I don't look down on this group anymore than i look down on the swing votes in this country (about 20% of America's voter's i'd say) that can switch their votes from Clinton to Bush over an 8 year priod. Ultimately the country has a good majoirty of mindless morons, liberal and conservative. I don't think that people supporting Castro are bad people, they're people that have political beliefs in the slimmest of minorities.

TooCute
03-25-2003, 05:52 PM
Wait, you look down on swing voters?

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03-25-2003, 05:55 PM
I thought Swingers were too busy swapping spouses to vote?

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shamus mcfitzy
03-25-2003, 06:18 PM
Wait, you look down on swing voters?


i look down on those who can switch ideologies on a dime. I know people who voted for Bush cause Gore didn't have good personality!!!! That's stupid. Don't vote for Gore because he was a slightly more liberal Bush. If the voters based decisions on facts, and not appearances, then gooder presidents could be elected. I like Ross Perot, who may be nuts, but had better ideas than Clinton, whose "ideas" were to look good to younger voters by going on Arsenio. I think I can safely say that George W.H. Bush was better than or at least equal to Clinton.

El Mudo
03-25-2003, 07:47 PM
The letter was signed by hundreds of celebrity endorsers, including the actors Ed Asner, Martin Sheen and Marisa Tomei: writers Kurt Vonnegut, Alice Walker and Barbara Kingsolver: musicians Graham Nash, Pete Seeger and Mos Def: and politicians Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. The combination of well-known names and high-profile ad placement has made Not In Our Name a leading player in the antiwar movement.



The only guy on that list who really has the right to complain about war is Vonnegut...since he actually fought in one..

Trying to stop talking like a grizzled 1890's prospector..

TheMojoPin
03-25-2003, 09:48 PM
Articles like this always creep me out, because it implies that because of some of the politics of the backers, it automatically negates the legitimacy of the protesters themselves.

I in fact addressed this issue a few months back in a thread with yerdaddy, where I talked about how I had been avoiding mass anti-globalization protests because so many were being organized and backed by nouveau-communist and pseudo-socialist groups. It was just a glaring example of the epidemic "selective ignorance" that may protesters have. They need to realize that you can NEVER "have all the answers", and you need to continue learning about what you're doing/reading/supporting as often as you can.

And, to be fair, here's a similar style article/op-ed to what Heckler posted...keeping things balanced!

[quote]March 25, 2003
Channels of Influence
By PAUL KRUGMAN


By and large, recent pro-war rallies haven't drawn nearly as many
people as antiwar rallies, but they have certainly been
vehement. One of the most striking took place after Natalie
Maines, lead singer for the Dixie Chicks, criticized President
Bush: a crowd gathered in Louisiana to watch a 33,000-pound
tractor smash a collection of Dixie Chicks CD's, tapes and other
paraphernalia. To those familiar with 20th-century European
history it seemed eerily reminiscent of. . . . But as Sinclair
Lewis said, it can't happen here.

Who has been organizing those pro-war rallies? The answer, it
turns out, is that they are being promoted by key players in the
radio industry ダ" with close links to the Bush administration.

The CD-smashing rally was organized by KRMD, part of Cumulus
Media, a radio chain that has banned the Dixie Chicks from its
playlists. Most of the pro-war demonstrations around the country
have, however, been organized by stations owned by Clear Channel
Communications, a behemoth based in San Antonio that controls
more than 1,200 stations and increasingly dominates the
airwaves.

The company claims that the demonstrations, which go under the
name Rally for America, reflect the initiative of individual
stations. But this is unlikely: according to Eric Boehlert, who
has written revelatory articles about Clear Channel in Salon,
the company is notorious ダ" and widely hated ダ" for its
iron-fisted centralized control.

Until now, complaints about Clear Channel have focused on its
business practices. Critics say it uses its power to squeeze
recording companies and artists and contributes to the growing
blandness of broadcast music. But now the company appears to be
using its clout to help one side in a political dispute that
deeply divides the nation.

Why would a media company insert itself into politics this way?
It could, of course, simply be a matter of personal conviction
on the part of management. But there are also good reasons for
Clear Channel ダ" which became a giant only in the last few
years, after the Telecommunications Act of 1996 removed many
restrictions on media ownership ダ" to curry favor with the
ruling party. On one side, Clear Channel is feeling some heat:
it is being sued over allegations that it threatens to curtail
the airplay of artists who don't tour with its concert division,
and there are even some politicians who want to roll back the
deregulation that made the company's growth possible. On the
other side, the Federal Communications Commission is considering
further deregulation that would allow Clear Channel to expand
even further, particularly into television.

Or perhaps the quid pro quo is more narrowly focused.
Experienced Bushologists let out a collective "Aha!" when Clear
Channel was revealed to be behind the pro-war rallies, because
the company's top management has a history with George W. Bush.
The vice chairman of Clear Channel is Tom Hicks, whose name may
be familiar to readers of this column. When Mr. Bush was
governor of Texas, Mr. Hicks was chairman of the University of
Texas Investment Management Company, called Utimco, and Clear
Channel's chairman, Lowry Mays,