Why do some seem to love insulting "liberals"?

[TheMojoPin]

First off, let me say this is NOT a defense of all "liberals". Plenty of them enjoy name-calling, too. This is really for my own personal clarification...

Constantly in this thread, if someone who is not a liberal brings up liberals, it's pretty much a given that the words "hippie", "pinko", "commie", "cowardly", "stupid", "clueless", "spoiled", etc. are going to go along with it.

What drives people to do this? I never really feel the inkling to tack insults on to calling someone "pro-war" or a "conservative". It's like if you're a liberal, these people are instantly branding you all of these things, no matter what you're saying. Why the desire to make politcal issues so damn personal? I find it very easy to detach myself from these debates...yes, these ARE issues that effect me personally, but it's not worth picking a fight with someone but threatening them or calling them names.

I look at "liberals" like Micahel Moore making an ass of themselves and shake my head, but I also do the same when some "conservatives" use the name-calling listed above, like insulting someone instantly proves a point or proves the other person wrong, instead of actually arguing their theories or debating the issues. It just seems so degrading to any point or counterpoint you may have been trying to make. So what's the point?

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[TheMojoPin]

Dude, it's not an insult to make the already-sexy even SEXIER.

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[shamus mcfitzy]

I think we juts don't have names to call them back. "Uncle MoneyBags" isn't an effective name. And plus it sometimes does apply that a liberal poster is taking a "stupid" stance. It's realistic......

[The Blowhard]

We are all labeled these days. Me? I guess I'm an "angry white male". Now go and fuck yourself. See, so angry! Oppress you later!

[TheMojoPin]

I think we juts don't have names to call them back. "Uncle MoneyBags" isn't an effective name. And plus it sometimes does apply that a liberal poster is taking a "stupid" stance. It's realistic......

Well, like I said, there are plenty of liberals making asses of themselves who almost deserve the jabs. But calling names back really doesn't "prove" anything...

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[The Blowhard]

George McGovern: now THAT was a Liberal!

[shamus mcfitzy]

Well, like I said, there are plenty of liberals making asses of themselves who almost deserve the jabs. But calling names back really doesn't "prove" anything...


IT PROVES THAT WE'RE BETTER!!!!! and that liberals can be assholes too. That's what makes the world go round......

[TheMojoPin]

George McGovern: now THAT was a Liberal!

And how! He REALLY loved the ladies...

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This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 3-26-03 @ 2:05 AM

[TheMojoPin]

IT PROVES THAT WE'RE BETTER!!!!! and that liberals can be assholes too. That's what makes the world go round......

Well, I'm gonna keep pulling a Ghandi and just politely abstain...

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[King Imp]

I'll admit I've done it a couple of times since this whole war started. I will also admit it was wrong and childish so for that I apologize.

For me, I spent about a week reading the posts about the war here before I joined. The board I normally post on has been down for a week so I spent a full week with anger and frustration building up. When I finally did lash out, some unfair things were said. I won't use that as an excuse because it isn't, but more as an explanation to my name calling so to speak.

Personally I have no problem if you are a conservative or a liberal. Each has their good points and their bad. As long as we're all Americans, that's all that counts in my eyes.

I think also the problem with the clashes we've had here recently stems from the fact that we can't fully understand the other's feelings. I won't speak for all the pro-war people here, but I personally can't understand how the rest of you don't see the danger we will face if we sit back and do nothing. Sure, I do understand your argument that you feel he doesn't pose a threat right now, but I don't believe in giving him the opportunity to hit us when we least expect it. It happened once before by a group, I don't want to imagine what will happen if we sit back with our heads up our ass if a country hits us.

Basically what I'm saying is we all have differing opinions and that is what makes this country the best in the world. Once again, I am sorry for any lashing out I had done. I still believe what we are doing is right, but I will not resort to being immature anymore.


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Oh, we do it because it's fun!

Besides, Republicans are just too damn easy of a target.

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I really resent them. If you're going to argue with me, argue with facts, not with insults.

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Because they are easily offended and it is funny to watch their reactions.

Oh, how I love to offend people!

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[FiveB247]

It bugs me the names of some posts are derogatory. "Exposing the peaceniks" and "Shame on some of you", to name a few.

[Knowledged_one]

Its probably because when Clinton decided to wage war in Yugoslavia, Rwanda, etc. he didnt bother to get approval from Congress yet the Republicans did not complain and make stands against it, rather they supported the decision of the commander-in-chief and did not go publicly out and criticize the move while there were troops out fighting.
Now however you have guys like Daschle and the rest of the liberal bunch, speaking out against the president and all the wrong things that are happening (even though these same democrats pledged support after 9/11 in giving Bush the power to go against those that threaten us). It seems that the liberals are making cases against war for political gains rather then helping and supporting our troops who are fighting.
The time for debate and political in fighting should have ceased once the war began but the liberal media just wont let it rest (see N.Y. Times for some examples of this). It seems to me only Lieberman and a few others on the liberal side really understand the importance of getting sadamm out of there.
The bottom line is this support the war dont support the war, but support the troops who are over in Afghanistan and Iraq who give you that freedom to protest

I think however that it is a shame that papers like the N.Y. Times makes sadamm out to be the hero and the u.s. the aggressor. Saddam is a bad bad man who has deceived and lied and tricked all the time to get his way he has constantly been in violation of u.n. resolutions (for example the Al Samooud missile that had to long of a range or the 4 month late report on their VX-23 program or the escaped Iraqi Nuclear Scientist who say they worked on an Iraqi equivalent of the Manhattan Project or the Iraqi athletes who are tortured and beaten when they lose. these are documented facts, but the liberal press would rather ignore this just to make Bush a bad guy

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This message was edited by AJinDC on 3-26-03 @ 10:56 AM

[TheMojoPin]

I think however that it is a shame that papers like the N.Y. Times makes sadamm out to be the hero and the u.s. the aggressor.

"Hero."

Right.

Good call.

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[Knowledged_one]

so does that imply you have read the op ed pieces and front page reporting of the situation the last couple of weeks?

and i used hero for lack of a better word

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[TheMojoPin]

More like it's the most inaccurate word possible. Yes, I HAVE read most of the Times' op-ed pieces in the last few months, and NOWHERE did it seem anyone was trying to prop up or justify Saddam Hussein. Being against the invasion or questioning the ever-shifting motives does NOT mean you support Saddam...but it sure seems like people want to see it that way. It's like they WANT to find "traitors" hiding behind every corner...when quite frankly, you'd be hard-pressed to find even the most anti-Bush, anti-American protesters willing to say, "I like Saddam and he's a hero!"

There's this undelrying sentiment that if people who might or do oppose the war in Iraq, for WHATEVER reason, they almost need to say "Saddam is evil. I hate Saddam" every other sentence to "prove" that they're "on the right side" and that they don't "love/support Saddam". It's getting frustrating. I shouldn't have to "prove" that to anyone...it's like people want to dismiss my opinion (Or opinions like it) so badly, they're actually willing to basically imply intellectual collaboration or treason on my part, just to "prove that I'm wrong", and that's both insulting AND a little scary.

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[TheMojoPin]

but the liberal press would rather ignore this just to make Bush a bad guy

Seriously, you're obviously propping up editorials and op-ed pieces as "news". Name me ONE "liberal" paper that in its NEWS sections presents articles that clearly are anti-Bush. It's an insane notion. Editorials are NOT news. Covering anti-war protests does not make one "anti-Bush". It measn you're covering the major events in our nation. Nobody's saying that you have to like what's reported...Lord knows I usually don't...but to say these papers are blatantly attacking the president in their NEWS sections is kinda bonkers.

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This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 3-26-03 @ 2:07 PM

[Knowledged_one]

Ok mojo how about the state of california and the extremem liberalism there. I have a sister-in-law in high school in san diego, she was recently suspeneded by her school for arguing with her teacher who did nothing but bad mouth bush and bush the "liberal" mind set onto her. When she argued the facts the teacher said she was being disruptive and a nusiance to the class so like i said she was suspeneded is that because of her views on the war. No its the liberals in california who have no tolerance for an even media and instead of pushing free thought on the students they push their views onto them this happens all over the country because generally most teachers are liberal. so explain that to me and maybe you can see why people enjoy insulting the liberals

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[TheMojoPin]

You're switching scripts here. You bring up the "liberal" media that's attacking Bush left and right, and then suddenly start talking about liberal teachers. What happened to the front page NEWS articles that were rampantly attacking out president?

And I never denied for a second that there are plenty of overbearing, non-listening, asshole liberals out there. I said it basically in the second line of the first post here. It still doesn't explain why so many on the OTHER side are so quick to jump on the "let's insult ALL liberals" bandwagon. It sounds just as stupid as the kind of overbearing politcal attacks you're bringing up.

And there's a huge difference between "most teachers are liberal" and "most teachers are liberal AND they're forcing it on our kids." You're assuming that IF these teachers ARE mostly liberal, they're automatically trying to "brainwash" their students. I know it may seem crazy, but a lot of us CAN seperate our politcal and professional lives...it's like saying that since I'm liberal and run a bookstore, I'd of COURSE only be carrying liberal books and only hiring liberal employees and yelling at the employees who DIDN'T agree with my liberal rants and only carry music by artists who support MY causes, blah-blah-blaaaaah...trust me, it's NOT a conspiracy...don't worry...

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[Meatball]

liberals, it's pretty much a given that the words "hippie", "pinko", "commie", "cowardly", "stupid", "clueless", "spoiled", etc. are going to go along with it


not my fault... i simply referred to Websters Thesaurus for the word "liberal"

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I live in a state where my Senators are left of Mao- Senator the smuck Schumer and Hillary- I want to be president-Clinton- so I would never call you a commie.

[TheMojoPin]

Dude, Schumer and Hillary are SO not "left" it's not even funny...you can KEEP them...ugh...

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I still don't know what the fuck left is.


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I still don't know what the fuck left is.
It's the opposite of right. Hope that helped ya out. ;)

[JerryTaker]

I still don't know what the fuck left is.


"left" is all that's keeping rich old men from making laws telling you what you can and cannot do with your own body

btw, while all this war stuff was going on, did anyone notice that partial birth abortions were made illegal this month, without regard for circumstances?

Keep bashing liberals, go ahead...



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[Knowledged_one]

before i go on with my point about the liberal media....partial brith abortions is one of the worst things that can happen because that is murder im not on either side of the pro-life/pro choice because each has its points and faults but partial birth my god man do you know what they do for that.
and do you really think there are a bunch of old men who make up these policies and to what policies are you refering. I mean its not like bush is clinton who taxed the fuck out of the people of america, got nothing accomplished in 8 years and basically let the economy get fucked because he chose to sit back and do nothing because he was leaving office even though he had reports that the tech bubble was about to burst

On Saturday, Bill Keller, a prominent commentator for the influential New York Times, suggested in a widely-reprinted column that the secretary should quit because the war against Iraq was "a failure of Colin Powell's politics."


"The most important reason the secretary of state should go is that the president has chosen a course that repudiates much of what Mr Powell has stood for -- notably his deep suspicion of arrogant idealism," Keller wrote in the piece entitled "Why Colin Powell Should Go."

This is from yahoo news about a column in the N.Y. Times (yeah this paper isnt slanted to the liberal side right)
On Saturday, Bill Keller, a prominent commentator for the influential New York Times, suggested in a widely-reprinted column that the secretary should quit because the war against Iraq was "a failure of Colin Powell's politics."


"The most important reason the secretary of state should go is that the president has chosen a course that repudiates much of what Mr Powell has stood for -- notably his deep suspicion of arrogant idealism," Keller wrote in the piece entitled "Why Colin Powell Should Go."


The column was notable because Keller, who has written positively of Powell in the past, said he continued to have the utmost respect for the secretary but felt that the Bush administration was undeserving of his services.



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[JerryTaker]

without regard for circumstances


Read the whole post again, you missed that part...

Plus it's a precursor, another step toward overturning Roe v. Wade and banning stem cell research.



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[TheMojoPin]

On Saturday, Bill Keller, a prominent commentator for the influential New York Times, suggested in a widely-reprinted column that the secretary should quit because the war against Iraq was "a failure of Colin Powell's politics."


"The most important reason the secretary of state should go is that the president has chosen a course that repudiates much of what Mr Powell has stood for -- notably his deep suspicion of arrogant idealism," Keller wrote in the piece entitled "Why Colin Powell Should Go."

This is from yahoo news about a column in the N.Y. Times (yeah this paper isnt slanted to the liberal side right)
On Saturday, Bill Keller, a prominent commentator for the influential New York Times, suggested in a widely-reprinted column that the secretary should quit because the war against Iraq was "a failure of Colin Powell's politics."


"The most important reason the secretary of state should go is that the president has chosen a course that repudiates much of what Mr Powell has stood for -- notably his deep suspicion of arrogant idealism," Keller wrote in the piece entitled "Why Colin Powell Should Go."


The column was notable because Keller, who has written positively of Powell in the past, said he continued to have the utmost respect for the secretary but felt that the Bush administration was undeserving of his services.

First of all, that's an editorial. Second of all, I've read the very same article a couple times, and it's critical of Bush's actions in the Middle East, Iraq in particular. This is clearly an "OPINION", and not an open attack on the president in general. Still waiting for the front page NEWS stories attacking Bush.

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[high fly]

In general as a spectator to all the hooha that goes back and forth between liberals and conservatives, I am struck by the number of times each side will do something similar to something the other side did and you'll hear squalling about one and not the other, simply because it's your guy.
A liberal will excuse Clinton's lying and a conservative will excuse Reagan's lying.
It's all rather absurd, and yet it goes on and on.

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I'm VERY Pro-Choice, but I don't support Partial Birth Abortions. They're very wrong.

Normal abortion is OK with me.

And Libs are fun to insult. Case closed. They get all huffy-puffy and holier than thou. It's fun to watch them try to talk down to you.

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Probably because they destroyed the country.

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Here's a somewhat silly question, but I was thinking about it, and I realized I have no clue what the answer would be: what's the origin of the designations of "left" and "right"? They came from somewhere. So why have Democrats / liberals been associated with "left", and Repubs / conservatives been associated with "right"? Maybe one of you can help me out with this little bit of political history.

And there's a huge difference between "most teachers are liberal" and "most teachers are liberal AND they're forcing it on our kids." You're assuming that IF these teachers ARE mostly liberal, they're automatically trying to "brainwash" their students. I know it may seem crazy, but a lot of us CAN seperate our politcal and professional lives...

Let me play Devil's Advocate here.

Assume you have a liberal professor.....and he structures his class (whatever that may be....say it's political science) so that largely it's liberal or left-wing ideology that is taught (with conservative ideology & thought being given a disproportionately small amount of time & exposure). The textbooks / class material is also slanted to the left.

Now, assume also that this particular class is required for your major (following the above, assume you're a poli-science major, and you need this class to graduate).

And assume that you're in that class, and you're not a liberal / left-wing. You're either an independent / moderate, or more consevative-minded.

NOW, I would not say that having to take that class, and thus having to endure an ideology that you do not believe in or subscribe to, is brainwash. However, it is constricting, and is certainly intellectually one-sided from a teaching perspective. And I would argue that it's not very equitable either.

I think that when conservatives complain about colleges being "too liberal", this is large part of what they mean.

I took classes in college in which the professors were VERY liberal. Their material, the information they presented, the ideology they taught, was very left-wing in nature. Obviously, I don't follow that ideology. And yet every paper I had to turn in.....every assignment I was given, I made sure to structure my answers to follow the teacher's ideology, and not my own. Why? Because I was too afraid that if I did not, my grade would suffer.

I think this is the fear, more than brainwashing, that a lot of conservatives have when they complain about the left-wing bias that, at the least, is presumed to be the norm for many, many colleges (the important colleges, I suppose). It's not a fear that kids are being brainwashed, per se, just that they're NOT being presented with both schools of thought objectively. And that, IMO, just leads intellectual stagnation.

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[HBox]

Here's a somewhat silly question, but I was thinking about it, and I realized I have no clue what the answer would be: what's the origin of the designations of "left" and "right"?


This is just my theory, but I think it has to do with where the Republicans and Democrats sit in Congress.

[Se7en]

My God, can it be that simple, HBox?

I'm kind of disappointed if that's true. I thought there's be some sort of meaningful signficance to the terms.

I live in a state where my Senators are left of Mao- Senator the smuck Schumer and Hillary- I want to be president-Clinton- so I would never call you a commie.

How dare you compare Mao with Clinton & Schumer. Especially, comparing Clinton to Mao.

Mao, at least, had some good fashion sense.

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[HBox]

Actually, now I am more certain that is the explanation. I think I did hear it soemwhere. That is where "wing" comes from. Its actually not where they sit but where their offices are. Hence, left wing and right wing. I am almost 75% sure that is it.

[TheMojoPin]

I think this is the fear, more than brainwashing, that a lot of conservatives have when they complain about the left-wing bias that, at the least, is presumed to be the norm for many, many colleges (the important colleges, I suppose). It's not a fear that kids are being brainwashed, per se, just that they're NOT being presented with both schools of thought objectively. And that, IMO, just leads intellectual stagnation.

This was all a very good example, but even the implication that this is the case with the majority of "liberal" teachers is a little absurd. I've had plenty of teachers at the three colleges I attended that I would have never guessed as being what one could classify as a "liberal"based on what was presented in the classroom, but then upon talking with them OUT of the class, they turned out to be as "pinko" as can be...and the opposite was true as well. I've had teachers I was CONVINCED were more liberal than thou, and they turned out to be died-in-the-wool Republicans.

So while you're right that some teachers will let their politics bleed into their teaching, I think it's more than just a little absurd to assume this is the case with all or most teachers. And would the situation somehow be "better" if it was an assumed conservative bias? I don't understand exactly what's wanted here...and ultimately, isn't this still an unfair generalization? It makes it sounds like liberals can't make good teachers, period.

And parroting back what you've heard a teacher say is just the sign of a bad class, liberal or conservative. It was the rare case when I had a professor or teacher who just wanted the class to agree with whatever they said. Most were attempted to inspire debate and differences of opinion, or just get the class involved at all! I'd be suprised to find an over-abundance of teachers who simply want their students to sit there and nod blankly at whatever the teacher may be discussing.

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[LiquidCourage]

Most college professors are extremely liberal.
Some are borderline radical, and some are just off the charts.

For example, my teacher yesterday made a comment of how she hoped that the Iraqis use chemical weapons on our troops.
I'm not kidding at all.
I walked out of the class.

[FiveB247]

For example, my teacher yesterday made a comment of how she hoped that the Iraqis use chemical weapons on our troops.

What school do you go to? What kind of 'intelectual professor' would say such a thing? Anyone who would say such a thing whether intelectual or not, is sick. You should report that teacher to the School's authority.

[LiquidCourage]

I go to William Paterson University.
I have to take this class called "Racism and Justice."

The teacher is this radical, 60s activist. She's black and angry at white people all day. She 's super afro-centric and talks about how fed up with this country she gets at times. She says that she's gotten so mad she's moved away a couple of times. She actually has lived outside of the country more than she has in the US. She basically think that any country with non whites in it is the greatest country in the world. She's as anti Christian/pro Muslim as anyone could get without actually saying it.

The scary thing is that the class is about half black and she fills everyone up with such a victim ideaolgy.

[LiquidCourage]

Oh yeah, and like 2 weeks ago, on the brink of war, she ripped the military men themselves. I couldn't believe it. She specifically talked shit about the Marines.

She said something along the lines of how "guys in the military just can't live by themselves. They go from having their mommies telling them what to do to having their sergeants telling them what to do."

[LiquidCourage]

"Does she ACTUALLY say these things or are you assuming that she means them because you disagree with some of what she says and want to put words into her mouth?"

Nope.
She actually said the chemical weapons thing, and the other stuff you'd believe if you heard her talk.

She talked just yesterday about how American Christians are phonies while Muslims are such devout followers of their religion.

It gets really annoying.

She's also talked shit about just about every ex President in the past 50 years whether they're a Republican or Democrat. She's called every one of them racists. It's like she's paranoid.

[McNabbShouldDie]

I dont like the views and personal opinions of liberals so im gonna end up in debate with them every now and then. And it will be a debate, both sides will get there opinion across, but when im debating ill through something like "you stupid anti-America communist bastard" to the end of a sentence. Ill be civil in the debate but i have to get the anger out of the way through insults.

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[TooCute]

Does she ACTUALLY say these things or are you assuming that she means them because you disagree with some of what she says and want to put words into her mouth? She can be anti-american ("I hate it and I have moved away several times") all she wants, but if she actually said she hoped that chemical weapons were used on our troops, that is highly offensive to anyone in the class that might have friends and relatives out there, nevermind to any American - or human being. Nobody should be wishing death upon anyone else.

The next time she says such things I suggest you write them down so you don't forget her exact words, and if you're uncomfortable bringing it up with her, directly, bring it up with the chair of her department. Don't be angry, don't call her names and don't label her. Just the facts.

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[JerryTaker]

Wait, your're right, I see it now. Standard "deviation" like devient sexual practices! And all that "science stuff!" GOD made everything, like our good conservative polilticians tell us. Tourqe! they taught me Tourqe! Those liberal pansys!

...your own fault for going for that easy A in humanities classes... :-)


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[LiquidCourage]

I've found that most History and science teachers are Republicans while the more "artsy" subjects are taught by the libs.

[JerryTaker]

while the more "artsy" subjects are taught by the libs.


Few republicans bother with "artsy" stuff, at least not enough to teach, they consider it trite... so I don't get why you're all so surprised about that. Republicans prefer teaching shop and phys ed anyway, so you don't find many in college

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[Knowledged_one]

jerrytaker do you have any clue about reality or are you off living in your own world of make believe

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[TheMojoPin]

And it will be a debate, both sides will get there opinion across, but when im debating ill through something like "you stupid anti-America communist bastard" to the end of a sentence. Ill be civil in the debate but i have to get the anger out of the way through insults.

What the hell does that accomplish? It only serves to create more of a divide...

And LiquidCourage, that's just a bad teacher, period. Please don't let the idiocy of one speak for all.

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[JerryTaker]

jerrytaker do you have any clue about reality or are you off living in your own world of make believe


please ellaborate, oh knowledged one..



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[TheMojoPin]

jerrytaker do you have any clue about reality or are you off living in your own world of make believe

Still the biggest cop-out to ANY politcal debate.

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[Knowledged_one]

You mean other then your comment about Bush taking over full reign of the country

or

that the "left" is the only thing that keeps rich white males from running roughshod and telling us what to do (paraphrasing here)

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[JerryTaker]

You mean other then your comment about Bush taking over full reign of the country

AJ in DC gave the FDR precident, so it's not unheard of


that the "left" is the only thing that keeps rich white males from running roughshod and telling us what to do (paraphrasing here)


Ever hear of "checks and balances?" Plus it's become obvious that politicians are to afraid to think outside of party lines, so with an all republican Senate, House, President, and appointed Supreme court, they have free reign to pass any right wing agenda they want with <I>very</I> little resistance, because the public in general doesn't pay attention to what the government is doing, what bills are going through the system, etc.

I find it amusing that you say that I live in a fantasy world, while you can feel comfortable having such blind trust in your government.


EDIT: and by the way, read my posts again and point out where I said "rich white men," I'm fairly certain I had said "old rich men" but I'm pretty sure I would not have used a racial distinction...



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[JerryTaker]

hmm, either my browser's screwy or something wierd happened to the "last updated" time on this thread

-nm, back to normal...

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[McNabbShouldDie]

What the hell does that accomplish?

im just stating the bitter truth

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[TheMojoPin]

The only truth I'm seeing is that you DECIDE to start insulting someone over their politcal beliefs. It's in no way necessary, and serves to prove NOTHING.

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[A.J.]

AJ in DC gave the FDR precident, so it's not unheard of


I forgot to add Lincoln suspending habeas corpus during the Civil War, War Between The States, or whatever the hell you want to call it.

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[McNabbShouldDie]

The only truth I'm seeing is that you DECIDE to start insulting someone over their politcal beliefs. It's in no way necessary, and serves to prove NOTHING.

Its not like i sit there and just throw insults at people because they jackoff to pics of Saddam. Talking intelligently and debating is fun and all, but i have to toss an insult in there somewhere because thats my nature. I make jokes allday and insult people and stuff cause i like having fun at the expense of others. Im a dick and its made life alot funner.

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[TheMojoPin]

Just to swing things to an earlier issue, one of my favorite websites, spinsanity.com (O'Reilly needs to take lessons from a REAL "no-spin" zone), just put up an article examining the peculiar notion of accusing critcal news reports as being "Pro-Saddam".

http://www.spinsanity.org/

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[HBox]

Just to swong things


I just can't keep up with your crazy "slang."

[TheMojoPin]

Fick you, man!

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