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HordeKing1
04-10-2003, 07:26 PM
Open letter to journalists following the Iraq war by Naomi Ragan

Dear Mr./Ms. Journalist,

Being that you are all so busy these days, and it might be hard to summarize all the many lessons that were forthcoming from the war to free Iraq, I thought I'd give you a hand and summarize them for you:

1. Arab sources lie spectacularly. As the now unavailable Iraqi Minister of Information proved, reality and Arab information are only coincidentally connected. So, the next time you cover the Israel-Palestinian conflict, please don't report stories based only on Palestinian sources. This might put into perspective the Jenin 'massacre', etc.

2. Arab tactics make it impossible to avoid collateral civilian damage. The next time you are tempted to cite "excessive force" by Israeli forces, or bemoan the long wait at Israeli checkpoints, remember this: the Arabs use ambulances to carry weapons. They put suicide belts into cars with pregnant women then have her cry for help at checkpoints. They put bomb factories in schools and private homes. They use children as human shields. They fire from apartment houses, encouraging forces to fire back.

3. When the Palestinians speak movingly about how they've suffered, and when other Arabs talk about the Arab-Israeli conflict in terms of alleviating injustice and suffering of the Palestinian people, please remember this: The Arab world, and the Palestinians in particular, were against any attempt to alleviate the true suffering of the Iraqi people under the mad man Saddam Hussein. Whatever the Palestinians suffered pales in comparison to the Iraqis. No one took their children away. No one put them in vats of acid. No one held them in torture chambers. If the Arab world really did care about their
brethren, why were they against this war to free the Iraqis? And if we draw the conclusion that they couldn't care less about each other, what is their motive for hating Israel and trying to destroy her? Can it be less noble? Can it be that they can't stand the idea of Jews in the neighborhood?

4. Except for a few reporters here and there, you were all totally wrong about everything. Peter Jennings, New York Times reporters, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, you name it. The Wall Street Journal was the only one that got it consistently right. There was no "quagmire." There was no large number of civilian casualties, and no huge coalition casualties. It wasn't a war about oil, but about liberation. The Iraqi's didn't put up a stiff resistance. The Iraqis danced in the street and shouted: Thank You Mr. Bush. Don't you think you should try a different profession, or at least practice this one with a
little more caution and humility when reporting from the Middle East?

All the best,

Naomi Ragen

Please visit my Web page at: http://www.NaomiRagen.com

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ADF
04-10-2003, 07:50 PM
I definitely agree with points one through three. Point four is a little iffy, as I don't think you could say that every news source (aside from the Wall Street Journal) was "totally wrong about everything."

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TheMojoPin
04-10-2003, 08:34 PM
HordeKing must REALLY hate "Operation: Iraqi Freedom".

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HBox
04-10-2003, 08:47 PM
This lady isn't exactly the most objective of sources.

HordeKing1
04-11-2003, 02:21 PM
ADF, you're right about point 4. The other journalists certainly weren't wrong about everything. They just weren't consistently right, and wrong about some things.

However, this letter was not written by me and it is improper to quote someone and edit the contents of the quote. I posted the entire letter.

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HordeKing1
04-11-2003, 02:24 PM
This article was in the NY Times, from the chief news executive at CNN. It sounds like he's almost appologizing. Guility conscience for actions taken and statements made.


April 11, 2003
The News We Kept to Ourselves
By EASON JORDAN

ATLANTA - Over the last dozen years I made 13 trips to Baghdad to lobby the government to keep CNN's Baghdad bureau open and to arrange interviews with Iraqi leaders. Each time I visited, I became more distressed by what I saw and heard - awful things that could not be reported because doing so would have jeopardized the lives of Iraqis, particularly those on our Baghdad staff.

For example, in the mid-1990's one of our Iraqi cameramen was abducted. For weeks he was beaten and subjected to electroshock torture in the basement of a secret police headquarters because he refused to confirm the government's ludicrous suspicion that I was the Central Intelligence Agency's Iraq station chief. CNN had been in Baghdad long enough to know that telling the world about
the torture of one of its employees would almost certainly have gotten him killed and put his family and co-workers at grave risk.

Working for a foreign news organization provided Iraqi citizens no protection. The secret police terrorized Iraqis working for international press services who were courageous enough to try to provide accurate reporting. Some vanished, never to be heard from again. Others disappeared and then surfaced later with whispered tales of being hauled off and tortured in unimaginable ways.
Obviously, other news organizations were in the same bind we were when it came to reporting on their own workers.

We also had to worry that our reporting might endanger Iraqis not on our payroll. I knew that CNN could not report that Saddam Hussein's eldest son, Uday, told me in 1995 that he intended to assassinate two of his brothers-in-law who had defected and also the man giving them asylum, King Hussein of Jordan. If we had gone with the story, I was sure he would have responded by killing the
Iraqi translator who was the only other participant in the meeting. After all, secret police thugs brutalized even senior officials of the Information Ministry, just to keep them in line (one such official has long been missing all
his fingernails).

Still, I felt I had a moral obligation to warn Jordan's monarch, and I did so the next day. King Hussein dismissed the threat as a madman's rant. A few months later Uday lured the brothers-in-law back to Baghdad; they were soon killed.

I came to know several Iraqi officials well enough that they confided in me that Saddam Hussein was a maniac who had to be emoved. One Foreign Ministry officer told me of a colleague who, finding out his brother had been executed by the regime, was forced, as a test of loyalty, to write a letter of congratulations on the act to Saddam Hussein. An aide to Uday once told me why he had no front teeth: henchmen had ripped them out with pliers and told him never to wear dentures, so he would always remember the price to be paid for upsetting his boss. Again, we could not broadcast anything these men said to us.

Last December, when I told Information Minister Muhammad Said al-Sahhaf that we
intended to send reporters to Kurdish-controlled northern Iraq, he warned me they would "suffer the severest possible consequences." CNN went ahead, and in
March, Kurdish officials presented us with evidence that they had thwarted an armed attack on our quarters in Erbil. This included videotaped confessions of two men identifying themselves as Iraqi intelligence agents who said their bosses in Baghdad told them the hotel actually housed C.I.A. and Israeli agents.
The Kurds offered to let us interview the suspects on camera, but we refused, for fear of endangering our staff in Baghdad.

Then there were the events that were not unreported but that nonetheless still haunt me. A 31-year-old Kuwaiti woman, Asrar Qabandi, was captured by Iraqi secret police occupying her country in 1990 for "crimes," one of which included speaking with CNN on the ph

silera
04-11-2003, 02:34 PM
I don't get how on the one hand you feel pity for these Arab Muslim's tortured by Saddam and on the other you feel that their slaughter by the US would be justified.



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HordeKing1
04-11-2003, 02:39 PM
That was a letter from CNN news chief showing ommission about material events in their broadcast. Clear evidence of bias.

In regard to your question, people who have rebelled against the hatred of US and Israel, have made the right choice and are not the bad guys. The bad guys are those who hate us and seek to destroy us - the overwhelming majority of the entire region.



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silera
04-11-2003, 02:43 PM
How do our bombs distinguish those people from the majority?

In regard to your question, people who have rebelled against the hatred of US and Israel, have made the right choice and are not the bad guys.

Like the Shiites and Kurds that rose up against Saddam after the Gulf war, and were subsequently slaughtered or tortured because the US turned its back to them?

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

I'm not saying I feel that way, I'm saying, walk in their shoes.



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This message was edited by silera on 4-11-03 @ 7:23 PM

TooCute
04-11-2003, 03:10 PM
he bad guys are those who hate us and seek to destroy us - the overwhelming majority of the entire region.

You mean the overwhelming majority that was cheering the troops in Baghdad?

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TheMojoPin
04-11-2003, 03:19 PM
I'm going to ask this directly to HK...do you feel any support, sympathy or joy for the Iraqis who have been liberated from Hussein's rule? Do they get a "second chance", or are they simply doomed to be another "bunch of Arabs" because of who they are and what they may have been taught/told and where they were born?

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HordeKing1
04-11-2003, 03:21 PM
Of course I'm happy they were liberated. Now they have a chance. Time will tell if they're still cheering in a year or 10 years.

Bombs don't distinuish. In every war there are causualties. Would you rather not have liberated them? Would you rather the US not nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Even though it killed hundreds of thousands, (back then, the payload was realatively small), it saved hundred of thousand of American lives.



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TheMojoPin
04-11-2003, 03:36 PM
Of course I'm happy they were liberated. Now they have a chance. Time will tell if they're still cheering in a year or 10 years.

Bombs don't distinuish. In every war there are causualties. Would you rather not have liberated them? Would you rather the US not nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Even though it killed hundreds of thousands, (back then, the payload was realatively small), it saved hundred of thousand of American lives.

Chance? But millions of them are adults who have already been to the schools and mosques where they are trained to hate the rest of the world! Do we have thought-bombs now?

And what is the latter paragraph even addressing? I have actually praised the US's ability to wage a new kind of war and marvelled at the remarkably low civilian casuality rate leading up to the invasion of Baghdad. My question is just who do these Arabs get a second chance, while the rest are seemingly deemed as "hopeless"? Maybe you just haven't been clear, but your anti-Arab posts have indicated that killing as many as possible may NOT be "the last solution" and might be required ASAP. You haven't really implicated at all that perhaps further instances of regime change might "save" the Arabs, except for one post where your briefly mentioned how we need to force a change in the Arab education system. I'm just curious...for the longest time it seemed you were saying things had gone too far and there was no hope for the Arab world...now it sounds like there ARE alternatives to just killing them left and right? What do you want done here? Saddam was one of THE most vocal anti-Israeli leaders in the Middle East...if his people can get a second chance, certainly there's hope for all the other Arabs, right?

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Doomstone
04-11-2003, 04:41 PM
That was a letter from CNN news chief showing ommission about material events in their broadcast. Clear evidence of bias.


Did you even read the letter before you posted it? He said some events went unreported in order to spare people from what was, in essence, a death sentence. If you're a reporter, and you have to choose between a)reporting the facts and seeing people and their families killed because of it, or b)keeping those facts to yourself, which do you choose?

Maybe it's time you trade in that crown for a dunce cap, King.

extracheese
04-11-2003, 04:52 PM
doomstone - whats the difference WHY facts were kept quiet. Some reasons are pathetic and some are excellent ( like this one) BUT the fact is..we were informed only PART of the truth. Much of what we needed / should have known was kept secret. THATS THE POINT.

Bias was shown - thats a fact. Keep in mind the next time you read or hear something, that the reporter on the story may have compramised his objectivety.

have an open mind.

Doomstone
04-11-2003, 04:57 PM
Huh? So exactly what BIAS was shown? Bias against torture and slaughter?

I don't think that was the point HK was trying to make.

extracheese
04-11-2003, 05:06 PM
yes it was ..he was just bringing the story to our attention, that sometimes the media can FOR LONG PERIODS of time censor and alter the news we hear. Bias is defined as "a personal and sometimes unreasoned judgment". Well the article details just that fact.

thats all he was saying.

silera
04-11-2003, 05:11 PM
It goes both ways.


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