Al Qaida

[FiveB247]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030610/ap_on_re_us/un_us_terrorism_6

This is just sad.

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[reeshy]

This is just sad.


Why does this surprise you? These terrorists are sworn to wage war against us and those allied with us. We are at war with these people. It is their job to attack us. Did you expect them to lie down and die after we invaded Iraq? They are only doing what any rabid organization would do. Did you actually expect the world to break out into spontaneous peace after we bombed Saddam and his cronies?

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[FiveB247]

Well after we blew up Afganistan and "removed the threat of al Qaida" (said by Colin Powell), then blew up Iraq in hopes to remove WMD from a threat as well as a person who could potentially aid terrorists. Gee, so much has changed since 9-11. right? Bin Laden is still on the loose. Who exactly is buying this war on terrorism still? It will be 3 years this coming September since the initial wake up call to our nation. And you don't find it alarming that the same group that successfully created such destruction to our nation is still able to and has 'high possibility' of attempting a WMD attack on the US? Maybe you feel safer by the color coded terror level, but back in reality, there are no such illusions of lowering such threats. What's sad is when and if such actions will be carried out against our nation...I'm sure our terror level will be on a low level.

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[Furtherman]

And tell 'em what else they've won! A whole new generation of young Iraqians who hate the U.S. No one saw that coming, eh? Just like Halliburton was surprised in getting the cleanup contract.






Enough with the sigpics.

[reeshy]

Maybe you feel safer by the color coded terror level, but back in reality, there are no such illusions of lowering such threats.


If you feel better throwing around veiled insults, go right ahead. I never mentioned color codes and if you think that by us hunting down a few individuals is going to stop terrorism, then maybe you should rethink your position. The government is Not going to tell us everything that is going on. There is such a thing as security. Never tell your enemy how much you really do know. There is alot of disinformation being bandied about by both sides. That's one of the weapons of warfare. There are probably hundreds of thousands of potential terrorists lurking about the world with nothing but the idea of destroying our nation and those that stand with us. The motivations of these various groups are varied but their potential results are the same- to destroy the "Satan" of Imperialism and Atheism (according to the other side).
Face it, this conflict will not end in the next week, month or year. It may still be going on after my demise. But one thing I do know- We cannot just sit back and hope they go away- they won't and that means one thing-We have to make them go away.
Have a nice day!!!

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[high fly]

By rushing into Iraq, apparently with an incomplete plan, the Bush administration sure made it easier for the terrorists to acquire nuke material for a dirty bomb.
Apparently they had no plans to guard facilities that they knew going in had such material. Somehow no one seemed to have figured that it may be a bad idea to make it easier for the terrorists to get their hands on this stuff.
Of course I refer to the plant at Tuwaitha [sp?] that we left unguarded for 2 weeks while it was being looted daily.

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[TheMojoPin]

But...but...Bush said we had them "on the run"...

*Sniff!*

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[high fly]

Bush said to let them have all the yellow cake they want, not knowing that......

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[furie]

Five, are you really surprised that Al Qaida is still in operation, or are you simply taking another tired shot at Bush? Did you think we could dismantle an international terrorist organization in less than two years? It's going to take years to do it. It's been said since day one that this is going to be a long haul. I find it hard to believe that you are astonished that Al Qaida's still in operation. Isreal's been trying to dismantle Hamas and PLO for decades, with no luck, why do you think we'd do it in 20 months?

This is Al Qaida we're dealing with, not Cobra. And while we're on the subject, who you you think would win in a fight, Al Qaida or Cobra?

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[mdr55]

Ummm....what's Al Qaida?

[FiveB247]

Five, are you really surprised that Al Qaida is still in operation, or are you simply taking another tired shot at Bush? Did you think we could dismantle an international terrorist organization in less than two years? It's going to take years to do it. It's been said since day one that this is going to be a long haul. I find it hard to believe that you are astonished that Al Qaida's still in operation. Isreal's been trying to dismantle Hamas and PLO for decades, with no luck, why do you think we'd do it in 20 months?

Don't attempt to plead ignorance or dumb. There are hundreds of groups similar to al Quada. Al Quada is one of the few that in recent years targets and conducts operations worldwide. Bush targeted Afghanistan to remove such threats and to dismantle their core and hierarchy of order. The US clearly came out and said al Quada was dismantled and unable to perform or be capable of such future actions. The war on terrorism is what they referred to as being a long battle for years to come. They are not one in the same. In reference to Hamas, PLO and similar local based operations, they are not the same type organization in structure, operation or even agenda. Hamas has an army and leadership compared to al Quada which operates the via cell method.

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[furie]

Don't attempt to plead ignorance or dumb. There are hundreds of groups similar to al Quada. Al Quada is one of the few that in recent years targets and conducts operations worldwide. Bush targeted Afghanistan to remove such threats and to dismantle their core and hierarchy of order. The US clearly came out and said al Quada was dismantled and unable to perform or be capable of such future actions. The war on terrorism is what they referred to as being a long battle for years to come. They are not one in the same. In reference to Hamas, PLO and similar local based operations, they are not the same type organization in structure, operation or even agenda. Hamas has an army and leadership compared to al Quada which operates the via cell method.

I am not pleading ignorance. Al Quada is not an actual terrorist organization. nor is it an umbrella for other groups. It's a network that binds the separate groups like hamas and hesbolla(sp), Islamic jihad, etc. that makes them even more slippery and hard to destroy because they're hard to define.

No one ever said they were dismantled, only that we had "severely hindered their ability to carry out acts of terrorism in the US and against US interests abroad." That's quoted from a memo put out in December 2001, and it was true at the time. They've rebuilt and reorganized since then.

To destroy Al Quada, you'd have to dismantle every organization that's part of it. That's the war on terror. No one claimed it was over. We took an early lead.




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[FiveB247]

I not quite sure where you got your definition or guidelines of what Al Quada is or isn't...but here you go. You have some items correct and some incorrect in your description and understanding of them. (http://www.terrorismanswers.org/groups/alqaeda.html)

And for the record, Bush, Powell and others have proclaimed this organization was no longer capable of such attacks. But who really expects them to be men of their word...right?

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[furie]

ok, so what exactly did i say that was incorrect? I got my information from DHS.


Yes Bush and others said Al Queda was no longer capable of carring out large attacks, as i quoted above. But that's not the same as dismantled. do you see the difference? And since they have yet to be dismantled, they've been very busy at rebuilding themselves. Again as i said above, no one's said that Al Queda's finished recently. all that talk is many months old. this is a dynamic situation, things change quickly.


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[FiveB247]

Al Quada is not an actual terrorist organization. nor is it an umbrella for other groups. It's a network that binds the separate groups like hamas and hesbolla(sp), Islamic jihad, etc. that makes them even more slippery and hard to destroy because they're hard to define.

It's not an actual terrorist organization? Yes it does have some networks with foreign groups....but overall and in its existence, it has its own set of operatives, cells, leadership and such. Their new strategies do include the use and ties to more local based organizations...but that is a new strategy they have used and is far from actually saying they are simply a network that uses local binded organizations and groups to carry out such actions. If that were the case, the US would be targeting Hamas, Hezbollah amongst others....and they are not.

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[Bergalad]

Al Qaida or Cobra?

Cobra Commander rocked! I say Cobra.

Oh, and Furie, didn't you get the memo?

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[reeshy]

And for the record, Bush, Powell and others have proclaimed this organization was no longer capable of such attacks. But who really expects them to be men of their word...right?


Did you actually expect Bush, Powell and others to say that this organization is still strong and intact-if it trully is? Disinformation is the name of the game. What better way to spread what you want to be disseminated than to use the media. I have stated this in another thread that disinformation is another weapon of war. Now, I'm not saying with any certitude that this is the case but I had been involved in the intelligence business in my past career. This is a great way to get your opponent to make a move in the direction that you want him to take.
So before we start throwing stones at others, just be aware that we are not privy to all that is going on. There are things that we, the public, will never be aware of and sometimes that's the best way!

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[FiveB247]

So basically your hopes lie in the fact that these people who throw 'disinformation' out there for their own benefit....are somehow accomplishing things with this type of bs?

Of course everything the government knows isn't widely spread in the media....but at the same time...that's a far cry from playing both sides of the fence (which what many people do). You can't readily justify them saying an organization is incapable of such actions and then have them say the complete opposite without asking such questions. If you allow for such double talk and accept it...they aren't fooling you....you're just kidding yourself.

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[reeshy]

Excuse me Fiveb,
Maybe if read my ENTIRE post instead of a sentence or word here and there, You would have understood (maybe) what I wrote. I wasn't defending anyone here- I was just proposing an alternative viewpoint. I know you have an agenda to support but I'm the wrong person, in this circumstance, to be berating.

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[NewYorkDragons80]

"But...but...Bush said we had them "on the run"..."

I wish I remembered the source for this, but there was a recent tapped conversation between members of Al Qaeda were an operative was begging for money. I believe the amount was somewhere in the 4-figures range. The other side of the conversation denied the request, citing insufficient funds.

I think Al Qaeda is on the run. It doesn't mean we should have ticker-tape parades anytime soon, but we have severely hampered their abilities. The war is far from over, but I really think we are winning.

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[high fly]

Yeah, Bush "smoked-em out".
They tried to "crawfish" but he "smoked-em out".
Then Bush went back to Crawford to cut more brush on his ranch.

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