An outrage

[HBox]

You need to read this article:http://www.msnbc.com/news/907379.asp?0cv=CB10

Two things. One, I want to see that fucking report. Two, I really think that, if true, that the Bush administration really is using 9/11 for his re-election campaign, it is one of the most incredibly insenstive things any politician has ever done.

More importantly, I don't care what that report says. I want to see it, and I believe every American has a right to see it.

[canofsoup15]

Unlike Graham, Goss insists there are no political "gotchas" in the report, only a large volume of important information about the performance and shortcomings of U.S. intelligence and law-enforcement agencies prior to September 11.


Its just more and more stuff our FBI,CIA,Goverment officials, whatever you want to call em, missed or screwed up on, you make it sound like he planned it.

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[LiquidCourage]

So what?

[Bergalad]

The article raises some interesting questions and possibilities, but nothing even close to solid. Graham is constantly blasting Bush, so anything he says is suspect from the start since he is trying to get Bush's job in 2004. Why are they holding the report? Who knows, but I am fairly sure there is a better reason than it could possibly damage Bush. They can't hold it for another year plus while facing a lot of pressure, so it would be better to release it now, or in the middle of the war even, to let it all die out prior to the Primaries.
I would agree that Bush was politicizing 911 if his speech was on or nearer to the day, but it will be a whole 9 days prior to 911. I don't think Bush needs all that much (as long as the economy improves) to defeat the weak competition from the Dems. It will be interesting to see what happens with the report though. Thanks for bringing it up.

[afterganger]

There is no question that both the Clinton administration and Bush administration had major major intelligence failures that cost American lives. How much of it was caused by the respective presidents is obviously up for debate. But no question that alot more people in these agencies should've been losing their jobs the past 6 years.
In fact if I was a Presidential candidate this would be the issue I would be attacking. I'd be saying when I'm in office there is going to be a major overhaul of intelligence agencies from the top down that has failed in its duties for the past 6 or 7 years. With signs that there is now econmic growth by I think 2% I would only make that a secondary issue because I think its a gamble cause the economy may start showing more postive signs. I'm much more confident in the idea that the CIA and FBI are going to screw up again and something will happen again.

[TheMojoPin]

I'm much more confident in the idea that the CIA and FBI are going to screw up again and something will happen again.

Well, that's a little depressing. You just assume that they've changed NOTHING since 9/11?

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[afterganger]

Clearly, since the number of terrorist attacks according to the State Dept. internationally is at its lowest point in 40 years (199 attacks) and add to that some of the recent arrests there's obviously some positive signs.
On the other hand, rememebr the FBI woman in I think it was Minnessota that alerted her boss pre 9/11 regardinging things she felt needed further investigation. Her boss that ignored her info regarding 9/11 recently got a promotion sometime this year. I don't remember when the story came out. And there's a new news story that an FBI agent just got fired because she told a federal prosecutor she found an item on an evidence collector's desk from the WTC site.
As long as there continues to be this treatment of whistleblowers in the FBI we'll never know when people screw up and people will just continue to. I'm a pessimist I guess. When people screw up, bad things happen. I'm sure there are some real superstars in the organizations, but I'm not 100% confident that they makeup for the others.
Is there any precedent for firing FBI or CIA heads by an administration?

[high fly]

The administration's attitude is really bothersome.
They come across as obsessed with secrecy and it appears they'll classify anything that would be embarrassing to them.
I read when some congressmen were asking for more information on 9-11 be released to us citizens, it was met with the reply "We don't want to give the terrorists an 'after action report'". It's as if any citizen who wants to know what happened is now a traitor working for the terrorists.


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I'm much more confident in the idea that the CIA and FBI are going to screw up again and something will happen again.



Well, that's a little depressing. You just assume that they've changed NOTHING since 9/11?

Didn't the F.B.I. or CIA (one of the two) get in hot water again recently when it came out that one of their liasons was dating an alleged Chinese spy?

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[TheMojoPin]

Didn't the F.B.I. or CIA (one of the two) get in hot water again recently when it came out that one of their liasons was dating an alleged Chinese spy?

Sounds like the FBI. It's never The Company. And if you say it is, we'll make you go "poof!"

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