Clinton Wants to See Term Limits Changed

[A.J.]

And I agree. I've always thought that term limits were a stupid idea. If you want to see an elected official term limited then vote him or her out of office.

What do you think?

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[reeshy]

I never thought that I would agree with anything that Clinton would say but I must say that I have to go along with this one-But not for his sake. It should also be examined on the state and local level. For instance, I'm convinced the Guiliani would still be the mayor of NY if not for term limitations here in the city. I'm not saying that the city would not be in the dire straits that it finds itself in but I think that Rudy would have found a better solution to the problem than Bloomberg has (or hasn't).

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[Bergalad]

I do not agree with term limits as a mandatory policy, but I understand why they were created. End term limits, but campaign finance reform will be required to make rookies able to complete with the incumbents. As it stands right now, unless you are a millionaire you won't get elected it seems.

[furie]

I never thought term limits were a good idea. This is a republic and the people should be able to pick who they want.

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[JerryTaker]

I don't know, having had to spend at least half my days for the past.. almost 10 years here in Newark under "Mayor for Life" Sharpe James, I think there's something to be said for term limits...



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[A.J.]

I don't know, having had to spend at least half my days for the past.. almost 10 years here in Newark under "Mayor for Life" Sharpe James, I think there's something to be said for term limits...

I know how you feel Jerry -- I spent a number of years living under Marion Barry's regime. I was glad when they term-limited him but I also realized that if the majority of voters in DC want to keep reelecting him, they should be allowed to do so. The same thing goes for the majority of voters in West Virginia and Massachusetts who keep sending Robert Byrd and Ted Kennedy back to the Senate.

As far as Presidential term limits go, why only two? Until FDR, nobody ran for more than two "because George Washington only served for two."

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[Se7en]

SHOCKER that Clinton wants term limits changed. I had my 8 years of Bill, it was enough for me.

I'm with reeshy - think about changing them on the state and local levels. But leave the Presidency at two terms and done.

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[furie]

but Se7en, don't you see? if we revoke the 22nd ammendment, then we can bring Reagan back!!!

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[phixion]

then we can bring Reagan back!!!


nothing is better than a president who i ssitting in his own puddle of piss and drool

Until FDR, nobody ran for more than two "because George Washington only served for two."


actually teddy roosevelt ran for a third term before his cousin did. only he did as a member of third party, and lost. id like to clone fdr so we could keep him in office forever. and have clinton as his vice president, the 2 best presidents of the 20th century together, and woodrow wilson as attorney general, man that would b a eutopia.

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[Death Metal Moe]

I dislike the idea of term limits. Being told we can't have an elected official even when we might want him back is insulting. Take Rudy in NYC. I think we all wanted him to stay instead of the shmuck midget in there now.

Then again, once a person is in there, they do tend to stay like Jerrytaker said. I'd use Uncle Ted Kennedy from Mass. as an example. He's the scum of the Earth, yet he just keeps getting re-elected. Same thing with Strom Thurmond. He could hardly speak, but got the vote everytime.

I don't know. I'd say just leave it as is. And like Reeshy said, the only reason he's pushing this is because he knows he's win the Democratic bid to take on Bush in '04 hands down..

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[A.J.]

actually teddy roosevelt ran for a third term before his cousin did. only he did as a member of third party, and lost.


Dammit! Good catch -- I completely forgot about TR's 1912 Bull Moose Party run!

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[furie]

Take Rudy in NYC. I think we all wanted him to stay instead of the shmuck midget in there now.


WE? I thought you lived in 'Jersey...?

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[GaryWyze]

<font color=purple>Term limits should be abolished. The whole idea of saving people from themselves is a retarded one. We're a democracy, if a majority of people want any one person in office, that should be the only criteria.

Term limits amount to nothing more than collectively saying "oh, stop me before I vote for the person I really wanna see serve." Stupid!

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[furie]

We're a democracy


we're a republic

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[GaryWyze]

<font color=purple>Speak for yourself, I'm an Independent.

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[Knowledged_one]

Shocker Clinton would say anything to get himself back into the public spotlight. Another 4 years of a president who vowed to do something in office but succeeds in only catching some dome in 8 years what a great guy. Plus here in maryland the people continually elect barbara mcculskey the most do nothing senator ever, she has never initiated one thing in congress in the whole time there she is worthless

and oh yeah Reagan should be the fifth face added to Rushmore

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[furie]

Speak for yourself, I'm an Independent.


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[Def Dave in SC]

the idea with term limits is to make sure that people dont make careers out of politics. By staying in politics for most of their professional lives, many people either

1) lose touch with the constuants

2) put their job above the people. (i.e. spending time in office working towards reelection rather than actually doing anything meaningful)

3)begin to run out of ideas. By trhis i mean that when people stay in a particular job for years and years, new ideas never get a chance to develop.

With a new person cming in every few years, you idealy get a new perspective on things, and hopefully better ways of dealing with issues.


Now I know this is extremely idealsitic, but I really think that term limits are important.

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[JerryTaker]

the idea with term limits is to make sure that people dont make careers out of politics.


Well, that worked out well....

Good thing there are no career politicians out there...

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[shamus mcfitzy]

woodrow wilson as attorney general,


mr. "I hate socialists" can rot in his grave, thank you. An all Roosevelt ticket would be great. Teddy's mustache could intimidate any world leader......

[LiquidCourage]

I'll only agree with this if it says specifically in the ammendment that it won't apply to Clinton.

[LiquidCourage]

id like to clone fdr so we could keep him in office forever. and have clinton as his vice president, the 2 best presidents of the 20th century together



You should be beaten to death with a sack of doorknobs for your lack of knowledge in politics.

[phixion]

You should be beaten to death with a sack of doorknobs for your lack of knowledge in politics.


ok this is an opinion u know that rite? but id like to add that under clinton my family and i prospered like no other time. and yes i thank my fuckin president for that. cuz under this pretzel-choking asshole my mother is out of work while my tuition bill is about to b raised. under clinton this didnt occur. no suny school raised its tuition. but hey with this great economy and all, why not?

and fdr got us out of the great depression and basically kicked ass as a president. and if u deny that u and i wouldnt agree that the sky is blue.

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[TheMojoPin]

Let's face facts...if there weren't any term limits, Clinton would be president right NOW. So think about THAT if you support this.

And I don't think we have ENOUGH use of term limits. Like Moe said, too many careerists like Byrd, Kennendy and Thurmond...hell, I say extend it to the Supreme Court. KEEP IT FRESH. Our country is constantly evolving and growing and changing...so should its politicians.

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[HBox]

If we are going to do anything to change the election process, lets get rid of this stupid electoral college. We claim to be the biggest, best Democracy in the world yet the actual votes technically have nothing to do with electing the President.

[Death Metal Moe]

I feel ya Mojo.

A conservative appointee today may still be alive on the Supreme Court if the country votes totally Liberal, and the othe way around.

Supreme Court Term Limits!!!

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[phixion]

I say extend it to the Supreme Court.


well supreme court needs to b for life, or for a long time at least. otherwise every president would just appoint those justices that supported tehir way of thought. every conservative president will have justices who interpret the consititution word for word, and every liberal president would have justices who interpret the constitution very liberally. i think justices should hold power until their 70.

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[TheMojoPin]

I don't think the justices should have 4-year limits...even limiting to just 20 years would be fine. It's just absurd to have these things locked in for 30-40+ years.

AND, you shouldn't be allowed to hold ANY public office above the age of 75. TOSS 'EM IN THE REACTOR SO WE MAY LIVE!

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[LiquidCourage]

AND, you shouldn't be allowed to hold ANY public office above the age of 75



Or drive!

[Death Metal Moe]

AND, you shouldn't be allowed to hold ANY public office above the age of 75


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[LiquidCourage]

but id like to add that under clinton my family and i prospered like no other time. and yes i thank my fuckin president for that



And how did he do that?

By laying down the single biggest tax increase in American history?

By not enacting the middle class tax cut he promised the country?

[phixion]

And how did he do that?


both my mother and father were employed, they were able to send my sister to college without jeopardizing sending me to private school so that i dont get a shit education in the new york public school system. thats what he did. i dont care any of the numbers u throw at me, cuz to me they dont matter. i saw my community start to prosper under clinton, i saw my family prosper. and i trust what i see with my eyes, and touch with my hands before i trust ink on paper.

and apparently this tax hike didnt affect my familys economic status. but this tax break is.

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[LiquidCourage]

Right.
So it must be Clinton.
Forget our Congress, state and local governments.
It must be Clinton!

[SuperKarateMonkeyDeathFez]

By contrast...

"Something is going right! It MUST be Bush/Not 'liberal'!"

Sound familiar, sounding board?

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[LiquidCourage]

. i dont care any of the numbers u throw at me, cuz to me they dont matter.


Yeah, who needs all those meaningless facts when you can just call Republicans mean and greedy and talk about how 'compassionate' Clinton was.

[Death Metal Moe]

and apparently this tax hike didnt affect my familys economic status. but this tax break is.


The tax break didn't take effect yet. You're still living in the Clinton/Gore recession.

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[SuperKarateMonkeyDeathFez]

Yeah, who needs all those meaningless facts when you can just call Republicans mean and greedy and talk about how 'compassionate' Clinton was.

Hey, seems to work fine for you in the tax cut thread where you simply decry ALL "liberals" for simply wanting to "give away everyone's money."

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[JerryTaker]

all those meaningless facts


<I>NOW</I> you've got it!!

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[Se7en]

Right.
So it must be Clinton.
Forget our Congress, state and local governments.
It must be Clinton!

But it was all Clinton!

I mean, sure, there was that Republican majority in BOTH houses of Congress that was responsible for allowing all of that really great economic legislation to pass, but who wants to give those fuckers any credit?

IT HAD TO BE CLINTON!!!!! HE DID IT ALL BY HIMSELF!!!!!

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[travis151]

We need term limits !!! If you think career politicians are a good idea your all nuts.

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how 'compassionate' Clinton was.


Clinton wants back in because of younger interns.

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[high fly]

And how did he do that?

Well, he had to raise taxes to pay off that massive Reagan/Bush Debt.
He negotiated wisely and got treaties like GATT and NAFTA done, as well as other trading policies that increased trade and inspired business confidence.
He worked in a spirit of compromise and cooperation with Republicans [something we don't see much of these days] who, BACK THEN were motivated by a principal known as being "fiscally responsible". Indeed, our current president's budget would be illegal had Republicans gotten everything they wanted back in the mid-90s.
Clinton's efforts to balance the budget also helped to inspire businessmen, as they saw that the government was serious about getting it's financial house in order.
Plus Clinton's personality was great as we could relax and have fun and enjoy good times and not have to put up with all of this polarization caused by the hard-asses in the administration who don't operate in the same spirit of compromise and cooperation.
Now we have an administration that is as fiscally irresponsible as you can get.
Massive record debt seems to be a Republican tradition.

" and they ask me why I drink"

[high fly]

Uhhh, oh yeah. We allready have term limits. They're called ELECTIONS!

" and they ask me why I drink"

[A.J.]

Plus Clinton's personality was great as we could relax and have fun and enjoy good times and not have to put up with all of this polarization caused by the hard-asses in the administration who don't operate in the same spirit of compromise and cooperation.


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[reeshy]

both my mother and father were employed, they were able to send my sister to college without jeopardizing sending me to private school so that i dont get a shit education in the new york public school system. thats what he did.

Maybe you're parents had something to do with the fact that you are receiving a good education. Maybe the president doesn't really have anything to do with the fact that your father has a decent job other than the fact that he is possibly a good worker. Maybe.

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[high fly]

In 12 years of Reagan/Bush, where I live carpenter's wages went up 25%.
During 8 years of Clinton they went up 50%.

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