Good news for file sharers

[HBox]

http://www.msnbc.com/news/905306.asp?0cv=CB10

This couldn't possibly stand up to appeal. I hope so though. This is a step in the right direction.

[TheMojoPin]

How could they rule against file-sharing in ANY way? Then you'd have to crack down on EVERY form of copying...which, given the internet, is probably easier than cracking down on online file-sharing...

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[jratt]

It looks like the RIAA and the movie industry
will be able to go after individle people that share andor download songsmovies of P2P networks such as Kazaa.They have forced service providers such as sprint to provide names of people that do these activities.They said that they are going to make some examples of people to scare away anyone that downloads this stuff. So if that is true every one that has downloaded any of this things is in danger of being an example
I read this today in the usa today and on another website.This sucks just when i learned how to copy movies to cdr and watch them on my dvd player this shit happens.maybe the music ind wouldnt be in so much trouble if they put some good music out and not the same old boring bullshit F the RIAA
I forgot to add they are suing two college students for millions cause of sharing songs i think the figures where 150,000.00 for each song and each download. now that is bullshit

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This message was edited by jratt on 4-28-03 @ 11:46 AM

[jratt]

just an update on this it looks like the RIAA is strong armming college students because they need to explain there loss in profit not because the music sucks right now no but because of file shareing


Students Settle File-Sharing Suit,
Each to Pay Recording Industry

By NICK WINGFIELD
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL


Four university students sued by major recording companies for operating campuswide programs that let users download music and other files have reached settlements under which they will each pay between $12,000 and $17,500 to the recording industry.

Under the terms of the separate settlements, the students, without admitting guilt in any of the recording industry's allegations, agreed to disable Web sites that allowed users at their respective schools to find songs and other files located on computers throughout their campus networks. The students, who were sued in federal courts in Michigan, New Jersey and New York last month, also agreed not to knowingly violate copyrights on sound recording by using the Internet to distribute music.

Daniel Peng at Princeton University in Princeton, N.J., and Joseph Nievelt at Michigan Technological University in Houghton, Mich., agreed to pay $15,000 to the recording companies, while Jesse Jordan and Aaron Sherman from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy, N.Y., agreed to pay $12,000 and $17,500, respectively. The students will make the payments on installment plans in the next several years.

The settlements resolve the first phase of what could be a risky legal gambit by the major record labels, including AOL Time Warner Inc.'s Warner Music, Sony Corp.'s Sony Music Entertainment, Vivendi Universal SA's Universal Music Group and Bertelsmann AG's BMG, to combat online music piracy, a phenomenon the labels blame for declining music sales. Recording industry executives said the lawsuits have resulted in at least 18 campuswide file-sharing networks being taken down, adding that they might ask for stiffer settlement terms in future legal actions.

While the recording industry alleged that the students were operating campus file-sharing networks modeled on Napster, representatives of the students said they did little more than run search engines akin to Google that let users find any kind of digital file, including songs. "He has never stolen anything," said Andy Jordan, the father of defendant Jesse Jordan.

Write to Nick Wingfield at nick.wingfield@wsj.com

Updated May 2, 2003



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[Se7en]

One of you young scholars answer this one for you, because I really want to know:

Did Metallica's attack upon Napster, and the firestorm that occurred afterwards, inadvertently aid in the creation of the numerous file sharers that exist today? Did it speed up the process? Or was it something that would have happened anyway?

Cause I would love for the irony to be that the whole Napster debacle helped create more file sharers rather than destroy them.

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[TheMojoPin]

Did Metallica's attack upon Napster, and the firestorm that occurred afterwards, inadvertently aid in the creation of the numerous file sharers that exist today? Did it speed up the process? Or was it something that would have happened anyway?

Cause I would love for the irony to be that the whole Napster debacle helped create more file sharers rather than destroy them.

Oh, it would have happened anyway, but I have no dbout the flood of press that Lars got for Napster by not shutting up about it really opened the floodgates. The number of people on average online with the file sharers before the Metallica debacle just doesn't even compare to how the skyrocketed....before, you'd be lucky to see about 10,000 users on Napster at any time...afterwards I think I'd usually see between 200,000 and 300,000, and often even higher...plus, Napster was really the only of its kind when it first appeared, it terms of mass appeal and simplicity, so hence why it was so popular...shutting it down just encouraged people to improve on it, often out of sheer spite...

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[Sage]

Cause I would love for the irony to be that the whole Napster debacle helped create more file sharers rather than destroy them.


I think that the industry shot itself in the foot with that one. Here was a technology, if they worked with it and harnessed it's power properly, could have been a huge marketing machine.

They could have pushed people towards Napster, get them hooked, then slowly add subscription fees. Maybe a few bucks for limited downloads, and $20/mo for unlimited.

Imagine, getting people to pay for the privilege of sharing. :)

Instead, the idiots tried to conquer what they could not understand, simply out of fear. And, as all revolutions come about, with one swipe of the hand of scared tyrant, an uprising springs against the same tyrant.

Idiots. They could've owned the whole file sharing business. And with an organized structure adding value, even when free upstarts popped up, the 'legal' one would be the strongest.

Greedy, scared little idiots. Serves them right. Now they are going to find it hard to stop pure peer to peer sharing. And the idiot thing about this is, they are only stopping the electronic transmission. If they stop the internet sharing, how tough is it to burn a 700mb CD filled with MP3s and send it in the mail..... frightened bastard people, that's what they are. :)

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[jratt]

Greedy, scared little idiots. Serves them right. Now they are going to find it hard to stop pure peer to peer sharing. And the idiot thing about this is, they are only stopping the electronic transmission. If they stop the internet sharing, how tough is it to burn a 700mb CD filled with MP3s and send it in the mail..... frightened bastard people, that's what they are.



the funny thing is some 12 year old wiz kid in his basement will make some program that the RIAA will not beable to hack and get the names of who is downloadibg what there are a few out there now. on a side not i love peer-2-peer programs i was able to dpwnload and watch a decent copy of X-men 2 this weekend great movie

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