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Heavy
06-20-2003, 03:53 PM
Countries around the world, clean up your act. From MSNBC.com:

"THE PRESIDENT HAS repeatedly said that all options are on the table, but that is not only not our preference, it is far, far from our minds," Bolton told the British Broadcasting Corp. On Thursday, President Bush also toughened his public stance, saying that the U.S. would "not tolerate" a nuclear weapons program in Iran.
The speedy decline of the U.S. effort to win broader support illustrates an important fact: Iran is viewed quite differently from Iraq or even North Korea by most of the world's nations. In spite of its record as a supporter of terrorist groups and its repressive Islamic leadership, it is more democratic than many states that the United States regards as allies, and its strong oil and energy industries make it an attractive investment opportunity.

DOWNHILL FAST
As recently as a week ago, administration officials were citing support from Russia, the Group of Eight industrialized nations and the United Nations International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) as proof of the progress being made by the U.S.-led effort to curb nuclear proliferation, which Bush has described as "topping the agenda" now that Saddam Hussein has been toppled.
But since then, across the board, actions the U.S. had hoped would lead to a strong condemnation of Iran for refusing to allow open inspections of all suspect nuclear facilities have fallen short.

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A U.S. diplomat in New York, who asked to remain anonymous, said the U.S. had hoped the IAEA would declare Iran in "non-compliance" with the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, to which Tehran is a signatory. Such a move automatically places the issue on the agenda of the U.N. Security Council, which is empowered to impose economic sanctions and take other steps. The U.S. used similar pressure to win an IAEA condemnation of North Korea's nuclear activities. But North Korea's case is more clear: It formally withdrew from the nuclear treaty last year and has since publicly acknowledged its nuclear weapons research.
Toward Iran, however, "there just isn't any support for this, for whatever reason," the U.S. diplomat says. IAEA Director Mohammed ElBaradei, whose agency issued a report critical of Iran for refusing IAEA requests for open inspections at some sites, "still hopes he can convince the Iranians to let his guys in," the diplomat says.

A VARIETY OF OBSTACLES
The U.S. campaign to isolate Iran is running up against multiple troubles, analysts say. The most important, according to a U.N. diplomat, is the continued anger directed at the U.S. for its decision to deal with Iraq unilaterally.
"A lot of member states were willing to sanction some kind of action, but only after nuclear inspections ran their course," the diplomat says. "The fact that no banned weapons have turned up isn't helping. . Some are saying, `Why believe them this time?'"
That attitude, for instance, appears to have persuaded more moderate members of the IAEA board to side with its director, ElBaradei, in seeking to win full cooperation from Iran before doing anything that might be seized upon by the U.S. as an opening for military action.


fact file
Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty

 Member states  Treaty articles  The IAEA

The Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty was established in 1970 with the purpose of stopping the spread of nuclear weapons. Under the treaty, the five nuclear weapons states -- the United States, Russia, China, France and the United Kingdom -- agree to pursue general disarmament. Signatories from non-nuclear weapons states agree to forgo nuclear weapons acquisition or development.
With 187 signatories, the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty is the largest nuclear weapons treaty in the world. But the NPT is not universal. In January 2003 North Korea pulled out of the treaty, saying that the IAEA was "a tool for executing the U.S. hostile policy."

TheMojoPin
06-20-2003, 04:14 PM
Yeah, we better move fast.

They're on the verge of having a new government take over from within the population. I mean, how are we suppsoed to liberate them if THAT happens?!?! The NERVE of some countries...

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HBox
06-20-2003, 04:34 PM
We've had such success in Iran in the past, and the world trusts us so much right now that we can't afford NOT to invade Iran!

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Yerdaddy
06-20-2003, 04:39 PM
Fuck it! Let's just pack up the picnic basket and make it a crusade.

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NewYorkDragons80
06-20-2003, 04:41 PM
There's a better case for going to war with Iran than with Iraq. I was in favor of the Iraq war, but now that we invaded Iraq, I really don't see that possibility for an invasion of Iran. If I were in the administration, I would not rule out an Osirak-style attack on Iran.
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TheMojoPin
06-20-2003, 04:57 PM
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Negative! It didn't go in. It just impacted on the surface...


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Def Dave in SC
06-20-2003, 04:59 PM
Iran better bring a notebook, its about to get SCHOOLED!

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furie
06-20-2003, 05:48 PM
let's just invade, that'll teach them a lesson. and the lesson
is; love us!

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FiveB247
06-20-2003, 07:22 PM
That pact only works if you exclude North Korea, India, Pakistan, Israel amongst others. Can't just pick and choose where you want to apply such treaties. The US will gladly force the removal of WMD from certain nations yet, not say it won't use these weapons on others...themsevles! When you're the world largest arms dealer...it's hypocrtical to talk of peace while throwing missles around. But let's not be unpatriotic...remember 9-11....right?!

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samnyc
06-20-2003, 07:36 PM
Better to leave Iran alone for the moment.

If Bush wants another war so bad why don't we just deal with the Palestinian problem once and for all?

HBox
06-20-2003, 07:38 PM
If Bush wants another war so bad why don't we just deal with the Palestinian problem once and for all?


Because it's not our problem.

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Doomstone
06-20-2003, 07:40 PM
That pact only works if you exclude North Korea, India, Pakistan, Israel amongst others.




In addition, three nuclear powers - India, Israel and Pakistan - have never signed the treaty.




In January 2003 North Korea pulled out of the treaty, saying that the IAEA was "a tool for executing the U.S. hostile policy."


Not that I'm supporting war with Iran.

samnyc
06-21-2003, 06:32 AM
Because it's not our problem.

Well I believe that it should be our problem. Since when don't we stand with our Allies? We've been willing to stand with Taiwan, South Korea, and Kuwait -- but not with one of our best friends, Israel.

DJEvelEd
06-21-2003, 08:13 AM
Iran needs to be taught a lesson



Let's give them lessons in bathing, hygene, and sheepdipping. And make them stop cutting off women's clitorises (clitori?)





And just what do they do with all those clitori? Is there a big pile of them somewhere?

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NewYorkDragons80
06-21-2003, 09:02 AM
In spite of its record as a supporter of terrorist groups and its repressive Islamic leadership, it is more democratic than many states that the United States regards as allies
Total bullshit. The elected officials are figureheads while the Clerics hold the real power. Their current president is a genuine reformer who has been impotent to curb the power of the Ayatollahs.

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TheMojoPin
06-21-2003, 09:11 AM
Total bullshit. The elected officials are figureheads while the Clerics hold the real power. Their current president is a genuine reformer who has been impotent to curb the power of the Ayatollahs.


Look to the people...LOOK TO THE PEOPLE...

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NewYorkDragons80
06-22-2003, 04:30 PM
I don't know what you mean by Look to the People.

Just to let everyone know, the picture I posted was a from taken by an Israeli fighter shortly before the Osirak raid.

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TheMojoPin
06-22-2003, 05:59 PM
There's a huge movement within the youth of the country of discontent and near-rebellion against those that currently hold power and the structure they've set up to run the country. Are we supposed to storm in there and do the job for them, or do we sit back and see what changes take place?

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HBox
06-22-2003, 07:01 PM
I think we need to be very careful. I don't think even the rebels in Iran trust us. If there is a revolt, and they do want our help, I think we need to. But to rush in there now would only, IMO, alienate the rebels and, at worst, actually bring them together with the current government.

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Recyclerz
06-22-2003, 07:09 PM
There's a huge movement within the youth of the country of discontent and near-rebellion against those that currently hold power and the structure they've set up to run the country. Are we supposed to storm in there and do the job for them, or do we sit back and see what changes take place?

Mojo, although I agree with you that a hands-off policy for Iran is advisable, I think I'm far less hopeful that the current student agitation will lead to something positive. I think a Tiananmen Square type outcome is likely because, like in China, the power is Iran is held by a bunch of old bastards who aren't ready to give it up.

Of course it only matters what W. thinks since he rules by a majority of one. I think it would be crazy to start up a new war when we've got three still unresolved, (Afghanistan, terrorism, Iraq) but W does like to throw big dice. And, of course, there is oil in Iran. ;)



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Drudge Jr.
06-22-2003, 09:17 PM
remember on 9/11 opie and anthony were talking about how theonly way we can prevent this from happening again is to nuke the entire middle east and kill all the arabs? they so crazy.

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high fly
07-11-2003, 10:55 AM
Ronald Reagan taught the Iranians a lesson, all right.
He taught them that if you kidnap and torture to death a US CIA station chief, blow up hundreds of US Marines and diplomats, and kidnap US citizens, that the US will reward those actions richly with tons of weapons that it will have flown in, even if you don't produce all of the hostages!

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keithy_19
07-14-2003, 10:18 AM
People, it will be ok. We won't need to go into Iran. The kids over there are angry, since they started watching MTV and drinking pepsi. Their gonna overturn the goverment there.

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