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The Chairman
05-01-2003, 06:30 PM
I find this one of the most interesting diagnoses in the field of psychiatry/psychology. In fact, I was discussing it with a few Board members just the other day.

And now it's making headlines.

I'm not going to break out the textbook jargon here. Rather, I will describe Asperger's Syndrome (AS) in basic terms, as I've seen it.

AS can be essentially described as a form of autism characterized by the individual having a lack of empathy. The individual is often very intelligent and not learning impaired, and may, in fact, have exceptional talents or skills. Scientists have recently postulated that Einstein and Newton had AS. On the other hand, remember that doctor who killed patients with rat poison? He most certainly had AS.

A person with AS often has trouble making small talk, is impatient with the intellectual slowness of others, is narcissistic and is passionate for his/her mission in life. These traits often make the individual isolative and difficult to deal with. AS people often are hot tempered and have difficulty making eye contact.

For example, lack of empathy: The AS individual has difficulty seeing the world as others see it and cannot see it in another person's shoes.

A "little person" walks by you or me. We say, "wow, that must be difficult to be that small." An AS person might say, "that table is 3 feet off the floor and that person is two inches higher than the table, so that person must be 3'2".

You or I go to a comedy show and the comic is bombing and we feel sorry for the person and force a few laughs. The AS person might heckle but certainly isn't sweating through the bomb performance. They are more likely saying "I'm so much funnier than that."

An AS person might land a great job due to his or her intellect or educational background, but they may start picking their toenails in the middle of a meeting, come back from the bathroom and tell colleagues how bad their shit stank up the bathroom, or start picking their nose when meeting a new client. It's because they don't see how their actions may gross out others. While they come across as being less than pleasant people to be around, they certainly will give you an honest opinion. "Do I look fat?" They will tell you and not even realize they may be insulting you.

In most cases, AS people experience extreme difficulty in holding a job and making friends. They often will curse out or tell off their boss, because they think they are better and have an inability to realize that cursing out their boss might be taken badly by the boss. They overestimate their contribution to people or society, and might brag about being close to someone who is just using them.

AS people are often disliked intensely by individuals they think are their friends. They come off as narcissistic, as if they are God's gift to whatever they are involved in, often acting like (whatever) could not be successful without them while overinflating their own worth.

They may come off as hot tempered and extremely jealous at the success of others without AS. It is unfortunate. AS people are smart, but they often are perceived as "weird" "eccentric" or a "dick."

This diagnosis is one of the "hot ones" these days, just like ADHD, Panic Disorder and Eating Disorders have been previously, and you're going to hear more and more about it.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030501/od_nm/science_autism_dc_5

http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/

http://www.faaas.org/



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Reephdweller
05-01-2003, 07:24 PM
Wow, this is very interesting. I read the article on Einstein and Newton earlier, good to see more info and insight into this. Thanks.

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JerseyRich
05-01-2003, 07:49 PM
I think my cat might have this.

Everytime I come home from work or school and sit and complain about my day...all she can think about it food. Damnit!

Same idea, right?

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Sheeplovr
05-01-2003, 08:01 PM
ONe time my brother threw a appel at my head does that count

im a As. Ass

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JiZ
05-01-2003, 08:35 PM
A person with AS often has trouble making small talk, is impatient with the intellectual slowness of others, is narcissistic and is passionate for his/her mission in life. These traits often make the individual isolative and difficult to deal with. AS people often are hot tempered and have difficulty making eye contact.



Hey Chairman, does this also include unprovoked hatred and disrequard for human life? Please tell me the answer is yes so I can begin telling people I suffer from a syndrome.

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TheMojoPin
05-01-2003, 08:37 PM
Is this going to be Billy's new "disease"?

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mdr55
05-01-2003, 08:42 PM
Damn...when will people stop trying to classify everything and try to explain why people do the things they do. Can't we just BE? Damn the DSM-IV R. And all the researchers researching to justify their damn grants! Damn to Frued who was so damn sexually preoccupied that he didn't know it. Damn to Billy Staples for his constant intellectualization and rationalizing in trying to justify his addiction and seeking solace in the fact he has a "disease" that causes him to drink. "If you want to drink, just drink- I could care less if you have an addiction or disease, and stop making excuses!" And a BIG DAMN to NYC radio for not having Ron and Fez on! Bring the Damn Boys BACK to NYC! OK, I done. Damn!

mikeyboy
05-01-2003, 09:01 PM
Damn...when will people stop trying to classify
everything and try to explain why people do the things
they do. Can't we just BE? Damn the DSM-IV R. And all
the researchers researching to justify their damn
grants! Damn to Frued who was so damn sexually
preoccupied that he didn't know it. Damn to Billy
Staples for his constant intellectualization and
rationalizing in trying to justify his addiction and
seeking solace in the fact he has a "disease" that
causes him to drink. "If you want to drink, just drink- I
could care less if you have an addiction or disease, and
stop making excuses!" And a BIG DAMN to NYC radio for
not having Ron and Fez on! Bring the Damn Boys BACK
to NYC! OK, I done. Damn!


Well, this was all over the map... I suggest you seek
professional help.


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Death Metal Moe
05-01-2003, 09:07 PM
The individual is often very intelligent and not learning impaired, and may, in fact, have exceptional talents or skills.


Hmmmmm, sounds like me so far...

is impatient with the intellectual slowness of others,


GET TO THE POINT, RETARD!!!

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ADF
05-01-2003, 09:09 PM
ONe time my brother threw a appel at my head does that count

im a As. Ass



That sounds like some symbolism, a la <i>Metamorphosis</i>.

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The Chairman
05-02-2003, 12:26 AM
Hey Chairman, does this also include unprovoked hatred and disrequard for human life? Please tell me the answer is yes so I can begin telling people I suffer from a syndrome.



Nah, that would be sociopathy or antisocial personality disorder.

You don't have Asperger's Jiz. You have INORFPFOTSD, short for "In Need Of Recognition For Providing Feeds Of The Show Disorder."

Thanks again for providing those live feeds. I really appreciate it! You know I always give you a shout out when I'm on the air!

Oh and congrats on your not smoking and doing drugs and drinking!



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spoon
05-02-2003, 02:42 AM
I'm Doug, and I'm outta heeeeeeeeere!

Sweet quote Moe! That's from The State right?

Hey chairman, thanks for wasting my fucking valuble time reading that worthless post! Nudge!
Stop fucking staring at me!

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Disúgrunútled
05-02-2003, 02:47 AM
Damn the DSM-IV R.


I totally agree with you there. I think everyone on this board can find at least 5 mental illnesses for themselves from this manual. Wait, this sounds like I am insulting the board and not the book. HA ;)

I am, and always will be,in a state of sulky dissatisfaction.

Def Dave in SC
05-02-2003, 09:47 AM
I'm Doug, and I'm outta heeeeeeeeere!


And i thought i was the only one who knew the wonders of doug!!


And Chairman, there's this book by kinky friedman, its called "Meanwhile back at eh ranch". An unusual detective/mystery with the main story revolving around a boy with AS


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The Chairman
05-02-2003, 02:15 PM
Damn the DSM-IV R.


I purposely avoided referencing the DSM-IV in presenting the diagnostic features, sticking to more real world, anecdotal examples.

I agree that most, if not all, of us can be fit into a DSM-IV diagnosis (hell, nicotine addiction has it's own DSM code.) But for certain diagnoses, I feel there are people who actually benefit from knowing they are not alone and that others have the same symptoms.

Take OCD for example. Years ago, people called them neat freaks. People with OCD thought they were weird. Now there are effective medications for OCD, support groups, etc. Or Borderline Personality Disorder. Do most adolescent females with BPD know they have BPD? No. But they also realize that self injurious behavior (cutting) for example is not "normal" (I hate that word). So when I watch the movie Secretary, I can look at Maggie Gyllenhaal's character and say "Borderline" and not "weirdo."

If I had Asperger's, I'd like others around me to know. Instead of people just thinking I was strange at best and an asshole at worst, they, since they did have empathy, might understand me better.


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This message was edited by The Chairman on 5-2-03 @ 6:26 PM

JiZ
05-02-2003, 02:28 PM
You don't have Asperger's Jiz. You have INORFPFOTSD, short for "In Need Of Recognition For Providing Feeds Of The Show Disorder."

Thanks again for providing those live feeds. I really appreciate it! You know I always give you a shout out when I'm on the air!

Oh and congrats on your not smoking and doing drugs and drinking!



Thanks for the diagnosis. Actually, I don't need anymore recognition cause I shut mine down. The IM's were getting to me. Of course, being as nice as you are, feel free to IM me for a fix:)

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EffMeBoobs
05-02-2003, 06:24 PM
Maggie Gyllenhaal's


Her brother is so hot.

Oh. Sorry. Carry on.

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The Chairman
05-02-2003, 07:02 PM
Her brother is so hot.


You think Donnie Darko is hot?

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Arienette
05-03-2003, 05:27 AM
ONe time my brother threw a appel at my head does that count
That sounds like some symbolism, a la Metamorphosis.but those goddamn lodgers won't leave.


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spoon
05-07-2003, 02:50 PM
If I had Asperger's, I'd like others around me to know. Instead of people just thinking I was strange at best and an asshole at worst, they, since they did have empathy, might understand me better.

Actually, you wouldn't give a shit what people around you thought or knew. You'd have Asperger's, remember.

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05-07-2003, 03:10 PM
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golfcourseguy
05-10-2003, 02:24 PM
ONe time my brother threw a appel at my head does that count
This happened to me every time my brother went to a "Magritte-a Party"

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SatCam
05-10-2003, 02:31 PM
Ah yes! My diagnosis at last! I have AS!

When I first clicked this I thought it might be related to weed.

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