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furie

04-14-2003, 05:55 PM

West, Keaton, Conroy, Kilmer, or Clooney?

My vote goes to Kevin Conroy with Micheal Keaton as second best.

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SuperClerk

04-14-2003, 06:04 PM

Michael Keaton + Tim Burton + Danny Elfman = The Greatest Batman Ever

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04-14-2003, 06:04 PM

Michael Keaton + Tim Burton + Danny Elfman = Double Post

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Reephdweller

04-14-2003, 06:25 PM

Keaton all the way. Though Adam West was great too. Anyone who says Val Kilmer needs to be shot.

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04-14-2003, 06:27 PM

The best one has yet to be found

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04-14-2003, 06:28 PM

Michael Keaton, no questions asked.

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jamesdiggy

04-14-2003, 06:45 PM

I'd have to also go with Keaton. I did like Kilmer in the role, unfortunately he was stuck with a bad script and bad director.

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billyio

04-14-2003, 06:50 PM

I liked West and Keaton. Keaton played its darker side better. West was just too funny and how can ya resist that technicolor? The TV show looked like a comic book and that, I felt, was a big plus going for the Batman character.

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04-14-2003, 06:57 PM

Michael Keaton

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mikeyboy

04-14-2003, 06:57 PM

Kevin Conroy

I had to go to IMDB to figure out who the hell this guy is. I say he's disqualified, because he's only the voice of Batman.

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04-14-2003, 07:18 PM

West and Keaton hands down.

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TheMojoPin

04-14-2003, 08:12 PM

Conroy, easily. Keaton was a joke. He made Batman a midget who could hardly move in a rubber tank of a costume, and his Bruce Wayne alternated between being nuts/corny/distracted/retarded...but never tortured, driven or determined. It always seemed like Mr. Mom had just won the lottery, gotten a little pissed off, and couldn't find the Prozac.

Kilmer and Clooney were just like non-entities in the neon, screaming fright-houses of a film they were each in. They didn't even have a chance to be good or bad.

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04-14-2003, 08:23 PM

keaton

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04-14-2003, 08:25 PM

I go with West.
campy, cheesy, corny greatness

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Rancor6666

04-15-2003, 04:44 AM

Adam West is the shit. he is afuny mother fuker, hes like 80 with a 30 year old wife your not gona beat that shit. But the best Batman movie was Keaton. BatMan2 the bat, the cat, the penguin+ christopher walken the greatest actor ever= best batman movie.

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04-15-2003, 04:47 AM

keaton was the shiznizzy... clooney was just a disgrace to the batman name..

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04-15-2003, 11:41 AM

Conroy: even though he was just the voice, he was THE VOICE!

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04-15-2003, 11:44 AM

Adam West.

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04-15-2003, 12:34 PM

Conroy.

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04-15-2003, 12:50 PM

Who was the best Bateman? Jason, Justine or Patrick?

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04-15-2003, 02:18 PM

Gotta be Michael Keaton.

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shamus mcfitzy

04-15-2003, 02:26 PM

Conroy is THE voice of batman. The right actor definitely hasn't been found. I think Val Kilmer may have been the best and that's saying a lot. I do think Batman Returns was the best movie though, but not for Micheal Keaton's performance. I was watching it the other day and realized that he did seem to be retarded. Clooney was incredibly gay in the role, literally. So Kilmer has to be the best so far......i hope someone like Nic Cage plays Batman in the next movie, but Nic Cage from like 5 years ago......that would be badass

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04-15-2003, 02:32 PM

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04-15-2003, 02:46 PM

Who was the best Bateman? Jason, Justine or Patrick?

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furie

04-15-2003, 05:38 PM

The best one has yet to be found

now that i like!

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04-15-2003, 05:57 PM

keaton was straight up the money

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04-15-2003, 07:18 PM

Kevin Conroy + Paul Dini = Closest you'll ever see Batman as a moving picture. I have yet to see an actual actor that has pulled off your Friendly Neighborhood Pyschopath.

Keaton was stiff, but had better material in a franchise that ends up a showcase for the rogue's gallery . While Kilmer and Clooney have the physical type, they had the joy of working with The Gayest Director of All Time, Joel Schumacher. One of them might have pulled it off if they had anything to work with.

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furie

04-18-2003, 06:58 AM

I agree that Schumacher gave Kilmer and Clooney nothing to work with and he is the main reason why tose movies failed and eventually the franchise failed. I absolutely hated Kilmer has Batman. Mostly for his Bruce Wayne parts. I think Wayne is the true acting challenge of it all. Being Batman is easy. Put on a black body suit, say little to nothing, and kick ass. Wayne has to be this tortured driven man who is trying to put on the front of being a playboy.

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TheMojoPin

04-18-2003, 07:30 AM

Wayne has to be this tortured driven man who is trying to put on the front of being a playboy.

Of which Keaton was the WORST. Clooney just had nothing to go on, so I don't even count him...

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furie

04-18-2003, 07:45 AM

Of which Keaton was the WORST.

So you're saying Kilmer showed that he was a tourchered soul?!
How about happy go lucky West?
You've already counted out Clooney.
And the cartoon rarely shows Wayne, so Conroy's out of that.

Keaton wins by default.

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FMJeff

04-18-2003, 11:14 AM

Look guys...Batman has suffered from horrible scripts since the beginning, not to mention an offbalance of far more charismatic villains that stole the show. Batman I was Nicholson' s movie, without a doubt. DeVito's Penguin had far too much Tim Burton influence, I didn't like him...I enjoyed the waddling brilliance of the Burgess Meredith penguin. Jim Carrey was obviously the perfect Riddler....Two Face was obvioulsy thrown in for the hell of it, no character development there...same goes for Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze and ....dear G-d how they fucked up Bane....but I mean this is all WRITING...none of it is acting, except for Schwartzenegger, who had no right being Mr. Freeze. Freeze is not a fucking juicehead.

When I judge a Batman I look at three things:

1) How does he look on the costume? Does he have the physique...the physical presence to be Batman? Can he move like Batman? Does his eyes and mouth convey the pain?

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CLOONEY: NO!!!!! 
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KEATON - HANDS DOWN!!!

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The second thing I listen for is voice: When the costume goes on, does the voice change?

Clooney: NO.
KILMER: Yes.
Keaton: Yes, and he did it the best. No fucking jokes. (The bat signal is not a beeper...ugh...fuck you Schumacher)

The third thing I look for is the quality of acting as Bruce Wayne. I liked Keaton as Wayne...he seemed very tortured, like a man who wanted to enjoy his riches but couldn't because he was on a mission of revenge...

I dunno, for what I have available, Keaton was the best Batman.

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TheMojoPin

04-18-2003, 11:28 AM

So you're saying Kilmer showed that he was a tourchered soul?!
How about happy go lucky West?
You've already counted out Clooney.
And the cartoon rarely shows Wayne, so Conroy's out of that.

Keaton wins by default.

The cartoon (Especially the first film) spent a LOT of time dealing with not only Wayne, but Robin's "civilian" life as well. Kilmer showed an interesting contrast...his Wayne seemed to be always miserable, having the nightmares and flashbacks, seeing the psychiatrist...but then his Batman was very darkly comic...almost like he was a different person when he put the mask on...a kind of release for everything he has bottled up inside. Sure, he had shitty one-liners, but it was a nice, subtle touch. Still, I wouldn't want him back...

Keaton's Wayne made no sense. There was no consistent personality (Sometimes he's crazy! Sometime's he's wacky! Sometime's he's suave! Soemtime's he's thoughtful! It wasn't even acting range...it was just jumping all over the place!), and he seemed to only be into the Batman thing as some kind of hobby or idle past time.

Keaton wins nothing except a shot to the groin.

The first two films looked cool, but they've aged so much to the point that they're almost as bad as "Forever"...I think a clean slate should be started with "Year One" and everything else forgotten.

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furie

04-18-2003, 01:47 PM

See now, to me Kilmer just wasn't a believable Wayne. I wasn't getting the angst from him. and as Batman, well Jeff summed that up.

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NewYorkDragons80

04-18-2003, 03:07 PM

Kilmer and Clooney were just like non-entities in the neon, screaming fright-houses of a film they were each in. They didn't even have a chance to be good or bad.
I thought they were each pretty good as Batman if you only isolated their own work in the film. I thought Batman Forever was a pretty good movie if they had just took it down a notch. Tommy Lee Jones must have popped vessels in his brain from trying so hard.

If you ask me, Kilmer would have been an excellent Batman if he was in I or II.

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TheMojoPin

04-18-2003, 05:33 PM

And Jones could have been AWESOME and scary as hell as Two-Face if he didn't have to try and out-wacky Jim Carrey. Talk about missed opportunities...

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04-18-2003, 05:36 PM

Keaton best batman and Kilmer was better than Clooney in my opinion

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FMJeff

04-26-2003, 10:46 PM

What's been missing from ALL the films (Except for the shreads of it that I said Kilmer had, on purpose or not) that the cartoon got dead to rights was that Batman is the "real" personality, and Bruce Wayne is the mask. Wayne is supposed to find his "true" self when he puts on the mask, and when he's Bruce Wayne he's shallow, phony...just a dorky playboy. When he's on his own, sure, he's miserable and anguished...but in public, to ANYONE, Wayne was clearly a "part" being played. This is my biggest beef with Keaton, because his Wayne never did that. It seemed like he was the same guy all the time, only he had bizarre, inexplicable mood-swings, and happened to like to put on a rubber bat suit for kicks. It all bled together into one character-mush of a mess. There were no distinctions between any of the personalities that the cartoon and the best comics have created...

Yes but in the context of these three films, he was given the most to work with, because Burton had a better understanding of what Batman is than Schumacher, although he didn't get it completely. I will admit though I would imagine Schumacher had tremendous pressure from the franchise kurmudgens to lighten up in tone. Batman III and IV are what happens when non-creative people get involved making creative decisions.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on Kilmer though, Mojo. You can't expect me to believe a character is tortured just because they flash a 30 second "im so tortured" montage and turn the rest of the movie into a farce on sets that resembled my bedroom when i was 16 and had access to a blacklight and some cool White Zombie posters. Utterly ridiculous movie. Then again, I've never been a fan of Kilmer's work except when he's playing a wise talking asshole ala Top Secret or Willow. (Willow, in my opinion, made him a star...he shined in that movie in a role I don't think anyone else could have filled. It was written for HIM. G-d the writing in that movie was good...the running joke of calling Wllow a "peck" was a stroke of brilliance...fabricating slang...creates a whole new world...its the equivalent of halfling...only more insulting...and the movie was only 130 min long...if only Peter jackson took a page from Ron Howard and cut out about 20 of those sweeping landscape shots...trim that sucker down...fuck if i have to watch another wide shot of the New Zealand countryside im gonna fucking puke...)

Anyway, the Batman movies suck, except for Batman II...which was marginally entertaining.

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04-26-2003, 11:02 PM

I never liked the black costume. Bring back the blue and gray. That costume was the best. Please let the next BATMAN be at least 6 ft tall. With jet black hair and blue eyes! The way he supposed to look!

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04-27-2003, 06:30 PM

Michael Keaton.

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TheMojoPin

04-27-2003, 07:30 PM

Anyway, the Batman movies suck, except for Batman II...which was marginally entertaining.

Agreed...and I can only take the second one because of Walken's bithcin' hair. And don't get me wrong, I thought Kilmer was as bad as the rest, and was nowhere near being good...just amongts the three, his was the only Wayne that didn't seem like a perfectly average guy that just happened to throw on a rubber suit for kicks...he seemed a little withdrawn and uncomfortable with his role as "Wayne", which is something that comes across in the best Batman comics...but that's about all he had going for him, and that was barely there...and what little there was was shattered by all the shitty one-liners that script gave him to say as Batman.

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