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TooCute
04-12-2003, 06:59 PM
Why has the word "semite" come to be equivalent to the word "jew"?
definition of the word "Semite" (from Haywood's Historical Atlas of the Ancient World):
Speakers of the Semitic languages, which originated in Arabia and western Mesopotamia, and spread as the Semitic peoples migrated and conquered neighboring regions, either replacing existing populations or establishing ruling elites that imposed their own languages. These peoples include the Akkadians, Amorites, Cannanites, Hebrews, Aramaeans, Chaldeans, Phoenicians, Sabaens, and Arabs.
and just for further reference:
Hebrews: People with a shared languages and religious identity whose ancestors may once have lived in northwest Mesopotamia before settling in Palestine (Canaan) in the mid-2nd millennium BC. Some Hebrews probably migrated to Egypt, where they lived as serfs before returning to the Levant in the late 13th century BC (th biblical stories of Moses and Joshua), colonizing areas previously dominated by Canaanite and Philistine cities. The monotheistic religious doctrine of Judaism was firmly established in the 9th centurey BC.
Jews: Descendants of and converts to the religion of a people expelled from Palestine by the Romans in the 1st century. Their religion contributed the Old Testament of the Bible. Important Jewish settlements could be found from central Asia to Britain in the medieval period. In the west they were subject from the 12th century onward to persecution. Jews were periodically massacred, for example in 1096 in the Rhineland. Excluded from England and France by 1300, they took refuge in Spain until 1492 and in north Africa. In Islamic lands Judaism was a protected religion, though Jews were second-class citizens.
Arabs: Semitic people of the Arabian peninsula, the first to be converted to Islam. By the time of the emergenc of Islam they were polarized between the nomadic tribes of the interior and the trading cities of the coast. The Arabs were polytheistic, but communities of Jews and Christians were important in the cities. Between 622 and 632 the Arabs adopted Islam, which became the vehicle of their expansion beyond the peninsula.
Islam: The religion established by the Prophet Muhammad following divine revalations beginning in 610. After a series of military campaigns to covert the Arab people, from 632 Islam spread, largely by conquest, extending eventually from the Atlantic to southeast Asia. Islam is monotheistic and claims to be the last of a series of divine revalations to humans. Its success was aided by its capacity to assimilate the cultureal heritage of conquered territories without compromising the core of the religion itself.
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FUNKMAN
04-12-2003, 07:19 PM
Alright! Enough with your Politics and Beliefs!
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You used to be sweet, what happened?
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TooCute
04-12-2003, 07:27 PM
Alright! Enough with your Politics and Beliefs!
What the fuck? In my effort to become better educated about Palestine and Israel I have been reading and this is what I learned.
Given the definition of "semite", it doesn't make sense to me that the word only applies to Jews today. If the answer is obvious to you, I'm sorry I attempted to educate myself. Why don't you share?
Oh, btw, this is a politics forum. Sorry to bring up politics.
You used to be sweet, what happened?
What cave have you been living in?
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DarkHippie
04-12-2003, 07:28 PM
I think I can answer this without it turning into a brawl:
Yes, technically semite refers to all the people in the region. This was the original, and strictest definition of the word. However, modern usage has deemed "semite" for the Jews and Arab for the . . . well . . . Arabs, as politics and history deemed it necessary that different terms be used.
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Johnny Fontane
04-12-2003, 07:34 PM
Why has the word "semite" come to be equivalent to the word "jew"?
I dunno...by the way, do you know where I can find an Arby's in New York? I like Arby's.
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Uncle Smokey
04-12-2003, 07:36 PM
You're right, semite is interchangeable for inhabitants of the near east. In fact, there is a semitic museum at Harvard which houses artifacts from many civilizations, which under the modern usage, would be regarded highly "anti-semitic" If memory serves, the term "anti-semite" was coined in germany in the late 19th century, by some sociologist or other attempting unsuccessfully (as social scientists are wont to do) to coin a technical name for what was regarded as a burgeoning social phenomenon. Apparently just calling it what it was, dislike of jews, wasn't enough.
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TooCute
04-12-2003, 07:42 PM
However, modern usage has deemed "semite" for the Jews and Arab for the . . . well . . . Arabs, as politics and history deemed it necessary that different terms be used.
No reason why this should be a brawl.
I understand this, but my question is why. Why not Jew or Hebrew? Isn't the current usage of the word "semite" really referring to Jews? Why not Arab/Hebrew or Muslim/Jew?
btw: another clarification - am I right in thinking that all Hebrews were/are Jews, but not all Jews are Hebrews (ie Hebrew = culture Jew = religion?)
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Uncle Smokey
04-12-2003, 07:56 PM
The term "anti-Semite" was coined in Germany in 1879 by [the antisemite] Wilhelm Marrih to refer to the anti-Jewish manifestations of the period and to give Jew-hatred a more scientific sounding name. "Anti-Semitism" has been accepted and understood to mean hatred of the Jewish people.
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ShelleBink
04-12-2003, 08:09 PM
wrap ur head around this
i had a native american jew in my family
*head explodes*
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TooCute
04-12-2003, 08:15 PM
wrap ur head around this
Ur, like the capitol of Mesopotamia = Iraq?
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ShelleBink
04-12-2003, 08:17 PM
i dont speak vulcan...
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TooCute
04-12-2003, 08:27 PM
The term "anti-Semite" was coined in Germany in 1879 by [the antisemite] Wilhelm Marrih to refer to the anti-Jewish manifestations of the period and to give Jew-hatred a more scientific sounding name. "Anti-Semitism" has been accepted and understood to mean hatred of the Jewish people.
Yay! Not that it makes sense, but there it is.
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ShelleBink
04-12-2003, 08:30 PM
you answered your own question?
well next time i wont bother
*puts away theology and religion books*
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TooCute
04-12-2003, 08:42 PM
you answered your own question?
well next time i wont bother
*puts away theology and religion books*
No, scroll up. Uncle Smokey did. i guess he speaks vulcan better than you do!
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TooCute
04-12-2003, 08:44 PM
http://www.arbys.com/locator For a list of Arby's locations!
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FUNKMAN
04-12-2003, 08:53 PM
, I'm sorry I attempted to educate myself. Why don't you share?
actually i'm the one who should apologize, i was off base...
i had just read Horde's vacation thread and then soon after i read your thread on semite...
i thought you had an alterior motive...
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TooCute
04-12-2003, 09:25 PM
actually i'm the one who should apologize, i was off base...
i had just read Horde's vacation thread and then soon after i read your thread on semite...
i thought you had an alterior motive..
np, actually the question came up while I was discussing it with HK. I'm glad I know the answer now :)
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IrishAlkey
04-13-2003, 12:26 AM
Jews don't like ovens.
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hamcunt
04-13-2003, 12:41 AM
Jews don't like ovens.
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Dewey
04-13-2003, 05:10 AM
A semite is a very tiny insect that infests semen.
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ShelleBink
04-13-2003, 05:55 AM
Guess The Jew.
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blakjeezis
04-13-2003, 06:06 AM
Half of a fullite?
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Johnny Fontane
04-13-2003, 05:50 PM
Visit this Website For a list of Arby's locations!
Thanks, TC (ugh...two locations in Niagra Falls, none in Manhattan!)
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04-13-2003, 06:00 PM
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Oh, sorry. I thought you said nanites.
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Uncle Smokey
04-13-2003, 06:00 PM
i had a native american jew in my family
How?
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FUNKMAN
04-13-2003, 06:20 PM
I only know about "dolemite", he was an african american tornado...
then there is the distant cousin "termite"...
they like to build homes wherever they please and eat wood...
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Tall_James
04-13-2003, 06:43 PM
That's it. I'm heading back over to the Wrestling Forum where they fight just as much as they do here...but there its all fake.
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curtoid
04-15-2003, 12:43 PM
I always thought it was an 18-wheeler for midgets.
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DarkHippie
04-15-2003, 01:01 PM
they like to build homes wherever they please and eat wood...
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East Side Dave
04-15-2003, 01:27 PM
I thought semites live on Tantooine and are easily frightened but come back in larger numbers. Was I wrong? I- I could have been wrong.
...I think I may have been wrong.
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JustJon
04-15-2003, 01:39 PM
You waited to ask until HK was on vacation, didn't you?
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ShelleBink
04-15-2003, 01:46 PM
I've been told that they wear pink shirts. Could be foolin me tho.
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