The Saudi's

[furie]

Do you think the Saudi royal family are friends to the US? I know the people hate us, but what really motivates the royal family?

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[HBox]

All they want to do is stay in power. So they will as long as they possibly can placate both the fundamentalist muslims gaining power and popularity within Saudi Arabia and us who want them to help us stop terrorists. If we can get the people to stop hating us, the Saudi Royal Family will be no threat.

Pulling our troops out of Saudi Arabia is a good start. Building a successful government in Iraq will help. Helping broker peace between Israel and Palestine will help. As soon as the people of Saudi Arabia no longer view us as an enemy, fundamentalism will no longer be a significant threat and the Saudi Royal family will stop supporting it.

[LiquidCourage]

They're scumbags. I don't know of a single American who isn't annoyed at how the American government is butt buddies with these scumbags.

[TooCute]

Two things I know about Saudis:

A lot of the Saudi royal kids go to school in the US.

They also think that 9-11 was some sort of US conspiracy (I don't know what this means, this is just what my mom told me some Saudi prince told her when she was in Riyadh a couple of months ago)

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[Death Metal Moe]

They're scumbags.

I remember hearing about the way they treat their servants. They work them all day and night for shit wages, beat them, take their passports and lock them in their houses so they can't run.

And they do this in the US too! Certian segments of out government, the State Dept. mostly if memory serves turn a blind eye to all the offenses.

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[LiquidCourage]

Hey, slavery still goes on in the US.

It's all over Chinatown, not to mention Mexicans are held in the Southwest as prisoners to do forced labor.

[TheMojoPin]

As long as we buddy up to these monsters, any of our current actions in the Middle East can only hope to seem hypocritical at BEST. NO GOOD.

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[A.J.]

All they want to do is stay in power.


Exactly.



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[Bergalad]

It was a great move to decide to pull out of SA, just like pulling out of Germany. The Saudis are just about the laziest people on the planet, living off of their oil riches and basically enslaving the Pakistani workers that flock there for a chance at work. I was down there a few years ago and they are incredibly self-righteous and, in my opinion, completely hate the West. The royal family is knee-deep into supporting terrorism and extremism. A successful government in Iraq could go a long way to show the people of SA and other ME countries that they can succeed better through Democracy than through emirs and kings.

[FiveB247]

Saudi Arabia will hopefully buckle down on terror groups due to the latest bombings. As for the US involvement and dealings with such a country, I believe once Iraq's oil is running at full capacity, Saudi Arabia will be just another human rights abuser the US ignores; except the oil ties will not be pertinent on OPEC directly like it was in the past. Thus making Saudi Arabia less of an impact and overall less influential in the US interests.

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[mdr55]

At least with your enemies, you know where they stand. Friends are the ones you have to watch out for.

[JiZ]

Do you think the Saudi royal family are friends to the US?


There are no arabs that are friends with the U.S.




This message was edited by JiZ on 5-21-03 @ 11:32 AM

[mdr55]

You're right, kill them all! Why don't we just nuke the whole middle east and start over like we did with Japan.

[FiveB247]

There are no arabs that are friends with the U.S.

It's rather funny how you describe "friend" compared to "ally". I guess it's ok to whore yourself out for oil though? hmm The US doesn't seem to mind that...ehh?

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[A.J.]

I guess it's ok to whore yourself out for oil though? hmm The US doesn't seem to mind that...ehh?

Let's expand drilling in ANWR and The Gulf of Mexico so we won't have to "whore ourselves out".

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[TheMojoPin]

Let's just not use oil, or least pretend like we're TRYING to get to that.

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[Bergalad]

Let's expand drilling in ANWR and The Gulf of Mexico so we won't have to "whore ourselves out".
I wonder if they would shout "No Caribou blood for oil!" then?

[FiveB247]

Well you might find it ok for our naiton to befriend the awful Saudi's for oil at all costs, I find it a grotesque violation of decency. But who really needs to practice what ythey preach? Only the trite do that...right?

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[JiZ]

It's rather funny how you describe "friend" compared to "ally".


What I mean is. There are no good arabs.

Its is my deep seeded hatred and utter contempt for human life that gets me through each day

[TheMojoPin]

What I mean is. There are no good arabs.

Not even the nice half Egyptian/half Iraqi girl at work who just invited me to go see the Evan Dando show next month? DAMMIT...I REALLY wanted to go see that show...

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[Yerdaddy]

Extremism: <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/" target="_blank">Ffrontline - Saudi Time Bomb?</a>
<a the basis of the relationship: href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A55265-2002Feb10&notFound=true" target="_blank">Oil for Security Fueled Close Ties </a>
They hook us up on global oil prices, even when it's when we do something that their public is overwhelmingly opposed to: <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A12711-2003Mar11&notFound=true
" target="_blank">Saudi Arabia Vows To Boost Oil Output In Event of War </a>
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A42919-2003Apr26&notFound=true
" target="_blank">U.S.-Saudi Alliance Appears Strong </a>

I sum it up this way: The Saudi regime is dependent on the US for security, weapons transfers, and oil markets. The US regime is dependent on access to oil, having the largest source of oil that is willing to use its reserves to counter any destablizing forces that come about, and a pro-US sphere of influence in the Middle East. What doesn't factor into the relationship is: we don't ask about their human rights record, and they don't bother Israel too much.

I know the people hate us
The problem with this idea is that it assumes all Saudis think alike. But look at us on this board. It's an intellectual bitch fight because we all have our own opinions. Saudis have the same diversity of opinions, but with more polarization depending on access on secular education or Wahabbi madrassas. I'd take a guess that just as many Americans hate Saudis as vise versa.

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[TheMojoPin]

This isn't Saudi Arabia-related, but...

You know what's interesting about the younger generation that's the majority in Iran today? They refer to the war with Iraq as the war against "Arab invasion"...

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[A.J.]

You know what's interesting about the younger generation that's the majority in Iran today? They refer to the war with Iraq as the war against "Arab invasion"...


That's almost as good as Southerners who refer to the Civil War as "The War of Northern Aggression".

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