View Full Version : Should the drinking age be lowered back to 18?
WRESTLINGFAN
06-14-2003, 02:47 PM
After spending months in the middle east, many of our military are still only 19 or 20 years old. For alot of them when they get back, they would love to bang a big boobed woman and have a cold beer, but they arent old enough to enjoy a cold one legally.
If they are mature enough to face danger and death in war, they should be old enough to drink alcohol. Id like to hear some opinions on this issue
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FUNKMAN
06-14-2003, 02:56 PM
it's a tough call... people who haven't reached 21 yet are still gonna find ways to get alcohol...
i think you have to look at it this way:
there is a chance that SOME people will "mature" more than others between the ages of 18 and 21 and they will be a more "responsibled" person/drinker at age 21... others will continue to drink "irresponsibly" regardless of age...
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06-14-2003, 03:01 PM
the drinking age should be abolished because it accomplishes nothing positive. it should be up to the the alcahol-vender to decide who to sell alcahol
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dcpete
06-14-2003, 03:10 PM
Yes i believe that the drinking age is a horrible law, i don't think there sould even be a law but if there is it should be alot lower. anyway i wrote a short paper on this which i'll share if it's not to long.
Every single second time creeps along, slowly at most of the time yet much quicker at others. A few of these seconds are selected to be a universal time when people make great gains in maturity. The most prominent example of this is 12:00AM on your 21st birthday. At this exact moment in time you are declared mature enough to drink responsibly.who are they trying to kid, a second has never made much of a difference in a person. If a person isn't responsible enough to drink the day before he or she turns 21 there will be no difference the next day.
Selecting an arbitrary date is an extremely unscientific way to give someone a right that you stripped from him or her earlier. However it is the system that we decided to put into place and you have to learn to live with it. The government does the same thing with driving, voting, the legality of personal contacts/contracts, and the right to go and die for your country in battle. All of these rights are given to you by the time you reach 18 years of age, 3 full years before the right to drink.
A twisted morality is responsible for such an outlandishly unfair law. What kind of country are we part of when you can be forced into military service, which is against many people's moral and religious values. However at the same time they restrict your ability to enjoy yourself at home by partaking in an activity that many people don't find offensive or immoral in any way. However the government says that the drinking law is in place to preserve the morality of the youth, and yet they feel no moral obligation to spare people the mental anguish of having to kill someone. Our government was not created to enforce an unpopular morality on the people while restricting the rights of its citizens. However the rights have been gradually stripped from people until we get the system we have in place today, a system of binge drinking and alcohol poisoning.
It's a fact that most people do not adhere to the alcohol laws and start drinking before they turn 21. However because of how hard it is to acquire beer and liquor before you are 21 many people turn to binging. This is because when you get some alcohol from a hookup, people feel that they have to drink as much as they can because they don't know when they'll be able to get some again. This applies even if the place they are getting the alcohol from stays constant, because there is always a little bit of doubt in the back of their minds. When people drink this much, they occasionally get alcohol poisoning which is debilitating and in many cases extremely deadly. Not only are binge deaths occurring more frequently due to the 21 year old drinking law, but also there has been new danger emerging recently that stems entirely from the law.
The new trend of 21 shots on your 21st birthday is causing multiple deaths a year. The entire reason that people do this is to celebrate their first legal drink so if there weren't a drinking age this wouldn't be common at all. Ironically the people who have been drinking longer have a greater chance to live through the shots than people who haven't developed a tolerance yet. So a majority of the people who die due to this darker side of the drinking law are the people who actually followed it.
Does one second really make that much of a difference, can there be a universal date for maturity, must today's youth be restricted by a law that is based on an archaic morality, how can a law still exist after it causes hundreds, if not thousands, of unnecessary deaths per year. These are the questions that the government has decided to ignore as they strive to keep the status quo. If they don't do something soon, it is entirely to possible that the negative repercussions will increase and eventually this will become a plague on society.
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WRESTLINGFAN
06-14-2003, 03:15 PM
damn that was good. much better stated than any fat cat politician could think of
You'll never sell it to the soccer moms, so it'll never be raised. Again, people, DEMOCRACY DOESN'T WORK!
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Bergalad
06-14-2003, 03:58 PM
DEMOCRACY DOESN'T WORK!
Good thing we don't live in one then.
dcpete
06-14-2003, 04:07 PM
Good thing we don't live in one then.
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Def Dave in SC
06-14-2003, 07:32 PM
Fisrt off, give pete a round of applause. He doesnt post too often anymore, but when he does, he makes it count.
Secondly,
Selecting an arbitrary date is an extremely unscientific way to give someone a right that you stripped from him or her earlier
I basicallly agree with what your are saying, but i dont think it is anyones right to drink. I know wine was in the Bible and Jesus probably drank it, but being able to drink alcohol is not guaranteed to you simply because your a human.
Dont get me wrong, I'm not 17 and i drink. I think the law is rediculous and should be lowered to 18. When you turn 18, you are legally an adult, yet you still cant drink.
Hell, at 18 you can be sent to a federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison but you cant buy a budweiser. You can be sentenced to death at 18 but you cant have a beer in your final meal.
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DC Reed
06-14-2003, 09:19 PM
You know whats great. In germany, the drinking age is i believe 15. And there are less drunk driving incidents there than in the good ol US of A.
Basically, if you lower the age, then drinking is less appealing to kids. Cause whats fun about drinking when your 16? You doing it 5 years early and you could get caught, but your young and your breaking the law. So lower it, and suddenly those kids will sit there and go, hey this isnt cool, im pissing all over myself, and its not even like im doing it illegally....
Lower the drinking age 18, if i legally kill, i should be able to legally drink.
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TheMojoPin
06-14-2003, 10:48 PM
I can see what Reed is saying.
I moved to Bangkok when I was 15, and was basically able to do any drug and drink I wanted. By the time I went to college 3-4 years later, I was in a completely different mindset. I essentially had "gotten it out of my system", and I couldn't understand why people were so desperate to be getting hammered every chance they could over the shittiest alcohol possible...because that's what I was doing when I was 16. GET IT OUT OF THE WAY!
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NewYorkDragons80
06-15-2003, 05:10 AM
I'm 18 and I would love the drinking age to be lowered, but it's not going to happen. It prevents far too many incidents of drunk driving.
I think that German statistic is not applicable to the US. Europeans tend not to drive as much as Americans. Do you know what the age is for getting a license in Germany.
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Tall_James
06-15-2003, 05:38 AM
it should be up to the the alcahol-vender to decide who to sell alcahol
Here's a good rule of thumb...if you can't spell it, you shouldn't be allowed to drink it.
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DC Reed
06-15-2003, 05:40 AM
[quote]Here's a good rule of thumb...if you can't spell it, you shouldn't be allowed to drink it[quote]
Oh Tall James, just when this thread was getting to serious, BAM! you come along and knock em dea.
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NewYorkDragons80
06-15-2003, 08:12 AM
Mojo, I always thought Thailand was very strict on drugs.
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TheMojoPin
06-15-2003, 09:33 AM
Common misconception, NYD.
Thailand IS very hard on narcotics...if you're caught carrying the stuff into or out of the country. That's where their focus is and where they are harshest. They've essentially accepted the fact that stuff is gonna be out there and around the country, so they've thrown most of their efforts and resources into keeping the stuff in or out. Not that that always works, but basically if you're buying or using drugs IN country, at the most you'll just have to pay a fine or a bribe and they'll leave you alone. If you're SELLING excessive amounts, especially heavier drugs, yeah, you might wanna watch out, because you do NOT want to end up in their jails on significant drug charges.
Basically they don't want to waste their time cracking down on "minor" users/sellers and focus mostly on the "big fish". I would buy bricks of the finest, in-country marijuana in the world for like $30-$50 from the noodle vendor in the soi behind my house, and usually he'd be hanging out with a cop and I'd just have to pass him like about 500 baht (approx. $20 at the time) just as a "professional courtesy".
Weird, weird envrionment. Sometimes the cops would plant small amounts of drugs on drunk toursits making an ass of themselves...just so they could score a quick bribe. Rarely were they ever looking to make an actual bust...
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DarkHippie
06-15-2003, 05:32 PM
The drinking age was 18 not so long ago. The law was changed for safety reasons--too many drunk-ass teenagers driving and crashing on the road. You think drunk driving is a problem now, go back 30 years, only put them in SUVs and you'll have the clusterfuck that a lowered drinking age will cause
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McNabbShouldDie
06-15-2003, 05:47 PM
There's no point in lowering the drinking age. 12 year old kids, KIDS, are getting drunk and getting a hold of alchohol with ease. Teens are going to drink no matter what the legal drinking age is so whats the point in wasting the time to pass bills and crap to lower the drinking age?
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TheMojoPin
06-15-2003, 06:48 PM
There's no point in lowering the drinking age. 12 year old kids, KIDS, are getting drunk and getting a hold of alchohol with ease. Teens are going to drink no matter what the legal drinking age is so whats the point in wasting the time to pass bills and crap to lower the drinking age?
See, I think it would lead to the opposite of what Hippie talked about. Most you think back to when you were underage and drinking...how you drank SO much SO quickly because it was "illegal" and you didn't want to get caught...so you're more likely to be bombed quicker and to a higher degree...right?
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06-16-2003, 06:50 AM
Any recommendations on where to get the best underage hookers in Thailand, Mojo?
BTW, I agree with DarkHippie (a true sign of the apocalypse, to call back to another thread in the folder) in his reasonings for why the drinking age should not or will not be lowered to 18.
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TheMojoPin
06-16-2003, 07:00 AM
Any recommendations on where to get the best underage hookers in Thailand, Mojo?
A better question would be where to NOT find them.
Along those lines, many a slow weekend would be alleviated when a group of kids from my school or the Marines from the local post would decide to kick the mighty shit out of some fat, awful European tourist trying to "pick up" an underage little boy selling street wares. Good times, goooooooood times...
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06-17-2003, 11:05 AM
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LilLibra
06-18-2003, 10:20 AM
Kids as young as twelve are drinking anyway so what would lowering the drinking age do?
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McNabbShouldDie
06-18-2003, 12:09 PM
Kids as young as twelve are drinking anyway so what would lowering the drinking age do?
Hey, thats exactly what I said, but 3 days ago. Copycat.
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