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monsterone
06-03-2003, 10:12 PM
1. spazz
2. .fuckingcom
3. deadguy
4. 108
5. section 8

honestly, the purpose of this post is to find "new" music. there are so many hc bands now defunk, out of print, no label, etc... but with the internet and a little luck, you can find similar kinds with similar tastes.

definitely check out these bands and post your own.

TeRRoR
06-04-2003, 01:26 AM
108 a good hardcore band? jesus christ... next thing you are going to say shelter is a good hardcore band

1. sheer terror
2. EGH
3. GFY
4. breakdown
5. ramallah
6. blood for blood
7. settle the score
8. NJ Bloodline
9. SFA
10. joe coffee

now that is a list to be proud of... not the one you gave

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06-04-2003, 01:28 AM
DEADGUY A HARDCORE BAND?????? jeez.....

i totally missed that one... if you think they are hardcore, then avril livigne is the queen of punk

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TheMojoPin
06-04-2003, 08:23 AM
It's all dead. Nothing but Nazis and mutants now. Stay away.

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06-04-2003, 08:28 AM
anybody heard of
Clutch?

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noahfex
06-04-2003, 08:37 AM
1.All Out War
2.Blood For Blood
3.Disolve
4.Overcast (rip)
5.Shadows Fall

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angrymissy
06-04-2003, 09:08 AM
anybody heard of Clutch?

Clutch like the clutch that toured with Pantera a while back?

if so, saw them a few times in the mid-90s and they put on a pretty good show

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Wormwood
06-04-2003, 09:42 AM
I'll always stand by Shelter because of Ray Cappo and John Porcell the old Y.O.T. guys.

1. Sheer Terror (circa "thanks for nothin'")
2. Yuppicide
3. Neglect
4. Mind Over Matter
5. V.O.D. (the live studio recording on Riptide WUSB 90.1 circa '94 is awesome, they lost me after they signed with RoadRunner and developed a metal sound)



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grlNIN
06-04-2003, 09:53 AM
Clutch like the clutch that toured with Pantera a while back?

if so, saw them a few times in the mid-90s and they put on a pretty good show




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Wormwood
06-04-2003, 10:03 AM
Now you've got me reminiscing. Some may not be top 5 material but definitely worth mentioning.

1. Bold
2. Supertouch
3. Head Strong
4. Goon Squad
5. Loyal to None
6. Silent Majority
7. Scapegrace
8 Tension
9. Nausea
10. Breakdown
11. Fugue
12. Bad Trip
13. Mouthpiece
14. 411
15 Burn
16. Token Entry
17. Judge
18. Youth Defense League
19. Underdog
20. Disciplinary Action

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Drudge Jr.
06-04-2003, 02:03 PM
i'm just getting into real hardcore now, but here's what im lstening to (i apoligize in advance for my ignorance)

1. antischism
2. capitalist casualties
3. converge
4. lamb of god
5. uhhh at the drive in i guess

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06-04-2003, 04:15 PM
Clutch like the clutch that toured with Pantera a while back?

if so, saw them a few times in the mid-90s and they put on a pretty good show

What about Biohazard Missy? Ever see them?

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06-04-2003, 04:34 PM
5. uhhh at the drive in i guess





Someone is going to shoot you in the face for that.

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fluffernutter
06-04-2003, 05:12 PM
Clutch is still around and still smokes.

Hardcore and labelling in general is way too broad anymore. There are just so manybands that fall under the hardcore umbrella , anymore, I just consider it all music. Goes for all music really. unless of course you fit right in the HC label like the Sick of It Alls and Agnostic fronts of the world. Like, CurlUpAndDie is considered hardcore but I think they are too noisy and don't have that hardcore chunk to them. bands like Waifle and Majority Rule fall under the umbrella toobut they are just experimental enough they come into their own entity. Oh well, whatever. Label if YOU wish, I will just keep listening to what moves me.

It's all dead. Nothing but Nazis and mutants now. Stay away.

Its assholes like these that killed the scene back in the day. Oh wait, my bad, it IS cool to hurt others and stomp everyone in the pit and show how MANLY you are. Go massage each others backs loaded with Nazi garbage. Dicks.

Yeah and Deadguy's Fixation On A Co-worker is an amazing record.

Stay away from Victory Records now too. talk about sell-out. They have a few good bands but nothing like the hardcore staple they used to be.

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TheMojoPin
06-04-2003, 09:08 PM
5. uhhh at the drive in i guess

Someone is going to shoot you in the face for that.

I hope you like man-chowder.

If digging a band as unbearably awesome as the late, lamented At The Drive-In was "gay", then by all means, crown me Faggius Maximus. Y'know, if you hadn't done that already.

On that note, the Mars Volta's debut LP is only weeks away. Your brain's ass has been warned of its imminent kicking.

And fluff, you're so right about Victory. They've basically gone emo, and it's sad. They have probably the worst emo band of the moment, Taking Back Sunday, who are guilty not only of sucking, but of fullfilling that most lame of nu-emo traditions...naming your band with a day of the week. Ech.

Man, what happened to "emo"? Back when it was a mostly DC-based offshoot of DC hardcore, it was awesome and beautiful, but it would still kick your ass, and then your mom's ass. Now it's all about being a spineless goon and trying to get girls by acting like a girl. Wha-?!?

I'm so out of touch with hardcore these days. I still love Dischord Records to death, but they've grown up and very few, if any, of their releases can now be counted as hardcore. Great, great new bands, but I kinda miss the "harder" days. At least the new, remastered Bad Brains "best of" comp makes me feel good.

Where the hell should I go for hardcore? It's all negative and violent and shit these days. Is that par for the course? I tried to get a friend to turn me on to some new hardcore bands a few months back, and he started with some awful, Nazi band called "Hatebreed". It was hideous. And it DID make me want to punch him like he was King Hippo, so maybe violence IS all that's "hardcore" about hardcore these days.

Lame.

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SuperClerk
06-04-2003, 09:36 PM
No Particular Order

1-Life Of Agony
2-Sick of it All
3-Murphy's Law
4-Backslap
5-Sheer Terror
6-Candiria
7-25 ta life
8-Madball
9-Deeper than Black
10-Hatebreed
11-H2O

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fluffernutter
06-04-2003, 09:39 PM
Unless I have been living under a rock, last I checked Hatebreed wasn't Nazi. If any proof does exist that they are TELL ME so i can get rid of everything promptly. If anything, they were one of my favorites from when Satisfaction Is The Death Of Desire came out. On Victory too. That album got me through so much shit and I know those lyrics inside and out, as I said, unless I have been under that rock, they are far from Nazi.

Anyway....

When I first got really into Hardcore and the wonderful scene that it was then and still has the capability to be, I went to see Agnostic Fron, H2O and Maximum Penalty at the Wetlands. AF was just coming back and H2O was just about to release their first record. There was such a bond of brotherhood and family there and it was a beautiful thing.

Naturally, I got intot he Victory bands cause Tony at the time was a good guy and all about pushing the music. Bands like Snapcase, Strife, Deadguy and Earth Crisis (they had to grow on me) there was nothing short of a positive and in some cases Straight Edge theme to all the bands. The label grew and sure, it was one of the major indie labels but still grounded. I went to see Reach The Sky in Philly and got a sampler from this band called Thursday. I had just read a few things about them in the Aquarian when they were still clubbing around New Brunswick and I checked out the sampler. I was blown away. It had the raw hardcore emotion and feel and really good lyrics and just were two good songs. Needless to say I got the record as soon as I could and then got the first one, Waiting. Again, great stuff.

Like I mentioned a few weks back, it was almost always like, if it is on Victory it has to be good. I found out about so many bands just cause of that and never really had any flops. Until Student Rick. What the HELL!?! Then Waterdown and then Buried Alive. The band was losing its Integrity (no pun) and was slowly following and pushing Thurdsday and using them as their stepping stone to being a big label and getting major label distro. A friend of mine in the business also told me about how Tony supplied a lot of the early Victory music to a porn flick and the bands (some Straight Edge) were beyond pissed. I found this out becasue of a song by DC hardcore band Good Clean Fun who had a track called Victory Records Sucks. I asked why and there was my answer above.

Victory also jumped all over the limited colored vinyl bandwagon. Colored vinyl from Victory would be very hidden and unknown casue their vinyl from the distro would be sealed and you wouldn't know until you got home and then SURPRISE, marbled vinyl. COOL! The labels on the records would also represent the BAND (i.e. Grey Area - Fanbelt Algebra was on Brown splattered vinyl with the grey Area label and track listing on Side A and B). After the blow up of Thursday and one pressing I believe of Full Collapse with the Thursday band label on the vinyl, Victory released everything else with Victory Records Limited Colored Vinyl labels on the records. They would charge a bit more for these and make them collectors items with the labels and numbers and shit unlike other Indies who are so much more not IN YOUR FACE about it.

Thats my problem with Victory.



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TheMojoPin
06-04-2003, 09:40 PM
Hey, I at least like Thursday. Too bad about the name...

No, Hatebreed isn't REALLY Nazi, but they have a ton of Nazi fans (Not that this is the band's fault), and the only video of theirs I saw looked like a totaly Nazi Youth circle-stomp. Of course, maybe that's just the norm at hardcore shows these days. I guess I'm just too old and too into musical hooks now.

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fluffernutter
06-04-2003, 09:48 PM
I can't really participate in the pits anymore but I love watching the kids fucking dance. They do some wacky shit. The respect given to some of the showboaters doing all the flips and kick turns is swell too.

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monsterone
06-04-2003, 10:34 PM
god damn terror, we have to break out of the pre-1995 metro-area sound, brother. don't get me wrong, i grew up on this shit and attended many of these band's shows in upstate ny, and will always go back to.

here is my definition of hardcore: any bands on the bill at your local club, vets hall, elks club, etc... on a sunday. something local. the cool thing about hc is that it brings a lot of local sounds under the same umbrella.

wormwoods list is a definite through back.

drudge jr. if you like antishcism, you'll like .fuckingcom. plus spazz is the pinnacle of west coast power violence, ie. cap cas.

fluff- i definitely agree with your taste. integrity and such ruled on the victory label back in the day, and now it's what revelation turned into. the dc noise sound, majority rule,etc... i've been feeling for a while.

mojo- up until '89, hc had a positive sound, then the angst set in. it's a young angry man music. not to alienate anyone, but the whole purpose was to let aggression out. but i agree, hatebreed is a bunch of militant retards following a formula. plenty more out threre to enjoy.

grlNIN
06-04-2003, 11:10 PM
If digging a band as unbearably awesome as the late, lamented At The Drive-In was "gay", then by all means, crown me Faggius Maximus. Y'know, if you hadn't done that already.





Guess What?...I meant for listing At The Drive In as a "Hardcore" Band. I love A.T.D.I. Maybe if your head wasn't up your ass reading comprehension wouldn't be so difficult.

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06-04-2003, 11:19 PM
Guess What?...I meant for listing At The Drive In as a "Hardcore" Band. I love A.T.D.I. Maybe if your head wasn't up your ass reading comprehension wouldn't be so difficult.

I still want to be called "Faggius Maximus". And you can still be Garafalo-lite.

Speaking of ATDI, did you check out Sparta's album? Not bad, but it dragged after a while...I can't friggin' wait for that Mars Volta LP.

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TheMojoPin
06-04-2003, 11:21 PM
mojo- up until '89, hc had a positive sound, then the angst set in. it's a young angry man music. not to alienate anyone, but the whole purpose was to let aggression out.

Yeah, I guess I'm stuck with the old stuff. I like kicking some shit, but I also like to feel a little opitimistic after it. The new stuff all seems so steeped in misery and hopelessness.

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grlNIN
06-04-2003, 11:28 PM
I still want to be called "Faggius Maximus". And you can still be Garafalo-lite.

Speaking of ATDI, did you check out Sparta's album? Not bad, but it dragged after a while...I can't friggin' wait for that Mars Volta LP.






I am sooo digging Garafalo-lite, thanks Faggius(I'll call you Faggius for short).


I don't really like Sparta all too much but i am anxiously waiting to buy the Volta LP...thank god for Kazaa!!!!

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06-05-2003, 12:08 AM
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TeRRoR
06-05-2003, 01:28 AM
tomorra after i get home from work... i will have a really good response to a lot of people's visions on hardcore... granted, some stuff i will say is my opinion... but other stuff is factual.

I am not saying that this is the way of hardcore either.

and also, noahfx.... I WONDER WHY "ALL OUT WAR" IS THE NUMBER 1 BAND ON YOUR LIST.

hmmm..... i wonder

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jratt
06-05-2003, 05:04 AM
god damn terror, we have to break out of the pre-1995 metro-area sound, brother. don't get me wrong, i grew up on this shit and attended many of these band's shows in upstate ny, and will always go back to.



say your prayers and eat your vitamins brother

here is my definition of hardcore: any bands on the bill at your local club, vets hall, elks club, etc... on a sunday. something local. the cool thing about hc is that it brings a lot of local sounds under the same umbrella



This has to be one of the worst definitions i have ever heard. under this some gospal group could be hardcore. dude you are lost go back to hat topic and buy yourself a limpbiscuit tee shirt...now here is my list

1.bad brains
2. agnostic front
3.bulldoze
4.badluck 13
5.murphys law
6. sheer terror
7.minor threat
8. nj bloodline
9. terror zone
10. underdog
and so many others alot of the new stuff cant even get close to the feeling and power of these bands and many others hardcore is on a down swing right now but it goes in cycles and will be back up again with bands like hatebreed and e-town concrete doing real well we will see..................on a side note i just started to listen to some old punk again and the misfits are fucking great give them a try again cause i cant get enough of them


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fluffernutter
06-05-2003, 06:18 AM
Speaking of ATDI, did you check out Sparta's album? Not bad, but it dragged after a while...I can't friggin' wait for that Mars Volta LP

I thought it dragged as well and i was the only onbe who thought it. The EP/7" they put out first was great. The mars Volta is quite amazing though and that should be upon us in a few weeks.

Why do I have a feeling that a train is approaching?

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angrymissy
06-05-2003, 06:37 AM
What about Biohazard Missy? Ever see them?


yea, a few times, actually one of them went to my old high school and was friends with my friends older brother... so they were around her house a lot

i used to go to a lot of shows

1-Life Of Agony
2-Sick of it All
3-Murphy's Law

seen all of them live too... but back then i didn't consider it hardcore, i thought it was metal

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06-05-2003, 11:37 AM
- black flag
- minor threat
- husker du
- bad brains
- fear
- minutemen
- dead kennedys
- suicidal tendencies
- flipper
- wipers

Drudge Jr.
06-05-2003, 02:25 PM
ok, now i'm totally confused about the definition of hardcore. i was always under the impression that's it's fast metal with screaming, but you're naming a bunch of punk bands

also about the atdi thing - but i always thought of it as a new type of hardcore. i had always heard bands like atdi thursday mars volta (new lp will be amazing) described as hardcore, if i'm wrong i apologize. you know i have good taste, grlnin.

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TheMojoPin
06-05-2003, 02:40 PM
Too me, and I guess some of the people here, hardcore IS punk, or at least it was...based mostly in the 80's in DC, NYC and LA. It was loud and fast but ultimately positive...emo in it's original form 15-20 years ago was a direct offshoot of hardcore punk, and bears little to no resemblance to modern "emo".

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fluffernutter
06-05-2003, 04:55 PM
To be honest, not only as far as sound goes, Hardcore to me is a feeling. A feeling brought out by the way of loud aggressive some times (slam) danceable punk rock fury.

From the HEART if you will.

From the STREETS if you will.

Raybeez (RIP) from Warzone said it best:

In our minds, and in our hearts, we feel that Hardcore should stay out of big business, and stay in the streets where it belongs. All you kids out there, ALWAYS KEEP THE FAITH!

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monsterone
06-05-2003, 05:43 PM
here is my definition of hardcore: any bands on the bill at your local club, vets hall, elks club, etc... on a sunday. something local. the cool thing about hc is that it brings a lot of local sounds under the same umbrella



This has to be one of the worst definitions i have ever heard. under this some gospal group could be hardcore. dude you are lost go back to hat topic and buy yourself a limpbiscuit tee shirt...now here is my list



the point i was trying to make is that hc is a scene. you'd get these bands who put on a show at some wierd venue (community center, pool hall, dive bar, etc..), and promote with xeroxed flyers. no big clubs, no promoters, no ticketmaster - it was for the scene. it's about the underground community- supporting local.

but hardcore is also a sound, without true definition bc the sound varies from scene to scene, town to town. plus, it's a progressive style music- started out edgier punk, turned into a nyhc sound, then a pantera/ slayer sound, today i'm not sure how i'd define it. and that in part due to the internet(my guess).

anyway, the point of this post was to help me find some new music. some obsure shit i've never heard of from your neck of the woods.

so let's put it this way, hc bands are the bands that play with the other bands that sound punk, metal, thrash, noise, etc...

(ps - jratt, didn't i see you come off the tour bus late nite the last time creed was in town?)

jratt
06-06-2003, 06:37 AM
To be honest, not only as far as sound goes, Hardcore to me is a feeling. A feeling brought out by the way of loud aggressive some times (slam) danceable punk rock fury.

From the HEART if you will.

From the STREETS if you will.

Raybeez (RIP) from Warzone said it best:

In our minds, and in our hearts, we feel that Hardcore should stay out of big business, and stay in the streets where it belongs. All you kids out there, ALWAYS KEEP THE FAITH!



That explains it perfectly warzone where great i had not heard them in a long time will have to give them a listen when i get home....


monsterone.....you ass that was not creed it was right said fred....now if you want to hear the most brutal stomping voilent band ever give bulldoze a try they are the ones that started the hole tuff guy nyhc hardcore scene


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noahfex
06-06-2003, 07:08 AM
I wonder why All Out War is th number 1 band on your list


Hey I gotta give respect to the hometown favorite. You dont think that theyre worthy of a top 5 hardcore list?

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Wormwood
06-06-2003, 07:16 AM
As far as their music went I liked Madball and 25 Ta Life but I was always a little disappointed with the whole gangsta hardcore DMS thing that they were doing, it was almost like the opposite of what I thought the scene was supposed to be about.

Oh yeah, Warzone sucked, always have.


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Wormwood
06-06-2003, 07:25 AM
Although "As One" was a good song.

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Big Fill
06-06-2003, 07:46 AM
Slugfest
Harvest
Biohazard
Dog Eat Dog
No Redeeming Social Value
Murphys Law
CroMags
Gorilla Biscuits
Snapcase
Turmoil
Coldfront
Crown of Thornz
25 Ta Life
Farenheit 451
Union
Despair
Building on Fire
Morning Again
Neglect
Overthrow
Tension*
Most Precious Blood
Sick of it All

Wormwood
06-06-2003, 07:55 AM
Big Fill listing Tension* in his first post ever, gotta love the most infamous eastern L.I. H.C. band!!!

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The Chairman
06-07-2003, 07:43 AM
Oh geez I'm really old.

I consider my top 5 hardcore bands, based on only ones I've seen live, as:

1) Bad Brains
2) Agnostic Front
3) Sick of It All
4) Cro Mags
5) Is Earth Crisis considered hardcore?

And I'm interested to know what genre people consider one of my all time favorite bands that I used to follow like people follow The Dead or Phish - The Jesus Lizard.

The Lizard's shows were so cathartic to me I would leave them and it would be like having gotten a massage and taken a Xanax.

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fluffernutter
06-07-2003, 08:11 AM
And I'm interested to know what genre people consider one of my all time favorite bands that I used to follow like people follow The Dead or Phish - The Jesus Lizard.

Me personally throw them in with the post-punk/hardcore genre if any genre at all. As I said before, I hate to label and after hearing the disc CK gave me (thank you again for that), I just throw them in a class of their own, honestly. They almost reside in the land of The Melvins, Sunny Day Real Estate and Superchunk in a way. You have no idea what to label them becasue so may bands are just all over the place and just go out and well, ROCK!

Bottom line, that is what it is all about, going out and rocking your ass for 45 minutes that spiritually and emotionally sets you free and sharing that experience with others.

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Bob Impact
06-08-2003, 11:05 AM
To call back from like 35 posts ago, let me make it clear that Hatebreed is FAR from a Nazi band and mention that there is a distinction between Nazi's and skinheads. As far as them being a formula band or not being a positive influence, listen to the new album. To me thet embody many of the things Hardcore music is about. But then again I grew up with two of the guys in the band.



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TeRRoR
06-09-2003, 09:51 PM
a big fuck you goes out to the bulk of the hardcore scene for losing all it's honesty and becoming a haven for priveledged, suburban, upwardly mobile, pampered, college bound, pre-yuppie elitists who have no adversity in their lives and nothing to be angry about. this music is supposed to be from the streets. it is supposed to be played for and played by people for whom poverty, oppression, violence, hopelesness, despair and pain aren't just concepts you read about in the class room. for some people these words hold the horror of the world and are a daily reality.

If I've offended someone, well then maybe you should be offended. For a type of music/scene that was born out of total disgust and disregard for the norm, you fucks whine like a pack of spoiled brats turned hippie, suck the teat of your own complancency, while trying to pass off your shit for truffles.

There are plenty of bands out there more than willing to please it's audiences and not stay true and do it for you and they play it under the guise of "old school". You can have it, along with your dietary regimens, gossip fueled rumor mills, lame attempts at spirituality, political agendas, prep-scool ebonics, and over-priced fashions.

kids nowadays have the look and they have the moves... but, what they lack is something a bit more important. something that you can't fake, and something that you can't see. which is why they miss it... it's sincerity.

how can you tell when a kid lacks sincerity? when he jumps on every new trend without even looking back. that happens all the time. you can tell a kid cares if he's there next year, and the year after that, and the year after that and the year after that. if they stand the test of time. it's so easy to grab a record, learn the words, sing along, fingerpoint, and learn the fun dances. but, if it doesnt mean something a little more... you'll get tired of it. you'll "grow out of it" and you'll just drop out. it happens all the time.

and when a kid is in it just to look cool and make friends who he thinks are cool, well that just degrades the quality of it for everyone else. the scene gets flooded with a bunch of douchebags just looking for someone to hang out with... they could care less about the music or the message. if that's all they want, why hardcore? why don't they start some other sort of random social club, or go to a fucking star trek convention, or something.

hardcore means a lot to me. and if i didn't stand here and flip shit every time someone came close to ruining it... well, then you could ask yourself, how much does it really mean to me, then? if i'll just sit here and let everything i care about fall apart, then what good am i really doing?

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TeRRoR
06-09-2003, 09:55 PM
also, remember there is a difference between metal and hardcore.


EMO = NOT HARDCORE
SCREAMO = NOT HARDCORE
INDIE = NOT HARDCORE
GRIND = NOT METAL
METAL = NOT METAL
WSOU = 90% of the stuff IS NOT METAL
anything you would hear on commercial radio = NOT HARDCORE

a quote i stand by, by a band called "the infiltrators from nyc" is

"GET YOUR METAL OUT OF MY HARDCORE"

people nowadays call so many things hardcore. it is not. you know what hardcore really is? it is hardcore punk. thats what it originally was supposed to be and if you hear any bands that base themselves around that style, it is HARDCORE PUNK... people seem to have forgotten that for some reason.

and yes, NYHC(new york hardcore) was basically created by skinheads. they needed their own outlet, they still liked punk... but they needed their own style. and at the time, punk was pretty slow beat(ramones, stooges, nydolls etc etc etc). they had something aggressive and angry. and with the crowd hardcore attracted came violence aswell. so anyone that cries about fights at shows needs a good cup of "SHUT THE FUCK UP". because it was a scene/movement built on violence and anger... NOT PEACE AND LOVE

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monsterone
06-09-2003, 10:20 PM
people nowadays call so many things hardcore. it is not.

terror, i agree with most of what you said, but how do you define what hardcore is today? if you look at the comp nyc hardcore:
"the way it is," then the progression to biohazard life of agony, into the slayer style progressions, there really is no definitive style. even in nyc.

now add in the styles across the nation and you have a greater hodge podge.

violence in the scene has a secondary product of the music. everyone came out to see a show and release some agression. beef wasn't checked at the door. what went down went down went down on the dance floor and hopefully didn't spill into the streets. that only ruined things for everyone. but things happen.

and that's why i'll argue if your style's aggressive and received by the scene, it's hardcore.

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fluffernutter
06-09-2003, 10:32 PM
you'll get tired of it. you'll "grow out of it" and you'll just drop out. it happens all the time

Plain and simple, they lack HEART! Period! I for one am kind of glad when the kids just get into it for the sake of getting into becasue in due time after the fad has worn out, the true kids (I call everyone from 8 - 80 kids) will still be there with ther hearts bleeding and burning for the music.

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TheMojoPin
06-09-2003, 10:46 PM
Fuck it.

Give me DC hardcore any day.

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TheMojoPin
06-09-2003, 10:58 PM
because it was a scene/movement built on violence and anger... NOT PEACE AND LOVE

Both extremes mentioned here are both completely wrong and totally off the plot.

Nobody gets it anymore.

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TeRRoR
06-09-2003, 11:09 PM
Both extremes mentioned here are both completely wrong and totally off the plot.

Nobody gets it anymore.


what do you mean?

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TeRRoR
06-09-2003, 11:09 PM
double posts suck

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TheMojoPin
06-09-2003, 11:11 PM
what do you mean?

I mean that neither description is accurate in describing the "scene". It's a definite mixture of the two, and true hardcore cannot exist wihtout one or the other. Hardcore WAS bred out of frustration and helplessness and anger...but it was supposed to be a release and something that brought people together and made you feel better when the show/album was over. People kicked the shit out of each other, but everyone was looking out for each other, and it was understood you only hurt people that "wanted" to be hurt and could hurt you back. And even then you weren't looking to cripple someone or knock out teeth or break bones or even knock them out. It's cliche, but "Fight Club" very accurately summed it up...a realease from whatever was getting you down or pissed in your life...but you were sharing this with someone who uderstood this just by being there with you. You were "allowing" each other to physically work out the aggression, but never take it too far. You looked out for each other, and the people around you. You only went at or with it with people who were in the "pit" or the "zone".

The focus wasn't the music or the phsyical contact...it was just that fact that all these people came to the same place to hear the same thing and feel the same way. It was a communal release of everyone's aggression and frustration and sadness. Listen to the music. REAL hardcore works in a cycle and brings all that negativity around in the end to something positive and uplifiting.

Nowadays most "fans" just WANT to be angry all the time and WANT to hurt people and don't give a shit about anything else. Not the music or why they're there. They just feel like shit and want everyone else to. Sure, it's not everyone in the audience, but there's enough of them that they fuck everything up. They think it's their "obligation" to "rip shit up" and knock everyone down. Fuck that. That's not hardcore. That's some bastard, emotionally retarded sentimentality that just spreads one persons anger and rage to someone else. NO GOOD.

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TeRRoR
06-09-2003, 11:21 PM
i agree in ways, but dissagree aswell.

you should know it is REALLY different in the NJ/NYC area compaired to DC.

remember that nj/nyc didnt get along with dc OR boston.

but as i said... hardcore is organized chaos. and there were always a ton of violence at the shows here. do you remember the days when people danced with chains wrapped around their hands and broken bottles? i sure as hell do. If you tell me that that is not a "violent" issue, tell me what is.

and you have to refer to the very first sentance i said in that big entry i made.

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fluffernutter
06-09-2003, 11:31 PM
I mean that neither.......someone else. NO GOOD.

BINGO! Well said. Right out of my mind as well.

Although there was a certain collective of sound that did take punk to the more hardcore level, did that original hardcore evolve into the hardcore spirit so to speak AND was brought across by all (insert style here) core bands?

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TheMojoPin
06-09-2003, 11:34 PM
do you remember the days when people danced with chains wrapped around their hands and broken bottles?

I'm not saying it doesn't happen.

I'm just saying it shouldn't.

Just because it DOES happen doesn't make it right or part of the scene.

An idiot with chains and dancing on broken glass doesn't represent this scene or any scene. They're just an idiot.

And you're right, there always was a rivalry between DC and NYC/NJ. But east coast hardcore spawned out of DC and transplanted to NYC. Hardcore was birthed at the same time in LA and DC. Anything else was secondary. So take you want as to mean what the scene is "really" about. It just wasn't part of the original package.

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grlNIN
06-09-2003, 11:41 PM
you should know it is REALLY different in the NJ/NYC area compaired to DC



Ok I will say it i AM young and havent been around the circuit a long time but i grew up with two older brothers who would sometimes take me to shows and all i can say(speaking for NJ bc i have never witnessed the NY scene firsthand.) I have seen maybe 2 or 3 shows that were violent compared to the 10 or 15 that were nonviolent. I think Mojo is very accurate in his statements as all the bands primarily came together because of all their anger and frustration of their surrounding enviorments and kids witnessed this and bonded on a higher level. I don't think anyone was looking for a legal means of brutalizing someone else as much as they were looking for a way to pour their energy into an outlet, one inwhich so many other people their age seemed to share and respond to the same positive way. That being said i have seen MANY people in pits, or whatever you would like to call them, being knocked to the ground or shoved in an inappropriate manner by someone who was at the show for the wrong reasons and it has not gone unnoticed. Everyone in the pit watches out for everyone else just as much as themselves and when someone is down(being male or female) I have seen a majority of kids stop and help them up. That is the kind of show i like to see, not one inwhich people's anger jades them to the point where the MAIN reason for going isn't clear.

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TeRRoR
06-09-2003, 11:42 PM
ohhh, and i know hardcore started in DC. we do not have to go there. i give my props to dc all the time.

and i will say this... BAD BRAINS INVENTED THE BREAKDOWN. first band to ever do that

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cozmokramer
12-11-2003, 10:27 PM
Alright Im bringing this thread back, cause I was just about to make a similar one. First off let me give you my top five:

1. Shai Hulud
2. Terror
3. Bane
4. Comeback Kid
5. On Broken Wings

I just watched Hellfest 2000, and its unbeliveable. I would love to go up to Syracuse next time. Hardcore is getting really big in the past year around Stafford. We have had Integrity, On Broken Wings, Evergreen Terrace, Remembering Never, Takeover, and a lot more play here.

I dont get why everyone is saying Agnostic Front is hardcore, they seem just punk and maybe a little oi to me. And yes, you can say punk is dead...it is. But hardcore isn't. Hardcore has just transitioned from HARDCORE PUNK to HARDCORE. Now it has more of a thrash and some death metal influence.

Now it's all about being a spineless goon and trying to get girls by acting like a girl. Wha-?!?

Thankyou so much Mojo. I cant stand these fucking half queers that sing emo now. It just sounds like crying. Every single emo song is about your girlfriend now, its bullshit.

Back to hardcore, anyone dance here? I dont know if the terms apply up there but we got shuffling, two-stepping, the floorpunch, and picking up change.

Now, if your just getting into new hardcore...some good record labels are:

Facedown, Eulogy, Bridge Nine, Pluto (has more metal, like the great band HORSE the band), and Trustkill (though they majorly sold out...Throwdown CDs in WalMart!!??!!)


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Freakshow
12-12-2003, 05:29 AM
1. Murphy's Law
2. Shutdown
3. Death Threat
4. Blood for Blood
5. Stout


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JohnnyCash
12-12-2003, 06:55 AM
anybody heard of
Clutch?






I saw Clutch open for Life Of Agony. They were aweful. Both bands were. I dont know why I was at that show in the first place.

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high fly
12-12-2003, 12:37 PM
Sasquach Seven rock harder than any hardcore band I have seen.
Who else squirts the audience with their own blood?

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12-12-2003, 05:14 PM
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Mike Teacher
12-12-2003, 06:03 PM
Never ever ever understood the need for genres in music, besides perhaps making it easier to find in the stores. My Ministry is next to my Mozart, Misfits, Madonna, Metallica, Manfred Mann...

The scene Sold out? they have too, by definition.

Organized Chaos?

Music from the Heart?

Music from the Streets?

Wonderful descriptions. And fit perfectly for most someone like, say, Charlie Parker.

If you dont think there was hardcore music in the 20s, well, there was, I say; just the instruments were a bit different. Same with rock in the 50's, just variations on a theme; Youth, violence, rebellion, drugs, booze, Violence.

Meaning, what's the most Hardcore music at a given time, apart from the naming of an actual hardcore scene, and what it really means, and who is and who isnt and who is kinda-sorta, which from the responses, no one, inclusinding me, can agree on.

Faith No More and Fishbone. What the F were they? I can argue about 5 different genres for each; depending on what song, hell depending on what Section of what song.





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