What happened with the soldier who threw the grenade at his own troops

[WRESTLINGFAN]

At the beginning of the war in Iraq, there was a black muslim soldier who threw a grenade in a tent killing 2 and wounding around 15 soldiers.

I havent heard anything about this story since the incident happened.

Kinda makes you think when the #1 rapper is white and the #1 golfer is black

[Bergalad]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,80827,00.html

I guess they are holding him at an army base here in the US waiting for court martial. He's not gonna get out of this.

[TheMojoPin]

So where is he? Or did I miss that part of the article? Last I heard he was still being held in Kuwait, but that was over a month ago...

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[reeshy]

I vaguely remember hearing that he was flown to the US and being held wherever his division is based-that's all I remember!!!

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[FUNKMAN]

just like Hitler in "Little Nicky", he's getting the pineapple in the butt treatment...

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[HBox]

You're probably not gonna hear much about this guy. The military will handle this so the trial won't be public.

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[Heavy]

that arcticle is from:
Thursday, April 17, 2003



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[Bergalad]

I understand it's an old article. You won't hear anything really new about the guy until his trial starts. That's just how the military does it. Once it begins though, it won't be a closed hearing or anything, but it won't by a long shot be the media circus that the Laci Peterson trial is. It will probably be held at Ft Campbell, as that is the unit he was from.

[Heavy]

326 ENG BN....Sappers in!!!

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[reeshy]

the o'l "Dole In The Hole"..


Hey-don't steal Johneee's gig!!!!

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[DarkHippie]

Question for the military people: Would it have been feasible for this guy to request reassignment, since he knew where he was going, knew that he was against the war, but still wanted to serve his country? Surely it would've been a better option than to toss a grenade into an officer's tent.

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[reeshy]

When I was in the service, you could put in a transfer after a certain period of time. This guys unit was going into a war zone, so I doubt that his request would be honored. The best he could of done was get in trouble while still in the States and await an article 15 in the brig.

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[Bergalad]

Question for the military people: Would it have been feasible for this guy to request reassignment, since he knew where he was going, knew that he was against the war, but still wanted to serve his country? Surely it would've been a better option than to toss a grenade into an officer's tent.

He could have done a couple of different things. Let me start by saying, if you don't want to be in the Army and do the missions required of you, then frankly the Army doesn't want you. The job of everyone in the Army, and let's be clear and honest, is to kill. He could have put in for a Chapter and gotten out. He could have said he was a conscientious (I hope I spelled that right; I'm drunk) objector. All sorts of ways for him to have been reassigned. The problem is he is a Non-Commissioned Officer with the Army, and he knew what he was doing. He most likely had to re-enlist to get the time in service to become a Sergeant, so he asked to stay in. There is no excuse for what he did. In the Army, we don't care what your background might be, what color you are, or who you bow down to. Just do your fucking job and look out for your team. This shit failed in both, and happily will pay for what he did with (I hope) his life. He could have gotten out once he heard about who we were fighting, but instead chose to kill his fellow soldiers. He has no honor, and should be thankful he wasn't killed on the spot by the troops who found him. Those soldiers are the ones with honor. I hope he sees that now.

[HBox]

I hope I spelled that right: I'm drunk


Damn, you start early!

In the Army, we don't care what your background might be, what color you are, or who you bow down to. Just do your fucking job and look out for your team

Don't be gay either.

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This message was edited by HBox on 6-7-03 @ 5:05 PM

[Bergalad]

Don't be gay either.

You might be shocked, but gay people do serve, and I know several who do. Just because it's a policy, don't think that we dime them out. If they do their job, then who cares who they fuck?

[Heavy]

*holds hand up*
I do.

Would it have been feasible for this guy to request reassignment

No. Berg I don't know what ype of units youve been in but that shit you were talking sounds krazy man.

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[TheMojoPin]

*holds hand up*
I do.

Seriously?

Or has the "Long Story Thread" finally become reality?

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[Heavy]

Seriously?


yea seriously. Why shouldnt i care when I have to shower with 30 guys at a time? Not the place for fags.

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[CaptClown]

Don't be gay either.

Check that, don't tell anyone.

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[TheMojoPin]

yea seriously. Why shouldnt i care when I have to shower with 30 guys at a time? Not the place for fags.

Even if gay guys were just forcing themselves on straight guys at random, I somehow doubt you'd be the mountable type.

People still think like this?

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What happened with the soldier who threw the grenade at his own troops


Last i heard he dropped the soap... if you catch my drift.


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[Heavy]

Even if gay guys were just forcing themselves on straight guys at random

When did i even suggest they would trying forcing themselves?

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[TheMojoPin]

Just drop it. You think people being gay in the millitary are somehow causing a "problem", even if they're just there to be a soldier, and it's the guy next to them who's stepping out of line because he has an "issue" with the gay guy.

"Don't tell." Voila.

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[Bergalad]

No. Berg I don't know what ype of units youve been in but that shit you were talking sounds krazy man.
There's a difference between guys forcing themselves on you and those doing it outside their jobs. I have been in two infantry units and an armor battalion just so you know. It's not like we encourage it, but it's reality. The military is much more "enlightened" than you might think now days.

[Heavy]

There's a difference between ......

No Berg, when I called you Krazy i meant because of the requestion reasignment stuff, not the gay stuff.

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[Heavy]

Bergalad are for open gay people being allowed in our armed forces, yes or no!?

Or is dont ask, dont tell, dont harrass good enough for you?

or perhaps you want to be allowed to ask the young high school man if hes gay when he walks in your office and then kick him out when he says yes.....WHICH ONE IS IT!!!!????

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[Bergalad]

No Berg, when I called you Krazy i meant because of the requestion reasignment stuff, not the gay stuff.
As far as the Army is concerned, you can put in a DA 4187 at any point you like. I don't know this guy's specific circumstances, and each one is different, but anyone can request one. It's getting it approved that might be difficult. I've seen it done.
Bergalad are for open gay people being allowed in our armed forces, yes or no!?

Or is dont ask, dont tell, dont harrass good enough for you?

or perhaps you want to be allowed to ask the young high school man if hes gay when he walks in your office and then kick him out when he says yes.....WHICH ONE IS IT!!!!????

The current policy is "Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Don't Persue", and it is what we have to live with. I don't ask, you don't tell. I am not for openly gay soldiers. I am not for anyone who brings his or her sexual life (no matter what they bang) into the workplace. Why should I need to know what you do in your bedroom? I don't wear a "Hetero Pride" shirt to work, and neither should a gay person. To me personally, as long as they don't push their lifestyle at work, I don't care what they do at home. But openly gay, no. The military has, by necessity, different rules than society. Some guy like Liberace would impede unit cohesion, and therefore we can't have that. The saying is "We are all Green", and that's the way it should be. It doesn't matter what color you are, who you worship, or what you fuck; just be the professional you have been trained to be. What you do outside of work is your own business, and you should keep it that way.

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[TooCute]

To me personally, as long as they don't push their lifestyle at work,

Does that include not putting up posters of big-titted centerfolds and reading playboy?


But openly gay, no. The military has, by necessity, different rules than society. Some guy like Liberace would impede unit cohesion,

Openly gay = Liberace?

I'm not trying to bust your balls. It just seems like you're trying to post all enlightened and non-homophobic and stuff for the ssake of the army, but maybe the army is really far more homophobic than you're trying to make it out to be. It's okay to be honest.

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[FUNKMAN]

i heard he met a partner in prison, her name is:

Anna Lingus - they say she/he taught him how to toss a nice salad... he tosses and Anna provides the dressing...

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[Bergalad]

Does that include not putting up posters of big-titted centerfolds and reading playboy?
What I am talking about is the Army as a whole, so there will be some elements that go against what I am saying. Not everyone follows instructions, even in the military. As for the posters, we are not allowed to have those at all. The Army has an aggressive Equal Opportunity/Sexual Harassment policy, and every three months we have to attend mandatory briefings on the subject. The Army is now about 27% female, and some fields have almost 40%. I'm not going to bs anyone and say there needs to be improvement, but really, the Army has done a lot in fixing this issue.
I'm not trying to bust your balls. It just seems like you're trying to post all enlightened and non-homophobic and stuff for the ssake of the army, but maybe the army is really far more homophobic than you're trying to make it out to be. It's okay to be honest.

The Army is made up of normal people, just like you and everyone else on this board. Some people aren't bothered by gays, some are gay, and some hate gays. This is true anywhere you go. If you keep your business to yourself in the Army, you won't have any problems. Other people might have different experiences, but this has been mine. I have worked in several different units, some all male, some mixed. There have been people I know who were gay in each one. The Army isn't what Hollywood portrays it to be, and I think everyone would be surprised if they actually saw what it was like in reality.

[FiveB247]

Bergalad...you mean the examples of "Stripes" and "V.I. Warshawski" aren't true testaments of the US Army? haha

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[TooCute]

The Army is made up of normal people, just like you and everyone else on this board. Some people aren't bothered by gays, some are gay, and some hate gays.

I'm sure you're right.

I probably just buy into the sterotype that the army has a larger proportion of the "some hate gays" people than the people in areas where I've lived (that's the coasts) do because every single person I've met that as been in the army (or the navy or any armed forces really) - and that is many - has without exception been a raging homophobe, whether they openly admitted it or realized it or not.

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[Heavy]

As far as the Army is concerned, you can put in a DA 4187 at any point you like

Please, talk about hurry up and wait. If youre lucky enough to deal with a clerk that has half a brain and actually handles it in a timely manner, you still better have a damn good reason to submit. I dont think this guy not wanting to go to war because he disagrees with it is good enough reason. He wouldve been fucked with so much in that unit if he even attempted it and it never wouldve got approved.

I pretty much agree with what you said about no open gays. Its bad enough saying boo can get you in trouble for sexual harrasment but imagine what it would be like if admitted gays were allowed. No doubt it would effect unit cohesion

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[Bergalad]

TooCute, I am not about to get into an argument over this with you. You have your experiences, I have mine. If that's the type of person you have contact with, then I would suggest meeting new people. The facts are that the Army is very concerned with EO, and I have extensive first-hand knowledge of how we treat people. Yes there are homophobes in the military, some very much so. I'd be lying if I said even I didn't harbor some limited homophobia; I think most everyone does. To say that the Army is a bunch of gay-haters is incorrect. If tomorrow Congress instructed the military to allow openly gay personnel, you might be surprised to see that it wouldn't be that big of a deal. We would still go out and do our jobs, just like we do with people of differing religions (like Wicca, which is a recognized religion in the military) and ethnic backgrounds.
I dont think this guy not wanting to go to war because he disagrees with it is good enough reason.
You're right. He volunteered for the Army, and he knew what he was getting into. There's no excuse for reaping the benefits of the military and then refusing to uphold your end of the deal.
I pretty much agree with what you said about no open gays.
Good, then that's settled I hope. The reality is that gays do serve their country in the military. Whether one wants them to or not, it's happening. We can bury our heads in the sand and deny it, or we can move past it and do our jobs. Again, the majority of soldiers believe (in my opinion and experience of course) that, as long as you keep it private, then it's your own business.

[TheMojoPin]

Its bad enough saying boo can get you in trouble for sexual harrasment but imagine what it would be like if admitted gays were allowed.

"Admitted gays" are already in by the thousands. They just haven't admitted it to the millitary. But THEY know they're gay, other people from wherever they're from probably know they're gay, they're still gay no matter what, so regardless of whether you or buddies want them there or even know if they're gay, they're already there, being gay as gay can be. All they have to do is simply say "no" if they feel like it when someone asks whether they are gay or not. Is that really THAT huge a difference? If someone wants to be in the millitary and they're gay, even if there is an official questioning, they can simply say "no." So then it's all moot. Again, are you thinking that there's a huge difference between an "admitted gay" and a guy who just said "no"? He's still gay and in the millitary and serving right next to you. Let's say you're in the field with this guy, no idea he's gay, he saves your life, even takes a bullet and is wounded as he's hauling you back over the line. Afterwards you find out he's gay. Or, better yet, he saves your life without being wounded, so he stays on the line and THEN you find out he's gay. Would the fact he's gay still end up overshadowing the fact he saved your life, or somebody else's life, or accomplished the mission at hand? If so, YOU'RE the one who can't focus on your job as being a soldier, and it's YOUR problem. HE'S just there doing his goddamn job.

Asking questions about someone's sexuality won't change a goddamn thing. If they want in, they just have to lie...boom, bang, simple, done. You can set up as many questions as you want...if a gay man wants in to the millitary, he can get in. You're presenting it as not even an issue of them being there in the first place, but just whether you KNOW they're gay or not, which makes no sense. THEY'RE STILL GAY. What changes if you know they're gay? They're gay either way.

And TooCute IS right, there is still plenty of homphobia in the millitary. There's also scores of racism and sexism, too. Doesn't make them right. And some people CAN deal with it and simply focus on the task at hand. Look at Berg. Or at the Marine post at the embassy in Bangkok. Probably just around 30 Marines stationed there, and I know at least two of them were openly gay. I'd play basketball with the Marines each Saturday, and those two would still show up, and they played, and nobody seemed to have a problem. The other Marines, whether they liked it or not, bit the bullet and focused on their task at hand. They were all stuck on the same post, and they all had a job to do. That's what mattered. You don't really get a choice of who you serve with in the millitary. You let guys start whining about who they get to serve with, and they get their way, what's a bigger sign of pussification than THAT? "I don't like him...he's crosseyed! I don't like where he's from! He smells weird! WAAAAAAAH!!! Take him awaaaaaaay!!!" Pussies.

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[TooCute]

like if admitted gays were allowed

We might have to stop letting in admitted homophobes?

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[Heavy]

Listen an open gay man would be a distraction. Thats the point. Like I said, I agree with what Berg said but I cant sit here an argue with people that never did the job day in day out and expect them to understand.

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[TheMojoPin]

Listen an open gay man would be a distraction.

Only to secretly gay people in denial.

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[HBox]

Listen an open gay man would be a distraction. Thats the point. Like I said, I agree with what Berg said but I cant sit here an argue with people that never did the job day in day out and expect them to understand.


I know what you're saying. I work with an openly gay man. All day I have to hear him screaming "HEY! I'M GAY!!!!", "I NEED SOME COCK IN MY MOUTH!!!!!!" and "WHO'S UP FOR SOME GAY SEX!!!!!" It's so damn distracting.

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[Heavy]

Like I said, I'm not going to try to convince you people of anything. Just sit there and be wrong all day for all i care.

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[TooCute]

There is a difference between openly gay and flamingly militantly gay people. I can't stand anyone who shoves their agenda in your face and defines themself by a single aspect of their personality, whether it be gays, vegetarians, feminists, or whatever.

If that's the type of person you have contact with, then I would suggest meeting new people.

Yes, but you said it yourself:

I'd be lying if I said even I didn't harbor some limited homophobia: I think most everyone does.

Every single person I've met who has been in the armed forces has been homophobic, but then, I don't know any that have actually served within that past 5-10 years, so I'm sure a lot has changed.

One of them, an ex Navy SEAL, to the extent that he was actually upset and ranted about the fact that the man that he had sold his motorcycle to had put a rainbow sticker on it. Another (who was my boss) was an army ranger, and he was a misogynist to boot. He said "Gays? That's just not right. You don't think there's something wrong with them?" to me during work. Eventually I complained about him enough that I didn't have to work with him anymore. And so on.

To say that the Army is a bunch of gay-haters is incorrect. I haven't said that, and neither has anyone else. I said they were homophobic. Afraid of them. Some to the point that they hate them. Same as any place you go.

If tomorrow Congress instructed the military to allow openly gay personnel, you might be surprised to see that it wouldn't be that big of a deal. We would still go out and do our jobs, just like we do with people of differing religions (like Wicca, which is a recognized religion in the military) and ethnic backgrounds.
I doubt anyone would be surprised, I agree. But the fact that the military recognizes it doesn't necessarily mean it's not a big deal. I mean, the military allows women in, right? Then why do we periodically hear about these "scandals" where female recruits are raped and it is covered up? By no means am I saying that gays have to hide when they're in the military; I'm just not convinced that just because the army says that it's not homophobic, it isn't.

To sum up, my final thought on the matter: I think essentially the fact that a "Don't ask don't tell" policy even has to exist is indicative of a certain level of homophobia.


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[TheMojoPin]

Just sit there and be wrong all day for all i care.

Seems to be working out just fine for for you, Tony Curtis.

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[DarkHippie]

the guy has a preliminary hearing today before his official courtmartial hearing. I believe today's hearing is to see whether the court martial hearing will be public or confidential, but I'm not sure--I heard it on the radio and I was half asleep.

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[Bergalad]

Here's the article about the Hearing (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&ncid=514&e=5&u=/ap/20030616/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/101st_attacked)

[Heavy]

I bet anyone this guys gay.

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