Would you support the war if .....

[King Imp]

we found all these WMDs that our government is sure Iraq has and if they found indisputable evidence that Iraq does have ties to Al-Qaida or other terrorist organizations?

Now, before you jump down my throat let me say I agree with those against the war when it comes to this proof linking Iraq and Al-Qaida, but I've also read a lot of you use that point as a main reason to be against the war.

All I'm asking if if you would be more for it if there was definite proof, thus solidifying the fact that Iraq is a threat to us.

[Lummox]

Tying Iraq to Al Qaida is mere convenience. The real issue is the violations of the cease fire from '91. U.N. resolutions passed THEN are the real reason for the war, and justifiable- in my simple ditto headed zombie like mind.


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[FiveB247]

If all the allegations and items the US has claimed regarding terrorist ties, WMD, etc were proven true, I'd accept the pursuit of war. I think war should be the last resort in any situation though. But with the proof, I'd understand the full ramifications of the actions.

Part of the reason I'm against the war is the fact that the US hasn't successfully given proof to their claims as well as not been truthful to the full nature of their actions. They tell the public/ citizens one thing and do another. Nowadays...the US has melded the words disarmament and regime change; they apparently mean the same thing now. The more you pay attention to politics...the more you see words used in context...but meaning different things. Tricks of the trade I guess.

[spoon]

Part of the reason I'm against the war is the fact that the US hasn't successfully given proof to their claims as well as not been truthful to the full nature of their actions.

Perhaps some things can't be disclosed at this time due to security, safety and future operational tactics. We elect these officials to do what is in our best interest as a nation. Yes, this isn't always the case. However, I believe that an endeavor this grand has just reasons, known and those undisclosed. Such as: The real issue is the violations of the cease fire from '91. U.N. resolutions passed THEN are the real reason for the war, and justifiable

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[DarkHippie]

It might make me less vehement in my opposition, but as I have been saying for months now, my gripe with the war is:

1) the destabilization of the Middle East by creating a power vacuum (watch the other countries grab for power as Iraq goes down.)

2) the use of Pre-Emptive War as a means to ensure peace (this is a diplomatic nightmare: imagine we used this policy in the Cold War, or Pakistan and India use it, Japan and N. Korea, etc.)

3) the fact that after taking Iraq, we now have the epic task of keeping the peace and installing a new government. This has gone poorly in Afghanistan. In Iraq where it will be much easier for "martyrs" from inside and outside the country to cause havok, it will be much worse. we may be in Iraq for over 10 years at least! remember, this is not like Japan circa 1946, our troops will not become friends, they will become targets.

4) by acting against the UN's wishes, (by the way, these were some of the reasons that the UN didn't want to invade-- it's the one that has to clean up any diplomatic messes) we have ostracized the world's major diplomatic forum, and have turned the world's popular sentiment and sympathy against us. Using Weapon Inspectors may not have been as fast, but they were a fair compromise to all involved, which is what diplomacy is about.

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[FiveB247]

Perhaps some things can't be disclosed at this time due to security, safety and future operational tactics. We elect these officials to do what is in our best interest as a nation. Yes, this isn't always the case. However, I believe that an endeavor this grand has just reasons, known and those undisclosed.

I obviously understand the 'classified info' and security measures, but if the US was serious about getting a UN coalition together, they would have shared or let others even just a little in order to gain serious international support. The US made many allegations, claims and such, but little was backed by complete fact and data. And up to this point in the war..there's still no rock solid evidence proving of WMD, which was supposed to be one of the main issues and causes for the invasion. The US lobbied hard for international consensus and support and the minute they find something or have proof that shows they are justified and had proper intentions, they will say so and make it know to the world as quickly as possible to gain credibility and try and rid themselves of the na-sayers throughout the world.

Ps...I find it funny how you mentioned the officials have our interests at heart. To them, we are no more then our tax dollars. Paying for the war, that's what our job will be.

[LiquidCourage]

I think more people in the rest of the world wouldn't be as anti war if Bush had practiced better diplomacy. Did anyone else hear about all those threatening letters they sent out?

[TheMojoPin]

Sure.

I've already said I pretty much have no dobut he has some WMD's or has been trying to develop them again. I just still don't understand how he suddenly became MORE of a threat NOW than he's ever been in the last 25 years. But yeah, prove me wrong on the Al-Queda thing and I'll happily admit it...catching the guys that ACTUALLY threaten and scare me is nothing but good.

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[high fly]

I'd not think it's a mistake if it were shown that Iraq was directly involved in the attacks on Sept. 11th.
Also I am not convinced that we have done all we could to 1] foment a popular uprising [admittedly not likely of success, but it's been done], 2] foment a coup d'etat, 3] assassinate Hussein.
The bastard's gotta go, and these are three ways to get rid of him short of war.
We also need to keep in mind that there is a possibility that our leaders have information that cannot be revealed that compels them to act now.

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[curtoid]

My reasons against the war have been mentioned by others (ie: motivations behind it
/ the aftermath/ the way it was handled), so I am still against the war...

HOWEVER I have said from day one that I hope to god we find TONS of weapons of
mass destruction because I think that's the only hope we (as a nation) have after this
war is overwith.

Of course, the Hawks behind this war will be filled with so much GLEE that they will
"rub it in the world's faces," if given a chance, that any HOPE for trying to defuse the
world, even just a little bit, will be blown.

We're just not getting it - we have become the Holy Roman Empire!

[KOP]

[spoon]

We're just not getting it - we have become the Holy Roman Empire!

While your idea of gloating does seem very possible, the above comparison is ludicrous. I suppose we plan to make Iraq the next commonwealth? What is your justification here?

I for one hope we don't find a cache of chemical, biological and weapons of mass destruction, but prove the effort and some still far off first step materials and the likes. I say this bc if Iraq has managed to get its hands on the above mentioned weapons, imagine what others who aren't under the "UN's inspections", world sanctions, and under the world's eye (US).

For me, the proof that we are justified came very early in the fighting when the Iraqi's showed the world, even though it seems not to notice, that it is a human rights nightmare. Iraq had 4.7 billion dollars of assets frozen, which alone could have righted a nation that starved and struggled while the "president" and family has thirty palaces. The use of civilian populations as buffers and shields, there treatment of prisoners, and the many other examples we have all witnessed, read, or discussed before at R/F net.

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[A.J.]

We're just not getting it - we have become the Holy Roman Empire!


We're neither "Holy" nor "Roman": discuss.

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