Is Technology taking away JOBS?

[mdr55]

Sorry to start another post re: technology, but this is a different subject.

I understand the uses and benefits of technology (be it good or bad), but think about it:

You go to the GROCERY store and they have the automated cashier where you do all the stuff yourself.

The advent of EZPAss- less toll collectors.

Metrocard- less token booth operators.

Plus, with the aide of computers and other electronic and mechanical devices that allow a person to do several tasks at once for the less man-power (I know this is not politically correct but sorry), means less need for extra bodies- equals less jobs.

I know there are others out there but I can't think of them right now.

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[FUNKMAN]

no...

the only thing taking jobs away is George Bush and the fucking Republican Party...

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[Death Metal Moe]

Come now Funkman. We all try REALLY hard to keep the politics in the political threads. This is a tech thread. Anyway, all the indicators I've been hearing about lately show the economy is on the rise already. Slowly, but when confidence grows some more, it will speed up.

Anyway...

I'd like to think that technology will only take some jobs that were too tedious or dangerous for us to do, but sure it takes jobs away.

Tell you the truth, I like machines better than snotty assholes in some jobs. Take the self-checkout. AWESOME! I can check out small orders at my own pace, feed the thing cash, get my change and get the fuck out in a few minutes.

But you can't hug a robot.

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[mdr55]

It also seems that everything is automated now.

You make a phone call to city hall, credit card, etc. you need to listen to the message and touch-tone "your phone now, if you..." with your answers if you want something. or you answer your phone and its this computerized voice stating to the effect, "please hold on for important information about your...." What happened to the good old days of satisfaction saying FU to a live operator instead of just hanging up the phone to some automated machine. (Doesn't feel the same).

[FUNKMAN]

it's a two edge sword... technology takes away some jobs but technology research, development, manufacturing, and sales, creates employment...

usually "good paying" jobs...

just not lately, since the new Administration
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This message was edited by FUNKMAN on 6-4-03 @ 12:19 PM

[JerryTaker]

Anyway, all the indicators I've been hearing about lately show the economy is on the rise already.


Really? Because All indicators I've seen say that my small busniess can't afford to operate anymore, and that there arent any jobs out there that will pay on a comperable scale....

Where are your "Indicators", Moe? Is it something someone wrote that you believed, or is it something you experienced firsthand?

And I agree with Funkman. computerizing things creates jobs for those who can maintain them. there will always be low paying jobs for academic underacheivers...

...like the millitary :-)

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[Death Metal Moe]

Where are your "Indicators", Moe? Is it something someone wrote that you believed, or is it something you experienced firsthand?


I hear the news like you do Jerrytaker. Off the TV, radio and in print. I've seen and heard some promising numbers.

But I write this unemployed too. So I know that it's not an instant effect, but this tax cut will create jobs. I believe that, and we'll see what the American people think in 2004.

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[reeshy]

there will always be low paying jobs for academic underacheivers...

...like the millitary


Thanks, Jerrytaker, for putting our military in their place. All they do is safeguard our country and make sure you have the right to post this statement!! That's right- you've got to be an underachiever to do that!!

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This message was edited by reeshy on 6-4-03 @ 5:59 PM

[Bergalad]

And I agree with Funkman. computerizing things creates jobs for those who can maintain them. there will always be low paying jobs for academic underacheivers...

...like the millitary
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Whenever a new technology comes into its on, jobs are lost.

Since the advent of light bulbs, candlemakers have been declining.

Its just the way of the world, you have to keep up with the technology, or be replaced by it.

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[The Jays]

Really? Because All indicators I've seen say that my small busniess can't afford to operate anymore, and that there arent any jobs out there that will pay on a comperable scale....

Where are your "Indicators", Moe? Is it something someone wrote that you believed, or is it something you experienced firsthand?


This is one of my indicators...


Dow Jones industrials top 9,000

Blue-chip index jumps 116, Nasdaq Composite surges 31

By Roland Jones
MSNBC

June 4 - Stocks rallied Wednesday, with the Dow industrials closing above 9,000 for the first time in nearly 10 months, as some positive services-sector data added fuel to investors' long-held hopes that the economy is primed for a recovery.




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Yea, thanks Reeshy. I hadn't noticed that little jab Jerry took at the military.

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[furie]

You go to the GROCERY store and they have the automated cashier where you do all the stuff yourself.

The advent of EZPAss- less toll collectors.

Metrocard- less token booth operators.


It's the workers own fault. If they had agreed to work tirelessly for free, then they wouldn't have lost their jobs.

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[JerryTaker]

OK, ok, one thing at a time. if you have ADD, I apologize. move on to another forum...

":-)" see that? I remember seeing it somewhere else. It was meant to be a snide comment, nothing more...

That said, nearly everyone who slept through my High school had millitary aspirations, and it was thier profession of choice when their favorite subject was "gym"

Now I'm not saying <I>all</I> millitary personel are dumb, not by a long shot, and I never meant to imply that, but dumb people do end up in the millitary, and they can be and probably are a small percentage. I don't know, I never considered it.

I admit I would suck in the millitary, I'd never make it through basic training, and I'd probably hang myself with my shoelaces or slit my wrist with my razor the first chance I got...

The Jays, What companies' stocks went up? if that increase was led by, say, Halliburton and IBM, that only means Bigger companies are getting richer, thier not hiring anyone... they're pocketing that money to buy a politician later...

Moe, I listen to the news on the radio also, but I base my opinions on my own experience, on the reality that slaps me in the face every morning and all day long, not the prepackeged stuff dubed suitable for the airwaves.

I, by the way, type this in a state of unemployment, because my company couldn't afford to pay me anymore, not to mention they owe me a shitload of money, that I don't know if I'll ever see... So, let's just see what my Bachelor of Science degree can do for me... and just what kind of economy we are in huh?

First hand experience, not some pretty numbers...

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1. The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. They have greatly increased the life-expectancy of those of us who live in "advanced" countries, but they have destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling, have subjected human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological suffering (in the Third World to physical suffering as well) and have inflicted severe damage on the natural world. The continued development of technology will worsen the situation. It will certainly subject human beings to greater indignities and inflict greater damage on the natural world, it will probably lead to greater social disruption and psychological suffering, and it may lead to increased physical suffering even in "advanced" countries.

2. The industrial-technological system may survive or it may break down. If it survives, it MAY eventually achieve a low level of physical and psychological suffering, but only after passing through a long and very painful period of adjustment and only at the cost of permanently reducing human beings and many other living organisms to engineered products and mere cogs in the social machine. Furthermore, if the system survives, the consequences will be inevitable: There is no way of reforming or modifying the system so as to prevent it from depriving people of dignity and autonomy.

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for any of you who are going to the Belmont on Saturday or may go to any racetrack, technology has virtually eliminated the need for a teller...there are self-betting machines that accept money and take bets, therefore, there is a need for many less tellers...the only time you may need one is to 'cash out' if you happen to be so lucky




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[mdr55]

Some more examples:

ATMs means less bank tellers

Buglar alarms, vidoe cameraa means less security guards

Getting your degree on-line means less teachers

With the car and motorcycle there are less cops walking the beat

Radios playing pre-recorded programs means less Dejays

Eventually automatic pilot will replace human pilots.

The REVOLUTION against the Robots has begun. The Terminator movies could be an insight into the future if we're not careful.

And don't they have a man vs. machine /computer in chess. With the last contest a standstill? Thank God we still can compete.

[CaptClown]

Anyway, all the indicators I've been hearing about lately show the economy is on the rise already.

Ssssshhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't jinx it !!!! My 401k nearly doubled in the last couple of weeks and I want to ride it out for awhile.

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[DeltaPin]

Technology hasn't taken away jobs, but it has changed the jobs we do. We're changing from manufacturing society to a more service oriented one. We can design something and we can sell it, but we're becoming more reliant on other nations to make it.

Yes, you see less tellers, toll collectors, & cashiers, but more importantly you see less machinists, electricians, & other trades people.

There are more people employed today in the economy than there were 10 years ago, but the jobs they're doing are totally different.

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This message was edited by DeltaPin on 6-7-03 @ 1:39 AM

[high fly]

Is technology taking away JOBS?

No, just dopey "Jobs and Economic Growth" plans by an administration that doesn't know what it is doing.

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[Bergalad]

Hey High Fly, do you only get released on weekends or something? I think you might hold a record now by posting in 20+ threads in half a day. Not that anything you said was insightful or relevant, but good work on "name recognition". Represent, right? Whenever you want to stop with the petty attacks against the President and come up with real facts to back them up or better yet, a solution, you let us know. See you next weekend?

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[high fly]

BTW, here's a real fact: 3.6 million jobs lost since Bush was elected.


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[Bergalad]

BTW, here's a real fact: 3.6 million jobs lost since Bush was elected.
Still got mine though! Yeah!!!!!!

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Still got mine though! Yeah!!!!!!


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