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oooyesss
05-25-2003, 01:28 PM
I met a fantastic woman. We seem to have alot in common except there is differences in our religions. I enjoy her company and all but I'm just wondering on down the line when this will become a problem when I start to maybe want to get more serious with her. As of now I see no problem but it might be if I decide I want more out of this relationship. Do you think a marriage can survive with two different beliefs?

kc7586
05-25-2003, 02:10 PM
yes i think you can make it work, i dont think that if you care for someone that their religious beliefs ahould affect your relationship. if it doesnt work because of religion, then it wouldnt have worked anyway the religion was just an excuse. good luck, i wish you all the best with her.

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reeshy
05-25-2003, 02:14 PM
I have a cousin who is Irish-Catholic and his wife is Jewish. They have several kids and one of the best marriages that I have ever seen. I think that 2 people can overcome our built-in and learned prejudices if they truly love and respect one another. Good luck!!

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Geppetto
05-25-2003, 02:33 PM
I know a lot of couples that have different religons and I have never heard of it becoming a problem. One thing to think about is how much is your religon a part of your life and the same goes for her.

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oooyesss
05-25-2003, 02:49 PM
I guess I'm more concerned for her beliefs more so than mine. She is more religious than I. I'm not ready to talk to her about future stuff yet. But I have been thinking about this for a while now.

How do people deal with raising children with two different beliefs?

ChickenHawk
05-25-2003, 03:16 PM
Horde King is an atheist and his wife is Jewish. That seems to be working out just fine.

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Reephdweller
05-25-2003, 04:39 PM
It's only a difficult arrangement if either of you would be affected if family members were opposed to such a thing. I think it's more of a thing that could have been taboo years ago, but I don't know if it matters all that much anymore. Plus if the two of you love each other, than it should matter to you what anyone else thinks. Follow you hearts.

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FUNKMAN
05-25-2003, 05:55 PM
be glad you are not Hindu, then you guys would have to hold sacred the Cow Menorah...

little joke i made up...

don't worry too much about what other people may think. Reeshy summed it up well when he said Love and Respect for each other is the key...

although i believe some people marry for conveniance or for materialistic reasons and can be married for as long as people who marry for Love...



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Heavy
05-25-2003, 06:58 PM
I dont she a problem unless shes praying to Odin or something

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JiZ
05-25-2003, 07:06 PM
Well, speaking as a Jew, I have never dated a girl that is the same religion as me. I was always scared that our horns would get locked together:(

Its is my deep seeded hatred and utter contempt for human life that gets me through each day

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Arienette
05-25-2003, 08:32 PM
i dont think that if you care for someone that their religious beliefs ahould affect your relationship. if it doesnt work because of religion, then it wouldnt have worked anyway the religion was just an excusethis isn't necessarily true. if you're a religious person, having differing religious beliefs can certainly be a relationship deal-breaker, and not just an "excuse".

which leads me to my response proper... if you are religious (which you don't seem to be, particularly), you might want to think about ending things now. once you get too far into things, it will be much harder to end it, which you might have to do. and i wouldnt worry too much about her end of things, let her deal with that part. if her religious beliefs are important to her, she should be considering this same question on her own right about now.

if you're willing to compromise on things religion-wise, and your religion is not a central part of your life, then you should be fine. but talk about things early, it can become a very difficult thing.


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05-26-2003, 01:40 AM
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CYYYFYYY
05-26-2003, 12:48 PM
As a Jew I may have some more insight. You say she is kinda religious so this may
lead to problems. However you are in decent shape because she is Jewish so
supposedly the kid is Jewish. You should discuss this with her. Will her parents lay
down the law and say you cannot date a nonjew? As for the Horde king he is an
atheist but Jewish by birth and he follows the Sabbath and all that stuff. I believe
anyway and I hope I have not misspoken. It depends on the individual so talk about
it. Say will she make you convert? Do you have a problem with converting? It
depends on the individual..........


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IrishAlkey
05-26-2003, 01:05 PM
Did you two walk into a bar with a Polish guy?

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HordeKing1
05-26-2003, 01:24 PM
Oooyesss - This is a very important question and it's excellent that you are considering it now, as opposed to later down the line.

The very short answer is that people of different religious beliefs can marry and have an excellent relationship - IF they discuss everything about the difference and how they will work with (and around them) BEFORE they happen. For example, will the kids be raised in one religion or the other, or both or neither? What holidays will be celebrated? Discussing these issues beforehand insures that there will not be any major unexpected surprises due to different religious expectations on part of the couple.

Another important consideration is the degree of belief involved. Some people are so much into their respective religious belief that they simply cannot accept anyone of a different faith (at least not to marry). People who are less religious generally have an easier time adopting and compromising on these issues because they have less emotional and mental energy expended into maintaining and justifying their beliefs.

This does not exclude people with extremely different religious beliefs from having a very happy, loving and nurturing relationship. A large measure of compromise is needed on both sides and the relationship has to be very solid in order for such a marked disparity to work.

It has been mentioned above (and I may have mentioned once or twice - :) ) that I am an atheist. The idea of a supreme being is silly to me, and actually anathema as I feel it produces and maintains many of society's major problems. My wife on the other hand is strictly Jewish Orthodox.

Obviously, these two beliefs are mutually incompatible. Yet we love each other so much that we worked out a system where we can be true to our beliefs (for the most part) and still keep the other person happy.

I "celebrate" the sabbath, by not doing anything my wife considers inappropriate, such as working on the computer when she and the kids are around. She however, knows very well, that as soon as she and the kids are asleep, I'm on the computer, or on the phone, etc. It's a compromise both ways. She respects my atheism and I respect her belief. We accomodate each other to as great an extent as possible.

You can love and respect a person even if you feel their belief is silly - and that's a great thing b/c she thinks atheism is silly and cannot fathom it, just as I cannot fathom the willing suspension of disbelief required by religion.

We are raising our kids Jewish - meaning that they go to a Hebrew school. However, we also talk to them at lenght about religion of all types and the positive and negative about not only the practice but the belief itself. Our kids are exposed to ideas that many of their classmates are not fortunate to experience.

Ultimately, they will make up their own mind as to what they believe. But, surprise! Kids do that anyway. We're exposing them to different sides of the question so they can make a more informed decision.

I am certain that even the act of questioning religious observance and the existence of god will be a positive experience and teach them critical thinking skills no matter what they ultimately choose to believe.

Again, it can work - just work out the details ahead of time.


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mdr55
05-26-2003, 01:50 PM
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schmega
05-26-2003, 01:50 PM
love is hard enough to find as it is. to give yourself an extra obstacle to overcome is absurd. religion should just be between you and your deity. leave the one you love, or could potentially love, out of it.

NewYorkDragons80
05-26-2003, 02:18 PM
With all due respect to HordeKing, your situation was probably easier since both of you were raised Jewish Othodox. Oooyes's situation might be difficult because the families come from different backgrounds that may clash.

I know someone who is Iranian-Jewish and Phillipino-Catholic and somehow their parents made it work. In my opinion, somewhere down the road one of the 2 faiths will take preference over the other, especially if there are kids involved.

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HordeKing1
05-26-2003, 06:36 PM
DRAGON - Perhaps it's counterintuitive but having lived together as Orthodox Jews for the first 10 years of our marriage has made my atheism of the last 8 years much more difficult for my wife to understand.

It certainly wasn't a situation that either of us expected going into the marriage. It raises all sorts of issues that we hadn't expected to encounter. It was very difficult for her to adjust to, perhaps moreso than I. From her perspective, I totally changed from one extreme to another. From my perspective, I couldn't understand how she continued to cling to the comfort of superstitions.

The largest factor in our ability to maintain a respectful and very loving relationship over the last 8 years was the joint decision to try to resolve potential conflicts ahead of time when possible and to meet unforseen circumstances together as they arise.

If you love someone, and realize that there are always differences between people, and place the relationship above all else, even a deep chasm like religious differences can be bridged.

I don't recall who said this adage, but it's very appropos of this discussion. It's very possible (and sometimes necessary) to always respect a person, if not their belief.

EDIT: On the flip side of the coin, a guy I know is getting divorced because his wife became more religious than they both used to be. They couldn't resolve their differences. However, the marriage had other problems besides this and their inability to effectively communicate was the main cause of the divorce - the religious difference was merely the trigger.

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This message was edited by HordeKing1 on 5-26-03 @ 10:53 PM