Is this "Roe" vs "Roe" now?

[Bergalad]

"Roe" trying to overturn own ruling (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,89663,00.html)

I guess many are dismissing this attempt as doomed to failure, but apparently there are some precedents she could use. I never knew this:
McCorvey, who was 21 when the case was filed and was on her third pregnancy, never had an abortion and gave birth to a girl, who was given up for adoption.
All that and she had the kid anyway. I also don't get this:
"I'm not anti-abortion, I'm pro-life," she said.
That doesn't even make sense.

[A.J.]

After arguing the pro-choice side of the abortion debate for years, McCorvey in 1995 converted to Roman Catholicism and is now 100 percent pro-life.

Looks like the Catholic guilt has sunk in quite nicely.

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I hope the people see her of the old kook she is.

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[satan-2]

damn what a nut job. i wonder when she all of a sudden "found god."

god is an absentee LANDLORD!!!

later

[Se7en]

I find the irony of this delicious.

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This message was edited by JustJon on 6-17-03 @ 6:31 PM

[silera]

All that and she had the kid anyway.


I think by the time the case went to the Supreme court, she had no other choice really.

I find it ironic that they are citing mental anguish suffered by women that have had abortions as cause for outlawing them again. I don't know anything more stressful than having or raising children. I don't think that the act of giving birth and placing a child for adoption or into the hands of the government to "raise" would be any less stressful than choosing to terminate a pregnancy.


The pro-life argument is always a flawed and weak and self defeating one, lacking logic.

I hope this story disappears into obscurity.


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[TheMojoPin]

"I long for the day that justice will be done and the guilt from all of these deaths will be removed from my shoulders," McCorvey said in a statement announcing the intent of the motion.


There's no such thing as magic, you fucking daft old cunt.

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[phixion]

god is an absentee LANDLORD!!!


thats best interpretation of god that i have ever heard.

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Sweaty News Update:

NARAL & NOW Launch 'Happy Fetus' Animated Ads
(2003-06-17) -- The National Abortion Rights Action League and the National Organization for Women announced today they will fight Norma McCorvey's efforts to overturn the U.S. Supreme Court decision which made her the central figure in the abortion debate.

Mrs. McCorvey, the 'Jane Roe' of Roe v. Wade, has filed a motion in Federal District Court in Dallas, asking the courts to overturn the decision to legalize abortion. Her case is based on new evidence of the negative effects of abortion on women.

NARAL and NOW say they will strike back with a multi-million dollar national TV ad blitz featuring an animated character called "Happy Fetus."

In the ads, Happy Fetus, who resembles a brine shrimp, is "not very happy." He's stuck in a "dark, cramped and lonely womb." He wishes someone would pull him out right away because he doesn't want to be born and "have to grow up in a world where a woman's right to an abortion is threatened by right-wing extremists."

At the end of the commercial, the narrator says, "Making abortion illegal again would be a life sentence to hundreds of thousands of fetuses, who would otherwise have avoided having to live on this miserable planet. It's too late for you and me. We're already stuck here. But you can help make Happy Fetus happy again. Keep abortion legal."


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Delicious.

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[angrymissy]

She's been involved in the prolife movement for a while now after finding god or whatever.

I think it's a publicity stunt, and it won't have any impact on Roe vs. Wade.

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This message was edited by angrymissy on 6-18-03 @ 2:43 PM

[satan-2]

thats best interpretation of god that i have ever heard.

thanks phixion.

She's been involved in the prolife movement for a while now after finding god or whatever.


do u think it's possible that she has been brain washed somehow by people who are pro-life??

god is an absentee LANDLORD!!!

later

[angrymissy]

Apparently she got recruited by "Operation Rescue" a fanatical pro-life association, when they moved next door to a clinic she was working at.

In an interview, she also blamed violence at abortion clinics on the pro-choicers.

"I personally think it's the pro-abortion people who are doing this to collect on their insurance, so they can go out and build bigger and better killing centers"

riiiiight.

She also wrote a book in 1994, that was her "life story" where she totally backed up her support of abortion rights. Then 4 years later, she wrote another book (sold on her <a href="http://www.roenomore.org/">website</a> and in Christian bookstores) where she contradicted everything she had said in the first book.

She was bapitzed by an evangelical preacher in a swimming pool, and of course, they taped the whole thing and sent out copies of it to the local news stations for broadcast.

She's also been a featured speaker at conventions held by the Jubilee Newspaper, which to sum it up briefly, preaches that that only white "Aryans" are the true "Israel,", only they are eligible for salvation in the Christian sense of the word, and that Jews are of Satan. They're also associated with white power groups. Lovely.

This woman doesn't seem to have much credibility, and it seems like she's really just being used as a pawn in the pro-life movement to gain publicity.

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[Bergalad]

do u think it's possible that she has been brain washed somehow by people who are pro-life??
Yup that's probably it. Who the fuck does she think she is?! Who allowed a woman to form her own opinion?!

[TheMojoPin]

Yup that's probably it. Who the fuck does she think she is?! Who allowed a woman to form her own opinion?!


Awwwww, and right after Missy's post, too. SO SOLLY, CHARLIE!

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[NewYorkDragons80]

""I'm not anti-abortion, I'm pro-life," she said."

Being "anti" something has a negative connotation to it. Just as someone who is pro-choice does not like being called "pro-abortion".

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[angrymissy]

Anti-choice is applicable in her case. She wants abortion BANNED. She does not believe in giving women the choice to abort. Therefore, she is anti-choice.

Now, when you call someone who is pro-choice, pro-abortion, that's different. It's different because someone who is pro-choice is not nessecarily pro-abortion. I know plenty of people who support a woman's right to have an abortion, but wouldn't have one themselves. I am not pro-abortion. I don't think abortion is an excellent thing and everyone should go out and get one. I think that women should be allowed to CHOOSE abortion if they deem it nessecary.

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[Bergalad]

Awwwww, and right after Missy's post, too. SO SOLLY, CHARLIE!
She very well could be a near-militant pro-lifer, very true. Still doesn't mean she was "brainwashed", and to say that reprogramming by religion would be the only way this woman could support something is ridiculous. Both sides of this debate bombard supporters and fence-sitters with biased facts and lies, but that doesn't mean it's brainwashing.
This woman doesn't seem to have much credibility, and it seems like she's really just being used as a pawn in the pro-life movement to gain publicity.
Hmm yes...and of course she was never used as a pawn by the other side of this debate, right? Seems she had enough credibility for you then when she agreed with your beliefs...

This message was edited by Bergalad on 6-18-03 @ 4:42 PM

[TheMojoPin]

Hmm yes...and of course she was never used as a pawn by the other side of this debate, right? Seems she had enough credibility for you then when she agreed with your beliefs...

Nah.

I fee this is a much larger issue that pretty much encompasses an entire gender and doesn't require the support of a mascot.

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[angrymissy]

She very well could be a near-militant pro-lifer, very true.

She definitely is. "Operation Rescue", the group she is now affiliated with, is a fanatical organization that sends hundreds of people to clinics around the country with the sole purpose of shaming women as they walk into the clinic, under the guise of "sidewalk counselling". They have become violent, and also regularly will block cars trying to enter the clinics. They also go to gay pride parades to preach and tell homosexuals how they're "sinning" and "going to hell". It's absolutely disgusting, IMO.

Take a look at their <a href="http://www.operationsaveamerica.org/index.html"> website </a>

Still doesn't mean she was "brainwashed", and to say that reprogramming by religion would be the only way this woman could support something is ridiculous.

I didn't say she was brainwashed, however, it does happen. I had a close friend who was brainwashed by a "church" and it took months to get her out of it.

Both sides of this debate bombard supporters and fence-sitters with biased facts and lies, but that doesn't mean it's brainwashing.

Which side do you think poses more inaccurate and misleading information?

The extreme pro-life side spouts a lot of bs. For example, breast cancer/abortion link, gestation age/size, doctored photos, misrepresented medical information, I could go on and on and present you with 50 links to pro-life sites with blatantly inaccurate information, but I just ran a quick search and couldn't find a pro-choice one.

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This message was edited by angrymissy on 6-18-03 @ 5:04 PM

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Does anyone else think that she's just bitter that nobody want to bang her anymore?

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[Bergalad]

Which side do you think poses more inaccurate and misleading information?
I think both sides are idiots. Neither side has accurate or truly factual information, because NO ONE will ever know or agree on when a fetus is a life. I guess I should have expected this thread to turn into a religion-bashing, pro-whatever diatribe. I just thought it was funny that she had switched sides, same as if Billy Graham became a Satanist.

[NewYorkDragons80]

I know plenty of people who support a woman's right to have an abortion, but wouldn't have one themselves.
People tell us: "I'm personally opposed to abortion, but I think it should be legal."
Perhaps the notable version of that comes from Roman Catholics abortion choicers: They insist they believe "what Catholics believe" on abortion, but don't want to force their beliefs on others.

The usual pro-life response is to argue the substance of abortion: Are the preborn human beings with the right not to be killed? If so, should the government defend their rights along with everyone else's?

Such a response can sometimes produce a profitable discussion, but it misses another point: What do people mean when they say they're "personally opposed" but claim there is a "right" to abortion that must be protected by law?

Many pro-lifers will immediately answer that such people aren't really opposed to abortion. That may well be true. But what if we accepted their words just as they gave them?

In fact, people paint themselves into a corner by saying they agree with what "Catholics" believe. The Church teaches that the preborn are persons, they have rights. If we take the words of such "personally opposed" people at face value, then, they are saying something quite different from merely disagreeing with that Church position. What their words have said is that they believe the fetus is a person with rights, and they believe it should be legal for the mother to have that person killed just because she chooses to.

Regardless of whether you're pro-life or abortion-choice, let's assume you're going to have abortion-choice government officials. Which kind would you rather have: ones who think that the preborn are not persons with rights, or ones who think they are?

Even abortion choicers should find the latter kind scary. If an abortion-choice Governor thinks the preborn are persons with rights yet it's OK to kill them, a question comes to mind: Who's next?

Now this might be unfair to "personally opposed" Catholics. They may mean they believe what "many" Catholics believe on abortion -- namely, that the Church is wrong when it says the preborn are persons with rights. Or they may mean something like others who say they are "personally opposed" to abortion: that even if they disagree with the Church on the status of the fetus, they nonetheless find abortion emotionally troublesome, for instance, or believe it to be immoral because people should take precautions against pregnancy.

They might mean that the fetus is simply a part of the mother, little different from her appendix, or that the preborn are in an odd netherworld between "person" and "mere animal." They may mean all sorts of things that fall short of affirming the rights and personhood of those whose killing they think should be legal.

In politics, unfortunately, people are not notorious for saying what they mean. The formula of "personally opposed" -- whether in its Christian or its secular form -- has become a mantra. One says it with a certain piety, one expresses a certain regret, and no one asks what one actually means.

At its best, the formula is a copout -- one doesn't wish to discuss what one really means; one may not know; or one may not wish to say that one's only guides are random emotions and whatever the political market will bear.

But stated in its Catholic form -- apparently conceding personhood and rights -- the "personally opposed" mantra is far worse than a copout. Taken on its face, it is a threat to everyone, pro-life, abortion-choice, undecided, and practically any variations thereof. It is to say that this innocent person may be killed simply because another person wants to. Period. The "personally opposed" may find such a homicide to be immoral, silly, creepy, or whatever, but it is held to be that other person's "right." All others must not question that "right" and must work to support it.

What are the chances of people asking "personally opposed" politicians what they really mean? I wouldn't bet on it. An

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I dont care what this bitch said now or then. She can go fuck herself

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[NewYorkDragons80]

I think both sides are idiots.
So you have taken the enlightened ground by not exploring both sides yourself?

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[Heavy]

Does anyone else think that she's just bitter that nobody want to bang her anymore?


Dont you dare talk about missy like that

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[Bergalad]

Oh no, I have my opinion on the whole thing. I just said however that I didn't want to get into that useless discussion in this thread, especially since there are other threads on here that cover it. As I said, NO ONE knows for sure when a fetus becomes a life, so why does it matter what I say here? I don't need the headaches.

[A.J.]

Does anyone else think that she's just bitter that nobody want to bang her anymore?


If that were true, she would have joined NOW instead of the Catholic Church.

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If that were true, she would have joined NOW instead of the Catholic Church.
She's safe from sex at the Catholic Church because she's got a driver's licence and a vag.

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