Pakistan offers nuclear-free deal

[furie]

<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/05/05/pakistan.india.nuclear.ap/index.html" target="_blank"> SLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) -- Pakistan will get rid of its nuclear arsenal if rival India does as well, a Pakistani official said Monday. </a>



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[FiveB247]

These are exactly the type of deals and treaties the US should step up and back as well as incorporate others nations in on.

But instead of using this as a beginning...it's left to the two parties to discuss alone and the US is no where to be found. Instead we're disarming nations with war and threats. It's all about initiative and goals.

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[The Jays]

... dude, they just announced this today, calm down...

...the US has been all about Pakistan and India coming to a peaceful resolution... now if they are both willing, I'm sure the US will back a treaty....

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Frankly, I think we need to get involved and make sure we know exactly what happens to the nukes in Pakistan if this happens. Them having nukes never sat well with me.

[ADF]

But instead of using this as a beginning...it's left to the two parties to discuss alone and the US is no where to be found.


Why does the US have to do anything? Sure, it'd be nice if we commented happily on the possibilities of reducing the amount of nuclear weapons in the world, but do we need to do more? It would be nice for a change to see two relatively civilized nations come to an agreement on their own. I don't see why we have to stick our proverbial nose into everybody's business. If things fail, maybe then we step in to try to bring both parties back to the bargaining table.

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[FiveB247]

Why does the US have to do anything? Sure, it'd be nice if we commented happily on the possibilities of reducing the amount of nuclear weapons in the world, but do we need to do more? It would be nice for a change to see two relatively civilized nations come to an agreement on their own. I don't see why we have to stick our proverbial nose into everybody's business. If things fail, maybe then we step in to try to bring both parties back to the bargaining table.

In case you have paid attention since the end of the Cold War, the US has attempted in many cases to try and remove nuclear capabilities of various nations as well as try to remove WMD from areas.

If you somehow think two opposing nations which have religious differences as well disputes over Kashmir will create a permeant and lasting peace, it'd be like saying..let's walk out of the Middle East and expect the Israel/Palestine conflict to be resolved.

Like I said in my last post....it would be an opportune time for the US to boost international support against nuclear powers/weapons.... especially in unstable nations holding them. But we can always stick to our current policies of waiting til someone is a threat and then just go to war.

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[Bergalad]

Thank you Five for turning yet another thread completely around. Who else can take potential good news and bend it into an "America is evil" diatribe. What a happy world view you have. How about commenting on the actual thread for a change instead of shitting on the US every fucking post. I for one am encouraged by this report, although it seems highly unlikely that anything will come of it due to remaining issues with the Kashmir region and the continual cross-border incursions by government sponsored militants. It would be a great deal though if it worked out and would significantly improve world security. Interesting to see how it all pans out in the next two months.

[A.J.]

It'll never happen. India and Pakistan may learn to coexist much more peacefully but they will never give up the nuclear capability they have pursued. Not only do these weapons give them a sense of security but it makes them important players on the world scene as members of the "nuclear club".

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[FiveB247]

Thank you Five for turning yet another thread completely around. Who else can take potential good news and bend it into an "America is evil" diatribe. What a happy world view you have. How about commenting on the actual thread for a change instead of shitting on the US every fucking post. I for one am encouraged by this report, although it seems highly unlikely that anything will come of it due to remaining issues with the Kashmir region and the continual cross-border incursions by government sponsored militants. It would be a great deal though if it worked out and would significantly improve world security. Interesting to see how it all pans out in the next two months.

My mention of the US is for this.........it would be an opportune time for the US to boost international support against nuclear powers/weapons.... especially in unstable nations holding them. Doesn't seem like a bad idea and it could only help our role as well as international support for containment of nuclear power. But since it is obvious that won't occur, I stated this.. But we can always stick to our current policies of waiting til someone is a threat and then just go to war.

Of course this is a great step between Pakistan and India...but didn't most think the same of the Oslo Accords? It's a way to help further achieve a goal of peace, stability and remove 2 nuclear capabilities. Does that somehow bother you?

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[furie]

let's walk out of the Middle East and expect the Israel/Palestine conflict to be resolved.


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[FiveB247]

Yes! That's the spirit! I knew you'd see the light eventually.

I have no problem with the US becoming completely isolationist...or the opposite , complete World police. Atleast one way or the other we'd have our policies be un-hypocritical and not use our ' let's apply this rule' here and not there policies.

The only reason we have ties to the Middle East is for oil. Maybe if we left, we actually try and find a cleaner, safer and more environmentally conscience source for energy. But that'll never happen you can charge a fee for solar rays. Not even Con Edison is that good.

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[Bergalad]

Alright Five. When I read your post and commented on it (before you edited it) was much harsher to the US. At least you toned it down some in the edit, so there is hope.

[FiveB247]

Bergalad..I'm disappointed in you my man. Using an excuse like "editing" to back out of a debate? I never edited my content, I edited a spelling/ grammatical mistake.

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[ADF]

have no problem with the US becoming completely isolationist...or the opposite , complete World police. Atleast one way or the other we'd have our policies be un-hypocritical and not use our ' let's apply this rule' here and not there policies


The US applies its policies in a manner that will further its own interests. Being the world police for every nation is financially impossible and unwanted.

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[FiveB247]

The US applies its policies in a manner that will furthers its own interests. Being the world police for every nation is financially impossible and unwanted.

Well maybe you can attempt to find some sort of "equality", "justice", "furtherment of deomcracy and similar values" in that kind of policy, but I certainly do not. It's half-assed, hypocritical and further more profits off of others misery; which I find disgusting.

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[Bergalad]

Um, you absolutely changed your post, not just your usual spelling errors. The one you have there now is more centrist, which is somewhat refreshing actually. And I never back out of an argument. Why should I when I am always right?

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[FiveB247]

Um, you absolutely changed your post, not just your usual spelling errors. The one you have there now is more centrist, which is somewhat refreshing actually. And I never back out of an argument. Why should I when I am always right?

Why the f' would I lie about what I write? I think it's pretty apparent via my other posts that I don't conform with or by what others think and say. Sorry if you misinterpreted my post or something...but everything you see there now is how I wrote it, I simply changed a few minor spelling/gramatical mistakes. All the content and info I wrote is exactly the same!

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[FiveB247]

Btw...The posts times don't even coincide to the way you are interpreting it. So it's obviously a mistake on your part.

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[Bestinshow]

These are exactly the type of deals and treaties the US should step up and back as well as incorporate others nations in on.


I agree 100% and somehow I believe if we are not involved we will be. We do involve ourselves in all such matters and I would be shocked if this was an exception.

Well maybe you can attempt to find some sort of "equality", "justice", "furtherment of deomcracy and similar values" in that kind of policy, but I certainly do not. It's half-assed, hypocritical and further more profits off of others misery: which I find disgusting.


Five, this is the kind of blanket anti-US statement that you sometimes make that gets on peoples nerves. With the complexity of the world, different priorities,different administrations and different conditions it is impossible to be consistent. This is the real world, not a text book model. Nobody is perfect and we do make mistakes. But to call it hypocritical, half assed and profits off misery? Come on. When do we profit off misery? You paint such a dark, evil picture of this country.

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[silera]

I don't see why we have to stick our proverbial nose into everybody's business.

Amen.

Come on. When do we profit off misery?

Just as Five comments are heavy handed in pessimism, yours are wrought with what I hope isn't hopeless naivety.


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[Bergalad]

To get this back on track, it looks like things are actually going pretty well over there right now. India named a high-level commission today to begin working on relations and has lowered its presence along the border. Way too early to get all excited, but things are looking fairly good.

[Bestinshow]

Just as Five comments are heavy handed in pessimism, yours are wrought with what I hope isn't hopeless naivety.


Maybe so. But not talking for every individual politician, in general, I don`t believe our motives, as a country are that dark.

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[Bergalad]

Btw...I noticed you didn't write back to me about when you accused me of editing (content in) my post in the Pakistan thread? I completely proved you incorrect of such things...and you quietly shut up. hmm? Do you have a comment now?
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The original time of your post was
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This message was edited by FiveB247 on 5-6-03 @ 1:03 AM
Then you said
Btw...The posts times don't even coincide to the way you are interpreting it. So it's obviously a mistake on your part.

So now what are you bitching about? Exactly. You changed both the content and tone of your post at the same time I was commenting on it, and in fact both your edit and my comments to you posted on the thread at the SAME FUCKING TIME! I was quiet about it because I didn't feel it necessary to continue on about something you would argue to death even though you were proven wrong. However, since you called me out in a completely separate thread for no reason, I am compelled to show that you were wrong, you did in fact change your post significantly in both tone and content, and that you are acting like a complete ass. Satisfied?

[FiveB247]

So now what are you bitching about? Exactly. You changed both the content and tone of your post at the same time I was commenting on it, and in fact both your edit and my comments to you posted on the thread at the SAME FUCKING TIME! I was quiet about it because I didn't feel it necessary to continue on about something you would argue to death even though you were proven wrong. However, since you called me out in a completely separate thread for no reason, I am compelled to show that you were wrong, you did in fact change your post significantly in both tone and content, and that you are acting like a complete ass. Satisfied?

Yeah..you got me...hudla hudla?! As you posted your message, I simultaneously (same minute) read your message and edited my post in hopes I could appease the likes of you? Do you have a conspiracy placing me at the Grassy Knoll as well?

HEAR ME NOW, I would never, ever edit the content of my post for the sake of bothering another. I think it's very apparent via my beliefs, posts and ideas that I do not curb myself on the whim of hearing argumentative words in response. So you even implying that I would do so, at the likes of you no less, is nothing more then absurd. I edited my post for a spelling and grammar error, THAT'S IT!

You are wrong and incorrect. Now Good Day sir.

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