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JerseyRich
06-21-2003, 02:13 PM
I just happened to notice that other the summer months and warmer spring months, black people in the hood like the wear Winter clothing that seems reather inappropriate for the the climate.

Ex:A wool hat and puffy jacket in the middle of 85 degree weather.

What's up wit dat?

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PanterA
06-21-2003, 02:15 PM
Keepin' it reeeeeaaaaal

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IrishAlkey
06-21-2003, 02:16 PM
It makes them look bigger so the whities stay scared of them.

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silera
06-21-2003, 02:24 PM
They can't afford clothes for more than one season of the year.


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IrishAlkey
06-21-2003, 02:26 PM
Racist spic!

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JiZ
06-21-2003, 02:28 PM
Have you ever tried to put a .45 in a shorts pocket? Also, although i'm not black, it was always strange to wear my vest under a t-shirt.

Its is my deep seeded hatred and utter contempt for human life that gets me through each day

IrishAlkey
06-21-2003, 02:35 PM
Have you ever tried to put a .45 in a shorts pocket?


I have a hard enough time keeping my dick in my shorts.

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JiZ
06-21-2003, 02:38 PM
I have a hard enough time keeping my dick in my shorts.



That explains the long shorts:)

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Immigration Dude
06-21-2003, 02:58 PM
Cause they are cool.

This message was edited by Immigration Dude on 6-21-03 @ 7:00 PM

FUNKMAN
06-21-2003, 03:28 PM
cause you never know when the Hawk is gonna come out...

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furie
06-21-2003, 03:35 PM
Because North America is colder than Africa

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BrianTheBailBondsman
06-21-2003, 04:57 PM
FUBU dont make no surf wear

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Dudeman
06-21-2003, 05:31 PM
white people are so scared of people who wear winter clothing in
July... do do do

This message was edited by Dudeman on 6-21-03 @ 9:31 PM

reeshy
06-21-2003, 06:02 PM
To hide the kilo of horse stuck down their Hilfiger undershorts???

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The Chairman
06-21-2003, 06:44 PM
Eh... this post is pretty racist...but I know many who do wear that type of clothing, and especially loose clothing cause it's easier to hide their gatt, being less conspicuous and all.

Also loose/baggy clothing can be an extension of jail/prison wear, where in some joints the way the attire is worn is a sign of affiliation and/or status. This gets carried over on the street.

Extra large sized clothing is, of course, also popular with athletic teams, especially basketball. Many street gangs use specific team clothing/logos to identify their gang affiliations or specific sets, i.e Georgetown Hoyas or Cincinnati Reds.

What still baffles me though is the persistent trend for "urban" types to wear their hats with a totally flat brim (like they iron and starch it at night) and keep the hologram logo sticker underneath the bill.

That is so ghetto I just want to roll up to those homies and curve their bill for them Chairman style.

Course I wouldn't do that without my black Glock clickin point....

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fiestygal
06-21-2003, 07:42 PM
they wanna continue being HOMIES!

"To hide the kilo of horse stuck down their Hilfiger undershorts???"

reeshy, Hilfiger isnt IN anymore- just keeping you abreast of the fashion situations in todays market :)



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reeshy
06-21-2003, 07:46 PM
reeshy, Hilfiger isnt IN anymore- just keeping you abreast of the fashion situations in todays market


It still is in where I work!! And I never wore that crap anyway!! Levi's all the way, Baby!!!

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06-21-2003, 08:42 PM
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Lummox
06-21-2003, 08:59 PM
I thought I was a biggot. But you people...........

BrianTheBailBondsman
06-22-2003, 12:11 AM
Eh... this post is pretty racist...but I know many who do wear that type of clothing, and especially loose clothing cause it's easier to hide their gatt, being less conspicuous and all.

You subscribe to B.E.T. magazine too?

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06-22-2003, 02:46 AM
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FatTony
06-22-2003, 03:08 AM
I just happened to notice that other the summer months and warmer spring months, black people in the hood like the wear Winter clothing that seems reather inappropriate for the the climate.

Ex:A wool hat and puffy jacket in the middle of 85 degree weather.

What's up wit dat?

Answer: I know this for a fact as I have many black friends. The reason for the big bulky clothing is because they think they can hide more things under it without drawing suspicious to themselves. As stupid as that is, I am head of security for a Wholesale Club and anyone who is dressed in a big puffy jacket in the middle of June or July immediately makes me keep an eye on them. Whether they are black, white, spanish or fucking French for that matter.

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stickyfingers
06-22-2003, 08:53 AM
you ever been whipped with just a t-shirt on?



hell, here i come



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samnyc
06-22-2003, 09:07 AM
What about those t-shirts that go down to their knees? Somebody should tell them it looks like they're wearing girls' nightdresses.

The Chairman
06-22-2003, 12:30 PM
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I rest my case....

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ShelleBink
06-22-2003, 12:46 PM
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06-22-2003, 12:56 PM
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The Chairman
06-22-2003, 01:02 PM
You guys are awesome! :)

But just remember...guns were a lot smaller when Artis (and I'll always remember him as a Bull) was playing.

Now Afros....that's another story.

Rock on.

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reeshy
06-22-2003, 01:06 PM
Now Afros....that's another story.


That's right- great place to hide razor blades!!!

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DJEvelEd
06-22-2003, 01:28 PM
That's right- great place to hide razor blades!!!



Yeah but you still have to rathole the coke

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StupidGirlllll
06-22-2003, 02:23 PM
listen U racist white fucks (not u chair) all of u white guys are just mad cause they get the pretty white chicks u wish u could pull, instead of the fat chicks u all got.

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FUNKMAN
06-22-2003, 02:25 PM
redneck cracker bastards...

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reeshy
06-22-2003, 02:25 PM
Stay in your cubicle!!!

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The Chairman
06-22-2003, 02:31 PM
Dude: Not only could you hold a Tech-9 in Artis's and Darnell Hillman's afros...you could hold an M-16.

And you thought they were just for "Picks."

Pun intended (of course).

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Death Metal Moe
06-22-2003, 02:43 PM
listen U racist white fucks


What?

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ShelleBink
06-22-2003, 06:51 PM
all of u white guys are just mad

i just dickslapped you whitey.
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back on topic:

A man in Southern Califonia wearing leather gloves is mighty suspicious, dontcha think?

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Wormwood
06-22-2003, 07:20 PM
U racist white fucks

I just finished up my Senior year there, we get to wear a white hood instead of a mortar board at graduation.

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Death Metal Moe
06-22-2003, 07:29 PM
"So Steve, did you make any plans for after High School?"

"Sure did. I got accepted into the University of Racist White Fucks. I'm glad too, because it was the only school I applied to!"

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HordeKing1
06-22-2003, 11:00 PM
Being neither black nor particularly fashion conscious I'm the wrong person to ask.

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06-22-2003, 11:07 PM
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monsterone
06-28-2003, 09:47 PM
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Steels
06-28-2003, 10:25 PM
African Americans and Latin people (while we are on the subject) have tendencies to be quite gaudy, that is your answer. Excuse my frankness.

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El Mudo
06-29-2003, 12:56 PM
*Where the white women at?*

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06-29-2003, 01:02 PM
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Steels
07-13-2003, 04:04 PM
listen U racist white fucks (not u chair) all of u white guys are just mad cause they get the pretty white chicks u wish u could pull, instead of the fat chicks u all got.

I think it's the other way around honey.

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sr71blackbird
06-09-2004, 03:40 AM
Yesterday it was 90 degrees and I saw guys with puffy coats on in Brooklyn

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06-09-2004, 05:17 AM
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dude, i would love to make a jacket out of him. and maybe a fence out of those teeth.

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JPMNICK
06-09-2004, 05:39 AM
When it gets to 100 they will shed the jackets and just wear the REALLY long white t-shirts that look like they robbed it from the grandparents in Charlie and the Chocolate Famiily.

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saveopieanthony.net
06-09-2004, 10:32 AM
What bothers me is that if a stereotype is correct, you can't say "that's right" because you are automatically a racist. what if you are right? you can't say it?

What about "African Americans" saying that white people can't dance, or they are nerdy and do not take part in stuff...like "breaking the law". I mean I'm white and I can't dance, i'm nerdy and I don't break the law...so they are right..but I'm not going to call them racist.

I can't say CHRIS ROCK is racist for saying that about white people in general...but god forbid if someone white says something like "black people carry guns" or "black people like Popeyes Chicken".

But they do. I don't know. Maybe I should goto kkk.com.

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TheMojoPin
06-09-2004, 10:58 AM
What bothers me is that if a stereotype is correct, you can't say "that's right" because you are automatically a racist.

Depends on the stereotype. Who gives a shit if you say black kids (Well, the guys) tend to wear winter clothing all year 'round? There's a HUGE difference between saying something like that, or going with stereotype, like, "oh, that kid's probably gonna rob me because he's black."

And name me a stereotype for ANY race or religion that's 100% correct and you can say "that's right" about. You're talking like all stereotypes are some "forbidden truth" you're being stopped from preaching.

There are regular stereotypes (Which often are over-generalized, but have some basis in some kind of truth), and then there are negative stereotypes (Which tend to not be true, and make the minority of a group the majority). "Black males tend to be good at basketball"...regular stereotype. "Black people tend to be crackheads." Negative stereotype, and wrong. "White people often can't dance as well as blacks"...regular stereotype. "White people are all racist"...negative and incorrect stereotype.

You seem to be operating under the idea that "all stereotypes are made equal" when they clearly are not. Something like "black people carry guns" isn't even a stereotype...it's just flat-out incorrect. "Young black males are more likely to be carrying guns than other Americans" IS a stereotype based somewhat on reality. See what I'm saying? You're complaining that you can't over-generalize, which is different from stereotypes.

And why bring up Chris Rock? He's probably the most famous black comedian that "picks on" blacks in general just as much as he "picks on" whites.

And why not call racist black comics "racist?" A racist is a racist. Don't skirt around the issue by complaining you "can't" use stupid stereotypes yourself. Call it for what it is and call them out for their shit. But don't assume that somehow what they're doing makes it alright for you to say the same kind of stupid shit THEY say. Take the higher ground and don't be stupid and wrong like them.

Saying black kids wear winter clothes in the summer months...so what? Anyone calling you a racist over that is trying WAY too hard...and is wrong. Don't worry about what "they" have to say.

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newport king
06-09-2004, 05:18 PM
ok since we're having a somewhat intellectual discussion about this, am i the only one that gets kind of offended by the term "whiteboy" when it's used to either describe me or someone else? i've actually gotten into a few arguments with some guys at work over this. i just feel it would be like me calling a black guy a nigger. anyone have any feelings on this?

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Johnny Fontane
06-09-2004, 06:01 PM
anyone have any feelings on this?


I remember the first time I was called cracker, and it just seemed like the stupidest thing in the world. I had never even heard that expression, and then I was like "oh, yeah, cracker, a cracker is white, that's what they mean." It was just too ridiculous to get upset over.

I don't know if anyone read about that actress who was murdered in Inwood a few weeks ago. They said she was listening to an Ani DeFranco CD on her headphones when she was attacked. I can't help but wonder if she was listening to "white people are so scared of black people."

Edit: They didn't catch the murderer, so nobody knows if he was black.

Edit # 2: Now I'm picturing Tyrone Biggums.

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TheMojoPin
06-09-2004, 08:36 PM
Yeah, being identified more by my skin color than who the fuck I am pisses me the fuck off. Nobody gets a free pass for that shit!

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Patches
06-10-2004, 08:38 AM
How this thread made it this long without being locked is beyond me.

Anyway, it can go the other way too. I went to school in Albany, NY (If you don't know where it is, it's just off the Arctic Circle). There were plenty of dumbass white frat dudes (enough to notice anyway) who went to class in cargo shorts, a ratty ass T-Shirt (usually Phish), a pair of Birkenstocks, and a beat up baseball cap (usually the Carolina Gamecocks, and it said COCKS on it- get it COCKS!?!?!? Clever.) in January. So white people can be pretty fucking stupid when it comes to proper attire too.

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A.J.
06-10-2004, 12:54 PM
am i the only one that gets kind of offended by the term "whiteboy" when it's used to either describe me or someone else?

I do. They should say "whiteMAN".

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samnyc
06-11-2004, 04:31 PM
When you see this thread you know summer is coming.

If you boys are lucky I'll find the thread about Fez sweating all summer long. I love it.

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06-11-2004, 05:20 PM
To keep the pigeon shit of their lips.

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sr71blackbird
07-30-2005, 06:18 AM
Last week during the heat wave, my train was going through East New York and I look out the window and theres this black guy walking along with a knee length down coat!!&nbsp; It looked wet, and I realize the guy was probably sweating his ass off, right through the coat.&nbsp; Why the hell would you wear a winter coat in the heat?

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07-30-2005, 11:42 AM
dont ask questions....HOMIE DONT PLAY THAT GAME <br />


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Bulldogcakes
07-30-2005, 03:12 PM
<p>&nbsp;</p><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font>Last
week during the heat wave, my train was going through East New York and
I look out the window and theres this black guy walking along with a
knee length down coat!! It looked wet, and I realize the guy was
probably sweating his ass off, right through the coat. Why the hell
would you wear a winter coat in the heat?[/quote]<p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Did the Cops shoot him? Or is that just in London. Those Brits. So sophisticated. &nbsp;</p><blockquote />

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samnyc
07-30-2005, 03:27 PM
<p>sometimes cuz they have no choice but to carry everything they own on their backs at all times</p>

Bulldogcakes
07-31-2005, 04:03 AM
Its an African tradition to wear heavy clothes in hot weather. <img width="311" height="297" border="0" src="http://photoway.netian.com/images/pyraother/12-man.jpg" /><br />


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Duke
07-31-2005, 01:36 PM
<font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font>Its an African tradition to wear heavy clothes in hot weather. <img width="311" height="297" border="0" src="http://photoway.netian.com/images/pyraother/12-man.jpg" /><br />


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Do Siamese twins have to file seperate tax returns? Or do they file jointly?<br />those look more like KKK uniforms...<br />


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Duke
07-31-2005, 01:40 PM
<font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font>&nbsp;puffy jacket in the middle of 85 degree weather.
What's up wit dat?
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07-31-2005, 02:02 PM
They are portable tanning booths. Browning or blackening booths too, depending on their shade.

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tbonesteak
08-01-2005, 05:49 AM
<p>I want to know where black people find those hats with the brims to the side.&nbsp; I look everywhere but I can only find ones with the brim in the front.&nbsp; </p><p><img src="http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=hat+backwards/v=2/SID=e/TID=I999_73/l=IVI/SIG=12bs6l6i2/EXP=1122990509/*-http%3A//www.hatbackwardz.com/images/gallery/raggreno.jpg" border="0" /></p>

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Knowledged_one
08-01-2005, 06:04 AM
<p>They are the same as other hats, you just turn it to the side </p>

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