The Matrix

[FMJeff]

Only a handful of days away from the most anticipated movie of 2003 (in my opinion, anyway)...anyone getting advanced tickets? I'm going to be online like a Star Wars nerd...

The vibe in the theater is gonna be awesome!

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[Fallon]

I wish I had advanced tickets for this one. My bud tried to get some, but couldn't. We might watch the original Matrix this week, then check out Reloaded at the theater.

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[JustJon]

Jeff is posting this from his laptop in front of the movie theatre, where he has been sitting for the past month...

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[Jennitalia]

i didnt think i'd ever defend jeff, but jon, you've been a walking hard-on waiting for this movie to come out as well. please

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[Fallon]

Jeff is posting this from his laptop in front of the movie theatre, where he has been sitting for the past month...
Nah, he's using text messaging from his phone...

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[JiZ]

Can't wait to download this one.

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[Doogie]

I found that the best time to see the movie locally for me is in the afternoon at Matinee time. I have an advantage since I am out of work by 230PM and theatre is less than three mins from work. And I also have been a "walking hard on" waiting for this movie to come out...

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[StupidGirlllll]

I heard it sucked. From a morning talk show they said that Jada Picket Smith killed it.

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[TheMojoPin]

I heard it sucked. From a morning talk show they said that Jada Picket Smith killed it.

She's in it for about 20 minutes. Oooooh, scary.

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[Def Dave in SC]

I have a half day Thursday and i will be skipping the final class period to go see it. Woooohoooooooo

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[DarkHippie]

the Matrix makes my scrotum sing

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[Captain Rooster]

Read Plato's "Allegory of the Cave" and compare the story to the Matrix. The resemblence is uncanny.

I can't wait to see the new film.



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[Rancor6666]

i cant fukin wait. as soon as my last final is done im getting to the first showing availble.

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[JustJon]

i didnt think i'd ever defend jeff, but jon, you've been a walking hard-on waiting for this movie to come out as well. please

I didn't try to dress as Neo for Halloween...

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[Se7en]

I heard it sucked. From a morning talk show they said that Jada Picket Smith killed it.


If anyone could ruin it, it would be her.

Odds are still good, though, that it will definitely NOT suck.

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[Teenweek]

Make sure to stay after the credits. It was in the Post today that the trailer for Revolutions is right after the credits.

[FMJeff]

I didn't try to dress as Neo for Halloween...


What in the hell WAS your costume anyway...

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[JustJon]

Your Mom's Box

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[Reephdweller]

I heard it sucked. From a morning talk show they said that Jada Picket Smith killed it


if anyone could do it it's her.

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[HBox]

I'll be seeing this Wednesday night, but I have a really bad feeling about it. I have this feeling it might really blow, I really hope that's just a feeling. BTW, I heard a rumor that the trailer for Matrix Revolutions runs after the credits. I'll be sticking around for that.

[DC Reed]

got pre-sales tickets for 7pm thursday. But im really looking forward to (braces for laughter..) Seabiscuit. Its prolly gonna be an oscar nominee and if your into the Triple Crown such as myself, youll like it.

But oh yah, the matrix, yah looks awesome.

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[JustJon]

BTW, I heard a rumor that the trailer for Matrix Revolutions runs after the credits. I'll be sticking around for that.
That's not rumor, that's truth.

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[TheMojoPin]

Read Plato's "Allegory of the Cave" and compare the story to the Matrix. The resemblence is uncanny.

Read Grant Morrison's "The Invisibles" and compare it to the first "Matrix" film. The similarities are almost sickening.

But that being said, I'd sell my left ass cheek to see "Reloaded" NOW.

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[HBox]

If anybody wants to see the Revolutions trailer early, its at movielist.com. I saw it, and it doesn't seem to give any big spoilers, but then again, maybe I was too dense to pick up on one.


I will say this. It features one of the freakiest evil laughs (by Agent Smith) that you will EVER see.

[fiestygal]

ok ..MY bf dragged me to X-MEN when it came and i was surprised THAT I LIKED IT ALOT..but NOT this matrix stuff- HE WANTS ME TO GO...i tried to sit and watch the first one when it came out on video/dvd...I HAVE NO ATTENSION SPAN! i cant take this movie and the graphics and the flying adn jumping and stuff...i get all loopy

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[Death Metal Moe]

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[HBox]

Just got back from the Matrix Reloaded. Gotta say it was a bit of a disappointment. The fighting and action scenes blew me away, but a lot of the rest sucked. I actually was hoping that Zion was destroyed. Every scene that took place the SUCKED. That dance-orgy-sex scene was one of the most awkward things I have ever seen. Here are some more things that sucked:

Mr. Miyagi-Keymaster. He was more funny than anything.
Keanu Reeves ass shots. No more. I PLEAD, no more.
Cliffhanger ending. That wasn't even a good cliffhanger. It was more of a "I guess we ran out of time so let's end it here" ending.
Revolutions trailer. the one on the Internet was better.

I like to think of myself as a smart man who can keep up with fast talking jargon. But someone please tell me what happened with Neo and the old guy in that room. About halfway through that scene I turned into drooling invalid staring at the pretty colors. But according to the door he walked into, shouldn't have something else happened? I am confused.

And I think the Wachowski's just threw out all the rules of the Matrix. I mean, what is with all these frickin programs and why the hell aren't they all on the same page! The ending explained it somewhat, but I am still VERY VERY confused. I know there are loose ends, but I don't understand the stuff I'm supposed to understand. I'm never confused after seeing a film, but this film was way too convoluted.

But, the action scenes rocked, and they rocked hard. They alone are worth seeing. Especially the Neo vs. Agent Smiths battle. The trailer only scratched the surface of that battle.

If you are going to see it, I suggest going in half an hour late. You won't miss anything.

So, it was a bit of a disappointment, but its not bad as the action scenes save it. However, X2 was WAY better.

[TheMojoPin]

Sounds about right. Everyone seems to forget how downright hokey and corny the first one was with all it's New Age-style bunk that made sense one second but then completely contradicted itself the next. The first one worked because the action scenes were of a kind never before scene, the movie looked cool, and we could all be genuinely be suprised by the huge revelation that the "real" world wasn't real. But come on, who didn't feel ill by the time the whole, "I was told I would fall in love with the One" horse-hockey rolled around? You had Joey Pants providing some depth by being the one person who questioned which reality was better, and Agent Smith's classic "humanity is just a virus" speech, but the rest was just vague, non-important one liners spoken by half-characters in cool sunglasses and nice leather chaps.

Give me my bitchin' action money shots, and you can keep the rest. Because the rest is boring and poorly written.

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[TheMojoPin]

Every scene that took place the SUCKED. That dance-orgy-sex scene was one of the most awkward things I have ever seen.

Yeah, what the fuck was up with THIS? I saw a clip and it basically looked like Ringo Starr's "Caveman" with more tits and Ecstasy. I guess when you're that boring and non-emotional everywhere else, these people REALLY go nuts when they go nuts...

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[HBox]

Now that I'm rereading what I wrote, I realize I may have been too negative. I really enjoyed myself watching this film, and I still am very interested in what's going to happen in the next film even though I'm still not sure what happened at the end. I'm sure when I find out, I'll be even more excited. But I liked the French guy (GASP!) and his orgasm cake. That old guy in the room with Neo was quite creepy.

And I just read Fat Fuck Face's review at AICN. I thought I had already read the most thoroughly wet, stinky, shitty disgusting written diarrhea already, but that review is now the Wiener. He was disappointed because A. there were no werewolves or zombies in the film. B. He wishes it was more like Nightmare on Elm Street 3 C. He thinks the two Star Wars prequels were better. D. He thinks the film was too similar to Last Action hero. E. Apparently he thought some of tyhe best fight scene were unneccesary.

But, of course, he got key plot points WRONG for some odd reason. And then I thought, hmm, I haven't seen any Matrix Reloaded ads on this site and then I realized why this review was posted. He's retarded, and he didn't get any money.

[Death Metal Moe]

Just another movie I won't go see.

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[TheGameHHH]

I got back from seeing this about an hour ago, and while the plot wasn't the greatest thing ever, the action and fight scenes were fantastic. I think it's worth it to check it out based on that alone.

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[Death Metal Moe]

Please. Between the $10 Ticket, the popcorn and the soda I drop like a 20 easy everytime I want to see a movie.

So unless I see a mess of posts saying that said movie changed their fucking life forever, I will wait.

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[HBox]

So unless I see a mess of posts saying that said movie changed their fucking life forever, I will wait.


It did change my life forever. I can now say "I saw the Matrix Reloaded." I couldn't say that before.

HA! Now you have to see it!

[TheGameHHH]

it cost me 9 dollars to see it tonight and i was entertained for 2 hours, it didn't seem like that much of a financial strain

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[Death Metal Moe]

Well, when you spend 9 dollars and you see a movie that SUCKS, you start to get sceptical and wait for things to come out on Video. I usually miss them then too.

Most of the time, the movies sucks. I have yet to see movies, since the Lord of the Rings movies, that interest me in the least. I LOVED X-Men comics but didn't really feel the need to go see this new movie.

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[grlNIN]

My brother just came home and won't shut the fuck up about this movie. I saw the first one and liked it alot now i have to pay $10 to see this one just so he doesnt shit his khakis.

With that being said i would fuck Neo til he came in code.

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[ChickenHawk]

Just got back. Here's the rundown:

Plotwise: Pretty bad. First one was better.
Visually: Absolutely fucking AMAZING. This movie raises the fucking BAR on special effects.
Action: Most amazing fight/action scenes out there. Blown away.

Final Word: TAKE OUT THE 15 MINUTE CAVEMAN/SEX SCENE and it's a top notch installment to the trilogy. Worth the 10 bucks. SEE IT.

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[AngelAmy]

the fight/chase scenes were well worth it....they fucking blew me away. i literally had my mouth open in amazement the whole time (no it wasnt cause a cock was in it).

im going to see it again today

ps-i liked the sex scene i thought it was hot

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[FelixDasGato]

Saw it , didn't like it, had some cool effects but basically a rehash of the first one, bad acting, nothing really new here.
If I hadn't gotten the free tix I would have waited for a rental


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[gone]

i saw it last night and fortunatly i didnt pay for it..
the only thing i enjoyed was the sex scenes and the cake scene, I WANT THAT FUCKING CAKE GODAMNIT

other than that the visuals were ok.. the trinity dying scene... fuck that it was a metaphor for fisting her as far as im concerned

the plot got far more star trek or star wars for me..

and aside from that i remember an amazing trinity ass in latex and my ass fell asleep about 20 mins in..

saw the trailor for the 3rd movie.. but trailors even made dude wheres my car look good..

i guess at least i can say i saw it

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[AngelAmy]

how could i forget about the cake scene, that was the fuckin funniest thing ever.

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[Aggie]

But that being said, I'd sell my left ass cheek to see "Reloaded" NOW


How much you want for it sweet cakes?

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[Jennitalia]

i have no desire to see this movie, but a certain somebody is making me.

ps-i liked the sex scene i thought it was hot


at least that's one thing for me to look forward to in this stupid movie

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[TheMojoPin]

How much you want for it sweet cakes?

TWO-FITTY!!! "Now how much fo' just ONE riiiiib?!?"

Alright, saw it, not bad. Face it, this series shot it's "suprise" wad in the first film, and they'll never go back to it. As an action film, it kicks serious ass and leaves the rest in the dust. The first part was a bit long, but it wasn't awkward and painful like anything "Star Wars" has done recently. I was actually impressed with the climax, though it really just made this series now, more than ever, just a blatant rip-off of "The Invisibles". Ah well, I'll see the next one, but I'm done with this one.

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[WintersEmbers]

I liked it alot, i liked the fact that once again, it seems that what we knew or thought we knew was a lie, and i thought that action was off the wall, ill go see the third, BUT if you really wanna go see what action can be like without all the wires go see EQUILIBRIUM at your video store......insanity.

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[Def Dave in SC]

But someone please tell me what happened with Neo and the old guy in that room


He was explaining that neo, or "the one" is a mathematical anomaly. This means that Everything is in the matrix (yes, even Zion. This is why neo was able to stop the robots at the end).

It is necessary for the one to make it to the main frame, to assimilate back into the matrix and restart. When this is brought to light, the one has a choice to either restart the matrix or to have zion and the rest of the human race wiped out.

In this case Neo, the 6th "one", is the only one to have figured most of this out. He chooses to save trinity rather than save the human race.


In anticipation of the next question, Zion was set up to be a place for people who became aware of the matrix. This way they would still really be in the matrix, but they would think that they werent. Therefore, the machines could still use the humans as batteries, while not actually risking the matrix to destruction from rogue humans.

The matrix always goes through the same "story", so nothing new ever really happens. That is why everyone says they have a purpose.

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[vegeta]

I don't have any idea of what you just fucking explained, but it sounds interesting enough for me to see the Matrix: Reloaded.

I will see this in the theatres only because there are just some movies that I cannot wait to see on DVD.

I'm really sad about the 2 1/2 stars this mew matrix is getting, but hey, the first one didn't get shining reviews either.

I still haven't seen X2 yet, either, so I'll be shooting a big cash wad on these two movies sometime this month. (To be safe, i'm waking my ass up for matinee.)

My good money will be going on The Hulk. Hulk looks like it's going to kick ass!

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[HBox]

My good money will be going on The Hulk. Hulk looks like it's going to kick ass!


You haven't seen the Hulk Dogs, have you? I have really bad feelings about The Hulk.

[vegeta]

I have seen them. I've also seen the full trailer. You think that a movie will stink just because of one little thing?

Hey, let's not get into a whole hulk thing. I think that The Hulk will be much more appealing to me when I see it then The Matrix

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[DC Reed]

The Archetect of the Matrix looked like Col. Sanders

I thought he'd say, go through that door and save trinity, but the human race dies or go through that door for some good ol fashioned, KFC, with Crispy wings, only 9.99! Comes with a Biscuit!

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[FMJeff]

Ok so everyone in Zion is still in the Matrix? That's retarded. How will anything ever get accomplished?


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[vegeta]

And if Zion is still inside the matrix, why does agent smith want to get out of the matrix in the first movie? Doesn't he know that Zion is a lie as well?

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[Def Dave in SC]

How will anything ever get accomplished?


Thats what Revolutions is for!!



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[ADF]

I don't think that Zion is in the Matrix. The Architect gave Neo the choice to pick 23 humans with which to restart Zion and the rest would die. If not, all the humans would die, including the ones still serving as batteries. Neo's ability to stop the sentinels was unusual because he did so outside the Matrix.

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Neo's ability to stop the sentinels was unusual because he did so outside the Matrix.


I thought the same when i saw it last night. but then i though about it and it could have been a coincidence. maybe on of the Squiddies shorted out and emmitted a EMP blast because of its malfunction. it would explain why neo fell like that, because a) it was in really close range, and b) the battery human wre intergrated with mechanics and the close range blast could have shorted out one of his plugs.

On a side note: plugs don't look sexy at all

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[HBox]

As an aside, when I saw the Matrix tonight the most evil thing happened before the film. You've all seen that Powerade ad with that Matrix Agent that has been running in front of films for the last month. Well when I saw it tonight, the film fucked up and it started running in extreme slo-mo. I swear, when you slow down that guys voice , it is the voice of SATAN!!!!!!!!

[FMJeff]

that whole ending really fucked me up...i couldn't really wrap my head around the whole thing...a lot of weird logic that doesn't hold water when really analyzed. this movie was really discomforting because i usually have no problem understanding concepts as they are delinated to me.

1) How is it possible that all the Ones looked exactely the same? If the previous Neos chose to rebuild Zion and Zion is a real place, then the amount of time it takes to rebuild Zion after repopulating it would be thousands of years. How did Neo look the same in previous versions? Neo couldn't possibly look the same. There is no explanation in genetics that would explain how his progeny looked exactly like he did now.

If Zion wasn't real and if this was, indeed, all happening inside of the Matrix, then why can't Neo do his freaky shit in Zion? In this case, why did all the Neo's from previous versions look the same? If the Matrix time is real time, then in order for the Neos to look the same, the six times would have to take place within a 5-10 year period where age didnt affect Neo's appearance.

2) What the fuck happened to Neo's ability to tear someone's code apart by jumping through them? He could have easily killed the Architect. Why not? Here was the one program who controlled the Matrix. He could've ended the war right fucking there.

3) Explain to me why Neo still continues to fight with his hands and legs. He is the one. The fist punching him doesn't exist. Why does he even block. Why does he bleed when cut? Bullshit.

4) Why did I have to sit through a ten minute rave scene? Could they at least free the mind of a better fucking DJ? Paul Oakenfold maybe?

5) Did Niobe die at the end? I didn't catch that.

6) Does anybody have Flight of the Osiris on MPEG?

7) Explain to me how Agent Smith can reproduce 300 times and not alert other agents to his presence. He's now a rogue program, is he not?

I have more questions but my head hurts.


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[JerryTaker]

Ah, the perfect marketing ploy.... The movie you have to see 10 times to fucking understand what the hell is going on....

ok, as far as all the "Neos" looking the same, I thought that at first too, but the screens in the backround weren't Neo's previous choices, it was his <I>available</I> choices; or what the matrix predicted he would do....

I don't think Zion is still part of the matrix, but that Zion is still part of the "system reboot," if you will... The reason Neo could stop the machines, I think, was because his mind was <I>linked</I> to the mainframe, and he could do a little mental "ctrl-break" on the sentinals, but it put him in a coma, because he used some part of his mind he never did before and it overwhelmed him.

Now according to the Architect, all the rouge programs: Smith, Oracle, and the Keymaster were supposed to happen in order to tell Neo his destiny, which, as we found out in the first one, isn't nessecerily the truth, just what Neo needs to hear....

<I>Hopefully</I> all this speculation will be answered in the third movie...

But the hell with all that, there was an awesome car chase!!!



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Are we seriously discussing The Matrix's plot here?

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[stickyfingers]

okay, my 'understanding' of this whole matrix phenomenon is quite limited but my question is that if other 'ones' in the past have chosen to rebuild Zion with 23 people don't you think that word of this would've leaked out at some point. Say he had chosen to go that route...Would they(the 23 people) be aware of what had happened to them and be able to pass that knowledge along to thier offspring?




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[FMJeff]

i have a feeling that whole architect speech was a lie to keep neo from pursuing the destruction of the matrix...who knows...a lot of it didnt hold water in my opinoin...but neo was too busy thining about pussy to see through it...

think of how much can actually get done in this world if pussy didn't exist...

fuck you women...you keep us from our true productivity!

...and i wouldnt have it any other way...

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[vegeta]

Yeah, maybe it was some woman who got the Warchowski brothers into thinking that boring Star Wars-like dialouge and an hour more of running time was a good idea.

(Look at me, badmouthing the movie and I still haven't seen it yet . I'm so disappointed in this damn movie! )

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i dont know if this was explained here yet but from what i can understand it.. the reason neo could stop the sentinals was because he killed agent smith.. part of the "agent program" is in him and since he is part program he can do things outside of the matrix he couldnt do before

or something like that

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[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, maybe it was some woman who got the Warchowski brothers into thinking that boring Star Wars-like dialouge

And that's different from the first one HOW...?

People seem to always forget that outside of the action and the huge plot twist, the first one was just as vague and retarded. Odd.

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[JerryTaker]

Why do I get the feeling that some people should just stick to watching Steven Segal and Vin Deisel movies?

"all talking between big booms make head hurt!!!"



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[TheMojoPin]

Why do I get the feeling that some people should just stick to watching Steven Segal and Vin Deisel movies?

"all talking between big booms make head hurt!!!"

Because this wasn't really all that "smart" outside of the so-called "big words" the architect used towards the end. It was just "fuzzy" and vague and hole-filled. And it's such a hard, swollen rip-off of "The Invisibles" it's not even cute anymore.

This simply is, a great action film that gets a little chatty at times. People expecting or wanting more are really, REALLY looking in the wrong place.

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[JerryTaker]

This simply is, a great action film that gets a little chatty at times. People expecting or wanting more are really, REALLY looking in the wrong place.


I agree with you, but I just think that, considering that in the next movie theatre you have "daddy day care," and seeing trailers like "legally blonde 2: red, white, and blonde," I think people are riding this movie a little too hard... It's a good movie, people! It's not perfect, but what is? "American Wedding?" "Charlie's Angels 2?" "Terminator 3?" either of those Micheal Douglas movies?

...and people think <I>I'm</I> a malcontent...

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[TheMojoPin]

It's a good movie, people! It's not perfect, but what is?

EXACTLY. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it, but I'm just baffled/amused/frustarted by all the people that verge off into either "man, that was the WORST" or "wow, that was BRILLIANT". It was a good film. Nice. Of course, I say the exact same thing about the LOTR films, too...

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[vegeta]

OK, Mojo. There's always one person who slips in the vauge refrence that only two people on the planet know. What is "The Invisibles?" and why would we know that The Matrix rips it off?

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Trivia question: what color was the pill that the guy took in Matrix 1?

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Answer: I think it was the red one but I forget because I fell down at that part.

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[HBox]

As an aside, after seeing the Terminator 3 trailer am I the only one who think Ahnold is going to get his long awaited Oscar nod? I mean, that's TOP NOTCH acting, if you ask me.

[ToddEVF]

Trivia question: what color was the pill that the guy took in Matrix 1?

It was the read pill

You take the blue pill, the story ends and you wake up believing whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in wonderland and i show you just how deep the rabbit hole goes.


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It was the read pill


I chose the other one




































Now I'm illiterate.

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[TheMojoPin]

OK, Mojo. There's always one person who slips in the vauge refrence that only two people on the planet know. What is "The Invisibles?" and why would we know that The Matrix rips it off?

It was a finite comic books series that was around in the mid to late 90's, written by Grant Morrison and put out on DC Comics' "mature readers" Vertigo imprint. It's literally the most trippy, insane thing I've ever read, and its loosest possible description would be, "interdimensional monsters seek to re-control the Earth, and control us all by distorting, manipulating and changing our very sense of reality and what we think is 'real.', and have a force of willing and unwilling human 'agents' that enforce their will and prepare the planet for their return, whether by choice or being posessed by the monsters themselves. Only a small group of unspeakably cool people know this and have a loose-knit 'army' of fighters around the world trying to stop these beasties from re-taking the Earth as their feeding ground/slave source. This 'army' is called 'The Invisibles', and one of their numbers just might possibly be the new 'messiah/buddha' who can destroy the creatures."

It's one of the greatest things I've ever read, comic or otherwise, and anyone into "The Matrix" at all will probably enjoy the fuck out of it.

Given the Wachowkapowkablamkungfuwangchungowski Brothers admitted obsession with comics and their work with numerous comic book creators, including artists who worked on "The Invisibles", it's not too farfetched that more than a bit of "parallel writing" happened...

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[Def Dave in SC]

That sounds like an awesome comic series. I am going to have to pawn something to nuy it. How much do kidneys go for?

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[Def Dave in SC]

a EMP blast because of its malfunction. it would explain why neo fell like that, because...the battery human wre intergrated with mechanics and the close range blast could have shorted out one of his plugs.


if thats the case, then the other members of his posse would have felt the effects of the EMP. Especially Trinity, she was right close to Neo during that scene.

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[vegeta]

Well, Mojo, I never read the invisibles and I'm betting that it's just coincidence that the two stories are alike. I think that different people can come up with similar ideas that resemble one another without them ever hearing of each other.

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[phixion]

first of all im glad i didnt pay to see thsi movie. (thank god for bootlegs) but im not saying the movie was bad, but im not saying it was good. the fights scenes were pretty, thats is the only good thing i can say about that movie. but thats why i saw the movie. its similar to fridah the 13th series. its good for what it is.

if your looking for good acting, amazing dialogue, or plot development look elsewhere. x2 i recommend. the dialogue at certain points got stupid. the bad actors (except fishburne) cannot act smart, and accompanying the two just made me abandon the plot at certain points. also for the dudes who made this movie, look at X2 for a cliffhanger ending, where you feel like u saw the end of a movie, not just a guy yelling cut.

is this movie worth $10? it depends what your looking for. but i do recommend renting it....its not bad enough that it deserves none of your money.

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[badorties]

probably one of the smartest reviews of a movie i've ever read ......

fyi -- it's completely riddled with spoilers

http://www.corporatemofo.com/stories/051803matrix.htm

[JerryTaker]

Thanks for the link, badorties. That was an excellent read, and it's not farfetched that the Brothers W, as well as the writers of "The Invisibles" adopted those philosophies. I can also admire the ability to see the Bible as <I>literature</I> and philosophy, as opposed to some Instruction or code to life.

Makes me want to spend some time in the Libary this summer... eh, who has the time?

Merovingian, who is a daemon-in both senses of the word-left over from a previous version of the Matrix

The fact that The One comes from the machine world is a brilliant way to write around the fact that Keanu Reeves can't act.


I loved those quotes

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[Hoojibs]

That was my one question about the movie. If Zion has been destroyed 5 different times. Wouldn't there been some evidence of previous Zions? It's in the real world and there should be something left over?

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[Def Dave in SC]

Wow, that guide really makes me feel vindicated. I know that my theories did not go nearly as deep as their's, but it feels good to know that someone who obviously has a deep knowledge of the subject has put a lot of evidence backing up his theories.




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[TheMojoPin]

Wow, that was a GREAT article, bad. If it's accurate, I'm much, MUCH more impressed with both "The Matrix" AND "The Invisibles" now...I definitely need to re-watch/re-read both...

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[Def Dave in SC]

If that is all true, the wachowsi brothers are the smartest people alive.

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[Tall_James]

BEHOLD! The following is the transcript of the conversation between Neo and The Architect. Draw your own conclusions.

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[Fallon]

I saw it tonight and thought it was pretty good. Slow start and that techo/sex part was entirely too long. But the action scenes were great (with exception to the obvious CGI that made Neo's face look shitty).

I knew this had a Back to the Future II "to be concluded" ending, but by the large grown in the audience maybe I was one of the few there.

I really enjoyed that article that was posted earlier. Oh, here's something else:
'Matrix' Actor Marcus Chong Sues Over Tank Role
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hat was my one question about the movie. If Zion has been destroyed 5 different times. Wouldn't there been some evidence of previous Zions? It's in the real world and there should be something left over?


Are we 100% sure of the world existing before what we know it to be? I think the whole idea in that was suppose to be that, like Neo, Zion is an everlasting. It is somethign that will always be around. Kind of how, if you applied it mathematically, not religiosly, the architect described Neo as Pi, an infinite, an everlasting, he will go on forever, even if HE doesnt. Just as Zion will.

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Just saw it and all i have to say is...Fucking Incredible.

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[vegeta]

Hey, you stole my line, C.O.S!

The good FAAAAAAAARRRRRR outweighs the bad, and the bad is mostly the speeches littered by multisyllabic words.

Also, I didn't get why the Zion dancing scene wasn't more diverse. I mean, I have seen white people who can dance. It's not a myth- so why not put them in the crowd. Maybe I need to see it on DVD, but I thought that we'd have a good mix of all natonalities in the dance.

For the good, nothing can beat Neo vs. agent smith. Badass vs badass. The school playground fight was the best fight of the movie and everything else paled in comparison.

As for what Coonel Sanders spoted, I think that it's a lie created by the matrix by Persephone kissing Neo.

Programs do what they're programmed to do, isn't that right?

The keymaker was to open the door, the architect was to tell The One that zion is bullshit and Persephone has a programed task as well.

Ok, I could go on forever. Now what I'm really thinking about is who will die and what will happen when the matrix series comes to an end.

Is it the "it's all a dream" bullshit or is it "it's all a nightmare and you're still plugged in" bullshit?

Hey kids, leave your wife for a dominatrix and you can mesmerize millions of people with your movies, too! :)

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Also, I didn't get why the Zion dancing scene wasn't more diverse. I mean, I have seen white people who can dance. It's not a myth- so why not put them in the crowd. Maybe I need to see it on DVD, but I thought that we'd have a good mix of all natonalities in the dance.

The running theory is that more minorites would be open to accepting the idea of a "Matrix" than the white guy driving his big SUV home to his 4-car garage and "normal" family. Those that are more likely to be subjected to "shitty" lives are probably more apt to accept the idea that this wouldn't be the "real" world...

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[vegeta]

And who is- exactly- running that theory besides you, Mojo?

Who says that black people are the minorities in the future of the matrix or that they are living shitty lives before they are pulled out?

Where did this assumption come from?

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[Def Dave in SC]

Also, I didn't get why the Zion dancing scene wasn't more diverse. I mean, I have seen white people who can dance


And who is- exactly- running that theory besides you, Mojo?


Well, I for one share Mojo's view on this. It was pretty clear to me as I was watching the movie.

It only makes sense that lower-class people who have nothing are willing to take up the cause of the revolution. Every revolution in history has been started by people with nothing to lose.

It only makes sense that someone who lives in the ghetto, who has absolutely nothing, will be willing to bring down the system that put and kept them there. In this case that system is the matrix.

If I'm making hundreds of thousands of dollars, I'm not going to want to destroy the matrix.

Therefore, Zion should be composed aminly of minorities and the like.

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[phixion]

It only makes sense that lower-class people who have nothing are willing to take up the cause of the revolution. Every revolution in history has been started by people with nothing to lose.



uh huh. look at india when islam was introduced into teh society. the ppl who were on the higher rungs of the caste system stuck with hinduism, where as the ppl at teh bottom of the caste system welcomed islam with open arms.

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[Contra]

i loved the movie

all the philosophy is awsome and well put together. if you can check out a book called "Philosophy in The Matrix". it explains all the philosophical ideas in the movie. the Dead Sea Scroll tie in is the most obvious to me, very Neon Genesis Evangelion in idea.

ok, the CG... so beauiful at some points, but SO horrible at other points. the brothers made the same mistake that was made in Blade 2, which was less wire work and more CG. when the wire work is done right, like in the first movie, its amazing.

also for the dudes who made this movie, look at X2 for a cliffhanger ending, where you feel like u saw the end of a movie, not just a guy yelling cut.


you have to realize that reloaded and revolutions are not two different movies, but the SAME one. the reason there isnt one big cliffhanger is because thats was not the way it was written. it was written as one movie, and just cut in the middle, since a 5 hour movie was out of the question. if you didnt know this i could see how the ending could be a let down.

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[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, I don't see the sloppy cliffhanger as being that much of a big deal. The next movie is out in, what, 4, 5 months?

And Vegeta, I think the theory I was talking about was written upon in one of the links on this page of the thread...I'm just parroting what I heard...and it makes sense, to me at least...

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[vegeta]

Hey, i'm not flaming or anything like that. Just playing devil's advocate.

And when did money ever guarantee hapiness or exclude a person from wondering "is there another approach to life?"

I'm saying that you don't have to be starving minority to imagine that the world you live in wasn't real.

I think there was some other reason the warchowski brothers cast so many more black people in the zion scene.

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[phixion]

Yeah, I don't see the sloppy cliffhanger as being that much of a big deal. The next movie is out in, what, 4, 5 months?


see tehir original plan was for the 2 movies to b released 2 weex apart, and if they did that i have no problem.

but it didnt feel like it ended. not even close. theres no sense of closure, and that 5 months is a long time when ur like me sitting here going "what the fuck?"

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[TheMojoPin]

I think there was some other reason the warchowski brothers cast so many more black people in the zion scene.

Such as...?

It still looked pretty mixed to me...like 40% black, 20-30% white, and then 30-40% "other".

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[vegeta]

See, that's what sucks about being in a theatre: no dvd rewind!

While we're stil on the xion dance scene, why are there only like 10 people listed as dancers when there were a lot more people i the scene?

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Only people with nipple shots get listed. PRESS THE FLESH.

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[Def Dave in SC]

And when did money ever guarantee hapiness or exclude a person from wondering "is there another approach to life?"

I'm saying that you don't have to be starving minority to imagine that the world you live in wasn't real.


Well, look at EVERY revolution in history. It is ALWAYS the lower class revolting against those who live a life of privelage.


If you live a really fucked up life, you will not mind leaving that life behind in the hopes that you can make the world better.

If you make millions, you may not be "happy", but you will be less likely to give up everything you have. The matrix is great for everybody who is doing good in life (lots of $, big house POA wife). These people dont want to get rid of the matrix, because to tehm there is nothing wrong with the matrix.

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[Contra]

see tehir original plan was for the 2 movies to b released 2 weex apart, and if they did that i have no problem.

but it didnt feel like it ended. not even close. theres no sense of closure, and that 5 months is a long time when ur like me sitting here going "what the fuck?"


well that would be royally stupid to do, cause then the two movies would be competing for seats. thats just bad business, and the reason they're not going to release it in july either, cause the think the movie may STILL be in theaters making money.


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[phixion]

well that would be royally stupid to do, cause then the two movies would be competing for seats.


lucas released each episode of the star wars trilogy: special edition, 2 weex apart, and each one did real well in theatres. just food for thought.

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[Supervixen]

I honestly thought the crowd at Zion was mixed, but everyone, including darker AND lighter skinned people, were just more tanned because they are workign class, and are working out in the sun more. This was to show that Neo and Trinity are so light because they do not work in the sun all day, theyre higher status than the regular citizens.

Im so glad they didnt release both movies at the same time too. Imagien what a rush it would have been. There are even rumors theyre going to wait longer than expected, and let reloaded run a lil longer in theaters.

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[JerryTaker]

I honestly thought the crowd at Zion was mixed, but everyone, including darker AND lighter skinned people, were just more tanned because they are workign class, and are working out in the sun more. This was to show that Neo and Trinity are so light because they do not work in the sun all day, theyre higher status than the regular citizens.


Um.. There is no sun. (or spoon) The people in Zion live underground, and even if they <I>were</I> outside, the sky had been scorched to keep the sunlight out, that was the point of the machines taking over and using humans as batteries...



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[Contra]

lucas released each episode of the star wars trilogy: special edition, 2 weex apart, and each one did real well in theatres. just food for thought.


i dont think you get what i mean, them doing good IS the problem. if both do well then both are losing seats to eachother. that is more money the studio can make if there is just one out at a time.

this is also the reason that studios and distributors hold movies that are already made when there is still a movie by the same company in theaters, so they dont lose seats to one another and that generates more money for the companies.

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[vegeta]

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[vegeta]

Yeah, supervixen. maybe you missed the part where the humans destroyed the sky, blocking off the sun AND the fact that Zion is deep underground.

I don't know about the whole Zion thing. Myabe I also have to take into account that the people who were listening to morpheus' speech are believers, so they might not represent all of zion. There are one million people in total, after all. they all couldn't have been there.

I mean, I can think of it one way or nother, but I didn't make the movie, so I can speculate to death

The Warchowskis should say a little more to the fans after these movies are done. I want to know what goes on their twisted minds!

I'm dying to see the final matrix movie. I hope they're not going to pull an "End of Evangelion" thing on us.


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I thought there were only around 250,000 people in Zion...y'know, like when they observed a quarter million sentinels digging towards Zion, and someone said, "enough for every man, woman and child..."

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[vegeta]

No, through all that mind spining dailouge, I do remember them saying 1 million.

Still, if it was 250,000, that still means that only a few of zion's citizens were present at Morpheus' speech.


Now, I have a question about the architect:

am I the only one that thought he was talking about persephone when he said "there's one woman sent out to find anomalies" and when Neo says "the oracle" the arcitect says "please!"

I think that the architect is a bullshit program mean to keep the one away and persephone's kiss had a darker purpose.

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I think Persephone's kiss meant something (It better, because otherwise that scene was just retarded), but according to reports, she's only back for one little scene next film, so we'll see...

And I'm pretty sure about there only being aorund 250,000 people...I may not remember all the dialogue, but that "ever man, woman and child line" sticks clear as a bell...so somebody help us out!

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[Anakin Skywalker]

After seeing this great movie several times in theatres as well as watching a very clear and good sounding bootleg, I locked myself away and thought about what I saw. This is what I came up with:

1- Neo is an anomoly of the matrix, ergo he was able to stop the squiddies b/c he is in another matrix. The "Real World" would be where the architect is from.

2- Since the architect said this was the 6th time he spoke to Neo, that concludes that there aren 6 alternate "realities" or matrices. This is where quantum physics & possibly the 6 degrees of separation theory comes into play. The reason the architect knew that this would be the last time he spoke to Neo was b/c he knew that he would save everybody.

3- Everytime the architect created a "new matrix" the anomoly was always present in the program but as he improved the matix, so was the anomoly was improved. That's why is responses were different from the "predacessors".

4- 23 people to repopulate zion = 23 chromasomes in 1 person.


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[vegeta]

Did you ever consider that the Architect isn't even telling the truth. And the archictect didn't meet Neo 6 times. He met different Chosen Ones 6 times.

I think the architect is full of crap

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[phixion]

Did you ever consider that the Architect isn't even telling the truth. And the archictect didn't meet Neo 6 times. He met different Chosen Ones 6 times.



see ive always found when bad guys tell the truth that its scarier. so ill choose to believe the architect till im wrong.

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[Fallon]

No, through all that mind spining dailouge, I do remember them saying 1 million. Still, if it was 250,000, that still means that only a few of zion's citizens were present at Morpheus' speech.
I was watching MTV Movie House yesterday and they show'd the building of the Zion set and said it's home to 250,000 people.

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[Anakin Skywalker]

Did you ever consider that the Architect isn't even telling the truth. And the archictect didn't meet Neo 6 times. He met different Chosen Ones 6 times.




It can't be 6 different chosen one's if it's suppose to be a program. You would be running the same type of program with some modifactions. Neo & the matrix is like Windows, Same program just modified at different times when the older program is deemed no good & the newer program is better.

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[vegeta]

Ok, so it's a quarter millon. Missed the word quarter. So it's safe to say that only about 1000 people were in the zion dance scene, right?

And what is the architect exaclty? It he the first ever program, an actual AI machine or both?

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[Supervixen]

Actually I meant the working in the sun thing as the directors showing us that more symbolicly with the skin tones rather than the actual people standing up, picking up their hoes, and going to harvest carrots.

Like when Neo and Trinity got off the elevator, and all the people came to him for help, everyone in that scene was dressed from a different time period, and different place, but they were all something that we could pick out and say 'That looks like they are from so-and-so time period.'


It can't be 6 different chosen one's if it's suppose to be a program. You would be running the same type of program with some modifactions. Neo & the matrix is like Windows, Same program just modified at different times when the older program is deemed no good & the newer program is better.


But as each chosen one fails his task (the task Neo is failing as the movie ends) theyre wiped clean, and redone. They failed what they were made to do, they dont need to make modifications, they need to start over.

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[vegeta]

Yeah, I understood your post, vixen, but after the fact.

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So it's safe to say that only about 1000 people were in the zion dance scene, right?
They used 2000 extras for the dance scene.

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[vegeta]

Hey, I read the Matrix site and the dance choreagrapher says in an interview that theyre are 900 people in total and about 110 professional dancers. Like I care who was proofessional! I saw some boobie :)

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[Anakin Skywalker]

But as each chosen one fails his task (the task Neo is failing as the movie ends) theyre wiped clean, and redone. They failed what they were made to do, they dont need to make modifications, they need to start over.




They weren't made to do nothing. It was a choice Neo made. Like the movie says, it's choice. Reguardless of what Neo chooses, he has to give up one for the other. I think they're making Neo too Christ-like in which probably, since he is "The One" he'll be able to have his cake and eat it too.

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[Hosp]

I zoned out during the dance/love scene, Neo/Oracle's conversation, and The archiect's speech. I wasn't as impressed with the movie as I had hoped to be. Most of the Animatrix stuff was much better. I think the brothers just got a little too impressed with themselves. I have this theory about Sequels that for them to be considered good they need to be able to stand on their own. This movie does not do that. For the story to make sense You had to have seen the first one and you'll need to see the third for the pay off from the second. The action was incredible, aside from some cg that was distracting in the middle of it,

The Matrix wasn't originaly made to have sequels, and now they need to back track to cover the points they made in the first.

And I get that Smith is now a virus, but what were the twins?

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[TheMojoPin]

Outside of "Terminator 2", "The Godfather 2". the Indiana Jones sequels and "Empire Strikes Back", how many sequels DO truly stand on their own? "Back To The Future", LOTR, "The Matrix"...all films where unless you see the first films OR the follow-up films, you're completely lost.

But then again, those later three series all had sequels that were made right on top of each other and released a year or less apart, or were conciously made as "parts of a greater whole" right from the very start...

I'm very much in the, "a movie should be its own movie, even if it's a sequel" camp, but considering those latter three series, I think we are moving into a different kind of distinction when it comes to "planned" sequels...

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[TheMojoPin]

And I get that Smith is now a virus, but what were the twins?

Rogue programs. I think.

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[Hosp]

Back to the Future 2 is dependant on the first, but if you were to walk into the theater you could have seen it and still have enjoyed it. Some of the gags of them doubling up at the enchantment under the sea dance wouldn't have the same impact, but you wouldn't need 2 weeks of discussion after the fact to try to understand it.

And even though I haven't seen LOTR, that is based on a series of books and it was known going in that it would be a series. Same with Harry Potter.

And I have problems with the cold ending, mostly of which is that You need to see Revolution to get a pay off for anything in Reloaded. And to just assume that people will automaticly show up for part 3 is very vain of them. (Deja vu, must be a glitch in the system)

So far I'm feeling a little let down with this summer's movies.

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[TheMojoPin]

Some of the gags of them doubling up at the enchantment under the sea dance wouldn't have the same impact, but you wouldn't need 2 weeks of discussion after the fact to try to understand it.

But the discussion here isn't trying to somehow "explain" the first and second "Matrix" films so they fit together...the discussions are mostly focused on what was revealed in the second film itself and what those specific revelations mean in and of themselves. If I only saw "Reloaded" I would still have the same questions, and they ultimately have little to nothing to do with the first.

And like you said, LOTR was planned to be a trilogy from the start, but in the form of one giant film sliced into three parts where best convenient. These last two "Matrix" films are planned the same way, except it's two films instead of three, and apparently the filmmakers had a tad more difficulty in breaking up their five hour-long film.

Fuck, why am I defending this thing so much? I thought it was alright. Goddamn "Matrix".

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[Def Dave in SC]

I zoned out during...Neo/Oracle's conversation, and The archiect's speech. I wasn't as impressed with the movie as I had hoped to be


That is why. Those two scenes are pivotal, most of the plot in the movie is in those two scenes.

This is why the movie has gotten such mediocre reviews. I zoned out a little, but i was able to follow it and i think that the movie was great.

Once you understand what happened, the movie will seem a lot better.

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[JerryTaker]

And like you said, LOTR was planned to be a trilogy from the start, but in the form of one giant film sliced into three parts where best convenient. These last two "Matrix" films are planned the same way, except it's two films instead of three, and apparently the filmmakers had a tad more difficulty in breaking up their five hour-long film.


It's Just <I>so</I> different, you can easily tell who thought more about transition, here...

LOTR, you have most of the action from the body of the movie wrapped up at the end, with a few allusions about what is to come, and at the end the characters look to what is ahead of them, we get a fade out, thanks for watching our movie...

Matrix, you have a whole slew of stuff introduced at a lightning pace, the surface is resolved, but a slew of other stuff now unresolved, we have a big clffhanger ending; jumpcut to "to be continued" It's too "Buffy-esqe": The characters fight the villian, they start to go home, then some long dead character suddenly appears, says something ominous.. "to be continued...." I dunno, I just don't think it's how a movie should end...

The Two Towers, by the way, if you haven't read the book, goes for the big cliffhanger at the end of the book, but PJ thought it would be too... "TV serial" to use that ending in the movie... I think the Warchawskis should have used the same discretion...

Again though, that's my only real complaint about the movie...

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Haven't read "Two Towers" or seen the movie yet...do I have to?

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[JerryTaker]

Haven't read "Two Towers" or seen the movie yet...do I have to?


All you <I>have</I> to do is die and pay taxes, unless you're rich...

But you are missing out...

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I wasn't too fond of the first one. It wasn't BAD, it was just sorta...there...

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[Meatball]

saw it yesterday and i liked it.
You are all reading too much into your guesswork: the idea is we are NOT supposed to "get it" until the 3rd movie.

1) we dont know who the architect really is
2) we dont know how the oracles role fits in entirely
3) we know there is a "mother" program equally as important as the "father" ( architects) program yet to be revealed.
4) there are many mysteries surrounding zion and the matrix -

the 3rd one better answer them all..and WELL!

but that Pipe fight scene was the best freakin fight scene ive ever seen in my life.

i wonder which martial artists collaborated on the film to write such elaborate fights scenes.

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[vegeta]

People, it's not a crime to rent things on DVD. Trailers nowadays are about 4 minutes long and they basically give oyu the whole plot. So if you're halfway into a movie and you're checking your watch, there is no problem in walking out and asking for a refund.

Now as for the "what are the twins" question, they are rouge programs who work for the french guy (I forget his name) All the french guy's lackeys are rouge programs as well, as is Agent Smith.

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[Hosp]

I thought Smith was more of the virus at this point?


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[vegeta]

Well, he's both a rouge program and a virus, like when you get a .doc file in your e-mail and it turns out to be a program eating away at your files.

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[guttersnipe]

FINALLY saw it today. Thanks muchly to badorties and
Tall_James for providing links to things that helped me
digest some of what I saw.

I loved it, tho not quite as much as the first, because
the story was what pulled me into the first one.
And while the fight and chase scenes are indeed
impressive, I wasnt more story, more character
development, etc.

I have many questions still that I hope will be
answered by the rest of the Animatrix stuff when it
comes out in June, and by Revolutions in November.
And I guess I am going to have to go out and get the
game for still more answers (thank ghu I got my son a
GameCube for his birthday).

One thing that I have not seen brought up anywhere
and a question that has been nagging at me. The
scene where the somewhat malevolent looking guy
cuts the palm of his hand twice, and then shakes Neo's
hand before he goes out to find the Keymaker. Who
was that guy? Why didn't Neo notice the blood? And
mostly why did the guy DO that?

Anyone have any ideas on this part?

~snipe


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[vegeta]

I definately think there was development with Neo's character. Basically at the end, all his virtual superman bullshit means nothing because the matrix is (supposedly) fooling somebody.

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Hey everyone! Matrix 2 comes out this Friday!

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[Wolf]

One thing that I have not seen brought up anywhere and a question that has been nagging at me. The scene where the somewhat malevolent looking guy cuts the palm of his hand twice, and then shakes Neo's
hand before he goes out to find the Keymaker. Who was that guy? Why didn't Neo notice the blood? And mostly why did the guy DO that?

Anyone have any ideas on this part?


That guy was a Smith clone who got pulled out into the real world through that guy's body. He cut his hand because he was finally experiencing something real - PAIN! I am sure it is a fascinating experience for a computer program. He also cut his left hand and shook Neo's with his right hand - no blood there.

I understood this movie and thoroughly enjoyed it, and all because I did not question what they presented to me, but just let their imaginations take me out of the theatre and into another world - away from all of life's little problems. That's what entertainment is for. Don't look for movies to answer all of life's questions for you - you will be sadly disappointed, just enjoy and escape for a while.

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[TheMojoPin]

The
scene where the somewhat malevolent looking guy
cuts the palm of his hand twice, and then shakes Neo's
hand before he goes out to find the Keymaker. Who
was that guy? Why didn't Neo notice the blood? And
mostly why did the guy DO that?

Anyone have any ideas on this part?

I'm honestly suprised by how many people have no clue who this guy is.

Remember early in the film when Agent Smith attacks and kills one of the Zion agents about to pick up the phone and go "home"? Smith absorbs the guy, and then HE picks up the phone, so thusly Smith's "mind" is transferred back into the body of the Zion citizen. That guy was the one who almost knifed Neo, and he was the "lone survivor" of the robot attack at the end and is that other guy on the medical table with Neo at the end of the film.

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[vegeta]

I really think that people will enjoy this movie on dvd even more, in a theatre you want to be instantly entertained and instantly "get it"

I enjoyed the matrix reloaded a whole lot, but some of what was being said didn't click until long after I saw the movie.

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[Wolf]

I also like movies that challenge me intellectually, but I heard so many negative comments about the Matrix before I saw it that I was not expecting to be entertained at all. I think going into a movie with little to no expectations also help deliver a better experience. And some of the conversations didn't fall into place with me until after I got home, too. That just helped me enjoy the movie even more. I look forward to seeing if they wrap everything up in the third. Hopefully all unanswered questions will be resolved.

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[guttersnipe]

I'm honestly suprised by how many people have
no clue who this guy is.

Thanks cuttericeman and MojoPin for the info. I feel
kinda stupid now. I guess there was just too much to
take in with one viewing. I'm going to try and see it
again in a week or two. Or maybe after I get the
Animatrix DVD.

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[vegeta]

Ok, breathe deep:

There is one hell of a supposed spoiler found in the Enter the Matrix video game. If you DO NOT WANT THE SECRTE SPOILED FOR YOU, DO NOT SWIPE TO READ.

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There. There's your ending. You happy!?

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[Hosp]

Okay, I got the Animatrix and was impressed with it.

Seeing Last flight of the Osiris was almost a prequel that I found pretty cool.

Second Rennaisance was great and the fact that the A.I. Homeland was Zero One gives me the impression that that will have something to do with Z1on.

Kid's Story may get them a lot of heat but was also a cool add on to that kid's story from the movie.


I might go see revolution again.


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[vegeta]

Hey, that's an okay observation! What if the whole angle to the matrix is that some machines are benevolent towards humans and they are protecting people and even freeing them?

I have to see the rest of the animatrix. If you haven't seen them yey, most of them are up on theanimatrix.com

Second rennisance 1 and 2 are the best because they explain what morpheus was talking about in part 1. Really graphic and fucked up. Anime at it's best.

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[Meve]

I have a great quality download of the Matrix downloaded and I recently watched it again and I have changed my previous opinion on it. I really think it's really good and I think its a quality sequel. I really can't wait for the next one. 5 months left.

or maybe I'm just an idiot